I would like to record a kick drum or even the snare using a cheap pyle pdmic78, i would also like to try it on a 4 track machine to do some nice lofi drums
Thank you Warren. I just started building my home studio a couple years ago. I have purchased only gear you approve. Everything works so well and I am so happy with it. You saved me a lot of money by not purchasing things that don't work. Thanks for all you do!
It seems like a solid in-line preamp; this would be a good choice just for Soyuz's build quality. For coloration, it makes sense if you want to run everything through it, but otherwise I could only see myself using it on sources with high end that needs to be tamed, and possibly going for a hybrid digitally bright/analog subtle filtering experimental production and mix.
I've used the soyuz on electric guitar (surf vibe) with a ribbon, lead male vocals with a beta 58, and a drum room mic (ribbon). I didn't do any kind of A/B testing, but I've really loved the sound and vibe of the tracks.
These things always get written up like magic sauce, but it just sounds like light compression - glues things together slightly, warmer low end. Very, very subtle though
Funny, a few days ago I was seriously thinking about putting an audio transformer between two XLR-connectors in a small metal box. Honestly, no active components, but including a small high pass filter. I'm looking forward to listening to and playing with the multitracks. Thanks!
So, I've downloaded the tracks, listened to it with either monitors or headphones, you can notice It adds a subtle warmth to each track and kinda subtly darkens it. As you said it's suble, but makes a quite noticable and pleasant difference at the end. That's a really cool object for sure !
I downloaded the multitrack, listened in my monitors and in a good pair of headphones and here is my veredict: the soyuz launcher makes sounds steadier, specially if you are adding them. The mix sounds more ready, more rounded, fuller, even louder. It's a subtle difference, but it was enough to put a smile in my face.
I actually like the subtlety that it adds. It rounds out the transients in a good way. I could see a use for it and it seems a better investment than a plugin as it almost costs the same but does it bit more.
@@Producelikeapro you're welcome anytime. I have learned a lot from watching your channel and thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom with us.
Something I've figured out about having one of these units, the Soyuz or the Royer DB-20, SE Dynamite thing, or a Cloudlifter, it can solve an issue with when you want to use a dynamic mic and a condenser mic together on a source into an inexpensive consumer audio interface. Such interfaces usually have phantom power either on or off for all the inputs. The booster requires phantom power to run but doesn't pass it through and so it is for dynamic and ribbon(passive) mics. So, you turn on phantom power, one input runs your condenser mic and the other your booster box with your dynamic mic. This also may be of benefit by bringing the dynamic's level up to the condenser mics level. (This isn't an issue on higher end interfaces with phantom power on sets or individual inputs of course.)
without more air on high and a little sharper at the bottom . just like difference in re20 vs re320 on minimal settings. gives softer, rounded tone (writing this on 10 min of the video)
Yeah! Definitley subtle, but I can her it, thinking if you did a full track with every instrument through it, esepcially on kit, you'd hear a wonderful lift for sure! Great little device!
To my ears, it's like applying a plugin to all the tracks. Or sending all the tracks thru a plugin that "Does Something Interesting". Like he said, using it on every tracks would 'lift' all the tracks into the mix. Subtle is more fun, anyway.
I'm waiting for a replacement lead for my decent Sennheiser headphones to listen to this again because I can't hear any difference whatsoever on cheap ear buds. If that Soyux is doing something to the sound, it's not doing very much.
Just downloaded the files, thanks for these! The volume is not perfectly matched on every track (that is why you probably got a big difference when summing the mix). If you match the volumes the difference pretty much goes away and actually what is happening is that there is MORE noise in the Soyuz tracks (listen to the tails at the end when volume matched). So the added noise can sometimes give a perception of "analog" or "sheen" (I often add noise to recordings or VSTi for added realism). I wouldn't recommend this since it even adds noise compared to preamps only. Thanks again for the test!
what do you mean for noise? noise and analog is different....you also fond noise in analog.....fuller, fatter.....stereo image wider, less crowded...talk to us....
I don't have the best ears. The difference was very subtle to me. I actually didn't notice when it switched from with the Soyuz to without. When you brought the Soyuz back in though I did notice a bit fuller attack but very minimal.
So very very subtle...... the most obvious difference to me(still subtle) was on acoustic. Without it there was a tiny bit more top end sparkle. Really is about accumulative effect. It does make a slight difference. For me personally, I wouldn't spend the $200 on that. Good solid product, but for that money I'd buy another Fathead Ribbon, or a good 2ch interface. Just my 2cents
How about clipping through it? The main reason I use my analog gear is to clip as the analog in/out has a 18db headroom as the sound source is increased into the headroom the more that analog effect kicks in. If I run all my tracks through the analog and back in to the DAW at 0 which is -18db in the digital realm there is next to no difference added, so to have a more obvious colour/saturation/silk/sheen/thickening. There has got to be a sweet spot (point of difference) for the SL Whats your thoughts Warren?
It seems like it makes a slight difference in transients. Notice in the attempt to null it out, it DID null out more and more into the sustains of the notes, and the pick attack of the acoustic sounded almost like you had an expander on it when it was as nulles as you could get it.
There's a very subtle reduction in the attack of the notes with the Launcher. Almost like a compressor without the squeeze. Warren, is this the same kind of impact a 1073 style preamp has on the signal as well? It seems like the transformer introduced to the audio would function similarly.
I think 1073's have an interesting EQ curve with a little cut in the low mids (even when eq is flat and everything is at 0), but then they replace this cut with lots of harmonics from low-end, this Soyuz thingey is definitely less colourfull in that sense but it still introduces a little bit of saturation aka natural compression. So yes, i think it is similar, but not exactly similar.
Yes, it definitely colours the sound, although as Alexey is saying below, not as much as a 1073. I'm going to try it more frequently and see what results I can get!
@@Producelikeapro Warren are you still using this box? I'm debating springing for one before i splurge for the SSL big six console, but i feel like I'd be buying something just to have something new rather than waiting to completely upgrade the centerpiece of the studio. anyway great vid and thanks!!
"yeah, I said it", I think this little box sounds great, I'd love to be able to buy an 8 channel version. I'll get one for sure in the future, I own a Zulu passive analog tape simulator, it's a stereo version, I use while tracking and then again when mixing, these kinds of boxes add something special for sure.
@@Producelikeapro Actually I messed up the tracks. I thing that the launcher gives saturation. Sorry. It's interesting that old records are more saturated and more dynamic.
I stopped around 9:30 during the acoustics to write this.....I THOUGHT I heard something in the lower mid / mid-range happening with the Launcher, but I am sure now that I heard it in solo.....it is adding "weight" to the tracks, BUT it sounds like it is building up when all the tracks are played....OK, off to watch some more of the vid...
Warren: “It gives you more of a, I don’t know, analog sound. Yeah I said.” Us: HE SAID IT! YES HE SAID IT! Keep up the amazing work Warren, love your demos and videos.
Even with everything playing I can ONLY hear very subtle changes on my studiomonitors and headphones. I can't hear it on individual tracks blind. So to me this product has a bit misleading marketing, but I'm glad you've tested it thoroughly.
One caveat: I really like the Launcher. It's a solid product but be careful to listen to your source and whether it may be better served cleaner. If it works better with color then cool but just don't use it to use it, ya' know? Also, it doesn't need to be hit very hard before you can get transformer "ring". It ruined a vocal take once, which was fine, on a session I did and we had to switch it out. Just FYI- As always, use your ears.
thank you, warren. subtle, indeed. probably useful on a case by case basis, depending upon the subjective goals for the mix. could definitely be an upgrade to prosumer level interfaces. as always, the effectiveness of any tool lies in the hands (and ears) of the craftsman (or craftswoman). cheers!
@@gbaxter6465 Thanks for the heads up. Actually coming after the summing mixer is usually around mic level, which is why you have to use a preamp after the mixer to get it back to line level (requires about 25+db gain). My thoughts were to replace my preamp choices with the Soyuz, and then use a preamp after for any additional makeup gain remaining.
Amazing how Warren can play guitars right and left-handed :-) I like inline preamps as they make my cheap (but good) ribbon mics usable for vocals and acoustic guitar as my old Slam just doesn't have enough gain, although I think most of them aim to be as transparent as possible. I think the Launcher is great if you're recording directly into your interface instead of going through a vintage-style preamp. Otherwise, something like the Cloud Lifter or Dynamite might be preferable. I hope everyone knows that you can't use it on any mic that requires phantom power.
Good grief that's a subtle difference! I'm not even sure if I generally like it more with or without. I guess I'm not in the target market. Nice test though, very interesting!
Looks like a cool variation to the Cloud-Lifters or FetHeads that could lend itself nicely to many mics/instruments i'm sure, or heck, even various interface preamps on the way in. As you said, it's a subtle change, but it looks like it adds ups to a pleasant overall thickness, and mellower top... which couId be a compliment to a variety of genres, or I could totally see it's color being brought out even more with strategic EQ/Compressors/Exciters/etc. I bet it would be neat on a vocals. Especially if it's a full Vox array with a multi-tracked Vox + BG Vox, & Harmony support tracks. Really nice little piece of kit! Also let me give you props, that was a Rad little on the spot improv track there sir! I was digging the vibe. I tend to really like Electric Guitar arrangements with an Acoustic Guitar rhythm support part giving it that sorta supportive "bite" & timbre/articulation range. Just out of curiosity, how does this color the signal compared to the Cloud-Lifters w/ the Variable Impedance? I've never tried Vari-Z Cld-Lfters, but I figure you possibly have, so I figure it's worth an ask. Anyway, Great Video! Appreciate the demonstration!
Wow, when this first went up I couldn't really hear a difference using headphones but now listening today on iLoud monitors I clearly hear it in the full mix. It definitely sounds warmer, and adds a bit more depth and slightly widens the stereo width. Without it, sounds more sterile/cold, stereo width closes in a tiny bit, a bit more 2D. The full mix almost sounds like it has too much warmth so I could see it being overdone if you put it on everything or depending on the genre. But then again like you said, it's not mixed so maybe if it was fully mixed that would be different. just my .02
It's a subtle but nice difference. I use a cloudlifter CL1 with my sm7, it would be nice to compare both. If you don't have a high gain clean pre you need one of these boosters with the sm7 or with passive ribbons.
I was looking at a BAE device ..similar thing ..i think it was a decent transformer i do believe...i thought it would be nice to liven up the digital signal a bit. I'd need 2 ...they're a couple of hundred quid each.
How can you NOT hear the difference? Maybe as a mixing engineer i just learned to notice small things but seriously- if you guys are not hearing the weight this thing is adding - change what you’re using to listen to it or train your ears
@@Producelikeapro Ya welcome ...love the content ...but the generosity of track downloads is very cool too - i am learning A LOT .the 1% theory does add up...i am really taking note
So wait at I understanding that you run phantom power into that box and you have dynamic mics plugged into that? I always thought phantom power hurt dynamic mics and ribbon mics?
The phantom power is being utilized by the Soyuz device (active electronics) - the voltage never makes it to the microphone. Other active boxes operate the same way (Cloud, etc). 👊🏼🦁
Big Kick LEO hey thanks! My Scarlett 18i20 only allows for channel 1-4 to be engaged with phantom or 5-8 which means sometimes only using 6 microphones on a kit because I didn’t want to damage my equipment. This makes me really happy. Thank you
I find the effect much more than subtle! Honestly when it's used on every track it seems to make the mix almost to dense and to lose some definition. Any source send to get some really cool color from it but I wouldn't want to use it on everything in a song.
Hi Dallas, thanks for your comment! I didn't do any EQ or Compression at all to either set, so yes, agreed the weight it adds isn't perfect on everything, however, it's good to have it there and then remove rather than not all all!
@@Producelikeapro That's a great point, thanks for the reply! I'm always learning from your channel, so thanks for the great content. Think we have a mutual friend in my long time buddy George @Creative World Recording, hes a wonderful wealth of knowledge too. We are all very fortunate to have access to so much information these days. Hope you are staying healthy and your family well.
Too subtle for me. I use Fetheds to boost mics with not enough gain...and colouration can come from my outboard pres and then if needed/wanted later with any of the plugins ITB.
Please Warren - I want this XD. .. have to buy a second one anyways. Totally awesome. I feel/hear the oomph/weight/saturation absolutely. On my iPhone. That’s what matters to me x) . I want it suttle but I want to be able to hear a difference on my phone. Otherwise- what’s the point? If I only hear it on my KH310 that wouldn’t help anyone.. Thanks for the Video!
Would love to use these on vocals as well as guitars! Sometimes all I have to record with is a solid state amp but I feel you could get some really cool tones running the mic through this!
Best way to really see the difference is to level the tracks and guitar alone. and having the Mix with the guitar track levels the same in the Mix itself. The best professional kick butt part, it is the NULL part . Here we can hear the frequencies in which the differences lie....but it does not seem that would make that much of a difference in the mix......any audio work done on the tracks for the guitar w/Soyus? or just a Mix side effect plus being louder? Overall awesome and gave thumbs up!!! 👍
Warren, did you notice if there was any latency with the launcher versus the straight recorded tracks? If so, how much? And wouldn’t that screw you up if you were overdubbing some tracks using the launcher, and some tracks without using the launcher?
I assume that it was a nice try to do "a promo" for Soyuz Launcher but the Audient nails this demo! :) Maybe paired with some poor sounding interface like UX2 or sth would be more convincing :) It was a nice try, this little box is probably worth of buy, but certainly not for someone who has ID44 :)
Sure the results are subtle but it’s those subtle differences that take a mix something great, that give a mix that undefinable quality that makes your hairs stand on end. 🎛🎤
Am I mistaken or was last playback pass it was on Bypass. Maybe it wasn't needed because it was recorded with it, if so having the plugin up there with it in bypass was misleading.
Thanks for the video Warren, I've been wondering about this device! I'd be curious to hear a mix using the Launcher even though that would not be a perfect representation of its sound - I agree that the glue effect has some nice qualities, but to my ears that 'glueing' is also removing pleasant dynamics and 'air' frequencies. Perhaps mixing different pre's in parallel would solve my qualms, but hearing a finished mix that was recorded through two parallel pre-amps like this would be intriguing to me at least. Thanks again, long-time fan 🙏
That actually might be a very good idea! In this instance the Audient Mic Pres already sound fantastic!! The Tascam would probably really benefit from this!
Hey there! In our experience, the Launcher works terrifically with any preamp and it actually takes on a bit of a different sound depending on what pre or mic you pair it with. Some are more dramatic than others! Its a fun experiment.
What would you record with the Soyuz Launcher?
how much is it ? and one little question , the word is "subtle" , what you using ? The transformer may need a hotter signal ?
Didgeridoo.
I would like to record a kick drum or even the snare using a cheap pyle pdmic78, i would also like to try it on a 4 track machine to do some nice lofi drums
@@andreirlmeier in Rubles?
I would definitely try vocals through my DIY ribbon
Thank you Warren. I just started building my home studio a couple years ago. I have purchased only gear you approve. Everything works so well and I am so happy with it. You saved me a lot of money by not purchasing things that don't work. Thanks for all you do!
It seems like a solid in-line preamp; this would be a good choice just for Soyuz's build quality. For coloration, it makes sense if you want to run everything through it, but otherwise I could only see myself using it on sources with high end that needs to be tamed, and possibly going for a hybrid digitally bright/analog subtle filtering experimental production and mix.
Great video as always Warren - interesting device!!
Thanks ever so much my friend!
I've used the soyuz on electric guitar (surf vibe) with a ribbon, lead male vocals with a beta 58, and a drum room mic (ribbon). I didn't do any kind of A/B testing, but I've really loved the sound and vibe of the tracks.
I got one of these a few weeks ago, pretty amazing little box - been using it on vocals with various dynamics. Going to be using these for a long time
These things always get written up like magic sauce, but it just sounds like light compression - glues things together slightly, warmer low end. Very, very subtle though
Funny, a few days ago I was seriously thinking about putting an audio transformer between two XLR-connectors in a small metal box. Honestly, no active components, but including a small high pass filter. I'm looking forward to listening to and playing with the multitracks. Thanks!
So, I've downloaded the tracks, listened to it with either monitors or headphones, you can notice It adds a subtle warmth to each track and kinda subtly darkens it. As you said it's suble, but makes a quite noticable and pleasant difference at the end. That's a really cool object for sure !
Hi Thomas L thanks ever so much for sharing!!
I downloaded the multitrack, listened in my monitors and in a good pair of headphones and here is my veredict: the soyuz launcher makes sounds steadier, specially if you are adding them. The mix sounds more ready, more rounded, fuller, even louder. It's a subtle difference, but it was enough to put a smile in my face.
I actually like the subtlety that it adds. It rounds out the transients in a good way. I could see a use for it and it seems a better investment than a plugin as it almost costs the same but does it bit more.
Thanks ever so much for sharing
@@Producelikeapro you're welcome anytime. I have learned a lot from watching your channel and thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom with us.
Something I've figured out about having one of these units, the Soyuz or the Royer DB-20, SE Dynamite thing, or a Cloudlifter, it can solve an issue with when you want to use a dynamic mic and a condenser mic together on a source into an inexpensive consumer audio interface. Such interfaces usually have phantom power either on or off for all the inputs. The booster requires phantom power to run but doesn't pass it through and so it is for dynamic and ribbon(passive) mics. So, you turn on phantom power, one input runs your condenser mic and the other your booster box with your dynamic mic. This also may be of benefit by bringing the dynamic's level up to the condenser mics level.
(This isn't an issue on higher end interfaces with phantom power on sets or individual inputs of course.)
Holy shit u just solved a problem for me. Thank you.
Warren dares to go where other people fear to tread! Thanks for doing this! Gives us great results!
haha thanks ever so much Apple!!
Soyuz from Russia with love! Soyuz team it's really very talented guys. We all love their products.
never thought I'd ever see a Soyuz Launch on *this stream!* :)
It would be interesting if there was a shootout between the soyuz launcher and the cloudlifter CL-1 especially with ribbon mics. Great Video, Warren!
Nice catchy tune Warren, very ABBAesque harmony guitars! A great listen!
Thanks ever so much Dave! Yes, I write it as record it! Haha
without more air on high and a little sharper at the bottom . just like difference in re20 vs re320 on minimal settings. gives softer, rounded tone (writing this on 10 min of the video)
Thanks ever so much for sharing your thoughts!
Too subtle for youtube comparisons but it's always fun watching you play with new toys. Cheers Warren!
This is a great advert for Audient
Agreed, the Audient is pretty darn amazing!!
Great levels. Great bit depth raitios. Produce like a pro you are raising an army of audio experts. You are raising the standard. Thank you.
There's definitely a warmth to it that you can hear.
Got one of these a couple weeks ago to use with my sm7. I love it
Thanks ever so much Danny for sharing!
Adding a nice bit weight pretty cool
Thanks ever so much Elroi!
Yeah! Definitley subtle, but I can her it, thinking if you did a full track with every instrument through it, esepcially on kit, you'd hear a wonderful lift for sure! Great little device!
I bet you couldn't detect it in blind test.
To my ears, it kinda glues the tracks together.
Yes, this is exactly what I noticed too.
That's exactly what is does Matt! Agreed 100%!
@@DannyJamesGuitar agreed!
To my ears, it's like applying a plugin to all the tracks. Or sending all the tracks thru a plugin that "Does Something Interesting". Like he said, using it on every tracks would 'lift' all the tracks into the mix. Subtle is more fun, anyway.
I'm waiting for a replacement lead for my decent Sennheiser headphones to listen to this again because I can't hear any difference whatsoever on cheap ear buds. If that Soyux is doing something to the sound, it's not doing very much.
Its tapping those transients for sure.
Thanks ever so much!
Sounds like a great alternative to something like a Cloud Lifter for only $50 more!
Thanks ever so much Raymond!
Just downloaded the files, thanks for these! The volume is not perfectly matched on every track (that is why you probably got a big difference when summing the mix). If you match the volumes the difference pretty much goes away and actually what is happening is that there is MORE noise in the Soyuz tracks (listen to the tails at the end when volume matched).
So the added noise can sometimes give a perception of "analog" or "sheen" (I often add noise to recordings or VSTi for added realism).
I wouldn't recommend this since it even adds noise compared to preamps only.
Thanks again for the test!
what do you mean for noise? noise and analog is different....you also fond noise in analog.....fuller, fatter.....stereo image wider, less crowded...talk to us....
I don't have the best ears. The difference was very subtle to me. I actually didn't notice when it switched from with the Soyuz to without. When you brought the Soyuz back in though I did notice a bit fuller attack but very minimal.
So very very subtle...... the most obvious difference to me(still subtle) was on acoustic. Without it there was a tiny bit more top end sparkle.
Really is about accumulative effect. It does make a slight difference. For me personally, I wouldn't spend the $200 on that. Good solid product, but for that money I'd buy another Fathead Ribbon, or a good 2ch interface.
Just my 2cents
But it's only 199, not 200!
Great video! Going to use this on my dynamic mics!
Fantastic!
How about clipping through it? The main reason I use my analog gear is to clip as the analog in/out has a 18db headroom as the sound source is increased into the headroom the more that analog effect kicks in. If I run all my tracks through the analog and back in to the DAW at 0 which is -18db in the digital realm there is next to no difference added, so to have a more obvious colour/saturation/silk/sheen/thickening. There has got to be a sweet spot (point of difference) for the SL Whats your thoughts Warren?
how would you clip it? yell really fken loudly into the mic?
It seems like it makes a slight difference in transients. Notice in the attempt to null it out, it DID null out more and more into the sustains of the notes, and the pick attack of the acoustic sounded almost like you had an expander on it when it was as nulles as you could get it.
Definitely some mojo going on. Nice.
Great video, my wife shouted out from the kitchen, HEY I LIKE THAT GUITAR MELODY! I agree, nice production
Thanks ever so much!!
There's a very subtle reduction in the attack of the notes with the Launcher. Almost like a compressor without the squeeze. Warren, is this the same kind of impact a 1073 style preamp has on the signal as well? It seems like the transformer introduced to the audio would function similarly.
I think 1073's have an interesting EQ curve with a little cut in the low mids (even when eq is flat and everything is at 0), but then they replace this cut with lots of harmonics from low-end, this Soyuz thingey is definitely less colourfull in that sense but it still introduces a little bit of saturation aka natural compression. So yes, i think it is similar, but not exactly similar.
Yes, it definitely colours the sound, although as Alexey is saying below, not as much as a 1073. I'm going to try it more frequently and see what results I can get!
@@Producelikeapro Warren are you still using this box? I'm debating springing for one before i splurge for the SSL big six console, but i feel like I'd be buying something just to have something new rather than waiting to completely upgrade the centerpiece of the studio.
anyway great vid and thanks!!
"yeah, I said it", I think this little box sounds great, I'd love to be able to buy an 8 channel version. I'll get one for sure in the future, I own a Zulu passive analog tape simulator, it's a stereo version, I use while tracking and then again when mixing, these kinds of boxes add something special for sure.
It's great! It sounds more like a vinyl! It gives more dynamic and more clear sound. Just listen to the snare drum or the acoustic guitar in mix.
Thanks ever so much!
@@Producelikeapro Actually I messed up the tracks. I thing that the launcher gives saturation. Sorry. It's interesting that old records are more saturated and more dynamic.
I stopped around 9:30 during the acoustics to write this.....I THOUGHT I heard something in the lower mid / mid-range happening with the Launcher, but I am sure now that I heard it in solo.....it is adding "weight" to the tracks, BUT it sounds like it is building up when all the tracks are played....OK, off to watch some more of the vid...
Warren: “It gives you more of a, I don’t know, analog sound. Yeah I said.”
Us: HE SAID IT! YES HE SAID IT!
Keep up the amazing work Warren, love your demos and videos.
Haha thanks ever so much! Keep up the good work yourself!! Many thanks Warren
Thanks for this one! I've been curious about it for awhile now!
You're very welcome Scott!
Even with everything playing I can ONLY hear very subtle changes on my studiomonitors and headphones. I can't hear it on individual tracks blind. So to me this product has a bit misleading marketing, but I'm glad you've tested it thoroughly.
One caveat: I really like the Launcher. It's a solid product but be careful to listen to your source and whether it may be better served cleaner. If it works better with color then cool but just don't use it to use it, ya' know? Also, it doesn't need to be hit very hard before you can get transformer "ring". It ruined a vocal take once, which was fine, on a session I did and we had to switch it out. Just FYI- As always, use your ears.
I think the difference would show up better with an interface with a lesser preamp
That might well be true! The Audient Mic Pres are pretty darn good indeed!
thank you, warren. subtle, indeed. probably useful on a case by case basis, depending upon the subjective goals for the mix. could definitely be an upgrade to prosumer level interfaces. as always, the effectiveness of any tool lies in the hands (and ears) of the craftsman (or craftswoman). cheers!
Thanks ever so much for your great comment!
I was thinking about using a pair of these after my passive summer for an interesting color. Thoughts, thoughts...
I'm not sure they're setup for line level as they come prior to the micpre (which is a much lower signal than the line level of a mix).
@@gbaxter6465 Thanks for the heads up. Actually coming after the summing mixer is usually around mic level, which is why you have to use a preamp after the mixer to get it back to line level (requires about 25+db gain). My thoughts were to replace my preamp choices with the Soyuz, and then use a preamp after for any additional makeup gain remaining.
Great! Please let us know how you get on with that!!
Actually just thinking tussle thing. But . . . Do I need more low mids I my mixes?
@@zachjarrett8730 after watching hearing the video that was my concern too!
Also, just like analog, it's subtle. But, if all the tracks are analog, it builds up( harmonic distortion) . Thus, you get a collective sound.
(Acustics) 9:40 without it's a bit resonant on mid-lows, with it's a bit more controlled
I'd love to hear it on vocals.
Amazing how Warren can play guitars right and left-handed :-) I like inline preamps as they make my cheap (but good) ribbon mics usable for vocals and acoustic guitar as my old Slam just doesn't have enough gain, although I think most of them aim to be as transparent as possible. I think the Launcher is great if you're recording directly into your interface instead of going through a vintage-style preamp. Otherwise, something like the Cloud Lifter or Dynamite might be preferable. I hope everyone knows that you can't use it on any mic that requires phantom power.
Try it with your tube mics...it removes the excessive high end and adds a nice weight
Yes. I can hear the difference. The Soyuz gave a bigger sound , a little wider, bottom end heavier.
Good grief that's a subtle difference! I'm not even sure if I generally like it more with or without. I guess I'm not in the target market. Nice test though, very interesting!
Thanks Erikl Yes, please download the Multi Tracks and make up your mind for yourself!
These devices are all pure bullshit..."I think I might hear a difference?" It's a case of the emperors new clothes.
Looks like a cool variation to the Cloud-Lifters or FetHeads that could lend itself nicely to many mics/instruments i'm sure, or heck, even various interface preamps on the way in. As you said, it's a subtle change, but it looks like it adds ups to a pleasant overall thickness, and mellower top... which couId be a compliment to a variety of genres, or I could totally see it's color being brought out even more with strategic EQ/Compressors/Exciters/etc.
I bet it would be neat on a vocals. Especially if it's a full Vox array with a multi-tracked Vox + BG Vox, & Harmony support tracks. Really nice little piece of kit!
Also let me give you props, that was a Rad little on the spot improv track there sir! I was digging the vibe. I tend to really like Electric Guitar arrangements with an Acoustic Guitar rhythm support part giving it that sorta supportive "bite" & timbre/articulation range.
Just out of curiosity, how does this color the signal compared to the Cloud-Lifters w/ the Variable Impedance? I've never tried Vari-Z Cld-Lfters, but I figure you possibly have, so I figure it's worth an ask.
Anyway, Great Video! Appreciate the demonstration!
Wow, when this first went up I couldn't really hear a difference using headphones but now listening today on iLoud monitors I clearly hear it in the full mix. It definitely sounds warmer, and adds a bit more depth and slightly widens the stereo width. Without it, sounds more sterile/cold, stereo width closes in a tiny bit, a bit more 2D. The full mix almost sounds like it has too much warmth so I could see it being overdone if you put it on everything or depending on the genre. But then again like you said, it's not mixed so maybe if it was fully mixed that would be different. just my .02
It's a subtle but nice difference. I use a cloudlifter CL1 with my sm7, it would be nice to compare both. If you don't have a high gain clean pre you need one of these boosters with the sm7 or with passive ribbons.
would be interesting to run the masterbus through it..
I thought that was the idea no?
lol
i feel more harmonics whit this loudboxSoyuz
I was looking at a BAE device ..similar thing ..i think it was a decent transformer i do believe...i thought it would be nice to liven up the digital signal a bit. I'd need 2 ...they're a couple of hundred quid each.
How can you NOT hear the difference? Maybe as a mixing engineer i just learned to notice small things but seriously- if you guys are not hearing the weight this thing is adding - change what you’re using to listen to it or train your ears
I wonder if you could invert one and cancel them out to hear what the difference is since you used a y cable?
best channel on Ytube
Thanks ever so much my friend!!
@@Producelikeapro Ya welcome ...love the content ...but the generosity of track downloads is very cool too - i am learning A LOT .the 1% theory does add up...i am really taking note
@@TheMichaelseymour thanks ever so much my friend! I really appreciate your support!
Thanks Warren! You just saved me $199!
How does the FET Soyuz microphones compare to the Soyuz tube mics? FET versions still worth the investment?
Wow, i hear a big difference!
Fantastic Mike!
But would you be able to pick it out in blind test?
@@PaulBell88 i just did
So wait at I understanding that you run phantom power into that box and you have dynamic mics plugged into that? I always thought phantom power hurt dynamic mics and ribbon mics?
The phantom power is being utilized by the Soyuz device (active electronics) - the voltage never makes it to the microphone. Other active boxes operate the same way (Cloud, etc). 👊🏼🦁
Big Kick LEO hey thanks! My Scarlett 18i20 only allows for channel 1-4 to be engaged with phantom or 5-8 which means sometimes only using 6 microphones on a kit because I didn’t want to damage my equipment. This makes me really happy. Thank you
Hi Warren. It is as you said. I think it would be great for live performances.
i just bought one but its not working any ideas why i plugged mic into it and it into the interface?
Are you sending it phantom power? It needs to phantom in order to work
How would be pairing this to a condenser mic ?
I find the effect much more than subtle! Honestly when it's used on every track it seems to make the mix almost to dense and to lose some definition. Any source send to get some really cool color from it but I wouldn't want to use it on everything in a song.
Hi Dallas, thanks for your comment! I didn't do any EQ or Compression at all to either set, so yes, agreed the weight it adds isn't perfect on everything, however, it's good to have it there and then remove rather than not all all!
@@Producelikeapro That's a great point, thanks for the reply! I'm always learning from your channel, so thanks for the great content. Think we have a mutual friend in my long time buddy George @Creative World Recording, hes a wonderful wealth of knowledge too. We are all very fortunate to have access to so much information these days. Hope you are staying healthy and your family well.
@@DMarlow83 you're very welcome! I really appreciate your great comments! Stay happy, healthy and safe!
Too subtle for me. I use Fetheds to boost mics with not enough gain...and colouration can come from my outboard pres and then if needed/wanted later with any of the plugins ITB.
Please Warren - I want this XD. .. have to buy a second one anyways. Totally awesome. I feel/hear the oomph/weight/saturation absolutely. On my iPhone. That’s what matters to me x) . I want it suttle but I want to be able to hear a difference on my phone. Otherwise- what’s the point? If I only hear it on my KH310 that wouldn’t help anyone..
Thanks for the Video!
does Y cable lower both signals as it is shared signal?
Would love to use these on vocals as well as guitars! Sometimes all I have to record with is a solid state amp but I feel you could get some really cool tones running the mic through this!
This could be fun. I shall have to explore. Thanks for these multi tracks, 🙂
Best way to really see the difference is to level the tracks and guitar alone. and having the Mix with the guitar track levels the same in the Mix itself. The best professional kick butt part, it is the NULL part . Here we can hear the frequencies in which the differences lie....but it does not seem that would make that much of a difference in the mix......any audio work done on the tracks for the guitar w/Soyus? or just a Mix side effect plus being louder? Overall awesome and gave thumbs up!!! 👍
Warren, did you notice if there was any latency with the launcher versus the straight recorded tracks? If so, how much? And wouldn’t that screw you up if you were overdubbing some tracks using the launcher, and some tracks without using the launcher?
No latency at all.
I would use that product.
Fantastic!!
Maaan what is the tone for the solo guitars?? I love it
Aw shucks! Thanks ever so much
Would it do anything to use this in between a DI box and an interface?
I assume that it was a nice try to do "a promo" for Soyuz Launcher but the Audient nails this demo! :)
Maybe paired with some poor sounding interface like UX2 or sth would be more convincing :)
It was a nice try, this little box is probably worth of buy, but certainly not for someone who has ID44 :)
Hi Sebastian Kucharski indeed! My review of the Soyuz demonstrates it’s a great product, also that the Audient iD44 is an amazing product!!
Good demo! Don't think the difference is big enough for me to buy it though.
Handsome Audio Zulu is what your looking for....I think U'll like it! One of the best analog pieces I've bought
Yo Warren! I like the tune!
Thanks ever so much!
I would like an stereo pair of these on my mixbuss!
Fantastic Leonardo!
Do you think you will stick with pro tools or try reaper? Do you use older version of protools? Thanks!
Hi John, I have both the old and new version of Pro Tools! I run older Pro Tools through the console and the newer one for in-the-box.
Sure the results are subtle but it’s those subtle differences that take a mix something great, that give a mix that undefinable quality that makes your hairs stand on end. 🎛🎤
This could be a great tool for just adding extra 'warmth' and 'weight' without breaking the bank!
Haha nice Tim!
I guess no tracks available?
a cool likkle chune, i would like to do some works
not showing much difference here on Y T. Can you do a vocal test without the splitter lead
Am I mistaken or was last playback pass it was on Bypass. Maybe it wasn't needed because it was recorded with it, if so having the plugin up there with it in bypass was misleading.
Thanks for the video Warren, I've been wondering about this device! I'd be curious to hear a mix using the Launcher even though that would not be a perfect representation of its sound - I agree that the glue effect has some nice qualities, but to my ears that 'glueing' is also removing pleasant dynamics and 'air' frequencies. Perhaps mixing different pre's in parallel would solve my qualms, but hearing a finished mix that was recorded through two parallel pre-amps like this would be intriguing to me at least. Thanks again, long-time fan 🙏
or heck maybe it just needs the maag treatment
Would it be a good idea to try this on a Tascam dp-24sd portastudio?
That actually might be a very good idea! In this instance the Audient Mic Pres already sound fantastic!! The Tascam would probably really benefit from this!
Thank you so much for this test Warren ! I love that little box... Would it be useful combined to my UA 910 preamps ?
Cheers 😉👍
Hey there! In our experience, the Launcher works terrifically with any preamp and it actually takes on a bit of a different sound depending on what pre or mic you pair it with. Some are more dramatic than others! Its a fun experiment.
SOYUZ MICROPHONES спасибо !
the Soyuz makes it sound more tightly organized.
Nice demo. Actually I cannot tell much difference playing the two samples side by side.
move the mic 5 mm and youd hear a bigger difference imho
Don't think I've ever been so early, the compettion page isn't even up properly. yet