I'm in the market for a compact motorhome but I just can't justify paying more for a second hand vehicle than what it cost brand new several years ago!🤔🙄
Forget pre COVID prices... different world now. Climate change as well is accelerating, plus pandemic risk is still very high. I don't think there will be any crash. Just maybe stagnation or less price rises.
I’ve had my Chausson for nearly 4 years. Bought it with 120 miles on the clock. It’s only done 4200 miles now and am part exchanging it this month for a full size Ducato campervan and I’m getting £3k more than I paid for it. Great investment 👌🏽👌🏽
Yes but you are also paying about 6 k more for your new van than you would have done when the bought the one you are pix , so in reality you have lost about 3k.
Even well before covid, in 2013 I bought a Hymer motorhome for £20,000,kept it for 3 years and did an epic 3 months trip around Europe, sold it for £19,500.
Interesting video. What would be helpful would be a video on selling a motorhome and what the ratio is between forecourt price and the value the seller gets, particularly if the seller is not replacing.
Yes, exactly. I'm going through that exercise now trying to sell a 7 month old Adria Compact which was wrong for us and is now 14 months old. A significant loss of around 17% between what I paid, and cash in my pocket or part ex price. Only 10% loss between price I paid and the price the buyer will pay. Maybe I should have tried to sell it myself with all the risks and hassles? Jason's exercise is very interesting though just looking at how prices have changed. Not what you get back. The wrong layout certainly cost us dearly. But, man, we had an epic 16 week tour of Europe in 11 countries and 6,500 miles. As Mastercard adverts used to say "priceless"! The other point is, if we'd kept the motorhome for longer, no doubt our loss would have been less.
I looked at a Hymer 314 in 2019. It was a 2018 model and it was up for £49,995. I looked at a 2017 one at the same dealer this month and it was £59,995.
With the Roma home, we need to remember 20£k 20 years ago was worth a lot more than 20k£ in todays inflationary times. But I get your point non the less a worthwhile video
I've got a 2020 Auto trail vline 540, its like new and only done 9000 miles. I am seriously thinking of switching to a compact with a drop down bed. Good to know the price/cost to change it might not be too high. Very helpful video.
The best investment is a camper van hold there value and sometimes apericiate and most mobile homes deprecate a little bit and l have noticed before l started watching this channel is that camper vans in Australia are worth much more than the basic van second hand would be at least twice as much so motor homes and camper vans are a wise investment
Very interesting. Thank you. We have a Bürstner, 4 berth from 2014, one or two bits of cosmetics needed, but for our needs, ok and pretty cheap. I think the original owners lost a lot. We are based in Switzerland, which is expensive anyway.
A good motorhome will pay for itself in 5 years if you live in it full-time. If you take mortgage or rent plus electricity rates home insurance over 5 years it will buy you a great motorhome. Then although your motorhome will be worth less it will still be worth something. If you rent or pay mortgage you need a car anyway. Alot of people in Australia and New Zealand are making the move out of houses and apartments to motorhomes for this reason. Cheaper living and a sellable asset.
Hiya Jason, many thanks for this Vlog. I am interested in getting a Bailey Adamo 69 -4. And I was amazed when you featured it. I am really happy and impressed with the price examples you gave, with the fact that the Motorhome market has been so buoyant since 2020, do you currently see the used and new prices starting to stabilise? Am impressed also with how their price hasn't changed too much. How much residual funds would you recommend to purchase a Motorhome (Bailey Adamo 69 - 4) so for deposit, storage, servicing, tax, insurance, this might be another video lol. It'd be interesting to know what I need to get the ball rolling please. Thank you all.
Buy a motor home to use it, the holidays and experience can be fab so how do you put a value on that. The prices are now falling if they are tatty or basic version
Been following for a while as I contemplate my 'one-man' retirement plan, but this tells me the idea of a campervan/auto-sleeper simply isn't worth it. (I really can't see how they can be reliable enough to warrant the price.) Just too many people on the planet chasing dreams. Ah well. Backpack and hostels it is.
Interesting video, used prices remain high because of the big increse in new prices. At some point in the future they will all be worth scap, maybe £1000, as with most things timing is everything. Think of them asd an investment in leisure
Interesting video Jason, thank you. We’ve got a self build T5 to get us started and we’ll be coming to you for the upgrade when the time is ready. I wonder if they hold their value? Is there still a market for a self build?
I was in your position. After researching loads, I've upgraded to a better "self-build" & saved thousands against a brand name. I also sold my self build for £750 less than I paid 6 years ago!
😂Good investment 😂 2 mths ago new pegaso 590 84000 pounds now same vehicle same dealer 74995 great investment, i sold my arto 88f 94k dealer put 36k pounds on top he sold on gumtree at 5k loss total greed and dealers going skint. Caravan parks 50. 60 quid a night all GREED will be collapse...
Not realistic short term , I have cv 40 two years old paid 54000 only 2000 miles on clock, now 10000 miles . If I sold now realistically looking at 50000 , 4000 loss
When newer EV battery tech finally comes and we see electric vans with diesel like ranges at similar new prices I think the market will crash badly on diesel campers. That is probably a long way off but could be sooner than we think.
Maybe it would be a good idear & realistic value of these vans if you tell us exactly how much You bought these for , also let us know if they were bought from private or auctions. As that IS the True value of these or indeed vehicles in general in my belief.
Agree totally with you in 11 months after paying £60,000 we was offered by same dealer £45,000. Plus loads of hidden costs we had to buy a tracker and have alarm fitted before we could even get insured costing £1,200. Then monthly cost of tracker. Monthly finance. Yearly insurance and tax. Then look into cost of mot and service. Habitation service. And if you need anything like new tyres leisure battery etc. All.looks great at first but in reality isn't.
love you and your team. in this video i'm dissappointed you don't take into consideration the effects of massive temporary inflation 22/23 due to covid lockdowns (not the virus but our government policy). manufacturing & supply chain damaged. 5 years ago. or from next year your argument will be reversed.
good bit of info and agree with it all but you have to pay an extortionate amount of money to begin with . the little romahome is probably the best of the lot 20 years later but i think the market will crash eventually the way the economy is going its only a matter of time
I don't believe motorhomes can be considered a good investment. I'm going through that exercise now trying to sell an Adria Compact I've had for 7 months and added 7 000 miles. which is wrong for us, it is now 14 months old with 8,000 miles and fully specced. A significant loss of around 17% between what I paid, and cash in my pocket or part ex price. Only 10% loss between price I paid and the price the buyer will pay. Maybe I should have tried to sell it myself with all the risks and hassles? Jason's exercise is very interesting though just looking at how prices have changed. Not what you get back. The wrong layout certainly cost us dearly. But, man, we had an epic 16 week tour of Europe in 11 countries and 6,500 miles. As Mastercard adverts used to say "priceless"! The other point is, if we keep the motorhome for longer, no doubt our loss would have been less. But I'll take the loss, but down a wee bit, but buy better because we love the life and know better what our requirements are and how we use the moho.
And if you take in the inflation from the last couple of years you are still loosing out. And like a car a motorhome is still a terrible investment. But who cares you buy them to have fun, not to become rich.
When you visit any seaside resort in the UK they are now full of the rodents in their campers, they are everywhere. In the past you had the odd few it wasn't an issue you never thought about it you barely noticed them or took any notice, but now? It is only a matter of time before they all get banned, I mean it, give it time and NONE of them will be allowed anywhere near any seaside resort and the market will crash off a cliff.
I cannot agree with your analysis. Investing financially means initial outlay plus a percentage on top. That's a good investment Ask Warren Buffet if he knowingly would give away money and not get it back. The leisure vehicle market is driven by a dream and dealers are feeding on those dreams. Ask this, would you buy a 10 year old hatchback car for more than it's original price or the same car for a 25% markup. No, it's a bad return. Bodywork parts for a 20 year old van would be scarce and expensive. Insurance wouldn't cover it and would write off.
It’s still only a good investment for your well-being and health(health is wealth)…. But not really a good financial investment as you’re not accounting for running costs and depreciation due to inflation, but I get your jist 👍
Beware There a very poor investment in just 11 months after paying £60,000 for a 2020 auto trail Imala same dealer offered us only £45,000. Van In immaculate condition well looked after was our pride and joy then for health reasons our hopes and dreams and our pension savings gone.
Big question What's going to happen when all these expensive motorhomes have to go electric to save the Planet😂 won't they be penalising you to drive a diesel motorhome🤔 wherever you go it will cost you too much money to run them controversial😂😂 love your motorhomes👍
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I'm in the market for a compact motorhome but I just can't justify paying more for a second hand vehicle than what it cost brand new several years ago!🤔🙄
Forget pre COVID prices... different world now. Climate change as well is accelerating, plus pandemic risk is still very high. I don't think there will be any crash. Just maybe stagnation or less price rises.
I’ve had my Chausson for nearly 4 years. Bought it with 120 miles on the clock. It’s only done 4200 miles now and am part exchanging it this month for a full size Ducato campervan and I’m getting £3k more than I paid for it. Great investment 👌🏽👌🏽
Yes but you are also paying about 6 k more for your new van than you would have done when the bought the one you are pix , so in reality you have lost about 3k.
Thanks for sharing Steve 👍
Great honest and realistic review as always. All the best guys 👍
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Our IH campervan cost us £57k last March, we are looking for a coach built now, we’ve been offered £40k trade in, good investment ? I don’t think so.
Even well before covid, in 2013 I bought a Hymer motorhome for £20,000,kept it for 3 years and did an epic 3 months trip around Europe, sold it for £19,500.
Thats great Mowtown 👍
NEVER MIND the investment... GIVE me the money to buy ANY one of them !! Love you videos !!!
Cheers Phil glad you enjoy watching us 😃
Interesting video. What would be helpful would be a video on selling a motorhome and what the ratio is between forecourt price and the value the seller gets, particularly if the seller is not replacing.
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Loved our Auto Sleeper Dorset, still regret changing it! Sold it (or should I say traded at trade value) for more than it cost new 13 years ago!
Great stuff Matt 👍
The retail price is very different from the trade in price that a dealer would give you if you sold the van to them.
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Yes, exactly. I'm going through that exercise now trying to sell a 7 month old Adria Compact which was wrong for us and is now 14 months old. A significant loss of around 17% between what I paid, and cash in my pocket or part ex price. Only 10% loss between price I paid and the price the buyer will pay. Maybe I should have tried to sell it myself with all the risks and hassles? Jason's exercise is very interesting though just looking at how prices have changed. Not what you get back. The wrong layout certainly cost us dearly. But, man, we had an epic 16 week tour of Europe in 11 countries and 6,500 miles. As Mastercard adverts used to say "priceless"! The other point is, if we'd kept the motorhome for longer, no doubt our loss would have been less.
I looked at a Hymer 314 in 2019. It was a 2018 model and it was up for £49,995. I looked at a 2017 one at the same dealer this month and it was £59,995.
With the Roma home, we need to remember 20£k 20 years ago was worth a lot more than 20k£ in todays inflationary times. But I get your point non the less a worthwhile video
Thanks for watching 👍
I've got a 2020 Auto trail vline 540, its like new and only done 9000 miles. I am seriously thinking of switching to a compact with a drop down bed. Good to know the price/cost to change it might not be too high. Very helpful video.
Glad i helped Mick 👍
The best investment is a camper van hold there value and sometimes apericiate and most mobile homes deprecate a little bit and l have noticed before l started watching this channel is that camper vans in Australia are worth much more than the basic van second hand would be at least twice as much so motor homes and camper vans are a wise investment
Very true Les 👍
Very interesting. Thank you. We have a Bürstner, 4 berth from 2014, one or two bits of cosmetics needed, but for our needs, ok and pretty cheap. I think the original owners lost a lot. We are based in Switzerland, which is expensive anyway.
Sounds great! Winger 😃
They hold their price well if you look after them , ✌️
Very true Roy 😃
A good motorhome will pay for itself in 5 years if you live in it full-time.
If you take mortgage or rent plus electricity rates home insurance over 5 years it will buy you a great motorhome.
Then although your motorhome will be worth less it will still be worth something.
If you rent or pay mortgage you need a car anyway.
Alot of people in Australia and New Zealand are making the move out of houses and apartments to motorhomes for this reason.
Cheaper living and a sellable asset.
Certainly is Ricky, a much cheaper way of life.😃
Hiya Jason, many thanks for this Vlog. I am interested in getting a Bailey Adamo 69 -4. And I was amazed when you featured it. I am really happy and impressed with the price examples you gave, with the fact that the Motorhome market has been so buoyant since 2020, do you currently see the used and new prices starting to stabilise? Am impressed also with how their price hasn't changed too much.
How much residual funds would you recommend to purchase a Motorhome (Bailey Adamo 69 - 4) so for deposit, storage, servicing, tax, insurance, this might be another video lol. It'd be interesting to know what I need to get the ball rolling please. Thank you all.
Buy a motor home to use it, the holidays and experience can be fab so how do you put a value on that. The prices are now falling if they are tatty or basic version
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Very interesting, thanks for doing the research.
Glad you enjoyed it!😃
Been following for a while as I contemplate my 'one-man' retirement plan, but this tells me the idea of a campervan/auto-sleeper simply isn't worth it. (I really can't see how they can be reliable enough to warrant the price.) Just too many people on the planet chasing dreams. Ah well. Backpack and hostels it is.
Interesting video, used prices remain high because of the big increse in new prices. At some point in the future they will all be worth scap, maybe £1000, as with most things timing is everything. Think of them asd an investment in leisure
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A brand new Swift select campervan 2 berth in NZ is $173,000 up
(£86,500)
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Interesting video Jason, thank you. We’ve got a self build T5 to get us started and we’ll be coming to you for the upgrade when the time is ready. I wonder if they hold their value? Is there still a market for a self build?
I was in your position. After researching loads, I've upgraded to a better "self-build" & saved thousands against a brand name.
I also sold my self build for £750 less than I paid 6 years ago!
😂Good investment 😂 2 mths ago new pegaso 590 84000 pounds now same vehicle same dealer 74995 great investment, i sold my arto 88f 94k dealer put 36k pounds on top he sold on gumtree at 5k loss total greed and dealers going skint. Caravan parks 50. 60 quid a night all GREED will be collapse...
Not realistic short term , I have cv 40 two years old paid 54000 only 2000 miles on clock, now 10000 miles . If I sold now realistically looking at 50000 , 4000 loss
Interesting video Jason
Glad you enjoyed it user-me9 👍
When newer EV battery tech finally comes and we see electric vans with diesel like ranges at similar new prices I think the market will crash badly on diesel campers. That is probably a long way off but could be sooner than we think.
Yes Ruff it won't be for sometime yet 👍
They will be too heavy to drive on an ordinary licence due to the additional weight of the batteries they will exceed the 3.500kg
Maybe it would be a good idear & realistic value of these vans if you tell us exactly how much You bought these for , also let us know if they were bought from private or auctions. As that IS the True value of these or indeed vehicles in general in my belief.
Agree totally with you in 11 months after paying £60,000 we was offered by same dealer £45,000.
Plus loads of hidden costs we had to buy a tracker and have alarm fitted before we could even get insured costing £1,200. Then monthly cost of tracker. Monthly finance. Yearly insurance and tax.
Then look into cost of mot and service. Habitation service. And if you need anything like new tyres leisure battery etc.
All.looks great at first but in reality isn't.
love you and your team. in this video i'm dissappointed you don't take into consideration the effects of massive temporary inflation 22/23 due to covid lockdowns (not the virus but our government policy). manufacturing & supply chain damaged. 5 years ago. or from next year your argument will be reversed.
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Great information I would still get a motorhome not a van
Your welcome Ellen 😃
great video guys I love that A class 👍
Thanks 👍
good bit of info and agree with it all but you have to pay an extortionate amount of money to begin with . the little romahome is probably the best of the lot 20 years later but i think the market will crash eventually the way the economy is going its only a matter of time
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But the vw new is about 80k, 3 year olds are about 50k, that's a lot of deprecation
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I don't believe motorhomes can be considered a good investment. I'm going through that exercise now trying to sell an Adria Compact I've had for 7 months and added 7 000 miles. which is wrong for us, it is now 14 months old with 8,000 miles and fully specced. A significant loss of around 17% between what I paid, and cash in my pocket or part ex price. Only 10% loss between price I paid and the price the buyer will pay. Maybe I should have tried to sell it myself with all the risks and hassles? Jason's exercise is very interesting though just looking at how prices have changed. Not what you get back. The wrong layout certainly cost us dearly. But, man, we had an epic 16 week tour of Europe in 11 countries and 6,500 miles. As Mastercard adverts used to say "priceless"! The other point is, if we keep the motorhome for longer, no doubt our loss would have been less. But I'll take the loss, but down a wee bit, but buy better because we love the life and know better what our requirements are and how we use the moho.
And if you take in the inflation from the last couple of years you are still loosing out. And like a car a motorhome is still a terrible investment.
But who cares you buy them to have fun, not to become rich.
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Another good video 👏👏👍👍👍
Thanks again! Jimmy 👍
Or....buy a part converted transit. Fit a pop top, lithiums etc and be £16k in and saved a hell of a lot of cash!
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When you visit any seaside resort in the UK they are now full of the rodents in their campers, they are everywhere. In the past you had the odd few it wasn't an issue you never thought about it you barely noticed them or took any notice, but now? It is only a matter of time before they all get banned, I mean it, give it time and NONE of them will be allowed anywhere near any seaside resort and the market will crash off a cliff.
Hi there it's not just seaside resorts, They are everywhere more so than a few years ago 👍
I cannot agree with your analysis.
Investing financially means initial outlay plus a percentage on top. That's a good investment
Ask Warren Buffet if he knowingly would give away money and not get it back.
The leisure vehicle market is driven by a dream and dealers are feeding on those dreams.
Ask this, would you buy a 10 year old hatchback car for more than it's original price or the same car for a 25% markup.
No, it's a bad return.
Bodywork parts for a 20 year old van would be scarce and expensive. Insurance wouldn't cover it and would write off.
Interesting video, what you done with Kev?🤔🤔
Kev is back now 😃
It’s still only a good investment for your well-being and health(health is wealth)…. But not really a good financial investment as you’re not accounting for running costs and depreciation due to inflation, but I get your jist 👍
It’s a great financial investment I paid £45k for my swift motorhome 4 years ago I rent it out it’s paid fir itself and I get £900 a week extra cash
Build your own for a fraction of these prices
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Hello from brasil
Brazil Brush boom boom …..😂
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Really good video video mate as normal. Can I get a one berth so I can go on my own 😂😂😂
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Beware
There a very poor investment in just 11 months after paying £60,000 for a 2020 auto trail Imala same dealer offered us only £45,000.
Van In immaculate condition well looked after was our pride and joy then for health reasons our hopes and dreams and our pension savings gone.
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Big question What's going to happen when all these expensive motorhomes have to go electric to save the Planet😂 won't they be penalising you to drive a diesel motorhome🤔 wherever you go it will cost you too much money to run them controversial😂😂 love your motorhomes👍
It’s never going to happen. Electric vehicles just aren’t feasible plus are only clean at end product. The electricity used isn’t green 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Corporate greed.
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Does anyone buy one of these as an ‘investment’? They are for enjoyment, adventure and fun. If you have saved the money go and enjoy it!
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thank god you said 'maths' and not 'math'😄
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