AI Hydra 64: Did we just change light testing FOREVER? | BRStv Investigates
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- Don't setup your AI Hydra 64 without watching this video! These are the answers you NEED! We've completely changed our reef tank light testing approach with REAL setting recommendations that are backed by REAL data!
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Randy definitely had his coffee this morning!
Impressive testing profile. That must have taken quite a bit of work.
Probably one of the most thorough tests you guys have done. Well done.
One thing I would like to see how applying this in-depth testing method applies to other lights, perhaps fixtures you have already done in the past. I only say that because I know I'm not the only one out there who have not upgraded or have plans to upgrade to these lights for the foreseeable future.
This video was so much help. I just got a Hydra 64 for my tank so having some extra knowledge like this is great!
This is by far the most useful lighting video I have ever seen!! I can't wait for more of these for additional lights. Not only LED lights but some mixed T5 LED fixtures would be awesome to see as well!!
excited to see this, well done randy, always keeping the reefers informed about the new gadgets
This is awesome thank you for putting this together. I bought this light back in November and haven't gotten it configured to my satisfaction yet. I had some ideas of what to do based on some anecdotal evidence, but without the empirical data provided here I'd just be taking stabs in the dark. This is great. I'm making some adjustments today and will see how it pans out on my SPS dominant tank over the next few months.
Really needed this video! Planning on picking up some Hydras for my next build and learned a bunch, thanks!
Great breakdown! Would love to see this done on the orphek compact. Keep up the good work.
I have 3 64hd on my 225g tank 6ftx30"x24" should I add another light with my retro T5's (4)
This is some serious data & investigation! 🤯🤯 thank you BRS!
Awesome! Useful for any multi puck light.
You guys are amazing and this kind of research is exactly why I purchase everything from you.
Amazing amount of information, thanks guys!
Wow! This was amazing! Thank you! Massively impressive!
Awesome video, thank you!
So efficient your presentation. Brstv is the best.
great video just curious what the depth under the water that the sensor was set at when you took the par readings?
Holysmoke Randy you talk a lot!
Shlt ton of information, love it.
Amazing, I was blind before watching this video, so nice to get facts without moving my bottom 😎thank you Randy thank you Brs, you guys rock! 🤘
Great test but what do you think of the too high UV that burns the LED pad ... unfortunately Aqua illumination did not take this into account ... what alternative is possible without burning UV?
Thanks
I would love to see a review on the 52 HDs and a comparison to the 32 HDs.. I have a 6ft tank and trying to decide between the two
Guys ou really outdid yourselves this time!!!
That is a heck of a job well done!!
Thank you so much for you contribution to the community!
Will you cover also the other lights , eg Hydra 32 and Prime16HD ?
A very common setup is a standard 4' system with 2xHydra 26, like the RSR350/425 Deluxe.
So is it possible to test that type of setup for lps/sps with 2 x Hydra32 ?
I have a IM30L and I’m debating between the 62 or the gen5 which one would you recommend and how high should I mount them because tank is 30 inches long? Please help
This is the best lighting test ever made! :) Thank you so much for all your work. Can you please make a test for GHL Mitras LX 7206? I think they are very good lights but I don't find a test to see how they actually perform.
Can you run these new tests with the XR15/XR30 G4 pros?
This is really amazing. Thanks for the hard work! Are you going to do the mounting height test for the previously tested light like Radion, kessil, etc.?
How suitable is the height of the halogen bulb from the water?
250W SPS
thanks
I am using Hydro 64 2 of them 140 gal RedSea tank what setting would you recommend currently I set to
UV : 124
Violet: 124
Royal: 126
Blue : 130
Green : 20
Red: 20
CW: 50
This is seriously the most amazing lightinbf video ever!!!!!
Randy thank you thank you thank you. I have been looking for a video like this for a year. Please do the same video on Hydra 32's for a 20 x 36 x 20 deep Planet tank. Thanks again for everything you Ryan and the team does.
Yes I second that! Great work and would really like to see the same test for the Hydra 32 ??
3rd vote for the Hydra 32s!!
4th vote for 32’s
Hydra 32 test please! 4foot tank
Sps
Switch color spectrum do you use (kelvin)
Mvg w
This is simply great, now you need to re-test all the lights :)
Outstanding!
How many would you suggest for 60 long×24 wide ×39 high?
Would this testing hold relatively true for Hydra 52’s?
Do really would need 2 of these over a 48” long 33 gallon long tank.
Will the brackets fit that? Need a bracket than not only go up and down but should be able to mount side to side. Space along the back of tank can affect where lights get mounted.
Probably overkill on that small of a tank IMO. Perhaps a couple of Hydra 32s instead (so you could space them out accordingly). It will be interesting to see how they perform in upcoming testing.
As always great video!! Can we expect a similar video for the Kessil A360x's? Would be great.
Will 2 hydra 26 be strong enough for a 90 gallon
Awesome info exactly what we all need. I’d like to see this test done on the Kessil A360X. 🙏🏽
In the plans
Would some of these work good for the AI Primes ? I plan to have a butt load of them becauee i can easily and cheaper just keep adding and adding
Sorry that was kinda a stupid question as far as the spacing and all goes
I am currently running two units on my 48x24x24 120g. The tank is LPS dominated with the exception of my monti cap& a maxima clam. I wanted to know if I would be ok to run the recommended LPS settings from the video.or should I go with something in between the recommended LPS & SPS settings.
Monti caps do pretty well in LPS level light intensities. You may want a little more light on the clam. I typically shoot for about 200-250 par for clams. If the clam is on your sand bed, you may have to play around with the settings a little to achieve the intensity at the sand bed that you're looking for.
This is why I am such a fan of Kessil..Their spectrums with grow corals no matter what you choose..No guessing
hello, great video congratulations. a question, if i had a 4ft (120cm) aquarium and two horizontal hydra 64 at 14 inches left and right and 12 inches in height, what power spectrum should i use for sps? unfortunately for the powers of the channels for sps in the video there is only on the 60 gallon cube and for the 4 feet you have given the powers for 3 perpendicular hydras. thank you
The 60 cube is 2 feet long, so if you have two fixtures over a 4 foot long tank, the settings should be very similar.
in the central part where the two light beams of the two hydra meet, don't I risk having too many par with the settings as high as the cube?
@BRSTV What happens if you have glass lids? Does the spectrum need to be adjusted? I've heard the iron in the glass may reduce UV light from getting through easily
We've not done any tests on this as glass lids aren't very popular in the hobby these days. I wouldn't expect to have to adjust the spectrum much, if at all. You'll likely want to up the intensity a little bit, however.
how many hours the light works?
Randy, considering your analysis, what should be the duration for the photo period ? Maybe you could complement you next videos with the DLI calculation.....
In most cases, a photo period of 10-12 hours is what most reefers would consider ideal.
Hi. Do you have AB plus setting for Hydra 32? Or it is still the same with 26?
Not yet, but we hope to have these tested in a similar format over the next few months. ;)
Thanks for your information,I have RS lighting on my tank..I just moved both lights further apart for 9.5" centers.
Q:You've shown how to get more even and effective PAR levels..What are the lighting failures we need to be more aware of?
Thanks! I'd say that the most universal "fail" amongst all LED lighting is not testing the PAR output and making adjustments based on PAR data. Personally I can't think of one reef tank light in particular that was completely detrimental/ useless to corals and coral growth (obviously some are better than others), however having them tuned improperly would likely be my best guess as to why a light would have been the lead issue. This not only applies to having too much light, but also not having enough...although the latter would likely have more of an impact to coral health/survival over a longer period of time versus too much light. Long story short, PAR meter for the win! -Randy
@@BRStv ,You got to address this more in the future don't leave it alone,I mean we learn from mistakes so show us more "fails",what went wrong and the tell tale signs that led up to it,if any..Thanks,Cee.
Damn! I have stupid Kessil 360s. This would be nice info to have for them. 😉
I saw some discrepancy between using the 420 sensor and the meter, Please consider doing a video on using the versions of meters / sensors and software. BTW __HIGH HYDRA!
can you share the api file for the light settings n schedule for a mixed reef
Anyone from personal experience prefer these over the Kessil a360x Tuna? Been looking into these
Wow this is next level content.
For the 3 fixtures for the 120 SPS tank....is that assuming all fixtures are at 100% output as well?
Actually, no. You can see those settings at the 21:23 minute mark.
I am thinking of upgrading my tank - would 2 units be enough for a 72" x24 x 25 size tank? Would 3 be overkill?
These lights do best over a footprint of 24" x 24", so three would be best for the sake of coverage. If you have an SPS dominant system, this is a great option. If you're an LPS reef keeper, then consider three of the smaller Hydra 32's instead.
www.bulkreefsupply.com/hydra-32-hd-led-reef-light-black-aqua-illumination.html
I’d also like to know the life expectancy of the lights. Great video and explanation!
LEDs are typically 10 years
I don't think anyone has a legit answer to that on any light. by the time that is agreed on new models are out. LED's last a long time but is mostly related to the quality of the cooling.
Great test guys. Like the new format. Can you do one on the Orphek product line?
We just added a bunch more of these to the video calendar, so brace yourself for weeks of light testing! Lol.
Yessss!!
Hi BRS, according to Red Sea, the focus should not be on PAR but on PUR. Because PAR can be increased by wavelengths that are not utilized by corals. Can you compare a light fixture measuring both PAR and PUR? Or determine the ratio to estimate the PUR from PAR?
Great job on the test btw! AI can put the results in the manual 😁
While that is an accurate statement there are a slew of reasons why that approach is not helpful to reefers. In the end more marketing than help, check out this video th-cam.com/video/DMW7rc-aFgs/w-d-xo.html
Will these settings apply to the Hydra 32 as well? Will you guys be testing and making a video for the 32 specifically? Thanks for your time and help with these videos! And responses!
It would be different because the 32's only have two pucks vs. 4 pucks on the 64's.
we will get to the 32's but it might be a month or two
@@BRStv please hurry :) i want to start adding corals!
Bulk Reef Supply awesome!! Thanks!!
Unrelated question but are instant ocean sea salt and reef crystals really that different for parameters? Like would hardy corals be fine with the regular instant ocean sea salt?
Here ya go :) th-cam.com/video/lWYQee8mTAY/w-d-xo.html
Bulk Reef Supply, thank you. I learned a lot of from the video!
How about hydra 32? Any data for a 120gallon tank if use 4 unit?
Coming soon :)
Love all the data. Must have taken quite some time to do all that.
Why do you test all the way to the edge of the 24 or 48 inch space? No one is putting coral out that close to the glass. If you dropped the outer ring it might shift your recommendations for spacing and thus settings to hit various par values.
Will it shorten bulb life running the LEDs above 100% ?
took weeks just to get the data and approach right :) Bar was high this time!
This kind of videos is realy where randy(hope I spelled it right) shines!
I tried the settings for the prime 16HD; same ratio 38% white, 15% red/green.. rest 100%, but it is simply way too blue for my taste.. in the video I totally miss the color adjustment to match personal preferance when white is being increased (in my case to 100%) and I assume red/green can be tuned down? by how much? Or does the light/royal blue channel also need to be modified a bit.. moreover.. how does that impact PAR? Sorry I feel this video could have been a bit more complete for the AI fixtures..
Add in more white to the eye and check with a par meter rental :)
any recommendations for similar SPS lighting for a 300G DD tank? 6 feet long, 3 feet wide
Given that the tank is 3' wide, you're probably going to be best off with two rows of LEDs, one row in the front, the other in the back. This will give you the best possible coverage over that 3' width.
@@BRStv so 2 units every 24" of lateral tank length for a 36" wide tank? (6 total?)
Can you guys test the maxspect razor x 100 light??????????????
For a 3 feet red sea max 250 using a single hydra 64 for mixed tank, what setting recommend?
Unfortunately, we didn't test this light out on a 3 foot tank. If you haven't already purchased the Hydra 64, consider using two smaller Hydra 32's instead. I think you may be disappointed in the coverage with a 64 over a 3 foot long tank and using the two smaller lights instead would let you space them out more evenly over the tank's length.
@@BRStv thank thats what I though xD
Do these settings apply to Hydra 32's?
It's likely not a direct 1-for-1, but until we get to other light types this info could help get you in the ballpark. Of course we can't stress enough how important it would be to test the PAR.
So a QUICK ANSWER OF THE SPACING ON A 43,3 INCH TANK WHAT WOULD BE BEST AND HIGHT WITH HYDRA 32 HD
@@BRStv il mio acquario e ' un 100x50x60 full sps posso mettere le lampade 2 x hydra 64 hd verticale ? Con bianchi a 50 , uv ,blu,royal blue 130 rossi verdi a 20 ..
Wow. Nicely done. That’s very diligent and much appreciated research.
Curious, on the settings portion....Wouldn’t it be helpful to also mention values for both “color intensity” and overall “lighting intensity”? Or is it assumed that overall intensity is 100%?
Since the Hydra 64 doesn't have a separate intensity slider, you'll have to take the BRS recommended spectrum settings and reduce all channels by the same percentage.
I see. Ok Thanks. I’m still using Vegas and use ‘coral acclimation’ mode to tune overall intensity
It’s a bit confusing seeing values over 100% for colors. But I think I’ve managed to get as close to AB+ as possible. It’s the overall intensity that I’m looking to dial-in for my setup.
Maybe Santa will help with upgrades soon;)
Thanks for all and Happy Holidays!
Ok. Who here is also looking for Thomas’ first video on BRS ? Just me ? 😉. Can’t wait !
I need this on AI Prime HD
I would have liked to see the test run for mixed reef. SPS,LPS,CLAMS
Mixed reef means areas of lower PAR for LPS and areas of high PAR for SPS. This is more about a specific aquascape than taking a grid of readings like this. The answer is rent a par meter and get it right the first time :)
Any chance you will do this with XR30’s?
will do
I understand too much light can strip coral color. However, is there a point too much light can stunt their growth before bleaching?
yes, bleaching means lethal PAR there is a big gap between ideal and lethal. Dana R's research suggests in the ocean most of the active photosynthesis is in the morning and afternoon. Much the the day the coral is just protecting itself from the peak PAR.
I have Orbit model 5103 and can't afford this kind of lighting. Am I wasting my time trying to create a reef?
It's like anything. A Toyota gets you to work and home. A Lexus does it more comfortably :) There are a ton of lighting options that work for LPS and mixed tanks which is akin to the task of driving to work and back. The more challenging species like SPS can benefit from more advanced approaches. Particularly when they get large and densely packed together. Some are also easier to use or look better in the tank.
I like the countdown - is that new?
Randy looks crazy in the first few seconds
id love to see this with the other hydra model
will do
Hello guys, subscriber and costumer of BRS. I just heard you guys are getting Thomas from Natural Aquaria. Good move... please consider bringing in Brian as well, need editing and film support... it’s hard not to see them
together, remember that Thomas was not alone when he pull all those subscribes for BigAls and Natural Aquaria. Take this from a loyal costumer... and I DON’T HAVE A REEF TANK.... wink wink catch my drift.
I asked Brian to join us but he had already got a job in a totally different industry :( Never know what the future holds.
Hi can i use one AI Hydra 64 on redsea 250 ?
Yes, but it's not the best choice for that particular tank. Since the Reefer 250 is about 3 feet long, you'll be much better off using two smaller fixtures instead of one larger one. AI also makes a Hydra 32, so if you like the Hydra 64, you might consider using two of the 32s on the Reefer 250 instead.
www.bulkreefsupply.com/hydra-32-hd-led-reef-light-black-aqua-illumination.html
So if you had a 6' tank? and if it's a BF? then how many AIs?
Depends on what you have in your tank..... I use 2 AI HYDRA 52s on my 4ft 90gal.... SPS? LPS? Mixed?
I'd say for LSP one every 2 feet and for sps one every 18"
@@BRStv and if the tank is 6' x 3' wide?
Any chance in the near future could a similar video for the AI Prime 16HD be in the works, that would be awesome!
We can't promise when, but the Prime 16 is on our video ideas board as something that we'd like to do in the future.
@@BRStv Great to hear, thanks for the reply. Your videos are awesome, and always very informative.
What about a standard 120g with a center brace
You might try turning the center light sideways and test with a PAR meter to see how that impacted the center PAR.
I'd smoke a bowl with you Randy :P
What would this hobby be without brs?
Moon channel is a warm white. Definitely run at 100% (as only low watt overall)
Because ya need to listen!! This is next level info. He's shouting from the mountain top. Lol
Saint Nova okay weirdo. Stop taking drugs
@@nhall00195 Guess like me hes been sniffing way too much CA glue. Lol. At one point it seemed that he ran out if breath. Gotta love his intensity. Lol
Maxspect Razor next! 😀
in the plans
Lol i feel like Randy is yelling 😆
Lack of lapel microphone
I got really excited about this one (and overcoming a hanging cold). LOL
Wheres Thomas??
Can you do an investigation for mixed reef in 5ft by 2 by 2ft tank using hydra 32!
We didn't test a 5 foot long tank, but you can definitely draw some conclusions from Randy's Hydra 32 setup video. One of the test tanks is pretty close to yours at 4' x 2' x 2'.
th-cam.com/video/fQ_1yQiNIdc/w-d-xo.html
@@BRStv yes!!I do find appropriate information in that video.yet can you give me the no of hydra 32 I needed for 5ft tank based on your experience?
@@vaibhavsinghtak Given your tank dimensions, I would suggest three for a mixed reef, or 4 or more for a tank heavier on the SPS side of things.
@@BRStv thank you 😀Bulk reef supply
Now do the Mitras LX7
setup for 24" x 12" x 20" tank
Still want a review of this LED!
we will get Thomas on it :)
Still processing... woah
I find one major flaw to all you light and par meter measurements. You never state the height of the frag tray plus the height of the actual sensor which probably sits on average 1 to 2 inches higher than the frag tray you are using. I think your videos should state this information and even include several different test for different average heights of frag trays. For example averages of 4", 6", 8" plus or minus the sensor height.
We absolutely could be more clear on how our light testing rig is setup, but basically when we say that we are taking measurements at 6", 12" and 18" inches underwater, those are the depths at which the top of our three LiCor sensors are placed across the grid testing area. :)
Why not test to deeper tank depth. My tank is 28 inches deep so your data means little to me. I would think most have tanks deeper than 18 inches.
Sensors are 18" deep in a 24" inch deep tank. We don't go all the way to the bottom because the tops of most corals are a few inches off the bottom but also because the sensors have cords that prevent going deeper.
Probably because if they had to do a test for every tank size it would take them months to please everyone. And I am not so sure about whether or not most have tank sizes above 18 inches. I personally have two tanks in my house that are under that number and 1 that is over. That 1 that is over is still not 28 inches. Ofcourse, that is just in my house.
Theses lights are $600+
So if you have a 55-75 or bigger tank you need multiple lights that means you need to take a loan out for you hobby
I thought LED was supposed to be more economic
I see they went up $$$ on the PAR Meter rentals. 👎🏼😾
After return shipping, CC fees, labor, time in transit, ware and tear, and calibration it was losing money. We don't really want to turn it to a major profit stream but the finance department doesn't like losing money :)
I have a 5 foot tank lol