This is very accurate, I was playing Fell Seal and got stuck for a literal hour trying to do something which had a 50% chance. I then proceeded to miss 4 70% chances in a row not long after.
It doesn't help that people are just bad at estimating chance to begin with--over-estimating the effect of high chances and underestimating the likelihood of low chances. And then the Gambler's Fallacy kicks in--the belief that if you get an unlikely losing streak, you'll be more likely to get something that breaks the streak. After all, after flipping tails 8 times in a row, what are the odds of a 9th tails? (50%, because it's a coinflip. Reality does not care what your win/loss streak looks like.) You can mitigate this as a game designer with a bunch of different technique, most of which revolve around silently tweaking the dice rolls behind the scenes to make the results feel more fair. For example, some of the more recent Fire Emblem games silently roll to-hit twice on each attack, picking the more favorable result. A lot of games these days adjust the chance of success each time a roll fails, to match what players expect from a 'fair' roll. You could also eschew randomness entirely for some mechanics, like how Fallout 4's VATS lets you do a critical hit when a meter is filled up instead of it being random.
@@TehNoobiness I sometimes wonder if devs tweaking things in peoples favour actually makes people worse at understandings odds lol. People always talk about how the rng in the xcom franchise is awful, that the game is lying, that a 99% chance to hit is more like a 50% chance to hit. And they're right, the game does lie... It lies in your favour, the odds to hit is always *at minimum* what the game will tell you, but when playing on lower difficulties, the game will do things like give bonuses to hit for each miss the player gets, along with a constant flat bonus to hit on the very low difficulty settings. So a franchise that is *notorious* for having odds that people think are much worse than what the game says, in reality, is actually lying to the player by giving them *better* odds than what it says.
Alright. So, you used pure tomfoolery to beat up 5 magic wielding aliens that could turn you into mere dust, just because they thought it would be funny.
I wouldn’t say “worse.” You have to remember that a Dizzy Dial takes up an entire item slot, a slot that can be used to hold something potentially more useful. Tease just costs some FP. One isn’t objectively better than the other. Would you rather sacrifice an item slot or FP?
@@imjustalittleqwertyI see where you're coming from talking about opportunity cost, but the choice of "do I sacrifice one item slot" versus "do I use this partner with very little upside" is an easy decision to me.
@@nicjoy4407you're forgetting the other side of the coin where you have to pick her from other 5 partners at the endgame wich only one can be out at that time.
@@massgunner4152 No I did not miss that, that was my point (although I didn't make it that clear). Sacrificing one of 20 item slots is nothing compared to choosing a partner with very little going for her.
It is funny that this move is effectively Dizzy Shell from PM64, but the change in status changed it from one of the best partner moves to one of the worst.
@yoshiwoollyworld Dizzy in PM64 used to outright make the enemy unable to act for a few turns, instead of merely making it so they have a chance to miss.
Honestly, it's more what a status is ... can change a large amount. And heck, even stun effects, if they don't actually work as stun can be bad. If I remember my Diablo 2 correctly, there is a stun status that just doesn't work on players.
@@Gota0014we have… Sleep Dizzy Paralysis Stopped They did all the same thing pretty much the one key difference was knowing which enemies where more susceptible To the specific effect. Piranha plants for example slept a lot in sm64 so the easiest move of the list shown was sleep. Fuzzies where more susceptible to dizzy because come, on look at them. If I remember correctly stopped was the universal “stopper”
The most unbelievable part about this video wasn’t that tease actually beat RNG and did something amazing. It’s that Koop would actually make it to floor 99 in such a terrible condition with no items, no partners, no health, and no Star power 😂
I would say this wasn't a serious run but getting all your partners to 0 HP would require some ungodly bad luck (which would justify why Tease got such good RNG)
The amount of luck on this one... That's absolutely wild. The Paper gods smiled upon you today, you have someone looking out for you! Or really wanting to see you die to Bonetail.
@@zaneheaston8254He's a guy who has done a lot of brutal softlock challenge videos in Pokémon that are technically possible to escape but are so obnoxious that no sane person would do so. Very relaxing to listen to.
Some might call Mowz the worst partner, but no one understands that she's actually the best. (Disclaimer: I am incredibly biased, she was my childhood crush.)
The fact that this game is coming back next year, man the nostalgia is powerful on this one. Hope all those little details remain on the final product!
Stalling the inevitable, really, with such a poor situation to begin with, considering the rest of the pit to come. Maybe if you had gotten a level up and a good item drop - might've really been clutch then. Still, insane luck on this fight! Fun to watch bad RNG based moves actually pay off once in a while.
Bro. Trust me when I say, having 5 max HP and putting the rest into FP and BP is beyond overpowered. Put all your BP into Close call, last stand, power rush and mega rush, and some stat boosters and see how much date you can unleash. I finished the entire game without having more than 10 HP and once i unlocked Chet Rippo I immediatelydowngraded my health. I was near invincible. Just be sure to carry a full stock of Life shrooms.
Am I the only one who thinks that Mrs. Mowz is one of the more useful partners? Before you call me a simp, just listen 1. Mrs. Mows has one of the two partner attacks which can pierce defence, unless you count Gale Force. I know, She’ll Slam does much more damage to all enemies while Gale Force has a chance to instakill enemies, but both of those require a lot of fp, unlike Love Slap which need no fp, so if an enemy has high defence, you can use Love Slap as much as you need. 2. Mrs. Mowz also has an attack that can get you items for free with Kiss Thief, and sometimes, that can save you from certain doom. I never had that happen to me, but I did get an ultra mushroom and an attack up P in the Pit of 100 Trials like that. 3. If you get somewhat lucky, Tease can be absolutely BROKEN, as demonstrated in the video. He had extremely low hp and fp, no sp, no items, and no partners except Mrs. Mowz, and still won because of Tease. 4. Mrs. Mowz has the only attack in the game that can directly heal Mario. Enough said. 5. If you are a perfectionist like me, you can use Mrs. Mowz to point you towards and item, including star pieces and badges.
1. Lip Lock, Gulp, Shell Slam, Fiery Jinx all pierce defense, not to mention many of Mario's attacks, all of which have much greater range than Mowz's Love Slap which can only target the front grounded enemy.
I agree, that little mouse was my save and grace in a lot of my battles back in the day. She is, and will always be my favorite partner. And I can't wait to do it all over again in the remake.☺️
There's a strat where you convert all of your health into badge points and then use all the defensive badges and you're basicly immortal with 5 health.
Is ms Mowz the worst partner? Didn't her attack ignore defense? I think I found that at least situationally useful. Been a while since i played though. Really excited for the remake
@@raid--er4083 I beat it once or twice but challenges tend to ruin a lot of the fun for me in some games for whatever reason. I was honestly kind of disappointed that there wasn't some sort of secret storyline or something with it, but gamecube games and nintendo for that matter aren't known for the depth of the story
@@nathanielbass771the Pit does have a secret storyline, in its own way. Grifty, the guy you can talk to on top of Merlin's roof, tells you about the three dragon siblings and how they were pets of the Shadow Queen; Gloomtail personally guarded the SQ and Bonetail + The Pit Of 100 Trials was a punishment she would sentence people to.
Ms. Mowz the worst partner? Nah, with her slap bypassing defense, she's actually one of the more useful ones. I'd say the Yoshi Kid is the worst, given his weak attack strength.
I beat Bonetail with Mz. Mowz back in the day because all of my other partners were KOed and I had no healing items, FP, or star power. Her armor piercing slap was the only reason I could do any damage.
One thing i miss about the original that the remake doesnt have is the sound effects especially the audience's and the hp and fp sounds when you heal them
In my eyes clock out was the better option because then you could spam appeal to get your SP back then use sweet treat and repeat (this all depends on your audience size tho)
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I appreciate the subtle nuance of going through every option first to show how just out of everything you were
A good illustration of how "chance" based moves always feel bad to use in an RPG even though they can be incredibly OP with a good streak of luck.
This is very accurate, I was playing Fell Seal and got stuck for a literal hour trying to do something which had a 50% chance. I then proceeded to miss 4 70% chances in a row not long after.
If i'm gonna lose it'll be on my own terms damnit
bewitching grace being the optimal way to level grind...and also self nuke your party in octopath
It doesn't help that people are just bad at estimating chance to begin with--over-estimating the effect of high chances and underestimating the likelihood of low chances. And then the Gambler's Fallacy kicks in--the belief that if you get an unlikely losing streak, you'll be more likely to get something that breaks the streak. After all, after flipping tails 8 times in a row, what are the odds of a 9th tails?
(50%, because it's a coinflip. Reality does not care what your win/loss streak looks like.)
You can mitigate this as a game designer with a bunch of different technique, most of which revolve around silently tweaking the dice rolls behind the scenes to make the results feel more fair. For example, some of the more recent Fire Emblem games silently roll to-hit twice on each attack, picking the more favorable result. A lot of games these days adjust the chance of success each time a roll fails, to match what players expect from a 'fair' roll. You could also eschew randomness entirely for some mechanics, like how Fallout 4's VATS lets you do a critical hit when a meter is filled up instead of it being random.
@@TehNoobiness I sometimes wonder if devs tweaking things in peoples favour actually makes people worse at understandings odds lol. People always talk about how the rng in the xcom franchise is awful, that the game is lying, that a 99% chance to hit is more like a 50% chance to hit. And they're right, the game does lie...
It lies in your favour, the odds to hit is always *at minimum* what the game will tell you, but when playing on lower difficulties, the game will do things like give bonuses to hit for each miss the player gets, along with a constant flat bonus to hit on the very low difficulty settings. So a franchise that is *notorious* for having odds that people think are much worse than what the game says, in reality, is actually lying to the player by giving them *better* odds than what it says.
Alright. So, you used pure tomfoolery to beat up 5 magic wielding aliens that could turn you into mere dust, just because they thought it would be funny.
God really decided that those 5 aliens specifically needed to DIE.
When it’s me, we call it Todd-foolery.
@@ChrisHinners008they ain’t from Mario earth so of course he wanted em gone
What in the Bugs Bunny just happened.
The devs really gave the last partner in the game a move that is worse then a 10 coin item.
I mean technically you can get her before Bobbery, but she IS still listed as the final partner afterwards, so... yeah.
I wouldn’t say “worse.” You have to remember that a Dizzy Dial takes up an entire item slot, a slot that can be used to hold something potentially more useful. Tease just costs some FP. One isn’t objectively better than the other. Would you rather sacrifice an item slot or FP?
@@imjustalittleqwertyI see where you're coming from talking about opportunity cost, but the choice of "do I sacrifice one item slot" versus "do I use this partner with very little upside" is an easy decision to me.
@@nicjoy4407you're forgetting the other side of the coin where you have to pick her from other 5 partners at the endgame wich only one can be out at that time.
@@massgunner4152 No I did not miss that, that was my point (although I didn't make it that clear). Sacrificing one of 20 item slots is nothing compared to choosing a partner with very little going for her.
It is funny that this move is effectively Dizzy Shell from PM64, but the change in status changed it from one of the best partner moves to one of the worst.
@yoshiwoollyworld Dizzy in PM64 used to outright make the enemy unable to act for a few turns, instead of merely making it so they have a chance to miss.
@@kingdyste5289i think the change is understandable. Dizzy Shell is just too op.
Honestly, it's more what a status is ... can change a large amount.
And heck, even stun effects, if they don't actually work as stun can be bad.
If I remember my Diablo 2 correctly, there is a stun status that just doesn't work on players.
@@areaxisthegurkha Statuses in general were pretty OP in PM64 but then most of them were just different flavors of "they can't move for a few turns"
@@Gota0014we have…
Sleep
Dizzy
Paralysis
Stopped
They did all the same thing pretty much the one key difference was knowing which enemies where more susceptible
To the specific effect. Piranha plants for example slept a lot in sm64 so the easiest move of the list shown was sleep. Fuzzies where more susceptible to dizzy because come, on look at them. If I remember correctly stopped was the universal “stopper”
I don't regret having read the description only after the fight had ended.
Somehow, this was truly breathtaking. Seriously.
Somehow I suspected that, and it was still hilarious to read.
Watch the video posted after this…
The most unbelievable part about this video wasn’t that tease actually beat RNG and did something amazing. It’s that Koop would actually make it to floor 99 in such a terrible condition with no items, no partners, no health, and no Star power 😂
I was thinking, how do you even get all of your partners to 0 hp like that😆
I would say this wasn't a serious run but getting all your partners to 0 HP would require some ungodly bad luck (which would justify why Tease got such good RNG)
It was a pity flower challenge run
@@MiniLuigiMighty5 Ungodly bad luck does not justify really good luck, unfortunately not how probability works
duh lmao@@NickKrishnan
This demonstration really is such a tease.
The amount of luck on this one... That's absolutely wild. The Paper gods smiled upon you today, you have someone looking out for you!
Or really wanting to see you die to Bonetail.
The second one sounds more like RNJesus to me.
Hopefully she doesn’t take off her Persona 5 glasses…
I love how you need to do a Pikasprey Yellow softlock setup in order to make mouse actually useful
A what
thanks for reminding me about his videos. I haven't watched him in months.
YOU'RE NOT WRONG
@@zaneheaston8254He's a guy who has done a lot of brutal softlock challenge videos in Pokémon that are technically possible to escape but are so obnoxious that no sane person would do so. Very relaxing to listen to.
it's hardly a softlock set-up considering he can just die and return to the last save point
Dude really said "Call an ambulance. But not for me." With earth tremor.
Some might call Mowz the worst partner, but no one understands that she's actually the best.
(Disclaimer: I am incredibly biased, she was my childhood crush.)
You had a crush on a rat?
@@krocodile55 Yea
@@mropti6350 understandable.
Glad I'm not the only one.
Btw unrelated, but my childhood crush was Dora.
That Sweet Treat shot at 1:09 was incredible.
this video here is why status spells don't work throughout 90% of the final fantasy series.
"But not for me"
Awesome comeback, that fight was boss tier.
"Time for bonetail!"
Ohhhh nooooooooo
If only Merlee doubled the Star Points 😅
On to die to bonetail unless you superguard absolutely everything lol
The bite attack can’t be guarded, so you can’t superguard that one.
@@tylermercado1445 Didn't know that probably because I'm not good at superguarding bosses
The fact that this game is coming back next year, man the nostalgia is powerful on this one. Hope all those little details remain on the final product!
That's the mark of good game design, when something that generally sucks is still useful
Tbf tease is nice against flying enemies, who have a much higher vulnerability vs dizzy
The chances are wtf, those are the chances
That snipe at 1:07 was so clean
That was a very stressful watch.
You better put respect on Ms. Mowz's name. She came in clutch right when she needed to.
Stalling the inevitable, really, with such a poor situation to begin with, considering the rest of the pit to come. Maybe if you had gotten a level up and a good item drop - might've really been clutch then.
Still, insane luck on this fight! Fun to watch bad RNG based moves actually pay off once in a while.
Do I have news for you! But maybe instead of saying it, I should simply direct you to the video uploaded right after this.
I actually fist pumped when you hit the perfect earth tremor. I didn't think a random 100 trials level would have me this invested ahahaha.
4:15 Boosting defense even though both Fire Drive and Love Slap pierce defense.
Genius
Bro really said "Lucky"
Honestly, I thought you were going to steal the stopwatch and then use it with Mario to win
I swear, no matter how good you get at sweet treat, I ALWAYS have to hit a poison shroom
Everyone Has A Role!
I wished Tease was Guaranteed On flying enemies instead of being high chance
This should have "You Say Run" over it because that was an amazing comeback.
Bro. Trust me when I say, having 5 max HP and putting the rest into FP and BP is beyond overpowered. Put all your BP into Close call, last stand, power rush and mega rush, and some stat boosters and see how much date you can unleash. I finished the entire game without having more than 10 HP and once i unlocked Chet Rippo I immediatelydowngraded my health. I was near invincible. Just be sure to carry a full stock of Life shrooms.
Trust me, I know. But doing that is so OP it kills all the fun in the game
@@Koopatrol true lol. But the sheer power is just so much fun to have
And then Koops got fkd by Bonetail turn 1 cause he didn't level up from that fight lmao
Mario used all of his plot armor for that one
I think you just showed why Ms. Mowz is a GREAT partner.
I would love to see you follow up this video with a less than 2-minute-long fight of Bonetail biting you twice in a row for the funnies.
Hey phantom a
Fancy seeing you here.
Also what was good about her is that her regular move is armor piercing so his defense up didn't make a difference.
God bless everyone.
I love how after reading “Time to tease Bonetail” YT recommends me a SimpleFlips Video with “It’s Bonin’ Time!” In the thumbnail
Am I the only one who thinks that Mrs. Mowz is one of the more useful partners? Before you call me a simp, just listen
1. Mrs. Mows has one of the two partner attacks which can pierce defence, unless you count Gale Force. I know, She’ll Slam does much more damage to all enemies while Gale Force has a chance to instakill enemies, but both of those require a lot of fp, unlike Love Slap which need no fp, so if an enemy has high defence, you can use Love Slap as much as you need.
2. Mrs. Mowz also has an attack that can get you items for free with Kiss Thief, and sometimes, that can save you from certain doom. I never had that happen to me, but I did get an ultra mushroom and an attack up P in the Pit of 100 Trials like that.
3. If you get somewhat lucky, Tease can be absolutely BROKEN, as demonstrated in the video. He had extremely low hp and fp, no sp, no items, and no partners except Mrs. Mowz, and still won because of Tease.
4. Mrs. Mowz has the only attack in the game that can directly heal Mario. Enough said.
5. If you are a perfectionist like me, you can use Mrs. Mowz to point you towards and item, including star pieces and badges.
1. Lip Lock, Gulp, Shell Slam, Fiery Jinx all pierce defense, not to mention many of Mario's attacks, all of which have much greater range than Mowz's Love Slap which can only target the front grounded enemy.
I used her a lot in the remake. Not the most but maybe like 3rd. I wasn’t sure why people seemed to dislike her. Much better than expected.
Kind of surprised he didn't open that battle with a ultra hammer
Super/Ultra Hammer knockback don't work on Wizzerds (although a standard First Strike would have helped, yes).
@@ElTaitronAnimHe would’ve only dealt 1 damage to the front elite wizard with a normal hammer attack. Jump wouldn’t have dealt any damage.
Excuse me, the WORST partner?
Unnaceptable. Ms Mowz is actually the BEST partner. I'd like to see anyone have more charm than her.
Exactly, also bypassing defense is pretty useful.
I agree, that little mouse was my save and grace in a lot of my battles back in the day. She is, and will always be my favorite partner. And I can't wait to do it all over again in the remake.☺️
May the RNG gods forever decide in your favor.
Worst partner is harsh, if she had a jump attack maybe thats what people find missing but honestly her love slap hits hard enough imo
The real question is HOW THE HELL DID YOU EVEN GET TO FLOOR 99?????
There's a strat where you convert all of your health into badge points and then use all the defensive badges and you're basicly immortal with 5 health.
@@BMRWilliamsyes but he says this run was using only the badges found in the pit
@@abra_escapednot pit badges, only pitty badges.
Fire Drive isn’t a Pity badge
@@shirothefish9688 I saw zap tap, pity flower, fire drive, double dip, and lucky day, which are all found in the pit itself
When the optional mission clutches
Mowz's defense ignore is pretty much needed for TPo100T
Legends say that he's still teasing Bonetail
never underestimate the powerhouse that is Ms. Mouz
Wow you sure were “Pretty lucky”
Just Mario activating Ultra Instinct.
“And now off to go tease bonetail” 😂😭
God tier roleplaying from Koop once again
1:19 Ms.Mowz fans taking shots at the original poster for calling her the "worst" partner.😂
As awesome as this save was, those Wizzards are hilariously weak to Flurrie's Gale Force.
Too bad all his partners except Mowz were dead.
Mowz really got tired of everyone calling her the worst party member, she went rage mode.
Ms Mowz was about to die and put out the uno reverse card for mario and her on death.
Good luck with Bonetail…
This is why superguarding is a thing.
Extremely rare footage of Ms. Mowz being useful
Obviously he could appeal, run, appeal, run, etc
Then proceeds to get clapped by Bonetail.
Ms Mowz is the ultimate definition of "came in clutch"
Is ms Mowz the worst partner? Didn't her attack ignore defense? I think I found that at least situationally useful. Been a while since i played though. Really excited for the remake
Unanimously
Do you not tattle on your enemies? Now you have no idea how close you are to defeating the hardest common enemy in the game.
or their strengths and weaknesses for that matter
I never got this far in the Pit of 100 trials but it seems like he had Goombella dead for a while
@@raid--er4083 I beat it once or twice but challenges tend to ruin a lot of the fun for me in some games for whatever reason. I was honestly kind of disappointed that there wasn't some sort of secret storyline or something with it, but gamecube games and nintendo for that matter aren't known for the depth of the story
@@nathanielbass771the Pit does have a secret storyline, in its own way. Grifty, the guy you can talk to on top of Merlin's roof, tells you about the three dragon siblings and how they were pets of the Shadow Queen; Gloomtail personally guarded the SQ and Bonetail + The Pit Of 100 Trials was a punishment she would sentence people to.
Excuse me? You calling Ms Mowz the worst partner?
Oh buddy, we are gonna THROW down.
talk about situational lol
Alright finally what I wanna see on my feed
Aah yes, the only strategy available is the optimal one!
Less "optimal play" and more "only option I have left"
I am impress by both how you managed to get yourself in this horrible position and by how, and how lucky you are with this strat.
Just goes to show why ttyd is an incredible game
This battle is a statistical anomaly
Ms. Mowz the worst partner? Nah, with her slap bypassing defense, she's actually one of the more useful ones. I'd say the Yoshi Kid is the worst, given his weak attack strength.
I hope you're joking
I beat Bonetail with Mz. Mowz back in the day because all of my other partners were KOed and I had no healing items, FP, or star power.
Her armor piercing slap was the only reason I could do any damage.
Lore of When the Worst Partner's Worst Move is the Optimal Play Momentum 100
“Why don’t you just give up?”
Because she never did:
To be fair on them. They probably didn't realise how bad pity flower was
Lucky lucky on crack
Then theres Bonetail where the fight lasts 1 turn...
Appeal > Run > Appeal > Run > Appeal > Run > Sweet Feast > Run > Play game
Appeal > Fail Run Attempt > Dead
@@Koopatrol I mean, just hit A faster. I jitter click until the bar is full almost every time
Worst partner still better than no partner.
The difference a Mowz makes (one floor).
How did the fight against Bonetail go?
wow that was the most incredible thing that I didnt know I needed to see
And they call Fatguy the RNG-King.
It would be such a tease if this move was good.
Her slaps really help when it comes to enemies with higher defenses simce she ignores them for fixed damage.
One thing i miss about the original that the remake doesnt have is the sound effects especially the audience's and the hp and fp sounds when you heal them
Use the badge
Now good luck beating the boss
Would've been cool if your starpoints doubled thanks to the curse and thus fight Bonetail with a fresh team.
In my eyes clock out was the better option because then you could spam appeal to get your SP back then use sweet treat and repeat (this all depends on your audience size tho)
Dream luck for real. I would not have believed you if it weren’t for your reputation.
Call an ambulance. But not for me.
Dang.... the "worst character" is my favorite lol. How is the the worst? she pierces defense!
Same here.
>pierces defence
>Everything else sucks
3 FP and a dream.
That was a spectacular play
Imagine going through all of that to lose first turn bonetail
I haven't played this one but the mouse is adorable
My god you earned that win
This is all well and good, but the title is a bit misleading. After all, it doesn't say *anything* about Bobbery.