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You can’t coach more talent . Stop blaming the coaches and start blaming the organization. This is a good team of players . We need a leader ……we need coaches who played .
I would hate to see him go, I love the way he goes about business. Hope he can find a place to succeed, he will always have a place in our hearts here in Chicago.
I ROOT FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS FROM MY HOME TOWN.. WE WENT TO RIVAL HIGH SCHOOL IN THE SAME COUNTY, BUT AFTER YOU GET OUT OF SCHOOL, YOU GOTTA ROOT FOR ANYONE THAT SUCEEDS OR TRYS TO FROM YOUR COUNTY... HE'S ACTUALLY ALOT BETTER THEN ALOT OF PEOPLE THINK.. HE JUST NEEDS TO PLAY SO HE CAN GET USE TO THE QUICKNESS A LITTLE BETTER.. HE BROKE LIKE THE NCAA RECORD FOR MOST YDS THROW BY A QB, AND HE MAY HAVE GOT THE RECORD FOR MOST TD IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL ALSO.. IM NOT 100% ON THAT ONE, BUT HE MAY GAVE JUST PLAYED DIVISION 1, BUT U GOTTA GAVE SOME KINDA TALENT TO DO WHAT HE DID.. THOSE RECORDS ARE FOR DIVISION 1 AND 2...
@@mikebudzinski3879Caleb needs some time for the guys to get open in the red zone. The run game is the biggest issue right now. Without a run game teams are just blitzing and the o line sucks so they are getting there quick. They can trade bagent for a center maybe Carolina has a center that’s good that they would give up for bagent or Miami would give up a starting o lineman for a decent quarterback and he’s similar to tua and they can win with him. The bears need a center bad they should do whatever it takes to get one right now so Caleb can grow quicker and they can start winning games and scoring on offense
@@JAYChi_Bears One offensive guard isn't going to make that big of a difference. Bates will be back {hopefully}, in 3 or 4 weeks, and he should replace Shelton at center. Center is easily the #1 problem on the offensive line. Bagent, has the potential to be a good NFL qb. It is hard to acquire a good back - up qb, and trading him away now would be a major error in judgement by Poles. I just hope he is smart enough to see that!!
@@Talbert61 I agree with that statement. The ol coach, (Morgan), hasn't stood out in any way, during his tenure. Poles, however deserves most of the blame. In two consecutive drafts, he refused to draft a center!! The " project", he drafted this year in the third round, doesn't figure to help this year, if ever!! The Bears don't have "the horses", on the ol, and better coaching can help slightly, but won't make a significant difference.
@@JAYChi_Bears so what dude? The guy is a solid back up? Every season we seem to have a quarterback go down why the hell would you want to let go of the guys that can potentially carry the team into the playoffs if he gets hot? I would much rather see them trade-off draft picks then trade off Tyson Bagent. not really sure what you’re doing. Promoting this, if you believe this is the correct decision.
Before trading away Tyson Bagent I’d trade away some of the coaching staff. The Bears offensive coaching staff doesn’t seem to know how to use the talent they have.
If they could they would but they can’t so they need to do whatever they can to get a center and maybe a left tackle or right guard right now so they can win and develop Caleb this season and win this season.
I loved Bagent since I saw that he was signed as a free agent last year and was pulling for him to win the backup job over the other bums in last years camp. If we do deal him, I hope they would give Austin Reed a chance at the backup gig and elevate him from the practice squad. He looked decent in preseason and it would be cool to catch lightning in a bottle again with another UDFA.
I'd hate to see Bagent go but he deserves a chance to start in the NFL. However, the Bears need Offensive Line help desperately so I hope they make one of these trades.
Me too. How is the offensive line any better than with Justin Fields? It's not. Gotta protect those millions of dollars (about 10 million annual salary). I may go on to say that if the Bears thought CWilliams would solve all of their problems, they be wrong.
A typical Bears move . You have a good thing then you trade it away. They say it just business, but it’s a very bad move. Tyson is a starting quarterback. They are over thinking everything.
OK after watching the whole video, you are right. If Miami can be talked into doing that deal you absolutely make that trade for that center. It will make Caleb‘s life easier and safer and that is what is most important right now not what we might be able to get for Tyson in a year or two we need to be worried about tomorrow. Great video my dude. Thanks for putting out the content.
I'm a huge Bagent fan. I love his ability to get the ball out and hit SOMEONE, moving the chains. I always thought we should have kept him and Fields, then drafted some good O-Lineman. But also understand the desire to draft a quarterback of "generational talent". Do I think C-Mo is to blame. Yes. It's his job to get these guys ready. All these players in the NFL are the best of the best. Now it's up to the coaches to bring them to the next level. Maybe I can understand one lineman not working out, but all of them? The common denominator is the coaches here. I like both of your suggestions. Getting someone to replace Davis is important, I think. But dang, getting a good center is just as important.
I'd agree with this. Williams and many of the modern QB's nowadays with their size and ability to run, often are not as good as more traditional pocket passers.
They should have played Bagent at least one quarter in each of the 3 games yhe Bears played. I can see the Bears being 3 and 0 if they had. That would have definetly made him more valuable. Go one Jay say GESSH or whatever your comment was! The Bears dhould keep Bagent and let him play until Caleb gets to where he has to be.
@@larrykraut1182 Dude! Tyson is a back up! Maybe even #3.. Anyone who uses him as started will lose far more than they win. We’ll cheer for him as a back up. He’s does nothing above average, and below average on the attributes that make good QBs: Arm strength, accuracy and protecting the ball.
That is correct. If Bates can come back healthy, that should make a difference. The Bears aren't ready to make a run this year. Trading Bagent would be a pure panic move!!
Not sure if I’d trade Bagent. Without him the offense would really sputter. I’d seriously think about trading a high skill position (WR, TE) for a Pro Bowl C or G. Another option might be sending a 3rd or 4th rounder for a solid lineman
I have been a bear fan for 50+ years. I became a Bagent fan 23 preseason. Since this draft, I switched from Bear Fan to Bagent fan. I hope he gets traded. Can't wait to see my new team.
you are so short sighted it's unbelievable. we didn't just draft caleb williams for this year. he's a long term investment and he has to play to get experience.
@@stone-snare not short sited realistic. How brite will his future be if the OL allows him to get injured? NFL history shows you dont need a "So Called" , Generational talent to win but you do need a Reliable OL.
@@davegarnett1121 I know it wont happen but we could still get a couple picks to improve OL if we did. Send him to Miami for their Center and a 2nd round
Bears working out scrubs when they have a reliable and talented QB2 if needed. QB2s are very important so unless it’s a starting CENTER or GUARD the trade will suck for us.
If we get a stud Center out of the deal…. I love Bagent, met him and have a signed rookie card and a signed pic. If he gets traded it’s going to be to play so from his perspective he’s ready to play and he won’t with Chicago. It would have to be a really good Olineman to trade a starting caliber QB though.
Would be a very unwise move on POLE'S behalf, right now he has a VERY good, STARTING Caliber Back up, What happens when/if Caleb goes down, ESPECIALLY with their WEAK Offensive Line... Would be a panic type move by a still green GM.
Probably the right move to make..but damn... don't wanna see him go...if he went to Miami..they wouldn't miss a beat.. Waddle and Tyreek would be ecstatic... but with the way the oline is playing.. Caleb is one missed block away from IR.. bear's would be in good hands with Bagent as the backup... decisions... decisions.
Two years in a row Poles refused to draft a center, when that was the weakest link on the o-line. Wright was a good pick in the 2023 draft, but his only other offensive lineman, was an injured guard, that played at Yale, where the level isn't high enough to gauge the jump to the NFL!!
lol, my goodness, these takes are getting crazier by the day. Chill out boys, it’s a long season. No body in their right mind will trade one of their best offensive linemen for a backup QB. Save the analysis until the trade deadline or after the season. This is our team for now, we ride with them. 🐻 ⬇️
The Oc lost the game for us last week. The Bears had a 1st and goal from 4. Got to the 2 yard line. Then on 3rd down he calls a run up the middle from shotgun. That's nuts. You hand in to your running back 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage with no forward momentum. Just an aweful call. Also having your rookie qb with 50 attempts. Insane🎉
@@stone-snare he gets time to mature and watch. It’s proven if QB sits their first year they end up having a more successful career. He can practice and hone his skills, he will get the timing with receivers and also gets time to decipher defenses without getting crushed.
The problem is convincing anybody that a semi-proven UDFA backup QB is worth more than a starting OL, let alone a starting OL on a rookie deal. If going by track record, Tommy DeVito is more valuable than Tyson Bagent. At best, Bagent could probably get the Bears a Ryan Bates caliber of OL: a borderline starter who can play multiple positions. Outside of hiring a new run game coordinator or o-line coach (is Jeff Saturday available?), the only other play to realistically improve the o-line play is convincing Jason Kelce to come out of retirement.
Keenan and Swif still does, Bagent may be good enough to be a starter on another team, and Caleb is taking lots of hits under this OL, can't lose Bags cuz we don't know how much gd he can bring yet.
Not being a Bagent fan, just a very important still needed piece for Bears! Keenan is old and too injury prone, Swift hasn't done jack yet, n Caleb is getting smashed in pocket with this OL! Think about it, geez.
I personally would not trade Bagent. I think we will need him before the season is over and he can win games for us. (He is WAY better than he was last year, when he went 2-2 as a starter.) That being said, if a team is willing to GROSSLY OVERPAY, anything can happen. Of course, no team would grossly overpay for a backup QB. If a team trades for TB, it's because they expect him to start.
They should’ve traded the 1st pick and drafted oline and offensive weapons. The bears do the same dumb fucking thing every time. First it was trubiskey, then it was fields, and now caleb.
it's not just about this year. i want to be good for a long time. i could give a shit about this season. they would've kept justin if they didn't care about the future.
What are the criteria for what you want on your own roster? I’d say ability to perform at a high level, great potential to improve, great character/ locker room impact, super low cost contract would be among the most important criteria. Bagent is an enormously valuable asset to our own roster. Sure, if the Bears are offered a first rounder or maybe a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th, you might have to do it. But it should take a very valuable haul like that to let him go.
Hate to see him go, but he never had a chance to be the starter here. It's best if he moves on. The other QB is just a body to throw in there in case Williams has to be out of the line-up for a short time. Don't hate Bagent so don't trade him to the Raiders. They're even more messed up than the Bears. Miami is interesting, but he'd be on the bench there whenever Tua was available.
The Bears are a perfect example of being blind to their own assets. Tyson Bagent is a quarterback who last year showed he is a quality player. I personally think he fit better into the Bears team than Justin Fields, and his numbers likely show it. Working out another QB now is impulsive, and makes little sense unless the Bears need a third stringer?. Maybe because Rypien is gone after being signed in August!
BEAR 🐻 DOWN BABY, FGB,PVO, IF IF IF trading Tyson to either team would suck because we would be giving up a really good backup QB if Caleb got hurt but in turn having a Offensive line to protect him then he stands a better chance of not getting hurt. To get Tyson I would want a great left tackle or center with a draft pick for next year because a really good quarterback like Tyson is worth at least 2 line man.
Who needs depth at Quarterback? It’s not like Caleb is gonna get hurt. I mean the way the O-line keeps Williams out of harms way. Opposing defenses are lucky to even get within a yard of him.
What I don't understand why are they thinking about adding more people when they have the guys to do the job but aren't getting it done for they don't have the heart yet. What made the 85 Bears great was they refused to let each other down. They had Heart!
JAY, If Chicago trade Tyson, and we just gave away our starting Qb to Pittsburgh for a bag of Nuts, all H.E.L.L is going to break loose if we didn't make the right chose on Celeb Williams.
Fields had very little value to other NFL teams, and no value whatsoever, to the Bears. If Poles couldn't have traded Fields, he would have been unconditionally released after June 2nd!!
The Raiders move makes more sense for them and could see this even being an option with a pick instead of Bagent. With the Dolphins, it’s tougher cause why would they trade their C? If they have another player to fill then for sure. Just trying to ration it from the other teams perspective. But I like how you are thinking. Regardless of how the Bears perform the next few games, adding an int OL is something that should happen to start continuity into next year. Then spend picks and cap bolstering the entire interior and a swing T or a guy to make Braxton a swing T. It’s clear it’s the next position Poles will address. It’s just in season or off season.
@@johnreape2833 completely agree. Probably the most important need of this team. I believe the entire interior needs to be upgraded in all 3 spots. We haven’t been good since Kruetz and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
the comments under here are delusional... "trade caleb, start bagent". even if you could win more games now that accomplishes nothing. people are acting like it's all in this year or nothing. i don't want to be mediocre forever, sorry.
Caleb is the one whos going to be medicore forever. Arm strength doesn't = greatness. 99.9% of rocket armed freaks never do much in the league. QB is a mental and work ethic position. Caleb aint it
i can tell you've been looking at too much fake news. all of his teammates and coaches says he constantly asks the right questions to learn, studies hard, and stays late. they say that's why they have confidence in him to be good despite the struggles. i don't understand why everyone is giving up on him so soon. it's only week 3 going into week 4.
This would be a catastrophic mistake. If the offensive line keeps playing the way they are Caleb will get hurt. Tyson would be a very good option to keep on the roster
Bears fans we all love TB but unless you project him over Williams you have to and hope to trade him at some point. That’s what good teams do, draft we’ll enough, sign FA we’ll enough to develop talent and have the luxury to trade that talent. Especially young QB’s it’s what great GM’s have historically done, sometimes it backfires but I if he stays he sits, he doesn’t want that. While I love having a good backup we have to have faith that Poles will find the next Bagaent. Maybe it’s Reed, or someone we get late next year or another UDFA. So whether he’s traded now, next year or whenever it’s best for everyone.
Tyson Bagent should be the starting QB for the Bears now. If you get rid of Bagent you'll be watching him in the play-offs. Starting Williams was a hail mary in the first place.
I wish there was another option to trade for an OL. Tyson B is good. Good QB's are really hard to find. Tyson also is fully up to speed with the Bears system. Only 1 QB on offense. 5 OL on offense. You're giving up 100% of QB talent to upgrade 20% of the O-Line. Just not a good trade. I realize the Bears O-Line desperately needs an upgrade. Just find another asset to trade. Don't know who. Picks?
Bagent barely beat Carolina and he beat the LV when they were struggling. Doante Foreman played the best game of his career and carried the team in his back that game.
I would trade Bagent for an OL. As much as I love him, CW is the real deal. We saw that. Get him the help he needs to have a cleaner pocket, and let Bagent has a chance to be a star elsewhere
I prefer the Dolphins trad. I don't know much about the guy, so he had better center for at least two years.. No draft picks. If anything the last three weeks have shown is we still have holes and we need to fill them with picks.
I don't see the Raiders trading for a QB when they have O'Connell as their backup. He's already liked by the team and I think they'll probably wanna try him out for a few games before they try to snag another QB
@@JAYChi_Bears oh it's absolutely possible, wasn't trying to say it isn't. And I think you're right on the mark with Miami, I could absolutely see Bagent ending up there.
@@JAYChi_Bears Poles does make strange moves with qb's. Signing Walker before the 2023 season {as the #2} was baffling, and when training camp started, it only got worse!! Poles did however "catch lightening in a bottle", by signing Bagent, as a udfa!! Some of Poles moves, make little to no sense, so you are correct, with the premise that he could be exploring trading Bagent!!
The fact that he’s NO LONGER behind Mahomes, tells you all you need to know. If he’s NOT good enough to back up Mahomes, why would you get rid of a quality B/U QB, for a guy on the street?
With this line any play could be Williams last due to Poles refusing to draft oline man and not signing the right free agents. Bagent Will most likely play in Six games this year due to a Williams injury. You do not trade Bagent !!!!!!!!!
They’ll trade him. If not during this season it’ll be before the next season or after his contract is up. Tyson has already hinted at him wanting to compete somewhere for a starting role
This isn't good news to me. I'm happy for Bagent if he could be a QB1 somewhere, but as for the team this year, we never know if Caleb can stay healthy with this line and one lineman won't fix our problems now especially if we're not playing as one! Wright has been looking horrible against the run. Tevin always has injury issues, and they can't seem to make Davis do his job for the money he makes! Should've traded that #9 pick in the draft and got 2 quality linemen.👊🐻👇
Keep Bagent it would be stupid to trade him. You're properly developing him by sitting him on the sidelines. He has heart, too. We, Chicago fans, need to relax. We want results too quickly. Besides the coaching staff, we fans are a big problem too. We create the market, relax!
I find it hard to believe that there aren’t some free agent offensive linemen on the street who would be better than the players that we have… seems short sighted to trade Tyson.
How about trading Beijing Jones and Herbert? This year's first round pick for that offensive lineman from the raiders max Crosby. And then the bears a receive a third round. Pick this year or next year from the raiders. Now that would be a fair pic
@JAYChi_Bears My phone is kind of retarded when I talk to it to text but what I meant was regent Jones and Herbert This year's first round pick in return , we get the Offensive lineman from the raiders that j was talking about and we Get max Crosby. Now that's a super fucking great deal
How about they work out every Oline guy out there and hope they find magic in a bottle instead of considering giving up Bagent. Only way to consider a trade would be quality Oline help and a second round pick. No less.
Should have never drafted Williams. Poles, Eberflus, and Waldron should all be fired. Should have taken 3 1st's and a couple seconds instead. Bagent is cheap and very lucky to get him undrafted. Could have had the entire O line fixed and future picks left over, but no that wasn't good enough. Im tired of the flat out incompetence and stupidity of this team. Wish San Antonio/Austin could get an expansion team. I'd drop the Bears in a heart beat. They dont give a damn about us fans. It's just too stupid supporting the Bears.
it's week 3 and caleb williams had the 11th most passing yards in bears history last sunday. listen to yourself. this is ridiculous to be acting this way so early in the year.
The front office has no idea what they doing why would you trade one of the best back up QB for OL help is that really the best they can do to get OL help C.W is getting beat up what happens if he gets hurt T.B is a good QB who knows the offense has a nice strong arm can make plays with his legs this front office is horrible maybe they curse like the Cubs was until they finally got it right this is ridiculous especially after seeing a lot of star QB who got hurt last year
Why did we not sign Conor Williams? $3 million guaranteed, doesn’t sound like a bad deal up to 6 with incentives. We could’ve definitely swung this deal, I think this was a missed opportunity from poles.
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@@JAYChi_Bears JPJ. That’s it. And I would be sad still. I like Secret Bagent Man. He’s badass.
BEARS SUCK FIRE POLES
You can’t coach more talent . Stop blaming the coaches and start blaming the organization. This is a good team of players . We need a leader ……we need coaches who played .
You were gifted a diamond in the rough. Don’t trade Bagent. Look what happened when Tua went down, Dolphins stink now with Skylar.
Tyson is a valuable piece. We are not desperate, Dolphins are.
I would hate to see him go, I love the way he goes about business. Hope he can find a place to succeed, he will always have a place in our hearts here in Chicago.
He’d be a fantastic fit for Miami or any shanahan disciple.
I agree with you 100%. I wish they would have put him in last weeks game..😂😂
Love Bagent, hope he gets out of town. Chicago is going no where.
Agreed!
They better keep tyson because when Is caleb becomes a bust what are you gonna do
im a fan where ever Bagent goes.
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I think that’s the way it is for a lot fans. Root for certain QBs and not so much a team.
Hell yeah I was actually looking to get one of his jerseys
same here. He passed my eye test, and now just want him to be successful anywhere.
I ROOT FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS FROM MY HOME TOWN.. WE WENT TO RIVAL HIGH SCHOOL IN THE SAME COUNTY, BUT AFTER YOU GET OUT OF SCHOOL, YOU GOTTA ROOT FOR ANYONE THAT SUCEEDS OR TRYS TO FROM YOUR COUNTY...
HE'S ACTUALLY ALOT BETTER THEN ALOT OF PEOPLE THINK.. HE JUST NEEDS TO PLAY SO HE CAN GET USE TO THE QUICKNESS A LITTLE BETTER.. HE BROKE LIKE THE NCAA RECORD FOR MOST YDS THROW BY A QB, AND HE MAY HAVE GOT THE RECORD FOR MOST TD IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL ALSO.. IM NOT 100% ON THAT ONE, BUT HE MAY GAVE JUST PLAYED DIVISION 1, BUT U GOTTA GAVE SOME KINDA TALENT TO DO WHAT HE DID.. THOSE RECORDS ARE FOR DIVISION 1 AND 2...
Letting go of Bagent would be the biggest mistake.
Getting rid of our 2nd string QB? Why a mistake?
Agree, unless we are getting a second rounder for Bagent, tell the teams to pound sand.
@@JAYChi_Bears Because Bagent should be the starter. Williams will put up numbers but drives will stall in the red zone. Bagent will score the TDs
biggest mistake was having 5 running backs on the roster and no offensive line to get the push to get the run game going
@@mikebudzinski3879Caleb needs some time for the guys to get open in the red zone. The run game is the biggest issue right now. Without a run game teams are just blitzing and the o line sucks so they are getting there quick. They can trade bagent for a center maybe Carolina has a center that’s good that they would give up for bagent or Miami would give up a starting o lineman for a decent quarterback and he’s similar to tua and they can win with him. The bears need a center bad they should do whatever it takes to get one right now so Caleb can grow quicker and they can start winning games and scoring on offense
the bears may need Bagent very soon the way Williams is getting hammered
Trading him to get a OL so he doesn’t get hammered is my point
@@JAYChi_Bears O line aint the problem Propaganda Boy. Caleb is the problem.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@NOTREALLYHANKAARONdo you expect people to take you seriously with all those emojis? Imagine acting like that in real life.
@@JAYChi_Bears One offensive guard isn't going to make that big of a difference. Bates will be back {hopefully}, in 3 or 4 weeks, and he should replace Shelton at center. Center is easily the #1 problem on the offensive line. Bagent, has the potential to be a good NFL qb. It is hard to acquire a good back - up qb, and trading him away now would be a major error in judgement by Poles. I just hope he is smart enough to see that!!
@@NOTREALLYHANKAARONdude you literally don’t know what your talking about if you don’t think this Oline is a problem
Bring in all the players you want.. if they aren’t coached up correctly it doesn’t matter.
This is so true
add all the great coaches you want, it won't matter if the player isn't good.
@@tric5122 That is more accurate than the previous comment.
@@johnreape2833 A lesser player will always benefit more from better coaching than a superior player not being coached correctly.
@@Talbert61 I agree with that statement. The ol coach, (Morgan), hasn't stood out in any way, during his tenure. Poles, however deserves most of the blame. In two consecutive drafts, he refused to draft a center!! The " project", he drafted this year in the third round, doesn't figure to help this year, if ever!! The Bears don't have "the horses", on the ol, and better coaching can help slightly, but won't make a significant difference.
The Bears would be insane to trade Tyson Bagent. He's gold if Williams goes down.
Williams has had the same amount of time in this system as Bagent. Bagent went against 2's and 3's all preseason.
@@JAYChi_Bears so what dude? The guy is a solid back up? Every season we seem to have a quarterback go down why the hell would you want to let go of the guys that can potentially carry the team into the playoffs if he gets hot? I would much rather see them trade-off draft picks then trade off Tyson Bagent. not really sure what you’re doing. Promoting this, if you believe this is the correct decision.
if it gets the bears a good G or C then I'm down. but has to be a good G or C
Before trading away Tyson Bagent I’d trade away some of the coaching staff. The Bears offensive coaching staff doesn’t seem to know how to use the talent they have.
If only we could
For sure some heads need to roll
If they could they would but they can’t so they need to do whatever they can to get a center and maybe a left tackle or right guard right now so they can win and develop Caleb this season and win this season.
I loved Bagent since I saw that he was signed as a free agent last year and was pulling for him to win the backup job over the other bums in last years camp. If we do deal him, I hope they would give Austin Reed a chance at the backup gig and elevate him from the practice squad. He looked decent in preseason and it would be cool to catch lightning in a bottle again with another UDFA.
Agreed!
I'd hate to see Bagent go but he deserves a chance to start in the NFL. However, the Bears need Offensive Line help desperately so I hope they make one of these trades.
True
I would definitely keep Bagent. The way the O-Line is blocking right now, Caleb Williams might not make it through the season.
Just an idea. Why else would we bring in a QB to try out? Never know with Poles!
Me too. How is the offensive line any better than with Justin Fields? It's not. Gotta protect those millions of dollars (about 10 million annual salary). I may go on to say that if the Bears thought CWilliams would solve all of their problems, they be wrong.
A typical Bears move . You have a good thing then you trade it away. They say it just business, but it’s a very bad move. Tyson is a starting quarterback. They are over thinking everything.
Just an idea. Why else would we bring in a QB to try out? Never know with Poles!
Also maybe Bagent really wants a move. He said he doesn’t want to be a back up. Only fair to him to try to be a starter
OK after watching the whole video, you are right. If Miami can be talked into doing that deal you absolutely make that trade for that center. It will make Caleb‘s life easier and safer and that is what is most important right now not what we might be able to get for Tyson in a year or two we need to be worried about tomorrow.
Great video my dude. Thanks for putting out the content.
THANK YOU! Wish everyone else watch the whole thing! Lol
I'm a huge Bagent fan. I love his ability to get the ball out and hit SOMEONE, moving the chains. I always thought we should have kept him and Fields, then drafted some good O-Lineman. But also understand the desire to draft a quarterback of "generational talent". Do I think C-Mo is to blame. Yes. It's his job to get these guys ready. All these players in the NFL are the best of the best. Now it's up to the coaches to bring them to the next level. Maybe I can understand one lineman not working out, but all of them? The common denominator is the coaches here.
I like both of your suggestions. Getting someone to replace Davis is important, I think. But dang, getting a good center is just as important.
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Bagent is calmer in the pocket than Williams and seems to read the D better.
Could argue that
If Williams gets injured, watch Bagent take the team on a winning streak
Have you seen Tyson Bagent behind this line?
Bagent is NFL ready. Caleb & Fields more talented & higher ceilings.
I'd agree with this. Williams and many of the modern QB's nowadays with their size and ability to run, often are not as good as more traditional pocket passers.
Tyson deserves a chance to compete for a job at the very least.
Facts
Just pay him to sit
How bout Bagent and Herbert for the Raiders right guard and Jackson Powers Johnson
I love that idea bro
I'd do that in a nanosecond
Would not complain
@@illamatic9789 I would love that trade cuz that's who I wanted the bears to draft
I would do that…
They should have played Bagent at least one quarter in each of the 3 games yhe Bears played.
I can see the Bears being 3 and 0 if they had.
That would have definetly made him more valuable.
Go one Jay say GESSH or whatever your comment was!
The Bears dhould keep Bagent and let him play until Caleb gets to where he has to be.
Facts
Why would they do that? The Bears were in all the games. The only time Bagent should come in is during a blow out.
@@sevinbamuels6560because Williams sucks ass.
@@sevinbamuels6560 because Caleb wasn't doing it.
@@larrykraut1182 Dude! Tyson is a back up! Maybe even #3.. Anyone who uses him as started will lose far more than they win. We’ll cheer for him as a back up. He’s does nothing above average, and below average on the attributes that make good QBs: Arm strength, accuracy and protecting the ball.
Bagent deserves a chance to be a starter. Trade him to help his career, and get OL help to help CW’s 🤝
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we need more than just one O lineman stupid trade Tyson Bagent is a good QB
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That is correct. If Bates can come back healthy, that should make a difference. The Bears aren't ready to make a run this year. Trading Bagent would be a pure panic move!!
That makes sense. Let's take the one good spot and trade it away
Not our DBs, LBs, DL, EDGEs, P, K, WRs, TEs. Yeah we are no good else where
Could it be some franchise see him as the next Brock purty ?
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Like both these scenarios and will root for Bagent wherever he goes
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A good o-line for Bagent… man that hurts, but I’m making that deal.
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Not sure if I’d trade Bagent. Without him the offense would really sputter. I’d seriously think about trading a high skill position (WR, TE) for a Pro Bowl C or G. Another option might be sending a 3rd or 4th rounder for a solid lineman
I would like to see the Bears play Bagent this weekend to put this debate to bed.
I have been a bear fan for 50+ years. I became a Bagent fan 23 preseason. Since this draft, I switched from Bear Fan to Bagent fan. I hope he gets traded. Can't wait to see my new team.
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The bears would be stupid as hell to trade Tyson Bagent my opinion he should have been starting Caleb should have set for 1 year
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Sorry but that's never going to happen
I would hate to see Bagent go. But we do need major help on the o-line. But I also think some professional play calling would go a long way
Same
In all honesty, I truly believe that Bagent is a better QB than Williams.
Then he should start
Keep Bagent🐻
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Tyson has proven he can win.
I'd trade CW for picks and improve OL next year.
Man
They had their chance to trade the #1 pick for a bunch of picks.He doesn't have the same value now
you are so short sighted it's unbelievable. we didn't just draft caleb williams for this year. he's a long term investment and he has to play to get experience.
@@stone-snare not short sited realistic. How brite will his future be if the OL allows him to get injured?
NFL history shows you dont need a "So Called" , Generational talent to win but you do need a Reliable OL.
@@davegarnett1121 I know it wont happen but we could still get a couple picks to improve OL if we did.
Send him to Miami for their Center and a 2nd round
Bears working out scrubs when they have a reliable and talented QB2 if needed. QB2s are very important so unless it’s a starting CENTER or GUARD the trade will suck for us.
Exactly what the two people at the end of the video I’d trade for. 🤝
If they trade Bagent, I’m out.
If we get a stud Center out of the deal…. I love Bagent, met him and have a signed rookie card and a signed pic. If he gets traded it’s going to be to play so from his perspective he’s ready to play and he won’t with Chicago. It would have to be a really good Olineman to trade a starting caliber QB though.
Cya. I like him, but o line is important
Need OL more than a backup QB
@@JAYChi_Bears Caleb is the backup QB.
@@TB17-are you toothless
Would be a very unwise move on POLE'S behalf, right now he has a VERY good, STARTING Caliber Back up, What happens when/if Caleb goes down, ESPECIALLY with their WEAK Offensive Line... Would be a panic type move by a still green GM.
The point of this video is to trade Bagent to get key OL help so Williams doesn't get hurt.
There would still be Reed.
Probably the right move to make..but damn... don't wanna see him go...if he went to Miami..they wouldn't miss a beat.. Waddle and Tyreek would be ecstatic... but with the way the oline is playing.. Caleb is one missed block away from IR.. bear's would be in good hands with Bagent as the backup... decisions... decisions.
In most cases, no move is the right move. That is the case here!!
The point of this video is to trade Bagent to get key OL help so Williams doesn't get hurt.
The Bears wouldn't have this problem if Poles knew what he was doing !!
Two years in a row Poles refused to draft a center, when that was the weakest link on the o-line. Wright was a good pick in the 2023 draft, but his only other offensive lineman, was an injured guard, that played at Yale, where the level isn't high enough to gauge the jump to the NFL!!
It's frustrating
That would be a move I would not hate for a OL
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I like Bagent myself but you have to give up quality to get quality as in an offensive lineman there are teams that NEED a QB .....HELLO MIAMI
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lol, my goodness, these takes are getting crazier by the day. Chill out boys, it’s a long season. No body in their right mind will trade one of their best offensive linemen for a backup QB. Save the analysis until the trade deadline or after the season. This is our team for now, we ride with them. 🐻 ⬇️
Just an idea. Why else would we bring in a QB to try out? Never know with Poles!
The Oc lost the game for us last week. The Bears had a 1st and goal from 4. Got to the 2 yard line. Then on 3rd down he calls a run up the middle from shotgun. That's nuts. You hand in to your running back 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage with no forward momentum. Just an aweful call. Also having your rookie qb with 50 attempts. Insane🎉
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We should just start Tyson Bagent.
Smart
I agree
Man….idk if Bagent has the mobility Williams and with the OL as bad as they are, he wouldn’t be doing as well
how does that help develop caleb williams? we didn't just draft him for this year. it's a long term investment.
@@stone-snare he gets time to mature and watch. It’s proven if QB sits their first year they end up having a more successful career. He can practice and hone his skills, he will get the timing with receivers and also gets time to decipher defenses without getting crushed.
The problem is convincing anybody that a semi-proven UDFA backup QB is worth more than a starting OL, let alone a starting OL on a rookie deal. If going by track record, Tommy DeVito is more valuable than Tyson Bagent. At best, Bagent could probably get the Bears a Ryan Bates caliber of OL: a borderline starter who can play multiple positions. Outside of hiring a new run game coordinator or o-line coach (is Jeff Saturday available?), the only other play to realistically improve the o-line play is convincing Jason Kelce to come out of retirement.
All fair.
Nobody is giving up serious assets for a backup quarterback who's never been a starter other than because of injuries🎉
Didn’t do bad, but hear ya
Do NOT lose Bagent!! Trade Swift, Davis, Keenan, whoever else but NOT Bagent!!
None of those others carry value ATM
how does that even make sense? jesus, i didn't realize there was such an obsession with bagent.
Keenan and Swif still does, Bagent may be good enough to be a starter on another team, and Caleb is taking lots of hits under this OL, can't lose Bags cuz we don't know how much gd he can bring yet.
Not being a Bagent fan, just a very important still needed piece for Bears! Keenan is old and too injury prone, Swift hasn't done jack yet, n Caleb is getting smashed in pocket with this OL! Think about it, geez.
I personally would not trade Bagent. I think we will need him before the season is over and he can win games for us. (He is WAY better than he was last year, when he went 2-2 as a starter.) That being said, if a team is willing to GROSSLY OVERPAY, anything can happen. Of course, no team would grossly overpay for a backup QB. If a team trades for TB, it's because they expect him to start.
There you go!
Why not let Caleb go and keep Bagent because he has more experience and can come in and play
They should’ve traded the 1st pick and drafted oline and offensive weapons. The bears do the same dumb fucking thing every time. First it was trubiskey, then it was fields, and now caleb.
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it's not just about this year. i want to be good for a long time. i could give a shit about this season. they would've kept justin if they didn't care about the future.
My theory is CW might not want to play or the Bears are going to sit CW and develop the line and not get him killed in the mean time.
That’d be wild
What are the criteria for what you want on your own roster? I’d say ability to perform at a high level, great potential to improve, great character/ locker room impact, super low cost contract would be among the most important criteria. Bagent is an enormously valuable asset to our own roster. Sure, if the Bears are offered a first rounder or maybe a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th, you might have to do it. But it should take a very valuable haul like that to let him go.
I'd love to get rid of our bad coaching staff
Hate to see him go, but he never had a chance to be the starter here. It's best if he moves on. The other QB is just a body to throw in there in case Williams has to be out of the line-up for a short time.
Don't hate Bagent so don't trade him to the Raiders. They're even more messed up than the Bears.
Miami is interesting, but he'd be on the bench there whenever Tua was available.
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The Bears are a perfect example of being blind to their own assets. Tyson Bagent is a quarterback who last year showed he is a quality player. I personally think he fit better into the Bears team than Justin Fields, and his numbers likely show it. Working out another QB now is impulsive, and makes little sense unless the Bears need a third stringer?. Maybe because Rypien is gone after being signed in August!
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Can we just trade the entire coaching staff ? I’d ask for a 7th rounder.
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DO NOT TRADE BAGENT..YOU WILL NEED HIM BEFORE LONG!!! And besides, I think many would agree that Tyson should be starting over Caleb.
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Will someone please tell me why Chicago didn't put Bagent in last week's game 😢smh
Cause Caleb Williams needs reps and progression. And almost won it
cause they dont wanna hurt their bust diva's feelings
BEAR 🐻 DOWN BABY, FGB,PVO, IF IF IF trading Tyson to either team would suck because we would be giving up a really good backup QB if Caleb got hurt but in turn having a Offensive line to protect him then he stands a better chance of not getting hurt. To get Tyson I would want a great left tackle or center with a draft pick for next year because a really good quarterback like Tyson is worth at least 2 line man.
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Who needs depth at Quarterback? It’s not like Caleb is gonna get hurt. I mean the way the O-line keeps Williams out of harms way. Opposing defenses are lucky to even get within a yard of him.
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What I don't understand why are they thinking about adding more people when they have the guys to do the job but aren't getting it done for they don't have the heart yet. What made the 85 Bears great was they refused to let each other down. They had Heart!
I agree with this
Unless it's for a proven starter on the OL, I'm not trading him
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JAY, If Chicago trade Tyson, and we just gave away our starting Qb to Pittsburgh for a bag of Nuts, all H.E.L.L is going to break loose if we didn't make the right chose on Celeb Williams.
Fair. But give Caleb a true OL and no excuses
Fields had very little value to other NFL teams, and no value whatsoever, to the Bears. If Poles couldn't have traded Fields, he would have been unconditionally released after June 2nd!!
The Raiders move makes more sense for them and could see this even being an option with a pick instead of Bagent. With the Dolphins, it’s tougher cause why would they trade their C? If they have another player to fill then for sure. Just trying to ration it from the other teams perspective. But I like how you are thinking. Regardless of how the Bears perform the next few games, adding an int OL is something that should happen to start continuity into next year. Then spend picks and cap bolstering the entire interior and a swing T or a guy to make Braxton a swing T. It’s clear it’s the next position Poles will address. It’s just in season or off season.
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What about center? I agree the Bears need a new starting ot, but center is even a bigger priority!!
@@johnreape2833 completely agree. Probably the most important need of this team. I believe the entire interior needs to be upgraded in all 3 spots. We haven’t been good since Kruetz and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
@@kellsmo9488 I think the Bears should extend Jenkins, but center, guard, and lt, are weak spots, that need to be significantly upgraded.
Bagent can go and be a rising star. He will be pleased to get away from the nightmare and canard that is the Bears organization.
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Tyson Bagent needs to stay right where he's at he's probably the best quarterback on the team
Agreed
Sounds very good, But...... what happens if Caleb gets hurt ?
Austin Reed and Chris Oladokun as backups -- not that I like any of this discourse, but that would be what is suggested if we trade Bagent for OL
Bears are the worst in the division , you don't need to be worried about that 😂
Give him a solid OL and we have to worry about that a whole lot less
Bagent should be our starter right now.
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the comments under here are delusional... "trade caleb, start bagent". even if you could win more games now that accomplishes nothing. people are acting like it's all in this year or nothing. i don't want to be mediocre forever, sorry.
Caleb is the one whos going to be medicore forever. Arm strength doesn't = greatness. 99.9% of rocket armed freaks never do much in the league. QB is a mental and work ethic position. Caleb aint it
i can tell you've been looking at too much fake news. all of his teammates and coaches says he constantly asks the right questions to learn, studies hard, and stays late. they say that's why they have confidence in him to be good despite the struggles. i don't understand why everyone is giving up on him so soon. it's only week 3 going into week 4.
Williams has had the same amount of time in this system as Bagent. Bagent went against 2's and 3's all preseason. Thank you!
Keep Bagent, Bears offense moves ball w/him& he's just getting started.Bears will be sorry if Caleb gets hurt
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This would be a catastrophic mistake. If the offensive line keeps playing the way they are Caleb will get hurt. Tyson would be a very good option to keep on the roster
We'll see
I love Bagent but his arm strength is the question, defenses would dare him to throw mid-long distances.
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Letting go of Bagent would be the most Bears thing to do
It would be a trade, not letting go. And it would be to improve the OL. Just an idea though, don't want to lose him
Bears fans we all love TB but unless you project him over Williams you have to and hope to trade him at some point. That’s what good teams do, draft we’ll enough, sign FA we’ll enough to develop talent and have the luxury to trade that talent. Especially young QB’s it’s what great GM’s have historically done, sometimes it backfires but I if he stays he sits, he doesn’t want that. While I love having a good backup we have to have faith that Poles will find the next Bagaent. Maybe it’s Reed, or someone we get late next year or another UDFA. So whether he’s traded now, next year or whenever it’s best for everyone.
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Replace the left and right offensive tackles and keep bagent. And get a offensive coordinator from the Shanahan tree.
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Tyson Bagent should be the starting QB for the Bears now. If you get rid of Bagent you'll be watching him in the play-offs. Starting Williams was a hail mary in the first place.
No. 3 games.
I wish there was another option to trade for an OL. Tyson B is good. Good QB's are really hard to find. Tyson also is fully up to speed with the Bears system. Only 1 QB on offense. 5 OL on offense. You're giving up 100% of QB talent to upgrade 20% of the O-Line. Just not a good trade. I realize the Bears O-Line desperately needs an upgrade. Just find another asset to trade. Don't know who. Picks?
Good thought….Not sure
We need OL help. Teams need QB help. Love Bagent but he won't start here if Williams keeps balling like he did.
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Bear down baby
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Would hate to see Tyson go
Really would love to see him play the kid is a star
But those two trades make to much sense not to pull the trigger
Agreed
Why did Bears play Tyson Williams in the game? Still get K Williams Kayla Williams up did Danny take care of Tyson Tyson?
I do not follow
Bears need a new head coach. Correct the problem!
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Indeed
Bagent barely beat Carolina and he beat the LV when they were struggling. Doante Foreman played the best game of his career and carried the team in his back that game.
Win is a win in the NFL. Impressive as a UDFA
I would trade Bagent for an OL. As much as I love him, CW is the real deal. We saw that. Get him the help he needs to have a cleaner pocket, and let Bagent has a chance to be a star elsewhere
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I prefer the Dolphins trad. I don't know much about the guy, so he had better center for at least two years.. No draft picks. If anything the last three weeks have shown is we still have holes and we need to fill them with picks.
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Most stupid projected move among many! Following the Bears since 1950, might be time to move on?
Just an idea. Why else would we bring in a QB to try out? Never know with Poles!
Yep time to move on,the bears are trying to be the most woke team in the league, its not even about football with them anymore...sad
Do not trade Bagent ! That kid can play.
Just an idea
Bears fan here: Bench Caleb and start Tyson pleaseeee, it’s the only way to win without trading anyone
What happens if Bagent stinks?
I don't see the Raiders trading for a QB when they have O'Connell as their backup. He's already liked by the team and I think they'll probably wanna try him out for a few games before they try to snag another QB
Just an idea. Why else would we bring in a QB to try out? Never know with Poles!
@@JAYChi_Bears oh it's absolutely possible, wasn't trying to say it isn't. And I think you're right on the mark with Miami, I could absolutely see Bagent ending up there.
@@JAYChi_Bears Poles does make strange moves with qb's. Signing Walker before the 2023 season {as the #2} was baffling, and when training camp started, it only got worse!! Poles did however "catch lightening in a bottle", by signing Bagent, as a udfa!! Some of Poles moves, make little to no sense, so you are correct, with the premise that he could be exploring trading Bagent!!
I think bears are scared that if William get hurt and baget gets in and lights it up, there would be a controversy
The fact that he’s NO LONGER behind Mahomes, tells you all you need to know. If he’s NOT good enough to back up Mahomes, why would you get rid of a quality B/U QB, for a guy on the street?
Money maybe, opportunity?
You forgot to include the Jets Rogers isn't the long term solution.
This is true
They should get rid of Keenan Allen before Bagent! Bagent will probably be very important for a couple of games this year!
We'll see
With this line any play could be Williams last due to Poles refusing to draft oline man and not signing the right free agents. Bagent Will most likely play in Six games this year due to a Williams injury. You do not trade Bagent !!!!!!!!!
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What could have been?????
The haul and still gotten the second best QB in draft.
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They’ll trade him. If not during this season it’ll be before the next season or after his contract is up. Tyson has already hinted at him wanting to compete somewhere for a starting role
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This isn't good news to me. I'm happy for Bagent if he could be a QB1 somewhere, but as for the team this year, we never know if Caleb can stay healthy with this line and one lineman won't fix our problems now especially if we're not playing as one! Wright has been looking horrible against the run. Tevin always has injury issues, and they can't seem to make Davis do his job for the money he makes! Should've traded that #9 pick in the draft and got 2 quality linemen.👊🐻👇
This trade would hopefully help eliminate his chances of getting hurt
Why did you put Tyson in number 17 said take care Williams Tyson sometimes
What?
Keep Bagent it would be stupid to trade him. You're properly developing him by sitting him on the sidelines. He has heart, too. We, Chicago fans, need to relax. We want results too quickly. Besides the coaching staff, we fans are a big problem too. We create the market, relax!
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I find it hard to believe that there aren’t some free agent offensive linemen on the street who would be better than the players that we have… seems short sighted to trade Tyson.
The point of this video is to trade Bagent to get key OL help so Williams doesn't get hurt.
How about trading Beijing Jones and Herbert? This year's first round pick for that offensive lineman from the raiders max Crosby.
And then the bears a receive a third round. Pick this year or next year from the raiders. Now that would be a fair pic
Interesting
@JAYChi_Bears My phone is kind of retarded when I talk to it to text but what I meant was regent Jones and Herbert This year's first round pick in return , we get the Offensive lineman from the raiders that j was talking about and we Get max Crosby. Now that's a super fucking great deal
How about they work out every Oline guy out there and hope they find magic in a bottle instead of considering giving up Bagent. Only way to consider a trade would be quality Oline help and a second round pick. No less.
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Should have never drafted Williams. Poles, Eberflus, and Waldron should all be fired. Should have taken 3 1st's and a couple seconds instead. Bagent is cheap and very lucky to get him undrafted. Could have had the entire O line fixed and future picks left over, but no that wasn't good enough. Im tired of the flat out incompetence and stupidity of this team. Wish San Antonio/Austin could get an expansion team. I'd drop the Bears in a heart beat. They dont give a damn about us fans. It's just too stupid supporting the Bears.
it's week 3 and caleb williams had the 11th most passing yards in bears history last sunday. listen to yourself. this is ridiculous to be acting this way so early in the year.
Was pounding the table for this but no one wants to listen
@@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo He threw the ball 52 times man. That's why.
Its because the bears have gone woke,im about to start watching whatever other game is on when they play...lol
It's about the money 💰 🤑. Bro, Chicago was not going to pay Justin all that money, and they are building a new stadium.
The front office has no idea what they doing why would you trade one of the best back up QB for OL help is that really the best they can do to get OL help C.W is getting beat up what happens if he gets hurt T.B is a good QB who knows the offense has a nice strong arm can make plays with his legs this front office is horrible maybe they curse like the Cubs was until they finally got it right this is ridiculous especially after seeing a lot of star QB who got hurt last year
trading your backup to address a key area so your starting QB can have better protection is a bad idea?
guess what we could have got for field s now at 3 and 0
I don’t agree. He’s in a system better for him now. Not sure it would have worked here
Why did we not sign Conor Williams? $3 million guaranteed, doesn’t sound like a bad deal up to 6 with incentives. We could’ve definitely swung this deal, I think this was a missed opportunity from poles.
Cause we’re dumb