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London’s NEWEST Tri-Axle Hybrid Double Decker Bus on Route 12 + Journey!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ย. 2018
- Today was the day the Enterprise BCI Tri-Axle Hybrid Double Decker powered by Vantage Power entered service on TFL London Route 12. This bus route is operated by Go Ahead London fro Camberwell Bus Garage using New Routemasters.
After more than 6 months of teething troubles, I caught it on the first day of service. This was the first bus that I have seen that has LED Blinds, and they are truly remarkable, the average commuter would not tell the difference.
People thought it was a new Routemaster and hence started boarding from the middle doors, ofcourse the bus doesn’t have readers here! The interior is nice but some would describe it as a bit plastic. The lower deck salon is poorly laid out, a pushchair would have to board from the central doors as the staircase extrudes into the main aisle.
The exterior boasts about USB Charging, phone holders (useless after a few weeks), more seats and air conditioning. Yet no wifi!!!!
The extra seats are a bonus, the bus is nippy and it doesn’t feel heavy, it can pull away quick too! If the trial is successful, then a few more could be ordered for TFL London Routes!
TA1 - LX18DGF
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Note - this bus has an extra set of wheels. Hence it is called Tri-Axle. After a long gap, the third axle returns on TFL commercial services in London
BusesInLondon oh okay sorry let me find my own one
I drove it....and I actually like it.
It helps the driver to be more aware with all the safety aids/alarms sounding in the cab.
I hope ADL can trial their tri-axles in the capital soon...!!! 🤔💭...✅👌
Hi Anton! Yes, these safety features were a shared responsibility across different London Operators. I believe the ADL Tri-Axles do not meet London specs (E500's) as they are too heavy?
@@membershipofbus do it in his channel :/
What happened to these buses I don’t see them anymore?
FINALLY! CAN'T WAIT TO GO ON THIS! GREAT VIDEO 👍
Thanks!
Great video as always. Well worth the wait. I can't wait to catch one on these. 🚌😀
thanks
@@BusesInLondon no worries 😀👍🏼
Wow That's Very Cool by the way it's Amazing you Caught the Tri-Axle bus Ever and I will Try and Catch it soon as I can by the way Great Video
Thanks!
These buses are sick! (In like amazing), thanks for uploding this amazing video.
+RobloxGaming HD thx
the tri-axle is very refreshing, but london's cramped roads limit the potential usability on certain routings that fit best to its demand such as 65 (twists and turns in ham). At least certain routes like 18, 607, 25 and 73 have a higher chance of using tri-axles as with their previous exp with bendy buses.
+Abe Chow I agree routes 25 607 etc would be ideal for the route. You never know they may get e400XLB buses
Great video mate and at last it's in service.
Thank you!
I love the sound of this. Arriva Midlands need to get some of these in Sapphire for the 127 from Leicester to Loughborough and Shepshed.
A few thoughts on this bus - I haven't been on it so can't comment on certain features, however:
I'm not convinced the 12 was the best route to trial it on. In addition to passengers being used to open boarding on the route, this vehicle has more seats per door area than a conventional layout bus, let alone an LT. Maybe it won't be such a big problem in practice but I would have thought this would lead to increased dwell times at stops compared to the other buses on the route, resulting in bunching. In my opinion any bus of this size used in London should at least have a second staircase if not a third door. It would certainly help in making sure passengers manage to reach the exit doors by the time the bus has stopped, which on faster sections of routes can sometimes be a struggle on a conventional bus if the stops are closely spaced.
It's a good idea to trial air-con) though they've missed the hot weather this year!) and the other interior features. Hopefully those seats are as comfortable as they look. The blue variant of the TfL interior actually doesn't look bad to me though I still prefer the red one (and wish it was a standard requirement).
Finally I'm still not a fan of the styling of the Enterprise but that's not something specific to this vehicle.
Wow a detailed comment!
I agree, dual boarding is useful but it wont be if the bus is jam packed. It did happen yesteday though. I dont think a second staircase will be useful as it takes away from more seating room.
Hopefully all the features are in use in the summer again!
The interior styling is nice, some say plasticky but theyve really missed the trick in regards to the aisle width, a pram wont fit through like a normal bus due to the massive staircase
@@BusesInLondon A 12m tri-axle with the layout of an NRM could still seat 70, maybe 72 depending on if the equipment at the very rear of the upper deck could be relocated. Remove the middle door and go for a "passenger flow" layout and it would be even higher, though that might cause delays when very crowded as wheelchair users would have to board and alight through the front door as on a provincial bus. Seating capacity isn't everything however, if the vehicles spend more time at stops the effective capacity of each bus reduces slightly as they're taking longer to complete a round trip and you either need more or the frequency goes down.
Which brings up another point, carrying more passengers per bus may be more efficient but that means lower frequencies. With plenty of routes having excess capacity as it is, I'd say it would be better to stay with two-axle buses and keep frequencies up as best as possible to avoid putting more passengers off using the service due to longer waiting times.
Many bus interiors have issues with plasticy or 'cheap' finishes and fittings in my opinion, at least when compared to the NRMs. I travelled on several early LTs (2013 deliveries) recently and their interiors really didn't look worn at all.
@Sentlsion Not at all, I don't live in London and the only TfL routes that are somewhat local to me are the 142 and 258, which are certainly not as suitable.
My comment is rather old now anyway but my reasoning was that compared to a conventional double deck, this bus is a step in a rather different direction to the New Routemaster, being more about increased capacity rather than easier boarding and reduced dwell times, and it seemed an odd choice of route if the main goal was to trial a tri-axle in service assuming that route 12, having NRMs allocated, suits those (and some may well argue otherwise of course). This BCI did have a number of other features and it may have been the idea to test those on a high-profile route in which case the choice is more logical - plus there's always negotiations with operators etc which can have an effect.
The 12 however is far from unchanged as it has been shortened considerably over the years. The remaining section has been rather stable but the same goes for many routes. I'm not sure that this was a factor though, as prototype buses have been trialled on many different routes, while more controlled "simulated" running of buses on test sites has based on route 159
Amazing video! They look nice on the inside. I'll be riding on one of these soon
Thanks and yes
enjoy your ride!
Great video!!!
Thanks!
This looks quite interesting! The lower front end makes me think of a the old East Lancs Lolyne! Infact the slight slope to the roof at the front has an East Lancs look about it too.
1 of the best buses no lie it was parked up by my house even went on it it’s like the buses in china
Great video
+Saif Jeetoo thx
Looking forward to having a ride
Looks nice
+LondonBuses57 yep
A beauty
+8R4THK4J 81 hmm
Nice.
Great video! I think we’re the only ones who did TA1e and I have to admit this bus is beautiful.
Nice, its *NOT* called TA1e, it is TA1
BusesInLondon yeah it’s TA1 😂 just like saying the e thing😂
Plasmas UKTransport it's not right to include it in the fleetcode
omg i love that
so much
nice
I can't wait to ride these buses, they remind me of the Voith B7TLs and also the BYDs, but also the fire engine in GTA San Andreas 😂😂
have fun!
this got withdrawn in 2020. I miss these buses
Wellington, the capital of New Zealand, already has had 100% Electric Double Decker Buses since Mid 2018. They cost the government NZ$1,000,000 each which is fair as they can carry nearly 100 people. Plus they have fast chargers which can fully charge the buses in 5 minutes. A full charge can last up to 150km travel. Fair price considering the work they can do and they're highly popular with the youth and cheaper than your average NZ house.
Great thumbnail photo mate. =) Looks great too.
Thanks, taken at the Oxford Circus Stand
@@BusesInLondon Awesome. 😊👍
The new London buses look stunning
Love to drive one hope my company gets a batch
Tri Axle double deckers like those in Vancouver run by TransLink and Ottawa run by OC Transpo.
Great video! Can't wait to have a ride on that thing! One question do you know why the metroline optare solo srs have dot matrix blinds? I thought it wasn't allowed in London
+Jumpcircle Gaming they couldn't fit smartblinds on it
There is a Mercedes-Benz Citaro with a dot matrix blind on the 108 but Idk how long that one will stay in London
That would make sense thanks for the info!
TheOriginalWray It’s because it’s a demonstration unit...
Amazing bus! For a hybrid it sounds abit like a roaring Enviro 400 MMC
+VolvoTrident sounds like a vantage vlp
@@BusesInLondon Either way, decent bus ;)
Isn’t it electric
The 12 is a strange route to test these buses on, the 12 goes down some tight roads between Dulwich & Peckham, the 53 or 68 might’ve been a better choice since their radial routes which stays more or less on one major wide road for most of their route
It was initially penciled for use on the X68
149 is perfect for this
But the 12 is bus that get frequently used between Peckham Rye and Elephant and Castle. I see what you mean by tight bends but I think they done this to build the capacity and number of passengers on the bus itself.
Bus 25 would be amazing with this
@@TakaCode So true, I sometimes use the 25 bus as well. The 25 route covers a load of main stops in East London like Stratford, Bow, Mile End and Bethnal Green and Central London stops like Aldgate, Bank, St Paul's and City Thameslink. So I think this new bus would be good for the 25. Well pointed out
Wow, how did you find this bus from, mate? I haven't seen that before, but where are they now??
I hope bus 25 will get theses someday.
You never know Stagecoach might order these for the 25 as the Contract has been awarded to Stagecoach from May 2020
me too, because 25 is my favourite bus route in London
In New Zealand & Australia, this bus is called the "BCI Citirider D", which is it's actual name (as it's a Double decker version of the Second-Generation Citirider).
Wow! intersting to know!
@@BusesInLondon BCI is an Australian company - the full name of the company is Bus & Coach International. They are based in the industrial suburb of Kewdale, in Western Australia’s capital city, Perth
2 wheels in the back Lol i actually like them
Nice Video. The bus sounds are cool. Sorry one question, When will the H12 use E400MMCs and what bus will 79 use.
we will see in december
I managed to catch this bus within seconds to spare and then rode a full journey and back
yes, i saw you were out of breath when you boarded the bus
Also congratulations on exactly 3000 subs! 👍🏻
Thanks!
Ive not been to Central London in months so not seen hide nor hear of this bus, spending time in St Albans away from the headache of London
have fun
Now nearly 2021 is this tri-axle bus still being tested ??
Great video.☺️ It reminds me of those buses in Hong Kong and a new version of the MHV’s and Optare Metro decker combined together with a third axle like in Hong Kong.☺️
Defo Hong Kong, they have long buses there!
also singapore
Great vid nevertheless
thx
Are these busses still in operation?
Where do you find this!?!
TfL should start using B8Ls as well
Hard to find it. What expect to wish to ride this! :(
How many of there are in service?
It also disappeared like the 98 which had a similar type of bus like this without 3 wheels 💀
I believe I'm right in remembering that Metroline trialled some rather bad LED displays on one of their E400s out of Cricklewood. I only saw it for like a week, and it clearly failed. Can't remember which vehicle it was tho
Those were Kindle Blinds, these are LED blinds which is a different system and it is much better!
@@BusesInLondon oh that's why the way they worked reminded me of an Amazon Kindle! Yes, LEDs are great, although why it's taken this long for them to make it to London instead of blinds, I have no idea
@@LucyMichela Probably the cost too, I think if more are ordered, the manufacturing price goes down...
It has the low browed look of the Plaxton President, it looks fantastic! Shame they are restricted to London, and I’ll have to look out for it when I next go, but every new bus represents the loss of a classic bus.
Theyre not, Ensign bus have quite a few of these, the company is australian i think
Oh, well still it's an interesting bus, much better than the new Routemaster which isn't quite my cup of tea.
@Environmentum new Routemasters are awful in my opinion, very little character compared to these. Plus we’re all entitled to these things we call “opinions”
This double decker bus would be perfect for a Motorhome conversion...
lol
How many seats does it have?
It's funny how I was on the 182 today and the announcement was supposed to say 'Sudbury and Harrow Road Station' but instead said 'Hayes ASDA' which was exteremely strange
ibus glitch
@@BusesInLondon Yeah. It's quite funny when that happens although for some passengers that can be confusing
@@BusesInLondon Congrats on reaching 3K subs
New Zealand has narrow streets hand has fleets of BCI and Enviro500 Double Deckers all almost the same specs.
nice!
The BCI's are lets just say, can't handle our roads and their chassis decide to snap.
Rear axle tag steering,I’m a bus driver of 12m single and tri-axles double decker and also 18m articulate bus driver
nice
London deserves Enviro400XLB buses already in Edinburgh!
What engine do they Have?
is it LED blinded and if it is, is it the same type that are on Stagecoaches E400 ?
yes
Was this built by optare
It seems to be very different to when I caught it. That hybrid engine also sounds a lot like the BYD E200MMC on the 507 & 521. A couple questions:
1. What's the general feel of the bus?
2. Is it a nice bus?
3. Finally, would you want more of these buses
4. Oh and do you think it needs Wi-Fi?!
Sounds more like those vantage VLPs tbh.
Bus is great and quick. Poor interior layout as prams have to board from the central doors. Others have described it as plasticky.
Passengers think it is a routemaster as it is long and start boarding using the middle doors.
Would be helpful on some busier routes in London
Dont think so as now pretty much everyone has 4G
@@BusesInLondon That's great, I think a trial like this is helpful for operators to see what they can do. Yet I agree with it being plastikiy and I do think it will create problems with boarding
they need these buses on route 18
+Junaid Sheeraz maybe
They should put these on long routes like the X26
Or 278
I saw these buses on my way to work. Are they testing them out or are they going to become a permanent feature on London’s Roads? I feel like these buses are more for cities outside of London.
Zetch brown testing
I’m guessing the failed the test
Enjoyed the hand reveal 💀💀💀
Insert Name Here you can't tell anything from that
Before this bus was introduced I used 12 weekly to get to Dulwich
Annoyed now
oh no!
It is good although i don't like the fact it has an extra set of wheels
What has happened to these buses?
What happened to these buses ?
These seem like quite nice buses, do you like them?
The phone holders seem like a good idea just but just badly designed, unless it is maintained well, in a few weeks you will be barely able to open them because of chewing gum
After a short 5 minutes ride, Id say they are good quick buses but the interior is badly designed.
Agree about the phone slots, theyre gonna break.
I think those USB chargers suppport fast charging too!
12m?
Didn't Ensign bus have these as well???
Yes they do but not in TFL service. They are also diesel btw
Sounds like a washing machine lol
What’s the benefit of 3 wheels? And also if this is a trial, they need to improve on making it look like a London bus not a foreign one, also no back windows and the ibus looks weird. But at least it stays in electric mode unlike most other hybrids.
More passengers per bus may mean a total of less buses on the road. Tri-axles are usually seen on long distance trips however (like NationalExpress)
BusesInLondon so it increases fuel efficiency or something like that?
we dont know yet, It depends on the usage of the bus. There could be a better MPG per person...
omgitzmo It’s a foreign bus, what did you expect......?
@@ChilternTransportProductions foreign buses are better than British buses just saying.
Adl Wrightbus and optare are all cheap plastic garbage
N 12 to Dulwich
I don't think those buses gonna last long in Dulwich ......
Wouldn't this be ideal for the Heathrow Central to Croydon Express Route.
Really?
Thomas Fluskey No. Luggage racks are the priority on that route, not the extra capacity of a tri axle or double doors
Why this New London bus got Three wheels and not two wheels there were from Scottish bus?
its a trial
Why does Camberwell always get the newest and best buses? At Merton, the newest bus we have are the awful WSDs.
WSDs are new...
BusesInLondon But they’re no good
there is a picture on facebook with anton standing next to it
+oforid222 Official Wow? Is there a link?
BusesInLondon I will find it
BusesInLondon it’s on instagram
This one sounds weird like a VOLVO B5LH a BYD and a E40H in one bus but it's awesome
+Daniel's UK Transport videos and more nice
What ever happened to these tri-axle buses
Do tfl still have these buses
+Nintendo Fanboy plays roblox and more yes
@@BusesInLondon ok thanks, but which bus route has those buses
@@NintendoFanboy21 route seen in the video
I hope these buses will operate on the route 12 soon like replacing the RouteMasters on it
The Routemasters are daily new, they are most likely to go on another route which is worth it like the 25 or 140?
Ho-Kit Lam I guess you're right
We don’t see these 12 buses no more
That a electral bus
i like it but it should of used a B5LH engine
@Sentlsion you do know anything can have the B5LH chssis, evosetis can have B5TLs while Gemini 3s can have hydrogens streetdeck and B5TL chassis, so yes this could infact acompany the B5LH chassis, so know your levels and calm down😂😂😂
Yay first view lol
Is this the e500?
no
K
What it's called oh and btw that looks like a e500 so that's why I said that
@@MsEdy09 bruh doesn't look like an e500
Is London going to buy any?
this is a trial so maybe after it ends
Reminds me of the scanias
Did you film upstairs?
@@alxchung3440 no
Make the buses bigger, more passengers on each one, won’t need so many buses so less drivers to pay for, new idea for saving money
Pretty funny bus isn't??? 🤔
busesinlondon
I found this on images? Am I accidentally copying someone else’s picture?
you cant use an image found on a google search, it needs to be a picture *you took yourself*. If it isnt, you need to change.
Jeez that hurts my ears the freaken engine sounds likes it’s going through some problems or something Plus Vantage power needs to make that sounds go away because boi that hurts my ears very bad like my ears are ringing
+TFL_Travel_RBLX what noise. Please change your profile picture as that is not your photo
KNOCK OFF CHINESE BUS 😂😂
GeminiNightmares lol
That bust looks horrible. I prefer the route master because it’s so curvy and modern looking.
I hate tfl because they replaced it with new routemasters
Interesting concept but I’ll be honest, this is not an attractive piece of street furniture.
@expressTransport374 LOL
Tbh its not bad in the flesh, better than an Evoseti on the 30/13 etc
@expressTransport374 the fact that narrow streets dont suit a triaxle is ridiculous, theyre the same width as any bus!
Infact it looks better in real life
@expressTransport374 agree, no need for the phone holders, the interior is actually nice but they need to sort out a few big issues
an e500 with rear wheel steer will outturn any 10m bus, lol
Its kinda ugly still and its abit hard to accept given thay there are soo many dual axles and this is the only tri-axle. If they wanted a proper tri-axle bus they should have ordered the Man Lion City Double decker but i really think bendy buses should make a return due to their flexibility.
they may not be fuel efficient
Another diesel bus with a laughable little electric motor attached to it. Hooray! Just call it "hybrid" and everybody thinks it's super ecofriendly. Next step: Introduce a battery-electric bus and call that ecofriendly. Hooray! Gosh! The word is : PANTOGRAPH!!! Overhead electrification!!! Zero emissions A N D no batteries! Every 100-year old tramway is more ecofriendly than this bus. But I guess it makes us all somehow feel better, right? 😂🤣😅
EWWWWWWW what is this monstrosity
@expressTransport374 Theyre better than an evoseti!
That looks so ugly
This bus looks way too American!