The NEWEST Vinyl Record Scam | STORYTIME
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- Please leave a comment with any online buying safety tips, or stories about how someone tried to scam you! I recently did a video about how to buy and sell vinyl records online, safely, and I shared some things to look out for. Since then, I fell prey to a NEW SCAM that I couldn't believe almost worked. STORYTIME!
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This is insane. I can’t believe the lengths people will go to in order to scam someone for money. So glad you got your money back!
Thanks Caroline, me too.
And on the bright side, free boxes!
Doesn’t sound like a lot of work for $200 to me. A fake profile, a phony conversation for a few days and send a fake parcel? That’s not a lot of work at all. Also remember that $200 in other countries can actually be quite a bit of money.
What's insane is people f'ing around with records in this day and age.
you should pay more attention to US politics.
The most shocking thing to me about this situation is someone paying $200 for something by The Weeknd.
Zing!
Yup
This gave me a good laugh
He was probably going to flip it.
i thought that was funny $200 for the weekend lol
buying a two hundred dollar set from a 0 feedback is just asking for trouble.
Everyone has to start somewhere.I have sold a few items on discogs and have some rare vinyl.Why do you assume I want to hurt someone?
Thanks for that, Captain Obvious.
@@brucegelman5582 well... in this case, the person is starting out by selling a underpriced GRAIL by The Weeknd, so it kinda seems weird. If someone were to sell a pretty common $20 vinyl that seems like a reasonable price then it doesn't really sound like trouble at all.
This warning applies to everything. Thanks
People have to start somewhere. Maybe don't go buying like a 2000$ thing from them but give them a chance before you just ignore them because they are new.
I mean, he did send you a “box set”. 😂 I’m glad you got your money back Matt, thanks for looking out for the vinyl buying community!
Yeah a boxed set a set of boxes ------------------- I buy 99.9% of my records from Goodwill I have it in my hand I can see the condition and if it's good --I buy it
LMAO
LOL
This is one reason why I really miss physical storefronts and walk-in shopping. Scamming is so rife now that I've become skeptical about every phone call and every email. It's a sad indictment of the age we live in.
This happened to me this month. It sucks because I’m very new to vinyl and being scammed ruined buying records on the internet. I will stick to physical stores and reputable online stores.
Bless you Matt. You're a good kid. That was my son's name. Thank you for taking the time to help others.
Glad you got your money back. My biggest problem with Discogs is people that do not know how to grade albums....my most recent was about 3 months ago I purchased a first pressing Japanese Rolling Stones Sticky Fingers. I ended up paying $65 because this was a personal grail...received the record and it looked like it had been dragged off a pickup truck thru the parking lot. He had graded this VG+ in the description. Contacted the seller and thankfully he refunded this to me and I sent back. The problem I find is sellers sometimes use stock photos and I should have requested actual photos...and FYI I noticed about a month ago this is back being listed....not sure if this a different copy but buyer beware....this should be in the dollar bin 🤔😩🤷🏻♂️🙉
I’ve had the same problem on a few occasions. Every time no refund or even a few bucks back. Unless a guy
has 100% feedback I stay away.
I’ve tried contacting Discogs and PayPal but they seem to side with
the seller, “ the guy paying the fees”
It’s such a piss off when you open
a package and see crap. Leave a Negative feedback then he leaves you
one even if you played by the rules.
It really sucks at times. 😎
same thing on a mint- grand funk lp---scratched beyond belief! "my son must have packed that one" i did get my money back
That should have been graded poor, especially if it keeps sticking in the grooves a lot, causing looping, or skipping out of the grooves. What he supplied, he should have been handed in to the nearest jumble sale, where things usually go for a few pennies.
I highly recommend using the usps informed delivery service. It’s free, and it shows you all the packages heading to your address in the usps system, as well as images of the smaller pieces of mail like letters. It doesn’t show size and weight like ups or FedEx, but it helps make it easy to keep track of all your packages.
Good lookin out Matt.
The only scam that ever got me was on the selling end. Probably 8 years ago I sold a near mint Zeppelin 1 on eBay. Someone sent me a message saying it was in horrible condition, I told them to return it. They sent it back, and it was not the same record. It was a wrecked copy. I stopped selling on eBay shortly after that.
I talked about that in my previous video as a possible scam, but I've never heard of anyone doing it. That's so, so shitty and there's no real way as a seller you can protect yourself from that :(
Ebay has absolutely zero protection for sellers. On the plus side, it's rapidly dying away. Private sellers only make 1-2% of the overall business anymore, all the rest is just the usual Aliexpress junk being shipped around the world by the containerload from Shenzhen.
I never buy anything from anyone with zero feedback
If you followed this logic, no one would ever buy or sell anything from/to anyone. Obviously you have to keep your guard up, but honestly, your logic is pretty ridiculous.
@@beyondthegong agree with your logic.
@@beyondthegong it's best to allow risk takers to buy from them and give feedback thus protecting us
@nikto45 totally agree it works both ways and when starting out of course you need someone to take a chance to get going but it just won't be me. I was already burnt on ebay back in the day so lesson learnt.
I tried it on a fp Minor Threat single for $5. Worked out great. I underatand when your getting something for much more money, but I got a great deal.
Thanks for telling us the scammers. Deceitful sellers should be outed.
It's so effed up that people like this actually exist..
No way! You've got the Limited Collector's Edition white variant of the Victory Packaging box set?! That's super rare, especially signed by Matthew Kisai himself and still sealed! Dude you're so lucky! /s
LOL - trading it for a copy of Blond hit me up
Kids these days ..lol
These scams hurt the sellers with new stores that have very little feedback in the beginning. Though there are probably other tell-tale signs that point to a scam
I didn't even know you could buy records on Discogs, even though I often use it for reference, as well as a source for my FLAC album cover-art.
Yes we all need to be diligent online. Especially during this pandemic where shipping times are already delayed.
My advice to everyone is to keep a record of all your tracking numbers. Make sure the sellers provide one to you. I keep a spreadsheet of everything I order (way too much) which includes the item, the site I order it from, tracking number, and I update it daily with shipment tracking using USPS, so I know it's headed my way. I haven't had too many issues so far.
As far as what Matt went through, good work being diligent, Matt. That's horrible someone would do that. as another user said you now have limited red white and blue colored limited pressing priority boxes to use now!
Only issu I have really had was a seller (whom i've brought from numerous times before) from Chicago shipped me a sealed early 90s LP that I had purchased from him. it was shipped on 4/17/20. It was never scanned and as of last week, sat in pre-shipment status. The Post Office was able to tell me that the mailing label was incorrect as they claim the seller put my name in the address field and part of my address in the "zip" field. as of last week, I opened another case online and come to find out the USPS status is now "Label created not yet in system". the postal service now has no record of my information and only that a tracking label was created. it's almost as if the status went backwards and someone went in and removed my info from that tracking number. I did get my money back and the seller is very responsive...but sealed LPs from the 90s (especially for the low price I paid for it) are irreplacable. somewhat of a scam but maybe not with the seller?
Happy buying!
there is a better way to stop all that tracking and spreadsheet get in car go to store pay with visa or mc and you have record of transaction and product easy peesy :)
Glad to hear Pay Pal was reasonable - tough for them to know who the scammers are, as I'm sure there are probably buyers who do the same thing (i.e. buy something, get it and then say it wasn't correct / didn't get delivered).
That is why sellers should, without exception, make sure they use a tracking service, then the buyer can't say they haven't had it when they have signed for it at their end. Sellers should always be vigilant to make sure they send the right goods to the right people, not make silly harebrained mistakes. I see that a fair bit on feedback from buyers where people have received goods meant for someone else - basically not matching the goods to the customer correctly.
I had the opposite experience with PayPal years ago. I sold an old iPhone of mine on eBay. Buyer buys it. I ship. All good. Then when the buyer gets it, they request a refund from PayPal. But they don't return my phone. Much worse, nobody requested a refund from me. Without communication from either the buyer or PayPal, PayPal just took the money out of my account! It was a few hundred dollars that just poofed without explanation. Nobody requested a refund from me. Nobody talked to me about issues with the phone. Nothing. Just woke up to find my payment gone.
I reached out to the buyer who never responded to me. I opened a case with PayPal, which was quickly denied! But I had tracking information and even a signature confirmation of delivery. In the end, I had to essentially spam PayPal and threaten to get the FBI involved myself until finally they gave me my money back!
It's tough purchasing from Discogs lately due to COVID-19 slowing the mail way down. I've learned that these days patience is required: the seller may only go to the post office once a week to drop off deliveries, and once it's in the postal service's hands, media mail has become a real crawl. Luckily with good communication with the seller, and a good tracking number, I still have a good track record buying via Discogs. And of course, only buy from people with solid seller ratings!
You can actually do that from a laptop now and schedule your carrier to pick it up from your porch without you having to go anywhere but your porch.... USPS.com.... click and ship. Get supplies delivered also.. (ya, his express boxes, free)
Man I’ve had numerous records be delayed the past 2 weeks due to covid. One was supposed to be delivered Wednesday last week and is floating around some where
As a seller, I've been super surprised at how fast media mail has been arriving to my buyers. My best guess is that mail volume being way down has cleared the way for items low on the USPS priority schedule to move sooner. I guess our mileage may vary. But yes- the communication is key, from buyer but especially seller. I tell the buyer that if I see a line at the Post Office, I'm not going in, so it may take an extra day or two, then communicate when it actually ships, and always send the tracking number.
To be fair, they did send a "set of boxes" and if they sent it on the weekend, you got what you reordered...
Just kidding. That's terrible. Glad it worked out alright, though!
LOL
It's sad to have to do it, but when I order anything of real value from a private seller (discogs/ebay/fb), I always video tape opening the package. Shrink wrapped boxes is pretty easy to prove. But had the seller sent you a box of rocks, it might have gone differently.
Very good idea!
This is good... and as a seller, I always document the outgoing process as well and send it to the buyer.. I find that people really appreciate this extra step.
I take pics of the boxes of items before I open
The downside to paypal is "the customer is always right" and it's easy to be scammed by buyers, or simply having a "no return" policy and forcing to return regret purchases when there was nothing wrong with the item.
Thank You for this video!!! I am having the same problem with a vendor from China. They gave me a USPS number in May and USPS website indicates they are waiting for the package. Everyone still should be wary of seller feedback.
Dude. I totally appreciate this video. I will be on the lookout from now on. I have seen deals like that with no seller feedback and wondered. Never pulled the trigger thank goodness. This can obviously happen to anyone buying online. Now I know what to expect e.g.. the FBI complaint requirement. Excellent post!
When I worked at PayPal this was a typical situation, but usually with expensive shoes and such. Someone would order something and someone would send a shower cap or some other worthless item so that it appeared the item was shipped.
Damn! Thanks man for the heads up! I feel like it should be obvious to trust your gut when it comes to “too good to be true” offers, especially when it’s something you’ve been wanting - but I don’t think it may always be so~ Stay Safe out there, collectors!
So glad to hear PayPal worked with you and got your money back. I remember how stressed out you sounded on the Facebook post.
This is why whenever i order a rare or expensive record, I record myself opening it and do a close up of the label before i open it that way if they ever send me a rock and send paypal a tracking number i have proof. Happy it ended in your favor!
I'm sure this has already been said a million times, but I think the biggest scam of new records is that they are made using digital sources, not the original source.
Exactly !
Mark Troddyn Vinyl per se won’t make any digital recording sound better, specially if one’s standard/benchmark for analog are pre-1980 recordings. Unless it is a well-done reissue of a pre-1985 recording I’m not much interested. I have sold back or returned many recent vinyl releases because I concluded that sonically wise I’m better off with the CD. Way cheaper, too.
@@alzamonart I 100 percent agree. I think what drives me crazy is that the music industry, seeing that they are losing money with CD sales, offers the public these recently pressed records that sound wise aren't any better than the CDs. I guess if you are losing money you will do whatever you can to stay in business. Regardless, walking into the music section of a Barnes and Nobles these days is pretty damn depressing.
Seems like in the last 4-5 years people have been given some kind of licence to be as low as possible..and think it's OK. It's definitely not! Thank you for this public service.
the fact that anyone would pay $200-$400 for a box set by "The Weekend" is really the scam...lol
You’ve clearly never heard Trilogy before :/ you’re missing out
This trick is a classic. I remember back in the days "before the internet", people received patatoes in stead of buzzers, or bricks in stead of a betamax/vhs recorder. And it was legal becouse they tricked you with words. Then they used advertising in papers to reach you.
Been a buyer on discogs for a long while now, and the general rule of thumb is to - like stated in the video - not buy super expensive stuff from someone who has no ratings or more negative than positive reviews, specially if the price is too good to be true. Also, check the seller reviews before buying if you feel like something is off. But most importantly, even if they have a 100% rating, make sure to do some background research before buying a record. This shouldn't have to be said, but it does happen: Sellers put records up for more than double their original price. For example, the repress of Ori and The Blind Forest's soundtrack is still for sale for 40 bucks, but people are already trying to sell it for over 100 dollars in order to earn a quick buck. Make sure you do some research, and check if the record you're looking for is in stock from the original store/seller/distributor/whatever, before buying it on Discogs for way more than they originally cost. If they're out of stock, it's natural that the flip is gonna be more though.
In general kids, the best thing to do is just avoid buying from sellers who don’t have feedback in the community. But if the day comes that you do need to buy something from a seller who hasn’t been vouched for, message them and ask for pictures of the product. Often times, they won’t be able to comply, because they do not actually own it. If they can’t provide multiple pictures, you likely have a scammer on your hands, and it’s best to just cut your losses at that point.
The sad thing is, this guy did provide pictures. I left that out of the story... and I tried to google reverse image search them and didn't find them. That would have been good to talk about..
I am glad PayPal worked it out with you. I am always leary of buying anything online, lol. Thanks for sharing and great hat! PJ4EVA!!
Between this and urban outfitters you gotta stop getting packages you weren’t expecting and going “oh that’s weird...maybe it was a mistake” 😂glad you got your money back!
Third time's the charm, I can't wait to see what weird stuff shows up next time...
I have started buying more records online again, and I worry about getting scammed. I'm glad this ended ok for you.
Frank
If you use PayPal, you'll almost always be protected, Frank! Just be aware of what you order and keep track :)
Go to your local record store and inspect before purchase. Problem solved.
Thanks for your comments man. I never buy on Discogs, only Amazon except a "compilation" that was sold by an outsider in the UK but within amazon, I'm still waiting for my package 😂
Thank you for this! Great video. It’s disgusting how people make a living out of scamming people.
The real scam here is spending money on The Weeknd LOL
ZACKLY
Haha y'all missin out
If your going to drop any money on The Weeknd then I’d rather do it on those albums than his newer stuff.
No. The real scam is being involved with paypal.
This scam could happen with any products, not just vinyl.
So glad that you got your money back! It's unfortunate that scammers are everywhere. Thank you for the warning and for saying the scammer's user name! Hope this never happens again.
Bait and switch isnt new. I ordered tested vintage Bozak 2" tweeters. Got them. One of the tweets had a dent in the aluminum cone. The dent was not in the photos on Ebay. Guy said they had several sets. I got what I ordered. There was no indication on the Ebay page that there were multiple sets and weren't receiving the pair that was photo'd. Paypal and Ebay sorted it out. Got my money back. I tried to work with seller first. They just give the run around.
Scammers are truly ruin the beauty of this hobby and it is sad. But I am glad you got your money back.
Some people truly are scumbags.
This is terrible! I am so glad you got your money back!
The reason why scams like this perpetuate is that most people will not do anything about it. Unfortunately, there is not much you can do about that, but doing your own diligence is the best one can do. I am glad it worked out and I hope the scammer gets what is coming to him and the FBI follows up on this, because the consequences for him are HUGE! We are talking years, up to a decade jail time for this idiot!
I’m not a huge fan of all the music you are into but I really enjoy your shows and the information you share with everyone on the hobby of music collecting and info as in this vid. You do a great job and are very well spoken, take care and always giving you a thumbs up 👍.
I appreciate you!!
Sorry to hear that. Hope ur case will be reopened.
I live in Malaysia, I frequently buy vinyl on ebay. Since this is Global Shipping program, it would be hard for them to scam because the GSP will reopen the package prior shipping internationally.
I have to say, fair play for being able to even involve someone like the FBI, here in the UK my accounts got hacked even though I had MFA enabled, bizarrely it some how got disabled (which isn't supposed to be possible) and idiotically the person who did it didn't use a VPN, so the external IP access showed where it was from. I reported it to the UK police and was basically laughed at and told to go away before I was investigated for harassment of this person who clearly did it. The lack of understanding of Cyber crime is embarassing.
I bought a Grateful Dead boxset for about half what it normally sells for. The package was mailed to a truck stop 2 miles from my house. The PO was very helpful and they got the package to my house. Of course when I opened it, it was a Whitney Houston cd! Paypal was also very helpful.
I think when you order online it's just a matter of time that you get scammed (whether it works or not) and I'm just sorry that better safeguards are not in place for buyers.. Craigslist is notorious for scams and have nearly been caught up myself.. Never had an issue with Discogs, but...... the day is young....................
I've bought thousands of things on ebay and ioffer and discogs and never had anything happen.. Except the mailman folded a 45 in half to put in my box once. I threw a fit at the post office and they fired the idiot...
The two biggest scams ever:
#2 - Gene Simmons "Vault". $2,000/ $25,000/ $50,000 - Make believe safe box containing 1 large book and 11 CDs holding 166 songs that span a range of 50 years of demos, unreleased songs, and alternate takes. A non precious metal coin, doll, and assorted random leftover trinkets as consolation prizes. $2K will have you attend a place where other buyers will gather and Gene Simmons will personally deliver the box to you, as well as pose for pictures for a couple of minutes. $25K You and Gene in a recording studio listening to the CDs for 2 hours and talking about anything. $50K Gene will come to your house for 2 hours and you can bring 20 of your friends to attend. He will sing songs with his guitar and tell jokes.. All three include the "vault" with the CDs and trinkets.
#1 - Vinnie Vincent Boxset. originally sold for $200 in the late 90s, not one single unit has been delivered to this day. Two years ago as he emerged as a transexual woman, she promised that the people that paid for those boxes would get 2 as compensation as soon as they are ready to be delivered. As of this writing, not one has ever been delivered to anyone.
Dammmm that’s soo shitty bro! I hate those kind of people! I’m hella happy you got refunded by PayPal tho and thanks for making a video warning all of us about it too! Some people are just shitty people and that’s pretty much it.. thanks for the knowledge Matt!
That is crazy! Sorry that happened. Even with getting your money back it just leaves a pit in your stomach. No matter how bad I want a grail, I never purchase a grail with less than 100 positive feedback. I have also gotten in the habit or requesting very, very specific pictures of grails. Now you can still get scammed, but at least you have more confidence knowing the person at least has a copy.
Interesting, thanks. Scammers get more creative all the time. John Sherwood, one of Bob’s UB roommates.
to add to my comment yesterday, I had a seller on discogs (with no feedback) post a Green Day "Father of All..." vinyl brand new...the version with the uncensored cover for a decent price. He shipped it before I even paid for it and the whole sale was legit and the record arrived in a few days. You just never know.
Hey Matt - you had mentioned in a previous video that you had thoughts on both sides for RSD, record flipping online, etc. now that we are a few months away, i'd love to see a video with your take on flippers, how it's being handled this year, etc.
my brother foolishly ordered a motorbike online....He tracked the package for ages, finally a box of old shoes turned up.
Ordering a $200 item from a seller with no feedback is just irresponsible!!!
Always file a report for ANY scam, or even an attempted scam, with the appropriate authority. If it’s interstate commerce, file a report with the FBI, the ICC, or both.. if it’s intrastate commerce, file with your state’s authorities. Yesterday I received a scam call regarding Social Security, and immediately reported it. These jerks are hoping we are too stupid or too lazy to file a report. If you don’t, you are playing into their hands, and making it more dangerous for all of us.
Glad you got refunded. Best case scenario would have been you got Trilogy for $200.😉
Thanks for the warning.
Legwork...I've added about 1200 albums to my collection in the last 2 years at flea-markets and garage sales. Everything from Sinatra's "In the Wee Small Hours", to VH1, and from Memphis Slim to The Troggs...The highest price I've paid was $63.00 Canadian for a very early New Zealand Parlophone pressing of Please Please Me which had news clippings for the 1964 Beatles concert in Wellington N.Z. and is in magnificent condition..
This happened to me in the UK a few years back. Paypal accepted the scammer's Proof of Posting receipt. They said "There is nothing we can do, it is his word against yours." I will never use paypal again.
That's crazy! i'm glad you were able to get your money back. They should ban this guy.
It's ridiculous how expensive the trilogy set is going for 😔 at least I have a copy of House of Balloons.
The one dislike is the dude that scammed u💀💀💀💀💀
my motto has always been. If it doesn't allow paypal, its probably not legit. As a buyer paypal is god tier and I have always had zero issues with them. There customer service is absolutely amazing.
well known trick been pulled for years, you sell something the buyer gets it but claims its not legit and demands a refund. SO they send you it back with tracking so they get their money back, only for you to find they did not send it back, they sent an empty box !! Happened to me a couple of time and proved a right pain to sort out.
Generally speaking, I only buy used albums at yard sales or record stores where I can actually see and inspect the record first. I do order online sometimes but that's only new albums from either Amazon, Walmart or on ebay when the address it's coming from shows up as Shepherdsville, KY as that's less than an hour's drive from me and I can go to them if I have any problems and so far never have had any. Been burned a couple times buying from unknowns. Live and learn.
I buy from. The " shepardssvillie Kentucky " get comport guy too. Never had a problem! Great service
Any veteran who buys an item from an account with no feedback at half the going rate deserves to lose their money. Everyone thinks they're "smarter than everyone else" when faced with getting a deal.
I got scammed once… lost $150. I wasn’t careful, but I’ve been extra cautious since
This has happened to a mate who thought he was getting a 'grail' guitar for a steal...
That's crazy. Happy the money came back relatively quickly especially once the FBI got involved. I wonder how many people aren't as vigilant and just give up.
Hopefully this video encourages people to do the opposite!
I once bought a cassette copy of Sail On by The Imperials for a little under $10 from an unrated seller last month, and I got the tape. I know it's not always the case, but that's my experience, and I was the first review on her.
this "box scam" has been going on since the start of ebay? lol
Great Channel. Everything this dude says is on point. Ive experienced so much of what he talks about.
Tell all your friends ;)
Wow holy crap! I can't believe he even bothered to send you a fake package! SMH
Something like this happened to me on Ebay once a few years ago. Only, I was the seller. A guy bought an expensive $300 record from me, said he wanted to return it, and sent back a different record, worth pennies. But since he had tracking, ebay & paypal sided with him. I quit using ebay after that, for good.
The one person that dislikes the video might be the scammer. LOL
this is a conspiracy theory I can get behind
@@TooManyRecords ya. Lol. Sorry to hear that you got scammed but great to hear that you got your money back! Thanks mate for this video too.
Well you now have 18 scammers, lol
@@akadjfuse Maybe they are tired of "that being said."
The seller was Urban Outfitters. They were trying to recoup their losses after they sent some woman four records she never returned.
It pays to shop online at reputable dealers and sellers. Low feed back means buyer beware! Thanks for sharing this info!
A very similar situation happened to me on discogs where I ordered a mint copy of this rare record which came in terrible, unplayable condition. I opened a PayPal dispute with the seller and they suggested sending it back. Once I had subsequently sent the item back the seller accused me of sending him another copy of the album in the terrible aforementioned condition I initially received it in. PayPal closed the claim in sellers favour and I was devoid of all hope. Fortunately I was persistent with PayPal and through my bank I was able to carefully explain the predicament and they promptly refunded me. Usually situations like this don’t often happen but it only takes one dodgy seller!
That's a traditional scam.
You need to do us all a favor and name the seller.
Probably the best thing to do is to ask questions of the seller if there's a variant on the first pressing that they're unaware of especially on online shopping ask ask questions about the record whether there's a UPC or if there's a label variant that denotes that it's the first pressing because unfortunately sellers on eBay and discogs think they're selling the first pressing and it's not as far as scammers go always check their feedback that's usually a good first clue to who you're dealing with thanks Matt was a good video
Thank you for taking the time and sharing your experience
Thanks for sharing. Even Discogs & Paypal couldn't help you initially, thats terrifying but thanks for spreading your story. It will lead to more cautious buying.
Discogs are shit,I only buy on ebay
I hate people like that. Absolutely disgusting. Glad you got your money back.
I remember seeing this and wondering how it sold so fast! I have been wanting this same box set! I was going to buy it but it did look fishy! Glad it worked out for you!
Worked out... kinda.
Glad you were able to get some justice, Matt. Thanks for the warning.
Thanks for the warning. Glad you got your money back.
I just recently started selling stuff on discogs & put prices below normal just so I'm more likely to get sales & build up good reviews...as a new seller I wanted to do that until I built a reputation as a good seller. Perfect 5 star reviews so far!!! I keep in touch with the buyer, let them choose a shipping method, give them tracking, & pack items as best as I possibly can to try to prevent damage during shipment. So no...a seller with no feedback could have been me. & I'm working hard to build a good reputation.
Discogs really should allow and encourage sellers to attach their own photos rather than using Discogs' existing images. This would make it easier to spot scams; on eBay a seller than can only provide stock photos rather than photos of the actual item being sold is a massive red flag.
I'm more of a movie collector myself, but always worried about 'scams' and such. So far all has been good for me with Ebay and all. But I'm sure one of these days I'll see something 'too good to be true' and get hosed. Plus, I'm also a new seller on Ebay, and I guess what's slowing down sales is that I just use regular post for my stuff. No tracking or anything. Keeps costs WAY down for S&H, but then there's the added wait time and angst of safe delivery. But even for those that are panicked where there stuff might be, I keep in contact with them to assure 'hopefully soon'. And so far so good. But yeah, I can see how people would think I'm a scammer too possibly. A shame these dillweeds exist and are so brazen with their schemes.
I was scammed too, by a seller from Italy. He was rushing me for money for an LP, I paid him, then he kept quiet. Although initially my case was closed, after speaking to PayPal, they reopened, and acted in my favour by refunding me the payment. I can't remember the name of the seller at this moment.
I've got buyers that have tried to pull a fast one by having the PayPal address different from Discogs address. Usually, they are from out of the country and say that they have a forwarding service in the US to send packages to them in bulk to save on shipping. A lot of them pay the order and end wasting your time and their money. DON'T fall for this. PayPal will only insure the seller for purchases that match the shipping address at the time of purchase. Ship only to the address in PayPal even if it's next door. Unless someone has a different method of payment to cover situations like this.
Being a vinyl collector is so discouraging on a regular basis... It can be such a nightmare sometimes
How the hell they gonna mess with our emotions that way.. 🔥🔥
Thank you for the heads up! We’ve been buying a lot from discogs during the quarantine and never even thought of something like that. There were a few sellers that we encountered that refused to take PayPal which was a huge red flag to me and didn’t buy from them. It sucks that this kind of thing gives people who are trying to start a legit online record shop a bad name because you don’t start with feedback. There’s always someone who has to ruin it for everyone. Thank things worked out well and PayPal handled it well. -Miranda
A few years ago, I bid on an eBay auction for an album I wanted. I won the auction at a reasonable price and made my payment. What arrived was a CD rip of the album and not the original. Since I had spent only around $20 for the whole thing, and the music was actually more important to me for this purchase than the label, I just left a negative review stating that it was not exactly as advertised, and swallowed the loss. But, as it really was the music that I wanted in the first place and the value wasn't that high, I didn't feel too bad about it.
I do a credit card dispute and let PP go hang. The money is returned in a credit form right away, and my bank does the investigation. I always used PP but I never dispute with them, I go straight for the card instead. That gets everybodys attention!
Its a mine field out there... Though I, too, have willing stepped into the danger zone based on "you never know." PayPal and other protection is a godsend, but as you say when it seems to good to be true... but then again human nature is a funky thing... we will always wonder "what if," and say to ourselves " you never know."
All part of the hobby, but thanks for reminding us all of the hazards.