Wait. First, this, in part, as dated, from a journal I started keeping on Wed 11/21/79: Still Friday, November 23, 2012, 1955 ...And today I finished reading Stanley Milgram’s Obedience to Authority. I’m tempted to say it is a “must read,” but then I remember that anything of depth greater than a bumper sticker is beyond most people these days...." Ah but the joke, so it now seems, is all on me because...I never knew anything about this movie being made, coming out, nothing. Then again, the book came out in, what was it, '74 and I had never heard of that, never read it, until 2012. So now I gotta watch the movie. Thanks for putting this out there.
In the end, the doctor was forced to admit he was as guilty as the others in inflicting unnecessary pain on his subjects to further his ambitious plan to promote himself through his research. Ego, or conscience, the choice for each of us is just that simple. Ego is fear, pride, greed, and anxiety while conscience is calm, courteous, considerate, fearless, and compassionate.
Based on Dr. Stanley Milgram's study at Yale in 1961. This study was done at about the same time as Adolf Eichman's trial in Jerusalem. Eichman being the "architect "of the Holocaust who claimed he was just carrying out orders and thus should not be held accountable. Indeed, it was Hitler who ordered the extermination of millions and gave Eichman the job of handling the planning of such a complex undertaking. Eichman was found responsible and executed. Milgram was himself a Jew and deeply interested in the psychology underling the participation of so many Germans in genocide. Milgram faced criticism of the ethics of this study but survived and prospered professionally and is widely regarded as one of the most important figures in modern psychology. As depicted in the film the study did show that the majority of the subjects will give severely painful and even dangerous levels of electric shock if they are told to to so by an authority figure but there are criticisms as to the relevance of this particular study. From Wikipedia: More recent tests of the experiment have found that it only works under certain conditions; in particular, when participants believe the results are necessary for the "good of science".[30] According to Milgram, "the essence of obedience consists in the fact that a person comes to view himself as the instrument for carrying out another person's wishes, and he therefore no longer sees himself as responsible for his actions. Once this critical shift of viewpoint has occurred in the person, all of the essential features of obedience follow." Thus, "the major problem for the subject is to recapture control of his own regnant processes once he has committed them to the purposes of the experimenter."[31] Besides this hypothetical agentic state, Milgram proposed the existence of other factors accounting for the subject's obedience: politeness, awkwardness of withdrawal, absorption in the technical aspects of the task, the tendency to attribute impersonal quality to forces that are essentially human, a belief that the experiment served a desirable end, the sequential nature of the action, and anxiety. A competing explanation[29] of Milgram's results invokes belief perseverance as the underlying factor. What "people cannot be counted on is to realize that a seemingly benevolent authority is in fact malevolent, even when they are faced with overwhelming evidence which suggests that this authority is indeed malevolent. Hence, the underlying cause for the subjects' striking conduct could well be conceptual, and not the alleged 'capacity of man to abandon his humanity . . . as he merges his unique personality into larger institutional structures.'" Inspired by the horrific events of Nazi Germany, Milgram's obedience experiments have been used to explain a range of social influences on the individual-including how police interrogators can get innocent people to confess to crimes they did not commit.[32] At the same time, these experiments have come under attack. Some critics questioned whether subjects sensed the unreality of the situation. Others questioned the relevance of the laboratory setting to the real world. The most devastating criticisms involved the ethics of the basic experimental design. Professor Milgram, for his part, felt that such misgivings were traceable to the unsavory nature of his results: "Underlying the criticism of the experiment," Milgram wrote, "is an alternative model of human nature, one holding that when confronted with a choice between hurting others and complying with authority, normal people reject authority."[33]
Interesting. I did not know this movie existed. In some ways, it is reminiscent of Tron & The Matrix, with essences painfully going into computers. Oddly, Wikipedia notes the film has never been released on video or DVD. So I am not sure how this was recorded.
@@themoviedealers Pretty cool. I do not remember seeing this on TV. I remember seeing The Jericho Mile in 1979. Some movies are very thought provoking.
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Wait. First, this, in part, as dated, from a journal I started keeping on Wed 11/21/79:
Still Friday, November 23, 2012, 1955
...And today I finished reading Stanley Milgram’s Obedience to Authority. I’m tempted to say it is a “must read,” but then I remember that anything of depth greater than a bumper sticker is beyond most people these days...."
Ah but the joke, so it now seems, is all on me because...I never knew anything about this movie being made, coming out, nothing. Then again, the book came out in, what was it, '74 and I had never heard of that, never read it, until 2012.
So now I gotta watch the movie.
Thanks for putting this out there.
^Fascinating^ ... Very Well Done.
William Shatner, Ossie Davis and Viveca Lindfors.
Wow, Viveca made me shed some tears.
Thank you for posting.
In the end, the doctor was forced to admit he was as guilty as the others in inflicting unnecessary pain on his subjects to further his ambitious plan to promote himself through his research. Ego, or conscience, the choice for each of us is just that simple. Ego is fear, pride, greed, and anxiety while conscience is calm, courteous, considerate, fearless, and compassionate.
You're goofy. The pain wasn't unnecessary.
Based on Dr. Stanley Milgram's study at Yale in 1961. This study was done at about the same time as Adolf Eichman's trial in Jerusalem. Eichman being the "architect "of the Holocaust who claimed he was just carrying out orders and thus should not be held accountable. Indeed, it was Hitler who ordered the extermination of millions and gave Eichman the job of handling the planning of such a complex undertaking. Eichman was found responsible and executed. Milgram was himself a Jew and deeply interested in the psychology underling the participation of so many Germans in genocide.
Milgram faced criticism of the ethics of this study but survived and prospered professionally and is widely regarded as one of the most important figures in modern psychology.
As depicted in the film the study did show that the majority of the subjects will give severely painful and even dangerous levels of electric shock if they are told to to so by an authority figure but there are criticisms as to the relevance of this particular study.
From Wikipedia:
More recent tests of the experiment have found that it only works under certain conditions; in particular, when participants believe the results are necessary for the "good of science".[30]
According to Milgram, "the essence of obedience consists in the fact that a person comes to view himself as the instrument for carrying out another person's wishes, and he therefore no longer sees himself as responsible for his actions. Once this critical shift of viewpoint has occurred in the person, all of the essential features of obedience follow." Thus, "the major problem for the subject is to recapture control of his own regnant processes once he has committed them to the purposes of the experimenter."[31] Besides this hypothetical agentic state, Milgram proposed the existence of other factors accounting for the subject's obedience: politeness, awkwardness of withdrawal, absorption in the technical aspects of the task, the tendency to attribute impersonal quality to forces that are essentially human, a belief that the experiment served a desirable end, the sequential nature of the action, and anxiety.
A competing explanation[29] of Milgram's results invokes belief perseverance as the underlying factor. What "people cannot be counted on is to realize that a seemingly benevolent authority is in fact malevolent, even when they are faced with overwhelming evidence which suggests that this authority is indeed malevolent. Hence, the underlying cause for the subjects' striking conduct could well be conceptual, and not the alleged 'capacity of man to abandon his humanity . . . as he merges his unique personality into larger institutional structures.'"
Inspired by the horrific events of Nazi Germany, Milgram's obedience experiments have been used to explain a range of social influences on the individual-including how police interrogators can get innocent people to confess to crimes they did not commit.[32] At the same time, these experiments have come under attack. Some critics questioned whether subjects sensed the unreality of the situation. Others questioned the relevance of the laboratory setting to the real world.
The most devastating criticisms involved the ethics of the basic experimental design. Professor Milgram, for his part, felt that such misgivings were traceable to the unsavory nature of his results: "Underlying the criticism of the experiment," Milgram wrote, "is an alternative model of human nature, one holding that when confronted with a choice between hurting others and complying with authority, normal people reject authority."[33]
Wow, somebody has a lot of time on his hands.
Thanks for uploading
First time I’ve seen Shatner with his TOS style toupee in the late 70s. He usually had the curly one around this point.
Jesus I remember watching this on tv back then . I was 25 . Damn.
Yer no spring chicken, then
Hey my dad let me stay up to watch Star Trek with him when they broadcast it on NBC 😆
Jesus
He's a Rocket Man.
Best rendition of Rocket Man evaaaaa!
Yes he is!
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An amazing and poignant movie, (even, chillingly, more so today than when it was made)
Excellent film
Interesting. I did not know this movie existed. In some ways, it is reminiscent of Tron & The Matrix, with essences painfully going into computers. Oddly, Wikipedia notes the film has never been released on video or DVD. So I am not sure how this was recorded.
Maybe VHS? Video tape recorders were very expensive, but around already.
@@spotlightkid7041 It was a pretty cool movie.
@@dalelerette206 Glad you enjoyed it. I thought it was an important movie that everyone should watch.✌
It was shown on TV so it was recorded on tape at some point...and sitting in an archive when someone made a dub of it later.
@@themoviedealers Pretty cool.
I do not remember seeing this on TV. I remember seeing The Jericho Mile in 1979. Some movies are very thought provoking.
v depressing
Capitan Kirk hit all the switches hell yeah.