Get some patients - Yes, Minister - BBC
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- The Minister visits a new empty hospital and demands that they get some patients immediately. Classic clip from the political sitcom Yes, Minister. Watch more high quality videos on the new BBC Worldwide TH-cam channel here: / bbcworldwide
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I love how he gets nervous about a strike and then realizes no patient is going to suffer, so he encourages everyone to strike. 😆
Yes that was very well portrayed
yes thank you for writing in words what the scene depicted
You’ve got to love it when people in the comment section highlight the parts of the video they liked and then there’s always some asshole that has to say “You just repeated what was in the video” or “yes we just watched it”.
The point isn’t to plagiarise the video we just watched, the point is to highlight the parts we found particularly funny
Problem is later in the episode it’s revealed that all of the workers in every London hospital would go on strike 😮
Paul Eddington, immaculate timing!
The woman playing the administrator does a fantastic Sir Humphrey impression. She almost had me convinced that funding a hospital with no patients or doctors is a triumph in efficiency.
It actually is a triumph in efficiency! But, the point of a hospital isn't efficiency, the point is doing the job of a hospital. Otherwise it's just a building with 500 workers. It's efficient at not being a hospital
Tell that to the NHS managers in 2012, who closed down 17k beds because they wanted to increase efficiency by having hospitals run at 100% capacity during calm times...no empty beds ever, even if that means not enough beds in a crisis.
@@StarlasAiko but wouldn't that imply that they would have to cause people harm in order to fill in beds? Like in normal situations there should be more beds available than there are patients right? Can you imagine medical staff being upset there aren't enough unwell or I'll people to treat, I mean yeah that's what they get paid to do but isn't it a good thing there aren't alot of patients? I feel like either I've got it completely wrong or logic is being thrown out somewhere.
Joe Garingan they play it the other way round. No need to create patients to fill the beds, they just get rid of the empty beds.
It would be a triumph of sorts in providing employment. When I did a placement in the NHS in the far off days of 1982-3 I was told the District layer of management had been introduced for purely political reasons and was a good means of ensuring things were not done.
Taken from IMDb:
Trivia
Although the story-line seems fairly implausible, the writers had researched the idea and found there were at least six NHS hospitals or major wings of hospitals which, like the fictional St. Andrews Hospital, had no patients. One in Cambridgeshire had only one patient: the Matron (head of nursing staff) who had fallen over some scaffolding and broken her leg.
I feel like you could make a whole documentary on those six locations. It's like a twilight zone episode. I always thought this was the most unbelievable plotline in the series, but I knew they wouldn't have run it if it wasn't based on something that actually happened on normal island.
"It is a place heeeealinnnng the sick!"
- He sounded like a televangelist there for a moment
This series gets better and better as the years go on.
This series, like MASH, is based on lots and lots of insider information. This episode in particular. In fact, it had to be *toned*down* for believability. At the time of research and writing for this episode, the number of such hospitals (full admin staff, zero medical staff and patients) was not one, as portrayed in the episode, but *eleven*. But it was felt that no-one would believe the episode if they used the actual number.
So bureaucratic chaos is the continuous thread of large scale state co ntrolled ‘hospitals’ and healthcare. Now even the GPS went awol for a year. What the hell are we paying the billions for?
@@kathleenstern6822 Ah, actually no. That's not the large scale state issue. Just the opposite, this is the state being entirely powerless because the moment a rabid union leader and media reported started on something about "the government's fault", the voters just jumped on the bandwagon.
Remember here, Hacker, the government minister, is the one that want to stop wasting money and get actual patient in. You, the voter, is the one that listened to media and prevented anything to be done and continues to waste money.
Until the voting base can accept that they are every bit to blame for many problems in the country and actually start doing research before screaming "it's all state's fault", this will continue to happen.
@@kathleenstern6822 in the immortal world of sir humprey appleby : for efficient bureaucracy of course!
I saw an interview with Jonathan Lynn and he said he was chatting with a Public Servant many years after this episode aired. The fellow asked him how he new about the empty hospital? Lynn didn't know what he was talking about. He explained that the NHS actually had run a hospital which had one patient, the Matron, who had tripped on maintenance equipment was treated for a broken leg.
This shows:
_Bureaucracy doesn't need external influence. I'ts occupied enough with itself._
We must expand out bureaucracy to meet the needs of our expanding bureaucracy.
Sounds like a form of malignant narcissist.
It's a self-reproductive system
This... actually makes twisted sense to me and is what I call "efficiency freaks". Basically the Hospital is operating at full efficiency because that was prioritized over actual effectiveness. There is no waste, no unneeded expenditures, and the Hospital is humming along smoothly and properly. The medical staff were deemed less important to efficiency so they got the axe.
To use a metaphor, this Hospital is like a car engine with no car. Strictly speaking the car isn't needed for the engine to be efficient, and therefore, the car was deemed unnecessary.
Shops would be so easy to run if it weren't for all those customers getting in the way.
@@Plethorality You joke, but I have actually seen this opinion.
@@TheAussieBlue true.
It's a bit like the story of a bus company when people complained the buses weren't stopping at bus stops and the explanation from the company was that if the buses actually stopped, it would disrupt the timetable.
Ask any teacher when schools are at their best.
This is one of the best shows ever made!
Most hygienic hospital! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😎
People to often forget that in draconian top down organization structures shit close to this actually happens. There are even special accountants who are hired by some company's to look for things like this.
Normally that is the job of consultants/external auditors
Yes, Minister was often discovered to be satirising things that actually happened. There were hospitals running like this; just as there really were “special communications rooms” where ministers could smuggle drinks into dry nations.
Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy:
"In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely...in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representatives who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions."
It's not even that things LIKE this happened- this exact thing did happen. Not just once - the writers were informed that there were actually six such hospitals in operation around the UK at the time. All of them were fully staffed with administration and support staff, but had no medical staff at all, and thus no patients.
In fact many of the events depicted in Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister were directly based on real events. The show runners had a couple of senior sources in the Civil Service who would leak all sorts of stuff to them. They'd exaggerate the comic angle, of course, but it's definitely got a documentary angle.
Also the Iranian no drinking alcohol fiasco did really happen. So they set up a communication office so they could sip in some wine instead of orange juice.
Brilliantly written classic comedy that’s morphed into a documentary
Oh God, another prick saying this is a documentary. Have you ever had an original thought?
It was always a documentary
“…but Minister it’s one of the best run hospitals in the country” - ROFL
"the most hygienic hospital in the area!"
Herman47 lol only because it not be use by any Patients.
You could see her break on that. :)
To be fair, they have not lost a single patient yet.
A very Pythonesque statement - cheese shop.
We need more ministers like that in government, less bureaucratic administration, more administration to the sick!
That would mean them putting their necks on the block.
You should watch this episode to the end.
He's way too weak, and way too concerned with how he looks in the media. Usually Sir Humphrey and the civil service end up making sure that nothing gets done.
This reminds me of hospitals who referred their sickest children to me accompanied by referral letters emblazoned with accolades, awards and all sorts. The irony..
Heeeeeeeeealing the SICK!!
The cheese shop! Cleanest cheese shop around! Certainly uncontaminated by cheese
There is Wensleydale though
Just today we learn that the NHS is meeting the social care crisis challenge by hiring 'an army of £200,000 bureaucrats' [Telegraph]. 2021, but Yes, Minister remains spot-on, eternal like the Civil Service ('forever and ever, amen').
I once heard a Consultant say (entirely seriously) "This job would be easy without all the patients messing things up"
Well done minister!
I think we needed Hacker in parliament this year. With all these hospitals opened up for COVID-19 patients months ago, yet they remain empty to this day.
Staff everywhere but no elective surgery???????????????????
@@rextravers8054 Exactly
The way he says "haha" and walks out reinforces the rumors that he's Richard Hendricks' grandfather.
This was the first episode I ever saw of this show. I was hooked.
The sick childrens' hospital in Edinburgh, currently with no children.
It's been 33 years since this show went off the air, but the issues raised are still relevant today.
Well you'll be happy to know it'll be full soon no doubt.
@@rhyfelaherwfilwrol6732 oh dear that's dark
Mendel J Unfortunately it won’t due to the incompetence of our (Scottish) government who have consistently used PFI and screwed up NHS infrastructure upgrades.
I'm watching this while our hospital emergency room is overflowing. Must be nice to have the luxury of an empty hospital.
It's the finest hospital in the district.
Well, it's certainly uncontaminated by cheese.
The first thing that came into my mind!
My mother was a medical secretary at one of these hospitals with no patients in London in the 1970s. Basically they did research and gave advice to other hospitals.
In other words they did some *work only on paper.
@@ShangZilla
IN OTHER, OTHER WORDS, like scientists, writers, architects, programmers etc
Don't bunk on research. We live in the age of information.
@@jodhod1498 If you actually knew something about research these days, you would know that most of research is just for sake of showing research and getting grants. Academics have to constantly publish research or risk losing their position and career.
That is fine if that is all they did but this hospital was set up to be a hospital and had all the equipment meant to help people.
@@ShangZilla Yup, there's a massive replication crisis in vast swathes of academia, and garbage research then gets cited so more research is churned out based on garbage, and on and on it goes.
The "ha ha" at the end is what makes this perfect.
The minister seems a trifle impatient with them. ;)
Would you prefer that he be outpatient instead?
aye, even frank bordering on direct.
Is this the Nightingale?
People have no idea how close to reality this show was. Truth usually reveals itself in comedy ;)
He's shocked by the presence of a ventilator.
Well he would be. At this point in time in the video, COVID-19 wasn't due for another 30 or so years.
I am so glad to finally find it on the net, it's still one of my favourites. Shame this is not the full episode, because it gets even better.
Yes Minister never fails to make me laugh! Just as relevant now as ever. Just as funny too.
life imitates art
Art imitates life
We currently have a hospital like that in Edinburgh. Supposed to open last year, staffed but too dangerous to use even during the Covid emergency.
"But if they weren't here, they wouldn't be here!" Makes perfect sense! :P
This literally happened in my country
Tell us about it!
What country? :)
The best tv series of all time....
This happened in New York in 2020... except the minister then said good job
Oh my goodness
I always thought Jim had the upper hand here. Even with the unions. Just a threat of going public that the unions wanted to stop a hospital paid for by tax payer money from having patients and being over manned would have worked and called their bluff in 1980.
Exactly. I was disappointed that he backed down, he actually had a strong case, but was too much of a chicken to see it through.
Early 1980s series..still true today 2020..that's how good our MPs are..
Timeless. Fabulous
so true in many walks of life even in private sector
Rings so true in the current pandemic: ‘Protect the NHS” - notably not ‘protect patients’. So hundreds of thousands of procedures were cancelled or postponed for [years] - with the inevitable consequence of tens of thousands of people dying from e.g. cancer (where time matters). But the NHS is ok....
You know that this was based on things really going on in the NHS at the time.
It was actually supposed to be fictional but they found out that it was happening.
@@gentblue I believe it.
That union rep should be made redundant for that Scottish accent.
This show was WAY ahead of it's time.
#nightingalehospital
#filmyourhospital
A hygienic hospital without patients is like a cheese shop without cheese. Oh, wait....
In these times this clip suddenly sounds tragic
Outstanding and brilliant
They’ll be in need of this hospital now!
Hmm, I'd rather stay home and heal myself than letting administrators work on me😁
Actually, on second thoughts, that might be the way to go. What was I thinking?
@@alexsmyth17 Maybe you are a Civil Servant, their thinking is different 😂
Benny Lloyd-Willner 😂
I love this program 😅
This is truer than you might think.
David Cameron call this show "overly clinical" in a college essay. Then after becoming (and leaving) the office of PM he called it a "documentary".
They should have brought out the machine that goes "bing"
The more serious thought I give this then the more I see this as the way forward..
NHS Nightingale Hospitals: Agile Response to COVID-19 or a White Elephant?
They prevented the normal hospitals from having to abandon cancer patients for a spike that never happened. They were psychologically helpful at the time when the Italian health service had collapsed.
@@gentblue but they didn’t prevent the normal hospitals from treating cancer patients. As we all know patients can err treatment was and still is on hold albeit with a massive backlog.even Hancock has recently said that if Covid gets a grip again then an er patients will be put on hold! The government were even dismantling them despite banging on about a second wave?? Funny that, it’s as if they know they won’t be needed.
A conversation I had not so long ago put me mind of this. Bloke who works in the higher education bureaucracy was telling me about how his university has buildings all over the city that are not actually being used for anything, but the senior management, for whatever self-interested, political reason won't put them to use, or get rid of them.
Maybe they need them for important and secret amorous meetings😁
It's basic asset management. Selling them off gets you short term gain, but long-term loss when you need to open another building / premises. Cheaper to moth-ball and disuse for years, than to sell and re-purchase later.
With Corona virus hindsight it would seem that some excess capacity is highly desirable.
The hospitals have no doctors though. Thats the joke
@@finding_aether Part of the current issue is the lack of physical capacity, hence the NHS Nightingale facilities.
The Nationals Childrens Hospital in Ireland is about to become the most expensive in the world.
And nowhere near being fit for purpose.
this sounds very familiar to how the PM behaved in 2021
70s. Strikes saw my family in bed bye 8 pm . No electricity. No gas. No hearting. Even the dead couldn't get buried.
Plenty of patients now.
Machine that goes ping
Before its time.
Boris could take some pointers from PM Hackett🤓
its not just about efficiency, but responsibility. hospitals try to discharge patients ASAP, especially the serious/terminal patients so that if/when the patient kicks the bucket, the hospital cant be blamed for anything
Patients and health care workers are a hindrance to the regular running of a hospital trust.
A FN award😂😂
Episode highlights inefficiency & self-serving nature of government bureaucracy. All is not well in the UK.
Nightingale hospital :D
Is this story line based on something that was going on in Britain?
Old serials were MUCH MUCH better that today's meaningless wasteful shows ...
Morteza Akrami
couldn't agree more.
the bland tripe on TV now iis pale in comparison to show such as yes minister, which told the truth while capturing humour.
Morteza Akrami
couldn't agree more.
the bland tripe on TV now iis pale in comparison to show such as yes minister, which told the truth while capturing humour.
There are always a few gems in an otherwise pile of rubbish in any medium and at any time. Yes Minister was a gem, but come now, most of the tv back then was awful. Most of the tv now is awful too, but I think it's actually improved overall quite a bit. It used to be that pretty much all shows had very little ongoing storyline, that has improved significantly, as has consistency, acting quality, cinematography, and audio production.
No, it's just that the good ones keep being remembered. Old trash TV is as common as modern trash TV
@@ihaveanametoo exactly. Selective recall.
Spot on.💯👏👍💐🤝
Classic
Typical Government Minister always nit-picking...
It's comedy, but wait - now in 2021 over 50% of NHS staff are not clinicians! Did Yes Minister in 2010 foresee such 'efficiencies'?
A prelude to all American hospitals empty beds.
There is a new water pipeline from Scotland to Kent going on in the country. Hereabouts, busy work has been going on for two years or more. As of today I still see the pipes not actually in the ground and no trench has actually been dug !
Pure comic genius
Nightingale hospital that was never used with covid rings a bell 🙄
I love how this is one of the few times Hacker is clearly losing his mind over the fact bureaucrats really are this stupid.
If people like Fraser ran unions, I’d join up.
Bloated middle management staffing is where all the money goes
And your evidence is...
@@matthewlewis2072 Private healthcare has far less middle management and is much more efficient. However they don't have patients who think that healthcare is free and can be abused. At £200 an appointment, few patients Do Not Attend, one of the biggest expenses in the NHS.
@@matthewlewis2072 all around you and it was so endemic in the 70’s to the level of absurdity.
My Father was a management consultant in that time and told me loads of stories not unlike this.
My company secretary used to work at the steelworks at Scunthorpe -when she joined there were 4 levels of employee - by the time she left it had reached 17 and they were hugely overmanned in managerial & administrative areas but not in the production areas.
Same is true for Councils too.
Bureaucracy looks after number 1, the bureaucracy.
this is how the labor party works
Its really just a reenactment of Monty Python's Cheese Shop skit, where cheese is replaced with patients.
Naah
Monty python probably used the cheese shop scenario to make it more absurd but YM/YPM depicted a situation that was close to the truth
The question is what you will do if you were at the same position I mean the Minister.
so easy to win an argument with those types..wow haha such a brilliant show
This is Unions for you.
What's the capitalists' solution? Start work in the mines at age 8 and get paid in company script. That's how it was before unions, Ivan.
@@Cryptonymicus Right. Much better to pay people to stand around.
whzpoor
Do you need reminding how much the government had to pour into the banking system in 2008 to save it from collapse. Had Scargill known that banks could do that sort of damage and get away with it I think he would have become a banker. Just to add who do you think is still paying the bill in 2019 for that banking collapse?
@@Cryptonymicus Unions rode the coat tails of improving labor conditions; they didn't cause them. And those conditions wouldn't revert just because unions lost their special treatment.
@grahwo The Compassionate Society
and now they have gone on strike
A source of employment for my members......
That Union mans attempt at a Scottish accent is worse than mine.
some cleaners could've fell over the stairs, a rather long stairs
Looks like a COVID-19 nightingale hospital, unused.
Healing of the sick..hackers face then…
Watching this now almost makes you wish that satire would become reality. All hail the NHS I guess?
@grahwo and its series 2 episode 1