You'd use the exact same headline. He literally said if he'd go back to 1995 he'd do it again. I've always supported Lance as an athlete and for his support to charities, now more people will get to hear the story that makes us continue to look up to him.
Also they aren't in court they don't have to use verbatim. Is it misleading to replace "it" with "cheating" when "it" literally refers to cheating? I think the problem was that he didn't give any click baiting quotes, and they were trying to promote his message. If they used this interview to mislead him and make him look terrible, I'd agree its bad. I don't think journalists should run smear pieces, but they have every right to try and promote whatever they wish.
That's a completely unrelated comparison, and in no way a defense of verbatim. In your case the quote would've been taken verbatim, but it would be out of context, however the context obviously implies something that is completely opposite to the quote. You also brought race in to emphasize a point when there was nothing there before. He said I wouldn't cheat now because nobody does it anymore. If everyone was doing it, "Yeah I'd probably do it again". That's not taking anything out of context, that's making the most common editorial quote change in the history of media to bring people's attention because Lance basically said if I had to do it over again, I'd probably cheat again. Therefore the title is not misleading, or disingenuous at all. I'm not knocking Lance one bit, he doesn't want an unfair advantage, he just wants to compete harder than anyone else.
I said your comparison is unrelated, not out of context. My point was you can never give full context. This video doesn't give good context. Are you saying the title should be banned? Or the video? Also this title actually does describe what he says accurately, people are just butthurt because he said well yes and no. If the title was "I wouldn't do it again" then THAT would be misleading because he literally said that he would, but that's not the case so this is really just fine. If you want more context, watch the video, its simply not misleading though.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's quote there's only two types of champions ones that do steroids and ones that lie about doing steroids. Arnold Schwarzenegger quotes in encyclopedia to modern body building
I completely understand that point of view. Perhaps McGuire/Sosa/Bonds/Conseco see it that way too. When you're in a competitive professional environment & u see people around u getting ahead by cheating - it's difficult not to b tempted to behave as they do. I've never had the pressure of being a pro-athlete on my shoulders but I'm still confident in my judgment that when u begin cheating to keep up, you have become part of the corruption. Sadly, when I hear Armstrong say he'd do it again or spout off $figures about bike sales & charities(as noble as those endeavors may be) I interpret that as someone who is still making excuses for the role they played in amplifying the problem.
it's actually NOT out of context. It would be out of context, if he said "I'm not gonna say: I'd do it again". This however is a QUOTE. HE ACTUALLY SAID AND MEANT IT.
@@st3ppenwolf Satanic people do satanic things, like hurt others for profit. Our world has been captured by Satanists and we are fighting with GOD to get it back.
@@jennifers4528 he didn’t say he would cheat again, he said that he would dope again if it was 1995 and doping was pervasive. It’s cheating if you are the only person doing it, but it’s not cheating if everyone is doing it
Great interview. He gives a brutally honest reaction- not the reaction many expect or wish for- but very honest. Refreshing to see. Don't condone his actions but respect him being forthcoming.
@@JackIsNotInTheBox google what a sociopath is. His "honest" way of talking is him not having feelings of shame or regret. This is also why he is such a great liar and how he fooled everyone and ruthlessly destroyed people around him for years while being charismatic and creating a cult-like following. That's pretty much what (successful) sociopaths do.
@@NJ-wb1cz Yeah, most of psycho/sociopaths are in the social pinnacle of many things. They dont care for people, so they just search for happiness in these kind of things.
@@Herbert2892 yup. Some part of humanity evolved innate repulsion towards sociopaths as a counter tactic, perhaps because those that didn't have it had a tendency to die a lot back in the messy days of human history. But not everyone has it, sadly.
He actually got away with it. He wasn't caught until he did his comeback. Floyd Landis called him and asked for a job. Lance said sorry, you're kryptonite, can't have you. Landis said "oh yeah?" and went public about all the doping. Had Fraudstrong not attempted a comeback, he'd never have been caught.
I raced in that era, got signed in 2003 by a French team. Got there, saw what was happening with the doping and decided that I don't want to make a living like that. Now nearly 15 years later, I think I would tell myself to go and do it. It is not just the racing and winning the money and salaries, it is all the other doors that become open to you that otherwise would be nearly impossible to get access to. It's a dog eat dog world out there...
I think this is a great comment. You experienced the reality of the scene, rejected it, which society would judge as heroic, yet it leaves you admitting the cost of being honest. If it was not Lance it would have been somebody else no question. That to me makes a big difference.
@@robogreek3157 it may appear as an excuse but is legit as clearly we all know how many were on PEDS.. I think anyone who wasn’t on them would use this excuse for not making it.
mitchell strong So what you're saying is that 20% of the top riders weren't in trouble for PEDs? So it was still possible to be a top rider and not dope during the late 90s? I know, it's more than likely that they were never caught but there's also a chance that they were clean and Lance's argument is completely false. Also, just curious where that factoid came from.
"the vast majority of cyclists at armstrongs time never tested positive." LOL! Lance Armstrong passed every blood test when he was competing. It wasn't until well after his riding days that he got caught. It's meaningless. They all know how to pass a drug test. Cycling is one of, if not the dirtiest sport out there. Damn near every one of them were cheating.
Wally Hays says: "So what you're saying is that 20% of the top riders weren't in trouble for PEDs?.." = He's not saying 20% were clean. 20% may have gotten away.
@@dscoduc Some did. Some suspected. Most did'nt want to know. The thing is -regarding trying to get money back from the investors -it has to be proven that they knew.
Lance is way more earnest and honest with himself and the audience then he used to; he's been able to step outside of himself now. Good for you, Lance. Impressive.
Stepping outside and using 3rd person is his way of deflecting the blame onto his other self. Instead of saying "I lied, I cheated" he says "that guy lied, that guy cheated" and he pretends all his vain, ill gotten glory was for cancer, but it was for Lance. That said, I don't blame him. Just got caught.
I'm an runner and never in my life took steroids or smoked a damn thing in my life... be the Hall of Famer not the Hall of Shamer. Be the example for kids or you will be hated for a long time
You were also never offered 10s of millions to be at the top of the sport. Hard to say what your decision would be if you were promised the world but...you had to do this what you would do. I'm convinced that any athlete at the absolute top of their sport isn't on some type of performance enhancer and continues to take it to stay in that position. Sports are an money maker, and the athletes are just pawns for making more money.
Lance didn't take steroids he took EPO or Erythropoeitin, an extra dose of a hormone produced by your kidneys to stimulate production of red blood cells. It's not a strength increase, just raises the amount of oxygen that can reach your tissues so you can bike longer.. not as fraudulent as steroids in my opinion.
Lance Armstrong entered a sport where to win you needed to cheat. The Spanish cyclists had government backing, as did their tennis players, athletes and footballers. Lance did what he needed to do. However, Lance remains a cheat, a bully and a liar. He is not a good role model.
Everyone involved were getting so rich that no one wanted to stop the money train. So everyone from the top down turned a blind eye to what was going on.
Armstrong was just the top of the iceberg. Even an italian cyclist, Danilo Di Luca, winner of an edition of the Italian Tour, admitted that, without dope, was not possible to win anything in that period.
When I tried riding on drugs I couldn't even find my bike! Seriously though..he didnt say he would still cheat. He said if you were to take him back to 95 given the same circumstances he would do the same. He was playing a level playing field back then. PHD have been pervasive in all sports for many years. Cycling was one of the worst. Still is. They were all on one thing or another....
if there was no EPO test and he had to cheat to win he would. Same thing. He would not cheat now because few are doping - testing has improved and detection is likely. In principle he would cheat if he had to and thought he could get away with it. Amounts to the same thing.
man all of sports was different back then, NFL, basketball, baseball, soccer, MMA, boxing.... all the elite athletes were on steroids, everybody knows that
He wasn’t the only one cheating. The whole sport was rotten to the core. Lance has served his time.... if he can, then let him earn money to help sick people who need it.
That’s our world. People will still back this man and be a fan of him after knowing he cheated and lied. That’s the world we live in and we have to accept it, some people don’t care if someone does wrong, just as long as that wrong isn’t down to them they will still support it. And it’s so sad.
He still had to get on that bike and ride his ass off to win those titles. Just like Barry Bonds had to still use his great ability with eye / hand coordination to hit the damn home runs. Give these athletes some credit. They still work their asses off. PED's didnt do that much to make them successful, it was their talent.
Everyone cheated back then. At least he is honest about it and let's not forget that he almost died of cancer at 25, then came back to the top level and managed to raise a lot of money for cancer charity. We need to look at the whole picture.
@@yasminvillanueva3141if it didn t do thst much of a difference he wouldn't have taken them. He won 7 in a row, if the epo didn t do that much of a difference, he would have won natty say at least 1, which would have still been amazing.
if everybody cheats, then who cares? It's a dirty sport and they have no one to blame but themselves. Quit pushing all the responsibility onto the athletes. All the clean ones did not qualify.
Lance has this undertone of compassion towards the people he was also trying to help. Can't put my finger on it, but he doesn't sound like that bad of a guy. Kinda sounds like he cares about people... In a way that's sincere... Like he doesn't care how he's viewed, only how he can help. I respect him.
Did Arnold Schwarzenegger lie under oath whilst giving sworn testimony? Did Arnold sue people and ruin their lives when they told the truth. No he didn't. It's NOT like Arnold taking steroids for bodybuilding, Armstrong was a vindictive cheat, liar and a bully and an embarrassment to America. Just ask his mother.
Lance's drug cheating was horrible, but the worst part about him was how he treated other people and how he was a pathological liar. He's a rotten, nasty, and despicable human being.
Who cares even if you were right (you arent but whatever). That just means 1999-2005 was a worthless dogshit era which didnt even produce a single top 30 cyclist of all time, Lance Pharmstrong included. The era is so shitty they didnt even bother renaming a replacement Tour de France winner as that whole era was a bunch of talentless dopers and non legends, so it is like that period didnt even exist. So lets just pretend you were right, Lance was the best of a nothing era that barely existed, it still makes him nothing.
Ralph Bourgeois pretend I’m right? I have done a lot of reading on Lance Armstrong and his career most of cyclists where doping at that time but no one did it on the scale that he did. Greg LeMond is still on record the ONLY AMERICAN to win the tour. How much reading do you do before you post. I’m not taking anything away from cycling I’m just saying that at the time it was easy to dope and get away with it if you have the people conducting the test in your payroll.
@@Unpopularopinions98 I wasnt responding to you but to John Franklin. I 100% agree with you, yes many others doped (not sure if all like some are saying, that is largely conjecture, it wouldnt surprise me, but people stating it as absolute fact are just doing so as more baseless Lance Pharmstrong defending and excusing), but nobody had the access to the quality and standard of drugs Lance Pharmstrong did. And the only ones who even came close were his only teammates who had team orders to work only for him to win and not even try to beat him, so they dont even count. And yes Greg LeMond won clean, and is miles superior to Lance.
Ralph Bourgeois my bad I thought the other guy was calling me stupid. I mean is lance talented yes he was but he wanted to be the best so bad he was willing to cheat to do so and I find that to be humiliating he even admitted he would do it again if it was 95.
He was a genius. Hard trainer, hard core competitor, a genius at using science to win. He beat the other doping guys at their own game. So what? I thought he was great.
"When the whole pelloton made that decision.." Oh yeah Lance, sure... What about Gilles Delion ? What about Christophe Bassons (who you bullied into retirement) ? What about Laurent Lefèvre ? What about Patrice Halgand ? What about these guys who always refused doping despite the pressure and the s***load of money that was offered to them ?
Yes! He destroyed the reputations of many people, and created a living hell for the people around him. He wrongfully sued people that told the truth and financially crippled them. I think the people on here would sing a different tune after reading David Walsh's book on the shit that Armstrong and his management goons pulled. He's a cold blooded sociopath who has never truly taken responsibility of what he did.
@@zoesinclair2359 i dont know much about cycling but t4ll me if my conclusion about Lance and cycling is correct. While we know that everyone wasnt cheating. The lqrge majotity, was doping and 100% of the elite cyclists wete on something. So even though Lance doped he shoulld still be considered great. Because thr best cyclists wete also on stuff and they couldnt beat him
When he got caught, he could have come out and say, this is my story! I almost died of cancer, survived and cheated my way to succes. 7 times! Hahaha. Still a succes story though, he lived a live he almost lost. I have respect for the achievement, but how he treated people was very rude and manipulative. So good achievement, horrible person.
The U.S. Postal Service spent 32 million on sponsorship for Lance's teams. They made back 106 million. This from a study commissioned by the Postal Service and reported in the Denver Post. Only the facts, Ma'am.
Nobody wins from the era of doping... I admire him for FINALLY admitting it. Everyone was doing for the most part, it's hard not to feel for him... the winners pay the biggest price, nobody cares about the ones who were doping then but never won anything. Doesn't make it right, but there it is.
You are dead right. The drugs only gave that little extra when Lance was already the best. Its like bodybuilding you first need a solid base on which to build apon before steroids will give you any gain.
Well that is not necessarily true. Now I do hold the position he wasn't the only cheater, 99% of the peloton cheated so was he the best under the circumstances? Sure he was. But, and this is important to note, EPO, Lance's main drug, has a certain way of working. It raises your hematocrit, which affects your recovery and your peak performance. But you can only raise it to a certain level (regulations have a max hematocrit and push it past a certain point and you die). So let's say you got two riders, who are both clean. Both riders are equal in prowess, but one guy has a natural low hematocrit and the other guy has a natural high hematocrit. Now the second guy has far less margin to grow using drugs than the first guy. If both start using EPO, than the first guy will blow the second guy out of the water. If they don't, we got a fair race. That is what doping does. That is why you can't compare doped up athletes to themselves when they are not doped up.
All the UFC fighters are on steroids and all the UFC legends have been caught cheating, and guess what, they fight the next fight and no one beats an eye, Aka Canelo😂
It seems to me that he does not regret what he did because it raised a lot of money and helped people. What he does regret is the way he did it and how he treated people he probably cared about
he did not say that he regrets because the charities would not have benefitted. He cited industry growth and charitable donations as benefits of the work he did in cycling - which of course was based on cheating. He does not say what his primary motivation was but self enrichment and fame are likely. So he would have cheated again but he would like to be a nicer guy doing the cheating.
A very short 1943 book by C.S. Lewis called the Abolition of Man speaks to Lance's regret. We all "sin" and the sense of regret shows that we acknowledge a sense of the "Tao". His story is remarkable in so many ways. I identify with his sense of regret when remembering past mistakes...there is hope but from a quarter we''ve been conditioned to ignore.
Armstrong saying he’d do it again if it was 95 shouldn’t be a surprise. I completely understand that. To be competitive at that time meant you had to dope. Or walk away from the sport with your conscience intact.
Let's be clear..Lance will be the ultimate scapegoat for doping in cycling,not because he cheated,yet for how he treated other people,including his peers,the press,and even his friends.Yeah,we do have to take a long look at EVERYONE involved,yet Lance is ALONE in how he did things...
Why don't they just call all Cycling Tours "The DOPING Tours", no regulations, open and free for all riders, instead of hiding and lying. The best of the best DOPERS
Unfortunately Lances narcissism got the best of him. If he would have stayed retired this wouldn’t even be a story. He would be a legend and everyone would love him. Instead his narcissistic behavior made it that he can’t be out of the spot light and fighting something🤷🏼♂️Even his confession is part of his narcissistic behavior..when you make a decision like he and his team made you take that to the grave bc you have more than just your ass on the line there are ALL HIS TEAMMATES that he sold out and their families. His doping doesn’t bother me..him destroying all his former teammates that elevated him to his current fortune, fame and now notoriety have been betrayed. He is trash for that and that alone
I could dope as much as I like, I would never reach the level Lance would. He inspired me the way no one else would. I would never have cycled without seeing the way he trains, the way he race.
Ringleader, bullying, intimidation, lying, betraying of friends. “Some of that is true and some of that is not true” not quite sure what in this list he regards as not true.
To be honest... In an era when all the cyclist were doping... It doesn't even matter. And like he says, all the benefits that came to the foundation and cycling itself. Such hypocrissy to go after Lance. They should just cancel the last 25 years of cycling events if they are honest,
The sad part is that no one won during this time of cycling. Yes, you could say many profited and have many accolades... but the sport and some of the fans died after that. I will say that it was awesome to see all of those races during that time. And they brought so many people and money to the sport. And.. just like many professional sports through the decades.. some will NEVER be caught ( profiting after it all while looking the other way), and some will be the sacrificed lambs to be the example. At the end of the day .. Lance deserved it... but we will never know if he really did.... if you know what I mean.
What a sociopath. He'd have made Eichmann proud with his moral flexibility. It is chillingly eerie how much he sounds like serial killer Ted Bundy in the final interview Bundy gave before getting the electric chair. Truly eerie how similar the two sound. The casual "contextualizing" and justifying of utterly amoral, sociopathic, reprehensible behavior.
Most people can't cycle 10 km, these guys were doing a 200 a day a high speed and huge mountains, give them a break and let's just accept it's part of elite sport.
@@BeanyOwns No he's not. Once you take drugs to get the edge on your opponents you are no longer the best. He cheated. Just like the rest of his opponents.
Thats not true ... Not every cyclist doped equally, Armstrong simply is more heavily doped using combination of a few types of doping methods while the rest of them were less doped up.. From witness accounts Lance Armstrong doped far more heavily than every other cyclists because he had the clout protection from upstairs and also the financial means ...
Scapegoat for an entire era of cycling. If everybody is cheating, Lance Armstrong is the best. If nobody is cheating, Lance Armstrong is the best. Look towards bodybuilding for the idea behind that statement, they all take the same compounds, they all do the work, but there has to be a winner and often the most naturally gifted will dominate for a number of years. Personally I think that carries across. I also think that the powers that be within all major sports generally accept that doping happens and not only that, but allow it to continue. It is that rife across the board that if they were serious about getting rid of drug cheats instead of simply making an example out of someone every so often, there would be 10x the amount of testing that goes on currently, and punishments would be much more severe.
"they all take the same compounds" .. Just factually incorrect. You have no idea what you're talking about. Lance only won because he was cheating MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. Get it?!
His crime isn't doping, it's the countless lives he destroyed trying to cover it up. And now in his sick self-absorbed twisted mind he thinks he's being somehow unjustly punished and now a victim. Unforgivable!!! "Don't go away mad, just go away"...
Even after the years he lied , and the years since he confessed. There really still is redemption for the confessed liar. Confession is the last credit a damned man can earn. In Christianity, that is the only credit you need in the blood of Jesus Christ the messiah.
Lance Armstrong survived cancer, won the Tour 7 times, and exposed all of the corruption in cycling, but his attitude turned him into a hated poster child of a dying sport. Everyone knows for a fact there were egotistical Spaniards who doped and continued racing for years after Lance was banned *cough cough* CONTADOR, but their legacy is 100% unscathed because they weren't American and they weren't the best riders in the peloton at the time.
That interviewer at the same age as Lance Armstrong when Lance was at his peak could come off the street and take the same stuff as Lance because he would come miles if not days in a GC race behind Lance. It’s not all about doping, it gives you an edge, but was it an uneven edge? What about all the determination, dedication and physical factor that Lance had that made him the best numerous times over, albeit, in a murky world? Was all the other placements in his races made null and void? According to others, he was a remarkable athlete before taking up cycling.
Quirky catch phrases like 'Performance Enhancing Substances' drive people into confusions about life. If the phrase was "Person Enhancing Substance" then people might think like "Oh! You had a great breakfast and now you're ready for the game!" But no, the observer "purist", the observer "naturalist" wants to extract the competing person from what he does. The observer regards relevant contexts as his own to put the user beside, even outside the difference the user makes. Lance should be enjoying a well paid advertising job to promote the image of his great health and abilities that he built up to. Nobody puts a handful of tablets and a protein shake on the seat of a bike and says "Now this stack will win!" Look at what's happening. Savings separate cash from value. Electronics separate physical people from their messages. Literature separates ideas from their origins. The list goes on to a long distance. Lance, you won. Nobody can ever change the past - even if they can cuss and holler. Ride on, Bro. Look at pro-league body builders and weight lifters, for example. Former Governor of California who? How many Mr. Olympias? How many Mr. Olympians? Now, competition rules are another matter. That has its own morality. That's a system to equalize the chances of winning and losing. But a person who competes to win is not competing to equalize chances. He's trying to make the chances as unequal as he can!!!
He ruined other peoples life. He destroyed those who called him out. He made tons of money from it. Defending his foundation is Such bullshit. Those money could have been earned cleanly for a just cause.
No contrition what so ever...ridiculous...lance u betrayed us all, I even hoped beyond hope when the allegations surfaced that the doping was untrue cause you were such an inspiration to us all, this goes beyond cycling and doping, you lied to the entire world for years and we all still wanted to believe it wasn’t so, that is inexcusable...
I hate how they made it sound like he was the only one who doped. They all did. What he did was inexcusable, what is even more inexcusable is that it continues to this day despite of how much people have come down on him.
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America's roided up guy beat the other roided up guys, the end.
Joshua LaPointe What does the fact that he is american have to do with any of it ?
Roided up Armstrong beat other roided up competitors. Better?
+Joshua LaPointe Exactly.
yup.
+ Mx D. Cause Americans like to think they are the best.
Shame the BBC has to put up such a contextually misleading headline.
Divakar its not, he said he would do it again. Only people who thinks it needs more context is those who dont care about what he did
You'd use the exact same headline. He literally said if he'd go back to 1995 he'd do it again. I've always supported Lance as an athlete and for his support to charities, now more people will get to hear the story that makes us continue to look up to him.
Also they aren't in court they don't have to use verbatim. Is it misleading to replace "it" with "cheating" when "it" literally refers to cheating? I think the problem was that he didn't give any click baiting quotes, and they were trying to promote his message. If they used this interview to mislead him and make him look terrible, I'd agree its bad. I don't think journalists should run smear pieces, but they have every right to try and promote whatever they wish.
That's a completely unrelated comparison, and in no way a defense of verbatim. In your case the quote would've been taken verbatim, but it would be out of context, however the context obviously implies something that is completely opposite to the quote. You also brought race in to emphasize a point when there was nothing there before. He said I wouldn't cheat now because nobody does it anymore. If everyone was doing it, "Yeah I'd probably do it again". That's not taking anything out of context, that's making the most common editorial quote change in the history of media to bring people's attention because Lance basically said if I had to do it over again, I'd probably cheat again. Therefore the title is not misleading, or disingenuous at all. I'm not knocking Lance one bit, he doesn't want an unfair advantage, he just wants to compete harder than anyone else.
I said your comparison is unrelated, not out of context. My point was you can never give full context. This video doesn't give good context. Are you saying the title should be banned? Or the video? Also this title actually does describe what he says accurately, people are just butthurt because he said well yes and no. If the title was "I wouldn't do it again" then THAT would be misleading because he literally said that he would, but that's not the case so this is really just fine. If you want more context, watch the video, its simply not misleading though.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's quote there's only two types of champions ones that do steroids and ones that lie about doing steroids. Arnold Schwarzenegger quotes in encyclopedia to modern body building
I completely understand that point of view. Perhaps McGuire/Sosa/Bonds/Conseco see it that way too. When you're in a competitive professional environment & u see people around u getting ahead by cheating - it's difficult not to b tempted to behave as they do. I've never had the pressure of being a pro-athlete on my shoulders but I'm still confident in my judgment that when u begin cheating to keep up, you have become part of the corruption. Sadly, when I hear Armstrong say he'd do it again or spout off $figures about bike sales & charities(as noble as those endeavors may be) I interpret that as someone who is still making excuses for the role they played in amplifying the problem.
@Mr. MERCEDES 95 Amen, Mr Mercedes...
That makes sense for bodybuilding, but not cycling. I am confident he meant for bodybuilding
He never said that.
So basically if u want to win. U do all u can too
The name of this video is a perfect example of how media uses a statement out of context to sensationalise a news piece
The problem is that a lot of idiots think that this stuff the media does is about ideology, whereas it seems to be all about money and click rate.
it's actually NOT out of context. It would be out of context, if he said "I'm not gonna say: I'd do it again". This however is a QUOTE. HE ACTUALLY SAID AND MEANT IT.
@@st3ppenwolf Satanic people do satanic things, like hurt others for profit. Our world has been captured by Satanists and we are fighting with GOD to get it back.
@@superdupertroy use the simplest explanation always.. otherwise you start deluding yourself
@@st3ppenwolf Yep Good v Evil is the simple explanation
It's so funny to see BBC criticize someone for lying when they themselves, for a 5mintue video, lied in their title.
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Lance Armstrong did say that. Did you watch the video?
@@jennifers4528 he didn’t say he would cheat again, he said that he would dope again if it was 1995 and doping was pervasive.
It’s cheating if you are the only person doing it, but it’s not cheating if everyone is doing it
@@bennathan7353 it's cheating if it's against the rules of the sport, if the majority are doping it doesn't make it OK, it's still cheating.
@@tinmachine693 well done, thanks for that,
It wasn’t just the majority, it was everyone, it was the sport. Anyway, it still wasn’t what he said
Great interview. He gives a brutally honest reaction- not the reaction many expect or wish for- but very honest. Refreshing to see. Don't condone his actions but respect him being forthcoming.
He's a sociopath. You're giving him credit for not giving into something that he doesn't really have at all.
@@NJ-wb1cz Explain yourself
@@JackIsNotInTheBox google what a sociopath is. His "honest" way of talking is him not having feelings of shame or regret. This is also why he is such a great liar and how he fooled everyone and ruthlessly destroyed people around him for years while being charismatic and creating a cult-like following.
That's pretty much what (successful) sociopaths do.
@@NJ-wb1cz Yeah, most of psycho/sociopaths are in the social pinnacle of many things. They dont care for people, so they just search for happiness in these kind of things.
@@Herbert2892 yup. Some part of humanity evolved innate repulsion towards sociopaths as a counter tactic, perhaps because those that didn't have it had a tendency to die a lot back in the messy days of human history. But not everyone has it, sadly.
if he was nicer, perhaps they would not have hunted him down.
He actually got away with it. He wasn't caught until he did his comeback. Floyd Landis called him and asked for a job. Lance said sorry, you're kryptonite, can't have you. Landis said "oh yeah?" and went public about all the doping. Had Fraudstrong not attempted a comeback, he'd never have been caught.
@@GodfatherInOhio Fr. Landis is the whole reason why it all blew up and then everyone started getting involved.
I raced in that era, got signed in 2003 by a French team. Got there, saw what was happening with the doping and decided that I don't want to make a living like that. Now nearly 15 years later, I think I would tell myself to go and do it. It is not just the racing and winning the money and salaries, it is all the other doors that become open to you that otherwise would be nearly impossible to get access to. It's a dog eat dog world out there...
Don't take your dreams for reality
Well stated.
Bullshit... your making excuses for not making it. Sometimes people try and fail ...it's OK. I hate people making excuses following scandals
I think this is a great comment. You experienced the reality of the scene, rejected it, which society would judge as heroic, yet it leaves you admitting the cost of being honest. If it was not Lance it would have been somebody else no question. That to me makes a big difference.
@@robogreek3157 it may appear as an excuse but is legit as clearly we all know how many were on PEDS.. I think anyone who wasn’t on them would use this excuse for not making it.
from 1998 -2005
8 out of the top 10 riders were in trouble for ped's. thats just the top 10 places. after the 10th place, it was just as bad.
mitchell strong So what you're saying is that 20% of the top riders weren't in trouble for PEDs? So it was still possible to be a top rider and not dope during the late 90s? I know, it's more than likely that they were never caught but there's also a chance that they were clean and Lance's argument is completely false. Also, just curious where that factoid came from.
@Wally Hays
No, it wasn't possible to be a top rider without doping. It is what it is.
"the vast majority of cyclists at armstrongs time never tested positive."
LOL! Lance Armstrong passed every blood test when he was competing. It wasn't until well after his riding days that he got caught. It's meaningless. They all know how to pass a drug test.
Cycling is one of, if not the dirtiest sport out there. Damn near every one of them were cheating.
Wally Hays says:
"So what you're saying is that 20% of the top riders weren't in trouble for PEDs?.."
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He's not saying 20% were clean.
20% may have gotten away.
Interesting to know who the fastest clean cyclist was. Guess we'll never know
“Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy”
- Bill Burr
Haha I remember that
The ends don't justify the means Lance. The foundation . The bike sales. The sport profile. Cheating does not justify any of it.
Yeah you're right... all those people who benefited from Lance (LiveString, Trek, UCI) totally should give it all back....
@@dscoduc Not likely. They all have a simple defense -"We did'nt know".
@@bellavia5 Everyone knew (wink wink, nod nod)... Nobody said anything because they didn't want to upset the gravy train...
@@dscoduc Some did. Some suspected. Most did'nt want to know. The thing is -regarding trying to get money back from the investors -it has to be proven that they knew.
Lance is way more earnest and honest with himself and the audience then he used to; he's been able to step outside of himself now. Good for you, Lance. Impressive.
Honest with himself what a lie
Stepping outside and using 3rd person is his way of deflecting the blame onto his other self. Instead of saying "I lied, I cheated" he says "that guy lied, that guy cheated" and he pretends all his vain, ill gotten glory was for cancer, but it was for Lance.
That said, I don't blame him. Just got caught.
Too bad this isn’t a show about when he wasn’t taking advantage of everyone for his personal gain
Once a sociopath always a sociopath.
If I was one of the other 100+ riders in those 7 tours that didn't dope I'd complain like mad... oh, what's that sound? (***crickets***)
Yeah cuz they weren’t on the teams that had enough money to pay for ped’s. They all wish they could cuz that meant winning in 1998.
He flipping DESTROYED people who tried to speak up. He had the largest platform of any cyclist, ever, and he used it to hurt people.
"Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy." ~Bill Burr
All of this has taught me one thing, that it's tough watch someone who is so completely full of it act sincere.
I can sense Lance is a different person, though. As if a huge weight has been lifted off his shoulders.
Everybody's on steroids
I'm an runner and never in my life took steroids or smoked a damn thing in my life... be the Hall of Famer not the Hall of Shamer. Be the example for kids or you will be hated for a long time
You were also never offered 10s of millions to be at the top of the sport. Hard to say what your decision would be if you were promised the world but...you had to do this what you would do. I'm convinced that any athlete at the absolute top of their sport isn't on some type of performance enhancer and continues to take it to stay in that position. Sports are an money maker, and the athletes are just pawns for making more money.
I play professional poker, and I take steroids.
Lance didn't take steroids he took EPO or Erythropoeitin, an extra dose of a hormone produced by your kidneys to stimulate production of red blood cells.
It's not a strength increase, just raises the amount of oxygen that can reach your tissues so you can bike longer.. not as fraudulent as steroids in my opinion.
- Nate Diaz
Lance needs to stay focused on and apologise to the people he tried to destroy like Greg LeMond.
Lance Armstrong entered a sport where to win you needed to cheat. The Spanish cyclists had government backing, as did their tennis players, athletes and footballers. Lance did what he needed to do.
However, Lance remains a cheat, a bully and a liar. He is not a good role model.
This guy looks about 15 years older than his true age. That's unusual for an athlete.
Wait till the effects of those drugs show themselves 15 years later....
+Brian Collins. No kidding.
Everyone involved were getting so rich that no one wanted to stop the money train. So everyone from the top down turned a blind eye to what was going on.
He would do it again ?.. unbelievable arrogance
Armstrong was just the top of the iceberg. Even an italian cyclist, Danilo Di Luca, winner of an edition of the Italian Tour, admitted that, without dope, was not possible to win anything in that period.
When I tried riding on drugs I couldn't even find my bike! Seriously though..he didnt say he would still cheat. He said if you were to take him back to 95 given the same circumstances he would do the same. He was playing a level playing field back then. PHD have been pervasive in all sports for many years. Cycling was one of the worst. Still is. They were all on one thing or another....
if there was no EPO test and he had to cheat to win he would. Same thing. He would not cheat now because few are doping - testing has improved and detection is likely. In principle he would cheat if he had to and thought he could get away with it. Amounts to the same thing.
man all of sports was different back then, NFL, basketball, baseball, soccer, MMA, boxing.... all the elite athletes were on steroids, everybody knows that
his attitude shows that the punishment was too light and inconsequential
Oh shut up. How do you know how what he's dealt with?
@@adamburling9551 hey fvcktard, this is an interview clip. ur comment is worthless and adds no value, do u see that now?
@@a55tech Oh shut up. You sound pathetic. Ridiculous.
@@a55tech Neither does your comment t add any value smart guy.
@@adamburling9551 that just means u lack reading comprehension
The way they went after him is just ridiculous.
He wasn’t the only one cheating. The whole sport was rotten to the core. Lance has served his time.... if he can, then let him earn money to help sick people who need it.
No remorse ,no humility ,no regrets........a cheat is always a cheat...
😂
That’s our world. People will still back this man and be a fan of him after knowing he cheated and lied. That’s the world we live in and we have to accept it, some people don’t care if someone does wrong, just as long as that wrong isn’t down to them they will still support it. And it’s so sad.
He still had to get on that bike and ride his ass off to win those titles.
Just like Barry Bonds had to still use his great ability with eye / hand coordination to hit the damn home runs.
Give these athletes some credit. They still work their asses off. PED's didnt do that much to make them successful, it was their talent.
Everyone cheated back then. At least he is honest about it and let's not forget that he almost died of cancer at 25, then came back to the top level and managed to raise a lot of money for cancer charity. We need to look at the whole picture.
@@yasminvillanueva3141if it didn t do thst much of a difference he wouldn't have taken them. He won 7 in a row, if the epo didn t do that much of a difference, he would have won natty say at least 1, which would have still been amazing.
In the great words of Nate Diaz.."Everyone's on steroids."
if everybody cheats, then who cares? It's a dirty sport and they have no one to blame but themselves. Quit pushing all the responsibility onto the athletes. All the clean ones did not qualify.
Lance has this undertone of compassion towards the people he was also trying to help. Can't put my finger on it, but he doesn't sound like that bad of a guy. Kinda sounds like he cares about people... In a way that's sincere... Like he doesn't care how he's viewed, only how he can help. I respect him.
banning Lance Armstrong from running marathons is like punishing Arnold Schwarzenegger for using steroids
Did Arnold Schwarzenegger lie under oath whilst giving sworn testimony? Did Arnold sue people and ruin their lives when they told the truth. No he didn't. It's NOT like Arnold taking steroids for bodybuilding, Armstrong was a vindictive cheat, liar and a bully and an embarrassment to America. Just ask his mother.
Lance's drug cheating was horrible, but the worst part about him was how he treated other people and how he was a pathological liar. He's a rotten, nasty, and despicable human being.
absolutely, and to him, the ends justify the means.
Saying that he would cheat again just reinforces the person he was, is, a chronic cheat. Not only did he cheat he billed others to cheat with him.
Wtf do you want him to say it doesn’t matter
So did the last place guy end up getting the yellow jersey.
Ramond Ferreal .. so profound. I like it
Just heard the shocking news that Lance Armstrong has passed away. For all he's done he doesn't deserve to be taken from us so soon. RIP.
he’s not dead!!
as Jacques Anquetil said, 'I dope because everyone dopes'.
ALL the top riders were doping then, ALL OF THEM.
The best cyclist in the world between 1999 to 2005 was Lance Armstrong.
John Franklin Greg LeMond NEVER doped in his life and on the official record he is the only American to have won the Tour de France.
Who cares even if you were right (you arent but whatever). That just means 1999-2005 was a worthless dogshit era which didnt even produce a single top 30 cyclist of all time, Lance Pharmstrong included. The era is so shitty they didnt even bother renaming a replacement Tour de France winner as that whole era was a bunch of talentless dopers and non legends, so it is like that period didnt even exist. So lets just pretend you were right, Lance was the best of a nothing era that barely existed, it still makes him nothing.
Ralph Bourgeois pretend I’m right? I have done a lot of reading on Lance Armstrong and his career most of cyclists where doping at that time but no one did it on the scale that he did. Greg LeMond is still on record the ONLY AMERICAN to win the tour. How much reading do you do before you post. I’m not taking anything away from cycling I’m just saying that at the time it was easy to dope and get away with it if you have the people conducting the test in your payroll.
@@Unpopularopinions98 I wasnt responding to you but to John Franklin.
I 100% agree with you, yes many others doped (not sure if all like some are saying, that is largely conjecture, it wouldnt surprise me, but people stating it as absolute fact are just doing so as more baseless Lance Pharmstrong defending and excusing), but nobody had the access to the quality and standard of drugs Lance Pharmstrong did. And the only ones who even came close were his only teammates who had team orders to work only for him to win and not even try to beat him, so they dont even count.
And yes Greg LeMond won clean, and is miles superior to Lance.
Ralph Bourgeois my bad I thought the other guy was calling me stupid. I mean is lance talented yes he was but he wanted to be the best so bad he was willing to cheat to do so and I find that to be humiliating he even admitted he would do it again if it was 95.
In a sport of cheats, only cheaters win. Everyone was doping so he had no choice. And good for him, he was the best at it.
He was a genius. Hard trainer, hard core competitor, a genius at using science to win. He beat the other doping guys at their own game. So what? I thought he was great.
I dont think you get the point, not about him doping, its about him being a piece of shit to humans and destroying lives for a decade.
At least this time he was honest
"The teammates" didn't make the decision. YOU forced the decision on them.
The horrible person portrayed here was vicious coming after those that reported his doping
Nate Diaz sounds more and more like a genius with time.
Well he's a hypocrite bcuz that means him, his brother and their teammates are all on roids
@@boogeyman1016 never tested positive
"When the whole pelloton made that decision.."
Oh yeah Lance, sure... What about Gilles Delion ? What about Christophe Bassons (who you bullied into retirement) ? What about Laurent Lefèvre ? What about Patrice Halgand ? What about these guys who always refused doping despite the pressure and the s***load of money that was offered to them ?
Yes! He destroyed the reputations of many people, and created a living hell for the people around him. He wrongfully sued people that told the truth and financially crippled them. I think the people on here would sing a different tune after reading David Walsh's book on the shit that Armstrong and his management goons pulled. He's a cold blooded sociopath who has never truly taken responsibility of what he did.
@@zoesinclair2359 Yup. He's still trying to put into "context".
@@zoesinclair2359 i dont know much about cycling but t4ll me if my conclusion about Lance and cycling is correct. While we know that everyone wasnt cheating. The lqrge majotity, was doping and 100% of the elite cyclists wete on something. So even though Lance doped he shoulld still be considered great. Because thr best cyclists wete also on stuff and they couldnt beat him
He would be a hero if he told how he cheated
steroids m8
Matthew Barrett He also did blood transfusions
Matthew Barrett nah, EPO
When he got caught, he could have come out and say, this is my story! I almost died of cancer, survived and cheated my way to succes. 7 times! Hahaha. Still a succes story though, he lived a live he almost lost. I have respect for the achievement, but how he treated people was very rude and manipulative. So good achievement, horrible person.
The U.S. Postal Service spent 32 million on sponsorship for Lance's teams. They made back 106 million. This from a study commissioned by the Postal Service and reported in the Denver Post. Only the facts, Ma'am.
Nobody wins from the era of doping... I admire him for FINALLY admitting it. Everyone was doing for the most part, it's hard not to feel for him... the winners pay the biggest price, nobody cares about the ones who were doping then but never won anything. Doesn't make it right, but there it is.
If nobody was on drugs, Lance wins. When everyone was on drugs, Lance won. End of story. He was the best.
You are dead right. The drugs only gave that little extra when Lance was already the best. Its like bodybuilding you first need a solid base on which to build apon before steroids will give you any gain.
Not all drug programs are the same.
Bullshit! Not everyone took drugs. Tyler Hamilton was bullied by him because he would not take drugs.
Well that is not necessarily true. Now I do hold the position he wasn't the only cheater, 99% of the peloton cheated so was he the best under the circumstances? Sure he was. But, and this is important to note, EPO, Lance's main drug, has a certain way of working. It raises your hematocrit, which affects your recovery and your peak performance. But you can only raise it to a certain level (regulations have a max hematocrit and push it past a certain point and you die). So let's say you got two riders, who are both clean. Both riders are equal in prowess, but one guy has a natural low hematocrit and the other guy has a natural high hematocrit. Now the second guy has far less margin to grow using drugs than the first guy. If both start using EPO, than the first guy will blow the second guy out of the water. If they don't, we got a fair race. That is what doping does. That is why you can't compare doped up athletes to themselves when they are not doped up.
Tyler took drugs. He admits it.
All the UFC fighters are on steroids and all the UFC legends have been caught cheating, and guess what, they fight the next fight and no one beats an eye, Aka Canelo😂
Your the champ, Doping sadly is a necessity at this level
It seems to me that he does not regret what he did because it raised a lot of money and helped people. What he does regret is the way he did it and how he treated people he probably cared about
he did not say that he regrets because the charities would not have benefitted. He cited industry growth and charitable donations as benefits of the work he did in cycling - which of course was based on cheating. He does not say what his primary motivation was but self enrichment and fame are likely. So he would have cheated again but he would like to be a nicer guy doing the cheating.
A very short 1943 book by C.S. Lewis called the Abolition of Man speaks to Lance's regret. We all "sin" and the sense of regret shows that we acknowledge a sense of the "Tao". His story is remarkable in so many ways. I identify with his sense of regret
when remembering past mistakes...there is hope but from a quarter we''ve been conditioned to ignore.
CS Lewis talks about Tao? I doubt he equated it as having truth
what regret? he said he would dope again. He is also complaining about the lifetime ban
Armstrong saying he’d do it again if it was 95 shouldn’t be a surprise. I completely understand that. To be competitive at that time meant you had to dope. Or walk away from the sport with your conscience intact.
People spend time in jail for much lesser offenses. “It was brutal…” what a joke!
If he had just stayed retired! Was some great racing though!
Let's be clear..Lance will be the ultimate scapegoat for doping in cycling,not because he cheated,yet for how he treated other people,including his peers,the press,and even his friends.Yeah,we do have to take a long look at EVERYONE involved,yet Lance is ALONE in how he did things...
Why don't they just call all Cycling Tours "The DOPING Tours", no regulations, open and free for all riders, instead of hiding and lying. The best of the best DOPERS
Respect for that honesty
he would be silly not to
i will never watch tour to France agion because of Lance Armstrong.
Unfortunately Lances narcissism got the best of him. If he would have stayed retired this wouldn’t even be a story. He would be a legend and everyone would love him. Instead his narcissistic behavior made it that he can’t be out of the spot light and fighting something🤷🏼♂️Even his confession is part of his narcissistic behavior..when you make a decision like he and his team made you take that to the grave bc you have more than just your ass on the line there are ALL HIS TEAMMATES that he sold out and their families. His doping doesn’t bother me..him destroying all his former teammates that elevated him to his current fortune, fame and now notoriety have been betrayed. He is trash for that and that alone
He’s aged a lot between those 2 interviews. You can tell it’s taken it’s toll on him.
Definitely
He definitely looks like he drinks heavily
Armstrong inspired me, my dream is to become a doped cyclist
you're already a dope. now go find a bicycle.
Froome is your father
Blood Beryl is a bloody stupid
I could dope as much as I like, I would never reach the level Lance would.
He inspired me the way no one else would. I would never have cycled without seeing the way he trains, the way he race.
Are you sure Mouloud ?
He wouldn't do it again in 2015 because no one else is doping. He still doesn't get it.
Ringleader, bullying, intimidation, lying, betraying of friends.
“Some of that is true and some of that is not true” not quite sure what in this list he regards as not true.
The balls on this guy. Big respect. That's a real man right there.
*ball
We love you bruh. Who cares if u cheated at bike race. Barry Bonds Cheated, Mark McGuire Cheated, Raf Palmiero cheated. Youre still a legend to us!
To be honest... In an era when all the cyclist were doping... It doesn't even matter. And like he says, all the benefits that came to the foundation and cycling itself. Such hypocrissy to go after Lance. They should just cancel the last 25 years of cycling events if they are honest,
The sad part is that no one won during this time of cycling.
Yes, you could say many profited and have many accolades... but the sport and some of the fans died after that. I will say that it was awesome to see all of those races during that time. And they brought so many people and money to the sport. And.. just like many professional sports through the decades.. some will NEVER be caught ( profiting after it all while looking the other way), and some will be the sacrificed lambs to be the example. At the end of the day .. Lance deserved it... but we will never know if he really did.... if you know what I mean.
What a sociopath. He'd have made Eichmann proud with his moral flexibility. It is chillingly eerie how much he sounds like serial killer Ted Bundy in the final interview Bundy gave before getting the electric chair. Truly eerie how similar the two sound. The casual "contextualizing" and justifying of utterly amoral, sociopathic, reprehensible behavior.
Most people can't cycle 10 km, these guys were doing a 200 a day a high speed and huge mountains, give them a break and let's just accept it's part of elite sport.
Regardless of what he did, Lance is still one of the best cyclists who ever lived.
No he's not. He's a fraud.
@@edgar22452 if you knew anything about cycling you would agree he is one of the best who ever lived.
@@BeanyOwns No he's not. Once you take drugs to get the edge on your opponents you are no longer the best. He cheated. Just like the rest of his opponents.
when everyone's doping and youre the best in them. when everyone's not doping. you still remain the best in them. this guy is a legend.
Thats not true ...
Not every cyclist doped equally, Armstrong simply is more heavily doped using combination of a few types of doping methods while the rest of them were less doped up..
From witness accounts Lance Armstrong doped far more heavily than every other cyclists because he had the clout protection from upstairs and also the financial means ...
Bruh you can just tell lance hasn’t changed one bit😂😂
Well of course he would that's what cheaters do
did he dope before or after getting cancer, if he doped before cancer then it's hard to be sympathetic...
Scapegoat for an entire era of cycling. If everybody is cheating, Lance Armstrong is the best. If nobody is cheating, Lance Armstrong is the best. Look towards bodybuilding for the idea behind that statement, they all take the same compounds, they all do the work, but there has to be a winner and often the most naturally gifted will dominate for a number of years. Personally I think that carries across. I also think that the powers that be within all major sports generally accept that doping happens and not only that, but allow it to continue.
It is that rife across the board that if they were serious about getting rid of drug cheats instead of simply making an example out of someone every so often, there would be 10x the amount of testing that goes on currently, and punishments would be much more severe.
"they all take the same compounds" .. Just factually incorrect. You have no idea what you're talking about. Lance only won because he was cheating MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. Get it?!
LANCE IS GARBAGE LIKE ANOTHER AMERICAN
So funny when lance says "I am not going to lie to you."
He still WON!! 🏆🏆🏆🥇🥇🥇
No one questioned the others that raced 🚴🏻♀️🚴🏻🚴🏻♀️🚴🏻🚴🏻♀️ why take away his wins? Its his body you live once
His crime isn't doping, it's the countless lives he destroyed trying to cover it up. And now in his sick self-absorbed twisted mind he thinks he's being somehow unjustly punished and now a victim. Unforgivable!!! "Don't go away mad, just go away"...
Even after the years he lied , and the years since he confessed. There really still is redemption for the confessed liar. Confession is the last credit a damned man can earn. In Christianity, that is the only credit you need in the blood of Jesus Christ the messiah.
"I don't care what anyone else wants." Classic Lance.
BBC needs to sort it out
Lance Armstrong survived cancer, won the Tour 7 times, and exposed all of the corruption in cycling, but his attitude turned him into a hated poster child of a dying sport. Everyone knows for a fact there were egotistical Spaniards who doped and continued racing for years after Lance was banned *cough cough* CONTADOR, but their legacy is 100% unscathed because they weren't American and they weren't the best riders in the peloton at the time.
"If you're not cheating then you're not trying" Hahahaha.
If a cheater calls cheater a cheater, then is that really a cheater?
That interviewer at the same age as Lance Armstrong when Lance was at his peak could come off the street and take the same stuff as Lance because he would come miles if not days in a GC race behind Lance. It’s not all about doping, it gives you an edge, but was it an uneven edge? What about all the determination, dedication and physical factor that Lance had that made him the best numerous times over, albeit, in a murky world?
Was all the other placements in his races made null and void?
According to others, he was a remarkable athlete before taking up cycling.
He's still a champion in my eyes, drugs or not.
Give him back his silverware!
When every single champion during his time has been busted for doping. I think we may need to look at the decision regarding his punishment.
If you didn't use PED's in the 90's, you didn't compete in cycling at the elite level. Period.
He looks like he aged 10 years since that interview. Well deserved.
One of the biggest cheats ever.
Quirky catch phrases like 'Performance Enhancing Substances' drive people into confusions about life. If the phrase was "Person Enhancing Substance" then people might think like "Oh! You had a great breakfast and now you're ready for the game!"
But no, the observer "purist", the observer "naturalist" wants to extract the competing person from what he does. The observer regards relevant contexts as his own to put the user beside, even outside the difference the user makes.
Lance should be enjoying a well paid advertising job to promote the image of his great health and abilities that he built up to. Nobody puts a handful of tablets and a protein shake on the seat of a bike and says "Now this stack will win!"
Look at what's happening. Savings separate cash from value. Electronics separate physical people from their messages. Literature separates ideas from their origins. The list goes on to a long distance.
Lance, you won. Nobody can ever change the past - even if they can cuss and holler. Ride on, Bro. Look at pro-league body builders and weight lifters, for example. Former Governor of California who? How many Mr. Olympias? How many Mr. Olympians?
Now, competition rules are another matter. That has its own morality. That's a system to equalize the chances of winning and losing. But a person who competes to win is not competing to equalize chances. He's trying to make the chances as unequal as he can!!!
This man a straight up warrior. Came back from cancer and won the tour seven times in a sport where everyone was juicing.
He just juiced better!
@@markalexwhite 💀
@@markalexwhite hes the better athlete
He ruined other peoples life. He destroyed those who called him out. He made tons of money from it. Defending his foundation is Such bullshit. Those money could have been earned cleanly for a just cause.
No contrition what so ever...ridiculous...lance u betrayed us all, I even hoped beyond hope when the allegations surfaced that the doping was untrue cause you were such an inspiration to us all, this goes beyond cycling and doping, you lied to the entire world for years and we all still wanted to believe it wasn’t so, that is inexcusable...
I hate how they made it sound like he was the only one who doped. They all did. What he did was inexcusable, what is even more inexcusable is that it continues to this day despite of how much people have come down on him.