All heavy boots team comps to counter aggressive hazard stacking 🤔 I wonder if there might be a specific Pokémon this state of the meta is resulting from
If the move corrosive gas gets added back into the game it could be an interesting option for Weezing. With Neutralizing Gas it'll be able to remove items even through sticky hold.
Glad to see you upload tour content again. I'm curious as to why you didn't chose to knock gliscor off with your own on t3. You have ample opportunities up to set up more spikes on most of their mons, and until the gliscor apple combo breaks, max layers don't matter.Taunt volcanion already destroyed them, but it seems more optimal to do it sooner.
Gliscor having no items might matter in the late game if he is in range of an item boosted knock. And knock on t3 accomplishes nothing in the long run while hazards are here to stay and you only have to worry about progres from that point
@Parecool894 Putting sticky barb on gliscor nullifies its longevity, which is immediate progress with long term implications. Stacking hazards against a full team of boots spam is not efficient unless you're confident in neutralizing the knock off absorber, aka Gliscor. Clef beats the other knock off absorber (apple) 1v1, so you'll be able to knock an additional item eventually.
@@Parecool894 The Knock users on freezai's team are highly unlikely to ever do enough damage even with the item boost, given they don't have super high attack & Gliscor can guarantee being at a minimum of 1/4 HP through PHeal + Protect
Tera Ghost Fire Spin/Taunt Volcanion is one of the best stallbreakers of the current meta. Guaranteed kill on any of that team's mons. You can see Aranacana knew he was screwed as soon as Fire Spin was revealed, even if it missed lol
@@alexpotts6520 Oh yeah you're most definitely right. The thing is, people in the OU room were actually considering using Volcanion and Clefable on the ladder to counter the rising populaity of stall so I put this out as a sidenote.
Re: last few turns: new players often underlook sticky barb clefable precisely because of that, being able to run both knock off and barb puts the enemy pivot/wall on a timer
I remember reading that it in the rmt ":Volcanion: Recently, there has been some usage of a particularly annoying set with Tera Ghost + Fire Spin + Taunt. As the team stands, there is little counterplay to this Pokémon. Your only hope is to try and catch it on a switch in and fish for status on it with :Clodsire: and/or Tera Ghost :Gliscor:. If this set becomes more popular, running Shadow Ball and/or Tera Ghost on :Blissey: might be advisable."
I personally think heavy duty boots should be reworked, they get so mush value per game that you can just put heavy duty boots on your entire team. Something like them breaking but also clearing the hazard on the switch in. Kind of like a one or maybe two time use defog when switching in
@@sluggknight7130 Even without gholdengo it is still very hard to remove hazards due to how offensive the metagame is and how oppressive the stackers are
@@june9914 I actually did this a lot back in the day with taunt encore whimsicot. I believe they nerfed encore in gen 9 and youre no longer able to encore something into something they can't do
@@lucasgreer1736 no I mean it's been specifically nerfed. I'm. Not sure in how many ways but I know that in gen 9 you can't encore something into a move if that move doesn't have any pp left. You also can't encore something into sleep talk anymore.
Gholdengo doesn't block hazards. It blocks hazard removal other than scrappy or type changed rapid spin and mold breaker defog. Court change works as well since like the hazard moves themselves, it targets the field, not Gholdengo itself. The distinction is important because it determines which moves good as gold actually block.
@@Goldeneye3336 No it doesn't. Its ability Good As Gold only blocks status moves that target it. Hazards target the field, not the foe, so the ability does not prevent the opponent from setting up hazards.
@@mikec4390 You do not get it. It blocks hazards on the field. Gholdengo stops most removal from being used. It's like you never figured how to position your Gholdengo in competitive battling.
I'll be honest, the boots spam hazard stack meta is pretty boring. If you feel like you're forced into hyper hazard defence, you take away so many possibilities for team building.
I personally think that HDB spam is just as toxic as the hazard stack+gholdengo meta, probably because the first is a consequence of the ladder, at least dengo isn't as popular as it used to be.
The issue is that you're never getting to click it into anything other than blissey. You also only get 2 freeze dry clicks because rocks and 3 spikes are staying up, the gliscor is tera ghost to spinblock. The team is quite good vs kyurem
Why did that clodsire have poison sting? It's purely worse than poison jab except for PP. Is stall so bad that the extra PP is more valuable than an extra 65 power??
Clodsire has terrible attack so the difference in PP is pretty huge for stalling. Way more chances to poison an enemy with sting rather than jab longterm
I been playing stall the last 3 days and i gotta say, sure you lose to people who bring anti stall (not every time but like 6/10) but its made up for by the amount of people who just give you free wins at team preview. If i lose to anti stall tech, it doesnt bother me because i know im about to make up for it because most people dont wanna compermise their strat into other team styles just to prepare for the odd stall match.
I will say tho a ladder stall team is different from a tourney one. 6 HDB works on ladder but against prepared teams you need spin/defog, talonflame for gholdengo, and that item that prevents trapping moves (forget the name off top of head) on at least 2 mons
@@nicholasperry2302That's incorrect. Shed shell is the anti-trapping item, but it's not relevant. Removal is way too hard for stall, they are all boots spam rn. This apple stall is one of the main ones on ladder rn.
@@SPZ-gv2on yes my criticism was this would have to be adjusted for tournament play, ladder it works but in tournaments they are gonna bring hard stall counters if you are known as a stall player. Especially if there's only one viable stall team on ladder
Freezais Gliscor used koff on the opposing Gliscor earlier in the match. This meant that when the enemy G used koff on clefable, it transfered the Sticky barb to the enemy
Stall is why I stopped playing anything other than VGC... it takes forever and is not even fun to play against, win or lose. Glad to see it get destroyed. Edit: does anyone know a tier where Stall isn't a thing?
@@darthhydreigon820 tera steel and then strength sap. Then it can be beaten eventually if you get a burn. I have stalled out both Blissey and clod in the same match, cause all you need is a burn.
Thanks for showing this. As someone that watches vgc, it makes me wonder why smogon rules make stall so powerful. They could easily make stall team hard to play by limiting certain Pokémons or moves or items. Is it because people enjoy longer battles?
They don't make stall that powerful, indeed stall in gen 9 is about as weak as it has ever been. As you can see here, the stall team was completely dismantled.
They don't make stall powerful lol, this gen Is more hyper offense than any other, there's no reason to make a playstile hard to play when its not broken. Smogon always try to lean the metagame towards balance since that usually means every playstile Is viable
Stall being a thing is inevitable, there's not any main singles meta where stall is the best style. The closest are defensive teams in gen 3 ig but offense is still very prevalent.
@@xham-ik9yr that's good to know. Like I said, I dont follow smogon much, but I feel that when I do, the games are very long and switch intensive. I also had this in mind: th-cam.com/video/6f4OFRAJ7zE/w-d-xo.html
counter team levels are off the charts well done freezoat
Stall is truly, deeply insane for running Poison Sting. I assume its for the PP, but its just crazy to see in game b
And untauntable poison chance
Yep it’s for the PP
You just lose to stored power sweepers otherwise
It's mainly the fact it doesn't make contact, Volcarona would burn you if you used pjab and you lose to taunt and magic bounce with toxic.
On that note, Poison Sting should become a Poison variant of Nuzzle without the contact
all boots teams on both sides are kinda like an throwback to Gen 1 where neither hazards nor items existed.
But they have abilities and less EVs
we are so back
and black
I dont know you
It's so satisfying to see stall slowly picked apart like this. It's like a puzzle, but if you fail you run out of pp and lose.
Hydrapple being on sticky hold instead of regenerator is insane, that tells you how polarizing boots are
Nah it's just for stall so that they can absorb knock offs
All heavy boots team comps to counter aggressive hazard stacking 🤔 I wonder if there might be a specific Pokémon this state of the meta is resulting from
good as gold should be banned
Gholdengo? Go to hell
Have you seen the state of Gen 8 lol
If the move corrosive gas gets added back into the game it could be an interesting option for Weezing. With Neutralizing Gas it'll be able to remove items even through sticky hold.
You’re right. Let’s ban taunt gengar
It should be illegal for pokemon without feet to wear heavy duty boots
🤣 and pokemon without necks shouldn't wear choice scarf
This is the most based and logical take I've ever heard on boots how tf volcarona rolling up with a pair of timbs on and no feet
@@youngdc3685 You can tie a scarf around any part of the body
@@1peidu Volcarona has feet, they're just really small. It has them on the front of it's torso
Glad to see you upload tour content again. I'm curious as to why you didn't chose to knock gliscor off with your own on t3. You have ample opportunities up to set up more spikes on most of their mons, and until the gliscor apple combo breaks, max layers don't matter.Taunt volcanion already destroyed them, but it seems more optimal to do it sooner.
yea that was better
Gliscor having no items might matter in the late game if he is in range of an item boosted knock. And knock on t3 accomplishes nothing in the long run while hazards are here to stay and you only have to worry about progres from that point
I might be wrong but knocking Gliscor would enable the sticky barb Clefable tech
@Parecool894 Putting sticky barb on gliscor nullifies its longevity, which is immediate progress with long term implications. Stacking hazards against a full team of boots spam is not efficient unless you're confident in neutralizing the knock off absorber, aka Gliscor. Clef beats the other knock off absorber (apple) 1v1, so you'll be able to knock an additional item eventually.
@@Parecool894 The Knock users on freezai's team are highly unlikely to ever do enough damage even with the item boost, given they don't have super high attack & Gliscor can guarantee being at a minimum of 1/4 HP through PHeal + Protect
When a stall team gets so popular counter teams are made just to counter a particular build 😂
You have no idea how much I needed this
Tera Ghost Fire Spin/Taunt Volcanion is one of the best stallbreakers of the current meta. Guaranteed kill on any of that team's mons. You can see Aranacana knew he was screwed as soon as Fire Spin was revealed, even if it missed lol
Yeah, that fuck in chat was the realization of "oh no, he got a trapping move, I can't just keep tagging out my mons willy nilly"
On the other hand, having a mon built specifically to counter stall is more often than not a liability if you face other playstyles.
@@georgemedia1069 Yeah Freezai was counterteaming, it's the sort of set that is way more effective in tournament play than on the ladder.
@@alexpotts6520 Oh yeah you're most definitely right. The thing is, people in the OU room were actually considering using Volcanion and Clefable on the ladder to counter the rising populaity of stall so I put this out as a sidenote.
Stall and Everything has boots
Me:it can't be that bad
Hydrapple sticky hold 😮
i was just rewatching the littlelock series it's good to see the mvp sticky barb terrorising tournament games as well as elite 4 members
approved by The Industry ....this was beautiful to watch!!
Amen brother
Re: last few turns: new players often underlook sticky barb clefable precisely because of that, being able to run both knock off and barb puts the enemy pivot/wall on a timer
Used your team on ladder and it was called "the most annoying team I've ever played against". Truly, thank you.
As soon as I saw fire spin Volcanion I knew that it was over, its a hard counter to hydrapple stall.
I remember reading that it in the rmt
":Volcanion:
Recently, there has been some usage of a particularly annoying set with Tera Ghost + Fire Spin + Taunt. As the team stands, there is little counterplay to this Pokémon. Your only hope is to try and catch it on a switch in and fish for status on it with :Clodsire: and/or Tera Ghost :Gliscor:. If this set becomes more popular, running Shadow Ball and/or Tera Ghost on :Blissey: might be advisable."
This felt like a gen 3 game with a defensive team, a balance team, and the progress mon instead of Hariyama ia Volcanion. Truly absurd but cool
Missed your uploads Freezai, hope you’re doing well. Also hoping rand bats comes back, but do what works for you!
Volcanion is an amazing g2 mon when most people say fuck it and load rain or stall when they’re down a game
Thanks!
Big stall destroyed
whoa big fan
freezaibros... we're so up
Gold necessitating heavy duty boots on every Pokémon in OU is so lame.
Hope you’re doing well bro, happy to see you back!
Random battles neads to comeback it's so fun to watch you play
You never gotta fast forward for me boss, I’d watch the most mind numbingly slow game if you were commentating it
POOKIE, YOURE BACK
I personally think heavy duty boots should be reworked, they get so mush value per game that you can just put heavy duty boots on your entire team. Something like them breaking but also clearing the hazard on the switch in. Kind of like a one or maybe two time use defog when switching in
I think we need an item clause
the whole metagame would crumble to hazard stack without boots
@@sthui2866 yeah, but that is because of goldengho. The only way of reliably removing hazards is with tidy up, Wich has a very limited distribution
@@sluggknight7130 Even without gholdengo it is still very hard to remove hazards due to how offensive the metagame is and how oppressive the stackers are
@@sthui2866 true, maybe they shouldn't have increased the distribution of hazards
We missed you GOAT
I mean I understand how it might be fun and tense to play stall... But fuck that I would never ever build a team around stalling out the opponent.
If you wanna be a real goober you can build a do nothing stall team that plans on making the opponent struggle
@@june9914 I actually did this a lot back in the day with taunt encore whimsicot. I believe they nerfed encore in gen 9 and youre no longer able to encore something into something they can't do
@@LewisBavinyou still can pull that off I think you just have to taunt after you encore, someone ran encore disable scream tail at a vgc regionals
@@lucasgreer1736 no I mean it's been specifically nerfed. I'm. Not sure in how many ways but I know that in gen 9 you can't encore something into a move if that move doesn't have any pp left. You also can't encore something into sleep talk anymore.
@@LewisBavin yeah makes sense just saying you can still force people to struggle
Here's the paste of Freezai's team, which I figured out from the stats shown on Showdown. Simple spreads, yet brutally effective.
Volcanion @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Steam Eruption
- Flamethrower
- Fire Spin
- Taunt
Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Ice Fang
- Heavy Slam
- Crunch
Gholdengo @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Dazzling Gleam
- Recover
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Protect
Clefable @ Sticky Barb
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Moonblast
- Knock Off
- Moonlight
Slowking-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Toxic
- Future Sight
- Chilly Reception
- Sludge Bomb
Gholdengo doesn't block hazards. It blocks hazard removal other than scrappy or type changed rapid spin and mold breaker defog. Court change works as well since like the hazard moves themselves, it targets the field, not Gholdengo itself. The distinction is important because it determines which moves good as gold actually block.
Gholdengo blocks hazard too.
@@Goldeneye3336 No it doesn't. Its ability Good As Gold only blocks status moves that target it. Hazards target the field, not the foe, so the ability does not prevent the opponent from setting up hazards.
@@mikec4390 You do not get it. It blocks hazards on the field. Gholdengo stops most removal from being used. It's like you never figured how to position your Gholdengo in competitive battling.
@@Goldeneye3336 It's like you've never used Gholdengo or read the damn ability information. It protects the user, not the field.
@@mikec4390 You don't get the meaning of blocking hazards do you.
Ive battle this team recently but it was a bit more offensive oriented, Iron valiant helped me a lot in breaking this team
Love the tournament content - whether it's you playing or commentating.
Welcome back king
"TH-cam loves to watch stall" - Freezai 2011 or something
Brooo where are the other rounds!? I've been yearning for more Freezai!
this is Perfection, I loved this Fun video.
Why does clodsire run poison sting and not something stronger?
More pp and doesn’t make contact
@@marowakcity3727 wow the stall has evolved. I’m guessing it’s not even used for damage just a poison chance? And lots of pp for pp stall wars?
stall is a battle of inches @@KangasKong9944
@@KangasKong9944yes
@@KangasKong9944yep
im begging you to keep this going we are so back
Its funny that almost the entire team gets hit super effectively by freeze dry, although clodsire and blissey make that not matter.
Hydrapple is tera Ice specifically to wall Kyurem and Freeze Dry, lol.
@@octaz3651 meow and weavile also
Aye you got a paste for the team you're using? Looks fun
yo bro how do you have that sprite ? its super cool :0
The goat has returned
I'm surprised item clause is not a thing for situations exactly like this
If it was spikes would be blatently broken. It would probably get them banned.
@@SPZ-gv2onno spikes would just become pretty good not op
no better way to start a video than a gliscor mirror with spike spam
Look how easily Volcanion beat that stall team. It's just gross bro.
So satisfying watching a staller get destroyed. “Glhf” more like good luck having fun
"fuck" 😂
Please don’t leave again baby
I would love to see stall games in gen 4 or 3
Hey can you make a team with pressure stall?
I'll be honest, the boots spam hazard stack meta is pretty boring. If you feel like you're forced into hyper hazard defence, you take away so many possibilities for team building.
Randbats may or may not be coming back? I sub to u for those specifically lol
wait, doesn't the hail from your chilly reception weaken your moonlight healing
Let's gooooo! He returns!!
How much would the meta change if hazards were removed?
Is tinkaton used to be able to knock off through sticky hold?
sticky hold negates pickpocket and magician
@@colown8319 Mold Breaker buddy.
@@zilosis3794 oh i’m slow
Beating a great stall team patiently within less than 10 mins.. WE ARE SO BACK
He’s back W
We back with tourney GAMES
Thank you Freezai!! Missed your vids!
I personally think that HDB spam is just as toxic as the hazard stack+gholdengo meta, probably because the first is a consequence of the ladder, at least dengo isn't as popular as it used to be.
oddly enough gholdengo isn't used on hazard stack it's just difficult to safely clear hazards
Adjective city up in here baby
Imagine just having a specs kyurem in this game
Freeze dry 2 shots all but blissey lol
The issue is that you're never getting to click it into anything other than blissey. You also only get 2 freeze dry clicks because rocks and 3 spikes are staying up, the gliscor is tera ghost to spinblock. The team is quite good vs kyurem
Why did that clodsire have poison sting? It's purely worse than poison jab except for PP. Is stall so bad that the extra PP is more valuable than an extra 65 power??
Clodsire has terrible attack so the difference in PP is pretty huge for stalling. Way more chances to poison an enemy with sting rather than jab longterm
It's also non-contact meaning it can't get flame bodied by volcarona, preventing burn chip.
ayoooo big stall tm hello mister
Welcome back! Definitely wanna see some doubles Rand bats!😅
Why does that clodsire set use poison sting instead of poison jab?
Also poison sting isnt a contact move so isnt punished by rocky helmet, static, flame body, ect
Moldbreaker tinkaton with knock off 👀
YAY HES BACK
I been playing stall the last 3 days and i gotta say, sure you lose to people who bring anti stall (not every time but like 6/10) but its made up for by the amount of people who just give you free wins at team preview. If i lose to anti stall tech, it doesnt bother me because i know im about to make up for it because most people dont wanna compermise their strat into other team styles just to prepare for the odd stall match.
I will say tho a ladder stall team is different from a tourney one. 6 HDB works on ladder but against prepared teams you need spin/defog, talonflame for gholdengo, and that item that prevents trapping moves (forget the name off top of head) on at least 2 mons
@@nicholasperry2302That's incorrect. Shed shell is the anti-trapping item, but it's not relevant. Removal is way too hard for stall, they are all boots spam rn. This apple stall is one of the main ones on ladder rn.
@@SPZ-gv2on yes my criticism was this would have to be adjusted for tournament play, ladder it works but in tournaments they are gonna bring hard stall counters if you are known as a stall player. Especially if there's only one viable stall team on ladder
huge return
This move can't be used. It's recommended that this move is forgotten. Once forgotten, this move can't be remembered.
Poison Sting for the sake of higher PP, disgusting
Why poison sting over poison jab on clodsire?
More pp, stall teams don't really need that much power and clodsire has low attack
That was so painful
Me when Freezai Live posts: 😃
how does sticky barb clef work?
Think magic guard prevent barb dmg and when some1 hits clef with a contact move it goes to them
Please never stop posting 🥺🥺🥺
Item clause when
I know he skipped some stuff but how did gliscore get sticky barb?
Freezais Gliscor used koff on the opposing Gliscor earlier in the match. This meant that when the enemy G used koff on clefable, it transfered the Sticky barb to the enemy
@@Plainguy8 ahh I see
I would die for u freezai!
...I mean faint!
Stall is why I stopped playing anything other than VGC... it takes forever and is not even fun to play against, win or lose. Glad to see it get destroyed.
Edit: does anyone know a tier where Stall isn't a thing?
One barbillion sticky dollar
IT IS NOT FREEZOVER I WANT YOU TO PUT THE WORD OUT THAT WE ARE BACK UP
Use sinistcha to beat this team as it can pp stall blissey and clod with tera steel
amnesia closire stands in ur way, so does CM blissey, and u need to have tera on it available
@@darthhydreigon820 tera steel and then strength sap. Then it can be beaten eventually if you get a burn. I have stalled out both Blissey and clod in the same match, cause all you need is a burn.
Why Is It legale for a team to have 5 HDB?
This isnt vgc, there's no item clause
Thanks for showing this. As someone that watches vgc, it makes me wonder why smogon rules make stall so powerful. They could easily make stall team hard to play by limiting certain Pokémons or moves or items. Is it because people enjoy longer battles?
They don't make stall that powerful, indeed stall in gen 9 is about as weak as it has ever been. As you can see here, the stall team was completely dismantled.
They don't make stall powerful lol, this gen Is more hyper offense than any other, there's no reason to make a playstile hard to play when its not broken. Smogon always try to lean the metagame towards balance since that usually means every playstile Is viable
Stall being a thing is inevitable, there's not any main singles meta where stall is the best style. The closest are defensive teams in gen 3 ig but offense is still very prevalent.
@@xham-ik9yr that's good to know. Like I said, I dont follow smogon much, but I feel that when I do, the games are very long and switch intensive. I also had this in mind: th-cam.com/video/6f4OFRAJ7zE/w-d-xo.html
This is insane
WE MAKING IT OUT OF THE ABYSS WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
what?
Haven't followed pokemon in a while. Why can you have multiple pokemon with Heavy Duty Boots on a team?
item clause is only a thing in vgc, I personally prefer it but in smogon metas you often want most of your pokemon holding the same item
@@lucasgreer1736 interesting, i thought item clause was in Smogon for earlier generations
@@PikaThePokePimpnope that was never the case even tho that would be interesting
LETSS GOOO
I love watching this POS stall team get destroyed.
I think I speak for everybody when I say we all really miss randbats!
what reason is poison sting used? is it just for high pp?
High pp, decent poison chance, doesn't make contact, taunt doesn't stop
the goat
guess who's back 🙂
Please more randbats