Delta Tested Boss "Shorty"Shells

Delta staffer Kyle Wintersteen puts the copper-plated bismuth within Boss Shotshells to the test in the duck blind and on a pattern board.
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[@nickb8618]

The real plus of bismuth over steel is you don’t get the effect of wind as much on the pellet. Steel will drift and lose velocity the windier it is and well duck hunting and wind go hand in hand

[@caydendebois4281]

cant a trust a man thats shoots a savage renegauge lol

[@jonathanhoward1497]

It is a interesting shotgun. I don't know why they spent the money to bring to market a shotgun that can't shoot 3 1/2" shells, but then again I'm sure their college educated marketing team laughs at me because I don't have a college degree.

[@saltcreekammo]

I handload 1-1/4 and 1-3/8 ounce loads of steel #BB at 1500-1600 FPS and forget about it... Never had an issue with absolutely stoning birds, even at distance... Steel can be lethal, you just need to up your pellet size, payload weight and velocity (if you can).

[@joshsinglefooter]

BOS WILL SUE YOU

[@kross1261]

I was close to buying bismuth/Boss but have seen and heard too many conflicting reviews. So I did the math. Boss bismuth at 9.6 density is moving at 1350 FPS and many steel loads 7.9 density at about a1/3 the price are moving at 1500-1550 FPS. So considering the difference in density along with the extra speed from the steel there’s really no substantial gain unless the bismuth throws a better pattern which from all I’ve seen it usually doesn’t. I was lucky found some Tungsten 19.3 density loads at about 70% off I’ll use for late season honkers. Otherwise I’m sticking to steel for now.

[@ortho4252]

I believe you're forgetting that more dense shot carries energy further and delivers the energy to the target more effectively. Speed isn't everything

[@kross1261]

@@ortho4252 no that’s pretty much exactly what I’m saying is the small difference in density is negated by the extra speed of many of the steel loads. Blue Collar outdoors did a comparison between Boss and cheap steel moving 1550 at 35 yards I believe. Same size shot straight up. Penetration was as good or slightly better with the steel in ballistics jell. Maybe at further distances this would even out or bismuth might have a “slight” advantage. But the density isn’t that much greater with Bismuth over steel.

[@ortho4252]

@@kross1261 but you forget that the steel penetrates further because of the speed which just means it'll travel through the target and it doesn't transfer its energy efficiently to the target. The bismuth will lose it's speed because it has more weight but transfer the energy to the target better hitting harder and creating better wound channels. Think a heavier 30-06 load (180g) is used for large game like an elk but you can get a light load (110g) for coyotes in the same caliber

[@kross1261]

@@ortho4252 unless you get complete pass through that argument isn’t really valid. Also bismuth isn’t that much denser than steel like I mentioned above and it doesn’t deform like lead or tungsten (it shatters)to create a bigger wound channel or transfer more energy. You caliber comparison would be closer if you were to say both shooting a 30.06 a 140 grain bullet (fast 1500+ FPS steel)at 3100 FPS or 160 grain bullet (bismuth 1350 FPS boss) at 2700 FPS.

[@ortho4252]

@@kross1261 but you're ignoring the characteristics of steel. You don't shoot a soft target with an fmj over a soft point. Penetration isn't everything

[@TWHunt]

WRONG!! How does #5 bismuth have comparable density to #3 steel? Bismuth and steel have completely different density regardless of pellet size. There is so much false information regarding pellets and density. Please as the "Duck Hunter's Organization" don't spread anymore falsehoods, the waterfowling community has enough as it is.

[@colepellegrin5491]

Alright a lot to unpack here. The only thing you are correct about is that steel and bismuth have different densities, but you’ve stated it in a false manner. He said the 2 3/4 #5 shot is comparable to a regular 3 inch #3 shot meaning they are packed to have almost the density and weight. Although the two metals have different densities the weights and masses of the two shells can be the same. Please don’t try to correct someone when you don’t understand completely what was said and/or understand the actual basic science of mass, density, and volume of object.

[@TWHunt]

@@colepellegrin5491 2:20 listen to what he says. Either he’s mistaking what he wants to say or you need to give him a physics lesson, not me...

[@huntergreen9448]

#5 bismuth is (performance wise) equal to shooting #3 steel. That is due to the density of bismuth. You can drop shot size, meaning gaining pellet count while retaining the performance of higher shot sizes in steel. Same with people using #9 TSS for turkey. It's comparable in performance to #5 lead. I found it pretty understandable in the video. Think someone just had a lack of understanding.

[@TWHunt]

@@huntergreen9448 all different metals, all have different density.

[@huntergreen9448]

@@TWHunt exactly.....