Using a wheel to winch - will it work?
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Need to try this with the wheelie torque monster Lada that has multiple diffs! At that ratio it should be an insane recovery machine as long as the cable tensile strength can keep up.
it's better to use multiple gearboxes, connect them and use a strong differential.
@@AnalogDude_ you don't know what's better
@@wouldbang6928 Well, you have a lot more of gear relations, so simple as that. like counting teeth on a sprocket.
2 four speed gearboxes coupled would be 16 gears.
@@AnalogDude_ no
An elevator cable suits well then as long as the cogwheels can handle the torque._
Just adding a Pulley at the anchor point and making the cable come back and attaching it to a fix part of the car is the solution. It divides the stress on the cable, clutch and engine by 2. (But you have to turn the wheels 2* more to move the same distance)
Spot on. Mechanical advantage.
Or use that multi diff lada. With such "solid" connection. Instead relaying on tire grip it would pull almost anything with so much torque. But yeah, here it just needs more torque or more gear reduction (which means more torque).
Destin - "Smarter Every Day" did an excellent video on pulleys, so even beginners could understand what simple things like pulleys could do to ease the load... Just goes to show, keep it simple is usually, the best way... 😏😎🇬🇧
Yep, double the mechanical advantage by doubling up with a pulley. Do so a few more times, and it'll likely be able to be pulled by a couple people
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" Do you feel the smell of burning clutch" No but I can Hear what it looks like.
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Could be useful if I could replicate for my Jeep Wrangler
@@truckerdaddy-akajohninqueb4793 a lot of the problem they had is the steep incline car is on. that put a lot of extra tension on the cable. in the mud this should work if you anchor the cable properly. remember 1 important fact. they are mechanics having fun with the junkers that wont sell for as much as these videos pay. u pay out of pocket if it goes bad
They just copied a real product that's been in production for decades.
4:54 without context that is absolutely hilarious 😂
As is this 14:16 Well actually it's hilarious even within the context. 😂
Much agree. 5:05 and 5:11 as well.
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This has actually been around since the war. It was actually used on some military vehicles (damned if I cannot recall which). Surely it was used in some variant by the CCCP, US, and even Wehrmacht (ideal for the K-wagen).
Fitted to some Land Rovers.
My grandfather had wheel winches permanently attached to his WW2 chevy blitz truck it also had cable guides on the front bumper bar to keep it pulling straight...with the additional use of chains and pulleys it would go just about any where.
That makes total sense. But in this video, as the cable spooled away from the hub it caused the pipe/arbor to deflect under load. Speaking of load, the angle of attack was pulling the axle hard into the ground. Making the total friction grow and grow until the Lada (or cable) just had enough.
Cable guides at the bumpers corners in this case, would have perhaps made this work out nicely.
Video needs follow-up w/cable guides + 4x4-Low gear.
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107% is very impressive...
@@flamingdeadcat3079 Indeed it is lol
100 and 7 rhyme in Russian, so 107 has a nice ring to it
@@Strike86 Now that makes total sense lol
The idea does work. In Australia, they sell something similar called the Bush Winch in the 80's, & 90's.
This demands a follow-up video: "Can AWD/4WD vehicle hoist itself up into trees using wheel-power winches?" I recommend a truck with 4L-4WD, to slowly hoise using maximun torque and idle RPM. maybe compare 4L to AWD car? maybe race???
No need to try. You can easily calculate if it is possible.
@@Mustakari but it needs to be verified
the last 1 minuet of the video is close enough right?
@@MSusername69 so close, yet so far!
I guess you’ve never heard of the Subaru GL with a stick shift 4x4 and low range lol
These guys are crazy, I still don't know how they aren't running out of ideas.
Honestly, they just keep going. They try everything!
He says that they react to recommendations in the comments. That's also why they sometimes revisit a thing and try something else with it
@@gustavgnoettgen I feel like another reason would be economical status. From their garage to the cars they use, they don't have a ton of money, which gives them the will to go higher and higher. You see it everywhere, the more rich someone gets, the more layed down they are, and its at that point ideas and whatnot become boring or pointless.
@@viktorbihar5384 You don't need to invent the wheel anew every time you... Haha this sounds like a pun on garage 54
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To be honest, it really works... but only with light vehicles with high torque. I pulled out my quad from mud by "wrapping" hard rope on tree and wheels. Of course I had to unravel this rope from shaft but nevermind, I escaped a situation that looked impossible to deal without a winch!
"The back door popped open" It's a Lada, doors pop open even if you sneeze in the vicinity of one.
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Great stuff! Thanks for sharing!!
Another way would be to use a wheel without a tyre on it. Just bolt it on as normal and have the cable looped through the wheel. Then wrap the cable a couple times around the wheel. Then when you try to winch yourself out, the cable should spool up around the wheel.
Naturally you'll have to have a spare wheel, wheel jack and brace, and tools to remove a tyre from a rim. Even better a method to inflate the tyre again.
Something like this has been done a number of times in outback Australia.
And if you don't have something to winch off (sandy dunes for example) use a spare wheel by burying it deep in the sand. Just go slow when you try to pull yourself out. You don't want to pull the tyre out of its hole and come flying towards you.
To use both above techniques...I just hope you have a spare wheel. If you don't, you shouldn't find yourself in such predicaments.
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Great video, as always !
Great video guys, thanks for sharing.
The second time the car was just too far in at too much of an angle. when you was trying the car was trying to pull itself through the ground instead of over it, even if you had enough power and strong enough clutch you would have probably just pulled the rear drive line off the car.
That's why when you pulled the car out a bit it worked fine, it wasn't trying to pull itself through the ground.
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I like it. I'd just have cones at the end to keep it from off tracking. It also is engaging the tires. If the tires were off it'd do fine
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I figured they would've put the wheel spindle on one tire and the small bar on the other, as they both spin in the same direction the difference in sizes would mean the big spindle would pull in more line than the little one would let out, meaning that the vehicle would be pulled out by the line shortening
Off grid power experiment:
Fill the trunk of a Lada with a deep cycle battery bank, deplete them to 50%, tack weld jumper cables to the stock alternator leads, and drive normally for an hour. What will the charge percentage be after the drive?
Can you power your appliances in your off grid house from your commute to work?
you're asking very ignorant questions; check the maximum power generated by an alternator.... they don't have infinite energy... barely 500 watts at most..
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They actually sell a product very similar to this for off-road recovery.
Where?
Here's a vid on at least one version. It's Australian, but you might be able to find something similar closer to home. They probably ship internationally, but shipping to/from Australia is damn expensive.
th-cam.com/video/trrEKbc6uqE/w-d-xo.html
Yep that's the exact one I was referring to.
@@barstadryan Cool. I haven't been offroading in decades, but I still know various tricks/ways to get yourself out of being bogged down if needed. lol
14:35 "There is no such thing as hopeless situation"
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"Lets give it the beans" made me want to see a Garage 54/Donut Media Crossover!!!
This is almost practical.. I literally didn’t even realize it was a garage 54 video at first
The first car trip across the US used that very system. There were no roads across the US then.
just a thought here.. run the cable from the car to a pulley on an anchor point and then to the wheel. creates a mechanical advantage that way. it'll move double the weight that way.
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If you have a long chain, lay one under the spinning tire and the other around a tree and back out ... works when the vehicle isn't hung up with the spinning freely off the ground.
Rather than using a bar to wrap/winch the cable round, maybe try something of a larger but only slightly smaller diameter than the current wheel/tyre combination eg 14" rim to winch with for a 15" wheel/tyre combination on the car. 🤷♂️
Think of it like a bicycle chain, you use the big 'granny gear' when you need the slow torque for hills.
That concrete truck is hilarious
Hey!
This isn't directly automotive but inderctly definitely is.
Years ago a friend called me over to help him with his automatic garage door. He had been having problems with it. I figured he needed help with getting it back on tracks. So yeah. Anything to help a friend..
But I was wrong.
He was trying to hook up a car engine starter to his automatic garage door. To use that as a motor.
Crazy.
It took a long while but after some coffee and a few beers he agreed it was a bad idea even if it did work.
So how about it Garage54.
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can you check how many snow chains can you put on the whell and drive?
If you tried this again, with a pulley with the line from the axle, through the pulley back to a tow hitch, you'd double your pulling force.
You should have used the orange rims attached to the back wheels. Cut the lip of the rim down on one side and make spaced mounts and longer lug nuts to attach it to the wheel. You will hav a much better mechanical advantage using the larger diameter rim over the pipe creating more torque. Just like changing gears on a bicycle.
Hallo,Master of Lada your videos are really good working
I saw old army trucks that used this, even had special rims for it on some of the wheels
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was broken cable China,USA,or Russia made?(dont say India)
Simple and easy to build
i had to wheel winch a couple months ago with easy sucess. i did it with a strap on the tyre and looped through the rim but had 240hp and an auto transmission and low range so it was far easier and no clutch to burn out XD.
if you fix the one end of the cable on the car itself, not on the the spinning axle, the torque will bei doubled. with a pulley you could double it again. this should work
Need a stage 3 clutch for more winch powah! I think if they threw some barrels under the cables to change the cable angle it would have pulled the car upward and not straight. The car being down in a ditch needs to be pulled upward.
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Give it the beans shout-out donut media hahaha
Yes it definitely does work well eh
I saw a Canadian army truck that had drums attached to the wheels to act as winches.
Try using snatch blocks to take some strain off the engine and clutch?
Exactly. Multiply the torque
Vlad's off road recovery 😛
Applying the brakes when going over the edge. You nutter :-)
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The angle of the car was a tad extreme. A pretty tall order to get out of there just pulling backwards 😅
Nice trick
I like the tree climb. What about doing that with a 4x4 and try going up like a lift lol
Concrete clutch and even more beans should do it 😅
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Weld the diff.
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Do the same thing with 2 cars playing tug-o-war but driving forwards
Need to weld a rim to the out side of the rear wheels will work as a drum and keep rope centered and more torque instead of a skinny pipe
I use same metod on my Aro 4x4 on tha front wheel and it's work ! Whit a king not cable..
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Might try it going up a hill i a 4x4
2:16 IS THAT A SUPRA???
that's a surprise those 2 rods didn't rip off from the wheel.
They've been selling 'The Bush Winch' for years. This is the same premise, but Russianized.
Yup.
th-cam.com/video/trrEKbc6uqE/w-d-xo.html
You can think your way out of anything.
Can you try a Lada without a cooling fan, but with two radiators, to see if they can keep the coolant cool enough without the use of a fan? Run the hot coolant first through the most interior radiator and then through the second most exterior radiator before going back into the water jackets of the engine?
I need to streamline this to use on my Jeep Wrangler 🤔
There should be some manner of kit to buy to do this! Looks genius
Did you see the thumbnail?
Edit: sorry, thumbnails seem to change after a period of times. There is indeed a kit you can buy that bolts onto the studs of your existing wheel.
Edit 2: looks to be the same as in the thumbnail I can see.
th-cam.com/video/trrEKbc6uqE/w-d-xo.html
A synthetic rope instead of wire cable handles the cold better and doesn't twist up like wire does
A torn down summer tire would have helped. Less friction on the ground, so the wheels can turn turn more easily...
My late father knew this from his youth on 50’s
This concept works but you need low range to provide the torque.
ive done this on tractors works great
Well tractors have insane torq, so it works.
What if, you installed a carburetor for each piston. To see how powerful you can make a stock lada
No matter how many or what kind of carbs you put on there, you still need the right air to fuel mixture ratio. The carb can put more fuel into the combustion chamber, but not more air. Without the correct mixture it would just not be able to burn the extra fuel and make less power with more fuel used. So you need more air, *kehm kehm*, Turbo lada when?
@@nikola6413It would increase flow however
IIRC the original military Humvee had something like this.
Problem I saw with this test is in the pipe wrinch setup. Where the pulling force has to little leverage which then you substituted with energy which is why you broke cables. Now being the car is gas and geared differently than an actuall winch you can not use such a small drum. You need as much leverage as possible. By using the rim as the cable drum it would have worked.
If you want rotational leverage, the smaller one would be better.
@@mikeznel6048 normally true, but in this use case the action is turned into linear based off size of drum. Hence with pipe it took way more power to work, but every single other video with this test done with a much wider drum just like the thumb nail and they work with less effort.
Either way doesn't help load a broken racecar onto the trailer.
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Would you please give the guy with the angle grinder some safety glass? I am not big on safety but watching him made my toes curl.
my grandpa use to have one of these on his truck. Definitely not a new idea, but its an interesting one
Have you considered making a power take-off that could power a winch?
That is handy in russian mud roads. Army use it. I know one accident which reel in truck rim climbed on bridge rail and truck flipped into ditch. One soldier died.
Progress. If he did that 40 years ago, the car would have exploded.