Important to understand is that WADA does not appeal him not doping. They are only appealing that he could still be found respondible of the mistake of his physio.
Ma Sinner ha già pagato per questo, gli hanno tolto punti e montepremi del torneo perché responsabile del suo team. O sbaglio ? Quindi un tennista paga il fisioterapista per fare il suo lavoro ma deve essere il tennista a controllare cosa fa il fisioterapista ? Forse sono io che non capisco...
@@chiccha19 Responsabilità oggettiva e "colpa o negligenza" sono due cose diverse. Sinner è già stato sanzionato per la responsabilità oggettiva, ora WADA chiede che a norma di regolamento gli sia riconosciuta anche "colpa o negligenza non significative" e in questo caso la sanzione arriverebbe a un massimo di 2 anni di squalifica.
@@roYTube68 Yes it's absolutely exaggerated, but unfortunately you can: art 10.6.1.1: In case of "No Significant Fault or Negligence" the period of Ineligibility shall be, at a minimum, a reprimand and no period of Ineligibility, and at a maximum, two (2) years of Ineligibility, depending on the Athlete’s or other Person’s degree of Fault."
So everyone who kept saying he was given preferential treatment is happy now. Meanwhile other athletes with the same case didn’t get an appeal. Also this is the first time Wada appealed the decision of an independent tribunal like Sport Resolution.
when he is acquitted, you appraised the lawful process and when the same process goes the other way around, all of a sudden it is not the right thing...
SYDNEY (AP) - The world's top anti-doping regulator says 23 Chinese swimmers were cleared to compete at the Tokyo Olympics despite testing positive for a banned heart medication because it agreed with Chinese authorities and ruled that their samples had been contaminated.
you do know the doping tests are random? so they test all the swimmers (23) who ate the contaminated foods - therefore the foods were contaminated - Sinner's excuses are far from convincing
@@firstlast-pt5ppNah, it's quite the opposite. They said that the food was contaminate by a substance that you can find only in form of pills, not so convincing. On the other hand, for Sinner's case there are a lot of official videos of the match with Naldi with a wounded finger and a receipt for Trofodermin purchase (that you can buy everywhere in Italy without prescription). Simply, you are not informed (as most of people that speck about this case)
Nothing in real life is binary. The antidoping exists for a reason. We don't want athletes to cheat but this is clearly not the case. Wada has completely lost it.
@@mehmetkunter5998 The paper that said that 3 different experts says the same thing. Two of them part of the WADA team. Unless you know something nobody knew facts are facts. No need to be insulting.
Rather ridiculous stuff. Three courst deemed him innocent. Wada accused ITIA to not have followed the correct peocedure for him. ITIA replied that they applied the procedure of the Wada guideline. Wada is simply corrupted, why they didn't anything against the Chineses swimmers founded all Doped in Tokyo Olympics?...
Simona Halep is also, 'a brilliant representative of our sport'. Simona, 'has always carried herself with such high class'. Where are your arguments for Simona? Why such a big outpouring for Jannik? What's the story exactly?
because all of those people knows that he is a good person and Simona is not that so.. how they know, I dont have a clue.. it looks like both are friends and close with thousands of people around the world.
@@virat5828 2 tests in 8 days, no failures before or after that time span, and they followed the same rules for him as for others, he just won because he had evidence. Having evidence isn't preferential treatment.
@@billiey36 evidence? Do you really think it entered his body through a spray? The whole story looks shady and it's good WADA has appealed now and he'll get what he deserves.
Well I don’t think he’s a cheater. I think he was unaware of the situation. However the question is whether or not it matters though. If there have been previous players that have been “innocent” but penalized, then unfortunately they need to be consistent. Is it fair to penalize an innocent player.…NO….but what do you do? It wouldn’t be fair to penalize one innocent player but not another either. At least if you’re consistent then it’s unfair for EVERYONE….which maybe makes it kinda fair? They either just need to change the rule or stay consistent. If they do change the rule though, they would need to do it on an empty slate, not in coordinance with a specific situation such as this otherwise people will complain.
The fact is that he could demonstrate how substance enter, and remember just of 0.00000001 that is not doping, the truth is that is a political case for wada… and is a problem
So Sinner starts to play at the top level in the sport, then get busted for a ban substance (at the same time as 40 other Italian athletes). And his excuse is that his trainer had an OPEN WOUND on his hand from a cut, and proceeded to give Sinner many massages with no gloves or bandages while also using a banned substance on his open wound. Nonsense. I am glad WADA is doing its job….
And Sinner was playing well before and after the contamination case. Muscles don't stay if you don't keep feeding them, so if they were caused by substances they should have disappeard shortly after he was caught
@@BLACKMARKETITALY what is called to call someone stupid or what he wrote as stupidities? you should know because it looks like you are more intellectual than the general public... called summary justice wooow... I was so impressed, guess my stupidity
Sorry, but we need to clarify a few things. Is Sinner, because he is indirectly responsible, guilty and therefore should be punished?????. IN ANY COURT THIS IS THE WAY TO JUDGE PEOPLE, not even in civil or criminal courts. I will give an extreme case: two people accused of murder: one ends up under house arrest with a three-year sentence and the other one is sentenced to life in prison. Why such a difference? Because in any court, the intentionality, the atrocity of the murder and the manner and many other things are assessed. That is how any trial works! In Sinner's case, they assessed the video evidence, the ointment found immediately and the insignificant amount in the body, and that Sinner was not aware that the physiotherapist used that ointment and that due to some wounds on his foot it came into contact with his blood. And finally, how the number one in the world would be so stupid to take Costebol, a substance that almost no one uses for doping, because it's obsolete so much so that was used in the 80s by Russian athletes, and also considering the quantity found on his blood. Let us remember that Bortolotti, an Italian tennis player accused of consuming Costebol, was acquitted like Sinner by Itia but Wada didn't appeal. In this case we can say that the importance of being number 1 in the world played against Sinner, because of the opportunity that the Sinner case gave Wada to make them an huge Advertising. Another example is Palomino, the Argentine football player who was accused of taking Costebol and who actually proved that he had administered the substance to his dog and was acquitted like Sinner. There are plenty of cases like Sinner, Bortolotti and Palomino and it is not true that Sinner was treated better than other tennis players and it's important before to write nonsense, and get the right informations and don't let yourself be guided by the desire for summary justice like in the Middle Ages.
Wada does not think Sinner has doped, this is quite clear. Only appeals on the point he may have been negligent. A ban may be (and was in this case) eliminated entirely from the picture as a result of No Fault or Negligence when an individual can establish that they did not know or suspect, or could not have reasonably known or suspected, even with the utmost caution that they had violated an anti-doping rule. The matter was adjudicated independently. ITIA took the matter to an independent tribunal that has ruled the player is innocent, there is no fault or negligence, just gave him a sanction for objective responsibility eliminating the Indian Wells result. This is the first time in history WADA appeals the decision of an independent tribunal. Sinner is treated worse than 100% of sportsmen before him. In the past, WADA has only appealed federation and national anti-doping decisions and sanctions. Also, if there is fault or negligence sanction must include cancellation of all results according to anti-doping law, so Wada is contradictory. Negligence means knowing. WADA must prove Sinner knew - good luck to them - and also that he is the greatest idiot on Planet Earth, because the quantity is one billionth of a gram and he would have risked the destruction of his career for that. Objective responsibility is not negligence.
WADA’ pride is hurt and that is the only problem. Now they want to destroy Sinners career, one of the nicest boy on the circuit! Who is paying Wada anyway?
It doesn't matter whether sinner cheated or not, his team should not be in possession of the clostebol product. He should have been suspended lole the others,That why WADA intervened
- WADA did nothing about the Chinese swimmers so now it wants to take it out on Sinner. WADA ultimately determined that it was in no position to challenge the Chinese contamination scenario and an appeal was not warranted! USDOJ is now investigating that case and WADA calls it extraterritorial justice by USDOJ! - WADA said the ITIA ruling was "not correct under the applicable rules" and that Sinner should be banned for "between one and two years"! - The ITIA said its process was run according to WADA guidelines but respected its right to appeal. Sport Resolutions (RS) came to the same conclusion as ITIA. WADA is basically saying the independent ITIA and SR are wrong. - The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) will now need to decide whether the world number one should be held in any way responsible for a sequence of events which began with his physio using a spray to treat a cut on his finger. - While ITIA & SR have made their entire investigation and rulings public, the WADA chickens have remained silent about their reasons to appeal. - Sinner is free to play and the case could take many months by CAS to resolve. - Fortunately, Sinner has the means to spend money on lawyers.
I also think that's total rubbish. I think a small penalty for carelessness is okay - at least for the outward sign. And he's already had points deducted, hasn't he? That's totally enough. I'm not particularly a fan of his, but I am a fan of the sport. And that only harms the sport. I feel so sorry for him
@@Xena657 I see the glass half full. He will prove his innocence for the fourth time. 3 out of 3 Wada experts from the independent body ITIA have already unanimously agreed with him. The CAS works like this: the board that decides is made up of 3 arbitrators (one appointed by the CAS, one by Wada, one by Sinner) and it is enough that 2 out of 3 agree with you, considering that one will be appointed by Jannik, we are talking about convincing the one appointed by the CAS, and possibly the one appointed by Wada, I don't think the one appointed by himself is up for discussion. Ergo, where would the problem be? He must demonstrate his non-negligence, which is what 3 out of 3 experts have already said, so I really see zero problem. And then there is the Palomino case that sets a precedent: same substance, 10x times greater amount for Palomino, involuntary contamination in both cases: player acquitted by the CAS, zero suspension. It is the same thing that will happen to Jannik. No referee can go against the opinion of a doping expert like the 3 who have already said there is no negligence. The trial is a pro forma made by Wada to show that they are hard and pure, nothing more.
It's annoying that the tennis mass media all want to play defense for Sinner as if his innocence is unquestionable. The ITIA TADP is based on the WADA anti doping code. WADA itself is objecting to how the ITIA reached its decision of no fault or negligence based on the code.
WADA also concluded that he didnt dope but was contaminated by his physio. So the facts of the case as were presented by the tribunal stand. Wada is only appealing that Sinner should be still held responsible for the mistake within its team. Even when it was an accident
@@alessandrovalente7645 he must be the first no1 player to be tested positive for steroids ever not once but twice,that's not a good look either for him or the authorities.
@@alessandrovalente7645 The fact is that he committed an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) (two of them) because clostebol metabolite was found in his system. Now Sinner claimed and the ITIA believed him that he did not take Clostebol on purpose. No one would really know because it's almost impossible to distinguish clostebol entering his system through skin to skin contact and the tail end of a methodical doping program. That's what makes clostebol great as a masking agent. He sold a story and the ITIA bought it hook line and sinker. Whether he doped intentionally or not is not important anymore. What is important is that he gets banned like everyone else like Jarry and Halep. That would be enough to fix the situation.
It becomes ridiculous: at the end, a top talent who gave his life to this sport risks to be banned, NOT because a forbidden substance improved his skills, but because he is responsible for the behaviour of a teammember who gave him a forbidden substance (which had no effect…) ?! 🧐 correct ?
Where did you get that from? A lot of tennis fans feel he cheated. And the not reporting it is was shady. How do you know Paul? You don’t. We have read Andre’s book. So don’t tell us about what the tennis establishment won’t do! Agassi was a high integrity player also.
Just a simple question: How could the scientists have performed their analysis without knowing the identity of people involved (as required by the procedures) if the case was made public? And FYI no organization in charge to evaluate this event suggest sinner cheated. Wada is not questioning Sinner's story, they think that he is still responsible for the physio actions. The Lausanne CAS will rule on this.
Wow really, Sinner is surprised he may have to face consequences for his and his teams actions, on a very serious issue??! Rules are rules, glad WADA are appealing.
WADA is just looking for an image of credibility to please public opinion, especially after the criticism received for the case of the Chinese swimmers, essentially to demonstrate that there is no preferential treatment for anyone, as more than a few "important voices" in tennis had complained, not realizing that by doing so they are making everyone unhappy, obviously those who believe in innocence, but also those who believe in guilt who, given the non-request to revoke all the trophies won after the positive test, will continue to talk about preferential treatment (well, on the one hand they will be unhappy and on the other happy because they will be able to continue to protest and attack Sinner). However, it is already clear that they have not been able to find any evidence to undermine the essential points of the defense, I believe that they will only play on his "objective responsibility" or some other quibble regarding his hypothetical negligence in not having controlled the behavior of people who depended on him (the only unclear points are when and how Naldi applied his self the spray) In any case, the reference to not revoking the trophies won is ridiculous because, since they want to refute the absence of negligence, if they succeeded then they should be revoked, in addition to the fact that it would be something that the TAS decides and certainly not the person filing the appeal.
I see the glass half full. He will prove his innocence for the fourth time. 3 out of 3 Wada experts from the independent body ITIA have already unanimously agreed with him. The CAS works like this: the board that decides is made up of 3 arbitrators (one appointed by the CAS, one by Wada, one by Sinner) and it is enough that 2 out of 3 agree with you, considering that one will be appointed by Jannik, we are talking about convincing the one appointed by the CAS, and possibly the one appointed by Wada, I don't think the one appointed by himself is up for discussion. Ergo, but where would the problem be? He must demonstrate his non-negligence, which is what 3 out of 3 experts have already said, so I really see zero problem. And then there is the Palomino precedent that sets a precedent: same substance, 10x times greater amount for Palomino, involuntary hiring in both cases: player acquitted by the CAS, zero suspension. It is the same thing that will happen to Jannik. No referee can go against the opinion of a doping expert like the 3 who have already said there is no negligence. The trial is a pro forma made by Wada to show that they are hard and pure, nothing more.
Finally someone who knows how to argue intelligently and above all knows how the processes go. But the ignorant and stupid haters will continue to write and throw mud like the frustrated idiot Krygios and like that old American idiot with the microphone in his hand super fan of Alcaraz. But of one thing I am sure Sinner will come out of this stronger than before.
Nike used to test the amounts of dope a player can take in order to not be detected on tests but still have some effect. How do you know this is not the case? Nike sponsors him...just saying, there are shady stuff going on here
@@ObftoFuvto WADA basicly acknowledged he did NOT dope. The issue is now if he still should be responsible for being contaminated by the hands of his physio, who had used the substance on itself. It just shows how strict wada wants to be in this high profile case
To avoid any confusion and controversy in the future, why don't they impose an automatic ban for any player found positive for 6 months regardless of whether they are innocent or not? If within that 6 months they are unable to satisfactorily account for the positive result, then the ban will be extended to 2 years. This will ensure that cases like Sinner's or Halep's won't be mired in controversy in future because everyone will be treated equally.
@@miroslavjanecek9993 no,that would ensure fairness because an unknown British player Tara Moore tested positive for nandrolone metabolites and boldenone in 2022 after inadvertently consuming contaminated meat but she was sidelined for 19 months before finally a panel ruled that contaminated meat was the source of the substances. What makes this situation even more intolerable is that players like Moore cannot really afford to miss 19 months off the tour and the loss of earnings due to their low rankings unlike Sinner. Looks like it's one rule for the top players and another for the rest under current regulations! And Sinner was tested positive TWICE! Was he not informed of his first positive test? No wonder WADA is appealing.🤣
Wada's incorrect behavior is demonstrated by the fact that never before had this anti-doping body appealed to the CAS for a ruling issued by an independent tribunal such as the ITIA. This reveals its mania for protagonism or alternatively even worse hypotheses that I do not even want to mention.
I don't know how this is going to end because more than once in past we've seen very arguable decisions. I believe in Sinner's innocence but I'm afraid of WADA's idiocy. There's a battle between powers going on here and I hope that Sinner doesn't end paying the price for it.
Those wada guys could have e approached him to join their stupid cult to stand down on the doping case. Perhaps he refused and the case is uprise again.
@@mafiooato7233 the problem I'd that the process WAS followed, actually to the letter but many players and pundits don't seem to understand the processes. Of course all due diligence has to be followed, no one is saying it shouldn't. Without knowing what WADA is challenging about the original judgment we just have to wait and see. What I am objecting to is these knee jerk 'he should be banned no matter what' reactions.
@@mafiooato7233 I see the glass half full. He will prove his innocence for the fourth time. 3 out of 3 Wada experts from the independent body ITIA have already unanimously agreed with him. The CAS works like this: the board that decides is made up of 3 arbitrators (one appointed by the CAS, one by Wada, one by Sinner) and it is enough that 2 out of 3 agree with you, considering that one will be appointed by Jannik, we are talking about convincing the one appointed by the CAS, and possibly the one appointed by Wada, I don't think the one appointed by himself is up for discussion. Ergo, but where would the problem be? He must demonstrate his non-negligence, which is what 3 out of 3 experts have already said, so I really see zero problem. And then there is the Palomino precedent that sets a precedent: same substance, 10x times greater amount for Palomino, involuntary hiring in both cases: player acquitted by the CAS, zero suspension. It is the same thing that will happen to Jannik. No referee can go against the opinion of a doping expert like the 3 who have already said there is no negligence. The trial is a pro forma made by Wada to show that they are hard and pure, nothing more.
Thanks God for Mark Petchy one of the few commentators who actually seems to understand the rules and processes.
Important to understand is that WADA does not appeal him not doping. They are only appealing that he could still be found respondible of the mistake of his physio.
Exactly!
But for that you can't ask a period of ineligibility between 1 or 2 years.
That would be absolutely exaggerated!
Ma Sinner ha già pagato per questo, gli hanno tolto punti e montepremi del torneo perché responsabile del suo team. O sbaglio ? Quindi un tennista paga il fisioterapista per fare il suo lavoro ma deve essere il tennista a controllare cosa fa il fisioterapista ? Forse sono io che non capisco...
@@chiccha19 Responsabilità oggettiva e "colpa o negligenza" sono due cose diverse. Sinner è già stato sanzionato per la responsabilità oggettiva, ora WADA chiede che a norma di regolamento gli sia riconosciuta anche "colpa o negligenza non significative" e in questo caso la sanzione arriverebbe a un massimo di 2 anni di squalifica.
@@roYTube68 Yes it's absolutely exaggerated, but unfortunately you can:
art 10.6.1.1: In case of "No Significant Fault or Negligence" the period of Ineligibility shall be, at a minimum, a reprimand and no period of Ineligibility, and at a maximum, two (2) years of Ineligibility, depending on the Athlete’s or other Person’s degree of Fault."
So everyone who kept saying he was given preferential treatment is happy now. Meanwhile other athletes with the same case didn’t get an appeal. Also this is the first time Wada appealed the decision of an independent tribunal like Sport Resolution.
Ask yourself why.
It's just a show for the public, they know themselves that all the top athletes are doing it
@@ObftoFuvtowow you monitor it 24/7? Hahaha
when he is acquitted, you appraised the lawful process and when the same process goes the other way around, all of a sudden it is not the right thing...
SYDNEY (AP) - The world's top anti-doping regulator says 23 Chinese swimmers were cleared to compete at the Tokyo Olympics despite testing positive for a banned heart medication because it agreed with Chinese authorities and ruled that their samples had been contaminated.
you do know the doping tests are random? so they test all the swimmers (23) who ate the contaminated foods - therefore the foods were contaminated - Sinner's excuses are far from convincing
@@firstlast-pt5ppNah, it's quite the opposite. They said that the food was contaminate by a substance that you can find only in form of pills, not so convincing. On the other hand, for Sinner's case there are a lot of official videos of the match with Naldi with a wounded finger and a receipt for Trofodermin purchase (that you can buy everywhere in Italy without prescription). Simply, you are not informed (as most of people that speck about this case)
What year for him, I hope good people deserves good things, Janis is definitely one of those people.
how do you know he is a good person?
Nothing in real life is binary. The antidoping exists for a reason. We don't want athletes to cheat but this is clearly not the case. Wada has completely lost it.
how do you know that this is not the case,,, your couch says so
@@mehmetkunter5998 The paper that said that 3 different experts says the same thing. Two of them part of the WADA team. Unless you know something nobody knew facts are facts. No need to be insulting.
pretty serious stuff
Rather ridiculous stuff. Three courst deemed him innocent. Wada accused ITIA to not have followed the correct peocedure for him.
ITIA replied that they applied the procedure of the Wada guideline.
Wada is simply corrupted, why they didn't anything against the Chineses swimmers founded all Doped in Tokyo Olympics?...
Sinner is a gem , stop the nonsense 🏆🏆
so did lance armstrong... 7 times winner, he was a gem too...
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Simona Halep is also, 'a brilliant representative of our sport'. Simona, 'has always carried herself with such high class'. Where are your arguments for Simona? Why such a big outpouring for Jannik? What's the story exactly?
because all of those people knows that he is a good person and Simona is not that so.. how they know, I dont have a clue.. it looks like both are friends and close with thousands of people around the world.
*consequence*
Of wada corruption
Noooooooo!!! It is clearly not his fault!!! Life him alone!!!
Give Sinner a break. Everyone knows he wins based on his skills and talent. It's undeniable.
the haters will never admit it
Point is 2 failed drug tests, and was he given preferential treatment?
@@virat5828 2 tests in 8 days, no failures before or after that time span, and they followed the same rules for him as for others, he just won because he had evidence. Having evidence isn't preferential treatment.
@@billiey36 evidence? Do you really think it entered his body through a spray? The whole story looks shady and it's good WADA has appealed now and he'll get what he deserves.
@virat5828 it is more likely that WADA knows a bit more than it is presented.
Well I don’t think he’s a cheater. I think he was unaware of the situation. However the question is whether or not it matters though. If there have been previous players that have been “innocent” but penalized, then unfortunately they need to be consistent. Is it fair to penalize an innocent player.…NO….but what do you do? It wouldn’t be fair to penalize one innocent player but not another either. At least if you’re consistent then it’s unfair for EVERYONE….which maybe makes it kinda fair? They either just need to change the rule or stay consistent. If they do change the rule though, they would need to do it on an empty slate, not in coordinance with a specific situation such as this otherwise people will complain.
How is it possible that noone had heard of the bortolotti s case by now?
Thanky you! Finally someone mentions it @@marissssss11111
The fact is that he could demonstrate how substance enter, and remember just of 0.00000001 that is not doping, the truth is that is a political case for wada… and is a problem
So Sinner starts to play at the top level in the sport, then get busted for a ban substance (at the same time as 40 other Italian athletes). And his excuse is that his trainer had an OPEN WOUND on his hand from a cut, and proceeded to give Sinner many massages with no gloves or bandages while also using a banned substance on his open wound. Nonsense. I am glad WADA is doing its job….
Sei un demente
Do your research before posting. Wada is not questioning Sinner's story but they think he's still responsible for his physio blowout
And Sinner was playing well before and after the contamination case. Muscles don't stay if you don't keep feeding them, so if they were caused by substances they should have disappeard shortly after he was caught
you have completely distorted what happened, yours is called summary justice. Inform you before to write stupidities
@@BLACKMARKETITALY what is called to call someone stupid or what he wrote as stupidities? you should know because it looks like you are more intellectual than the general public... called summary justice wooow... I was so impressed, guess my stupidity
Sorry, but we need to clarify a few things. Is Sinner, because he is indirectly responsible, guilty and therefore should be punished?????. IN ANY COURT THIS IS THE WAY TO JUDGE PEOPLE, not even in civil or criminal courts. I will give an extreme case: two people accused of murder: one ends up under house arrest with a three-year sentence and the other one is sentenced to life in prison. Why such a difference? Because in any court, the intentionality, the atrocity of the murder and the manner and many other things are assessed. That is how any trial works! In Sinner's case, they assessed the video evidence, the ointment found immediately and the insignificant amount in the body, and that Sinner was not aware that the physiotherapist used that ointment and that due to some wounds on his foot it came into contact with his blood. And finally, how the number one in the world would be so stupid to take Costebol, a substance that almost no one uses for doping, because it's obsolete so much so that was used in the 80s by Russian athletes, and also considering the quantity found on his blood. Let us remember that Bortolotti, an Italian tennis player accused of consuming Costebol, was acquitted like Sinner by Itia but Wada didn't appeal. In this case we can say that the importance of being number 1 in the world played against Sinner, because of the opportunity that the Sinner case gave Wada to make them an huge Advertising. Another example is Palomino, the Argentine football player who was accused of taking Costebol and who actually proved that he had administered the substance to his dog and was acquitted like Sinner. There are plenty of cases like Sinner, Bortolotti and Palomino and it is not true that Sinner was treated better than other tennis players and it's important before to write nonsense, and get the right informations and don't let yourself be guided by the desire for summary justice like in the Middle Ages.
Alcaraz is the one that seems to be on steroids... And obviously his countryman Nadal...
Wada does not think Sinner has doped, this is quite clear. Only appeals on the point he may have been negligent. A ban may be (and was in this case) eliminated entirely from the picture as a result of No Fault or Negligence when an individual can establish that they did not know or suspect, or could not have reasonably known or suspected, even with the utmost caution that they had violated an anti-doping rule.
The matter was adjudicated independently. ITIA took the matter to an independent tribunal that has ruled the player is innocent, there is no fault or negligence, just gave him a sanction for objective responsibility eliminating the Indian Wells result.
This is the first time in history WADA appeals the decision of an independent tribunal. Sinner is treated worse than 100% of sportsmen before him. In the past, WADA has only appealed federation and national anti-doping decisions and sanctions. Also, if there is fault or negligence sanction must include cancellation of all results according to anti-doping law, so Wada is contradictory.
Negligence means knowing. WADA must prove Sinner knew - good luck to them - and also that he is the greatest idiot on Planet Earth, because the quantity is one billionth of a gram and he would have risked the destruction of his career for that. Objective responsibility is not negligence.
WADA’ pride is hurt and that is the only problem. Now they want to destroy Sinners career, one of the nicest boy on the circuit! Who is paying Wada anyway?
It doesn't matter whether sinner cheated or not, his team should not be in possession of the clostebol product. He should have been suspended lole the others,That why WADA intervened
Mark P. Said that Jannik proved within 24 hours that he was not at fault. How did Jannik prove this? By just saying a story?
- WADA did nothing about the Chinese swimmers so now it wants to take it out on Sinner. WADA ultimately determined that it was in no position to challenge the Chinese contamination scenario and an appeal was not warranted! USDOJ is now investigating that case and WADA calls it extraterritorial justice by USDOJ!
- WADA said the ITIA ruling was "not correct under the applicable rules" and that Sinner should be banned for "between one and two years"!
- The ITIA said its process was run according to WADA guidelines but respected its right to appeal. Sport Resolutions (RS) came to the same conclusion as ITIA. WADA is basically saying the independent ITIA and SR are wrong.
- The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) will now need to decide whether the world number one should be held in any way responsible for a sequence of events which began with his physio using a spray to treat a cut on his finger.
- While ITIA & SR have made their entire investigation and rulings public, the WADA chickens have remained silent about their reasons to appeal.
- Sinner is free to play and the case could take many months by CAS to resolve.
- Fortunately, Sinner has the means to spend money on lawyers.
I also think that's total rubbish. I think a small penalty for carelessness is okay - at least for the outward sign. And he's already had points deducted, hasn't he? That's totally enough. I'm not particularly a fan of his, but I am a fan of the sport. And that only harms the sport. I feel so sorry for him
He might be going on a long holiday
You dream😊 he'll be winning atp finals, AO and then ruled innocent in 6 months time
@@Xena657 I see the glass half full. He will prove his innocence for the fourth time. 3 out of 3 Wada experts from the independent body ITIA have already unanimously agreed with him. The CAS works like this: the board that decides is made up of 3 arbitrators (one appointed by the CAS, one by Wada, one by Sinner) and it is enough that 2 out of 3 agree with you, considering that one will be appointed by Jannik, we are talking about convincing the one appointed by the CAS, and possibly the one appointed by Wada, I don't think the one appointed by himself is up for discussion. Ergo, where would the problem be? He must demonstrate his non-negligence, which is what 3 out of 3 experts have already said, so I really see zero problem. And then there is the Palomino case that sets a precedent: same substance, 10x times greater amount for Palomino, involuntary contamination in both cases: player acquitted by the CAS, zero suspension. It is the same thing that will happen to Jannik. No referee can go against the opinion of a doping expert like the 3 who have already said there is no negligence. The trial is a pro forma made by Wada to show that they are hard and pure, nothing more.
It's annoying that the tennis mass media all want to play defense for Sinner as if his innocence is unquestionable. The ITIA TADP is based on the WADA anti doping code. WADA itself is objecting to how the ITIA reached its decision of no fault or negligence based on the code.
WADA also concluded that he didnt dope but was contaminated by his physio. So the facts of the case as were presented by the tribunal stand. Wada is only appealing that Sinner should be still held responsible for the mistake within its team. Even when it was an accident
@@alessandrovalente7645 he must be the first no1 player to be tested positive for steroids ever not once but twice,that's not a good look either for him or the authorities.
@@alessandrovalente7645 The fact is that he committed an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) (two of them) because clostebol metabolite was found in his system. Now Sinner claimed and the ITIA believed him that he did not take Clostebol on purpose. No one would really know because it's almost impossible to distinguish clostebol entering his system through skin to skin contact and the tail end of a methodical doping program. That's what makes clostebol great as a masking agent. He sold a story and the ITIA bought it hook line and sinker. Whether he doped intentionally or not is not important anymore. What is important is that he gets banned like everyone else like Jarry and Halep. That would be enough to fix the situation.
It becomes ridiculous: at the end, a top talent who gave his life to this sport risks to be banned, NOT because a forbidden substance improved his skills, but because he is responsible for the behaviour of a teammember who gave him a forbidden substance (which had no effect…) ?! 🧐 correct ?
@@fabiantondreau1559 incredibly stupid, but correct, unfortunately
Just bad politics/Wada searching for headlines, clearly and sadly
Where did you get that from? A lot of tennis fans feel he cheated. And the not reporting it is was shady. How do you know Paul? You don’t. We have read Andre’s book. So don’t tell us about what the tennis establishment won’t do! Agassi was a high integrity player also.
“Feel he cheated “ yet both ITIA and WADA confirm it was contamination. If you don’t believe in the judicial system you have a different problem
Just a simple question: How could the scientists have performed their analysis without knowing the identity of people involved (as required by the procedures) if the case was made public? And FYI no organization in charge to evaluate this event suggest sinner cheated. Wada is not questioning Sinner's story, they think that he is still responsible for the physio actions. The Lausanne CAS will rule on this.
Wow really, Sinner is surprised he may have to face consequences for his and his teams actions, on a very serious issue??! Rules are rules, glad WADA are appealing.
WADA is just looking for an image of credibility to please public opinion, especially after the criticism received for the case of the Chinese swimmers, essentially to demonstrate that there is no preferential treatment for anyone, as more than a few "important voices" in tennis had complained, not realizing that by doing so they are making everyone unhappy, obviously those who believe in innocence, but also those who believe in guilt who, given the non-request to revoke all the trophies won after the positive test, will continue to talk about preferential treatment (well, on the one hand they will be unhappy and on the other happy because they will be able to continue to protest and attack Sinner).
However, it is already clear that they have not been able to find any evidence to undermine the essential points of the defense, I believe that they will only play on his "objective responsibility" or some other quibble regarding his hypothetical negligence in not having controlled the behavior of people who depended on him (the only unclear points are when and how Naldi applied his self the spray)
In any case, the reference to not revoking the trophies won is ridiculous because, since they want to refute the absence of negligence, if they succeeded then they should be revoked, in addition to the fact that it would be something that the TAS decides and certainly not the person filing the appeal.
How a media favor Sinner! Wasn't favouring towards Halep! 2 years Ban is accurate for him!
I see the glass half full. He will prove his innocence for the fourth time. 3 out of 3 Wada experts from the independent body ITIA have already unanimously agreed with him. The CAS works like this: the board that decides is made up of 3 arbitrators (one appointed by the CAS, one by Wada, one by Sinner) and it is enough that 2 out of 3 agree with you, considering that one will be appointed by Jannik, we are talking about convincing the one appointed by the CAS, and possibly the one appointed by Wada, I don't think the one appointed by himself is up for discussion. Ergo, but where would the problem be? He must demonstrate his non-negligence, which is what 3 out of 3 experts have already said, so I really see zero problem. And then there is the Palomino precedent that sets a precedent: same substance, 10x times greater amount for Palomino, involuntary hiring in both cases: player acquitted by the CAS, zero suspension. It is the same thing that will happen to Jannik. No referee can go against the opinion of a doping expert like the 3 who have already said there is no negligence. The trial is a pro forma made by Wada to show that they are hard and pure, nothing more.
Finally someone who knows how to argue intelligently and above all knows how the processes go. But the ignorant and stupid haters will continue to write and throw mud like the frustrated idiot Krygios and like that old American idiot with the microphone in his hand super fan of Alcaraz. But of one thing I am sure Sinner will come out of this stronger than before.
No advantage? Shut up
Jannik sinner he's a cheater he needs to held accountable for his actions
.0000000001 OF A GRAM WOULDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING FOR YOU! YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THAT STUPID!
He was found not negligent. You're just a biased hater.
@@billiey36 u right I hate jannik for bin a cheater
@@MarkMoran-rs1rm You're a hater because you're biased and uninformed. You don't want to be informed because that would ruin your fantasy.
@@billiey36 he needs to pay the prize it's not fair that Simona halep got punished her and he's not eventually it will happen and shut up u mug mucker
If it’s .00001 positive , that seems like NO suspicious or nefarious activity . 🤷🏽♂️
Nike used to test the amounts of dope a player can take in order to not be detected on tests but still have some effect. How do you know this is not the case? Nike sponsors him...just saying, there are shady stuff going on here
Sinner fan😂
Let this men dope like all top athletes
Dope comment
Dude. For sure 100% he dopes. All these fan boys on his dick making all the excuses for him and his team's story . 😅
@@MA-rq6ie 😂👍🏼
@@ObftoFuvto WADA basicly acknowledged he did NOT dope. The issue is now if he still should be responsible for being contaminated by the hands of his physio, who had used the substance on itself. It just shows how strict wada wants to be in this high profile case
@@alessandrovalente7645 😴
To avoid any confusion and controversy in the future, why don't they impose an automatic ban for any player found positive for 6 months regardless of whether they are innocent or not? If within that 6 months they are unable to satisfactorily account for the positive result, then the ban will be extended to 2 years. This will ensure that cases like Sinner's or Halep's won't be mired in controversy in future because everyone will be treated equally.
So you want innocent players to be banned just for the sake of 'no controversy??' That's really the dumbest thing I've read this entire week.
@@TheFlowMind not for 6 months though.
@@miroslavjanecek9993 no,that would ensure fairness because an unknown British player Tara Moore tested positive for nandrolone metabolites and boldenone in 2022 after inadvertently consuming contaminated meat but she was sidelined for 19 months before finally a panel ruled that contaminated meat was the source of the substances. What makes this situation even more intolerable is that players like Moore cannot really afford to miss 19 months off the tour and the loss of earnings due to their low rankings unlike Sinner. Looks like it's one rule for the top players and another for the rest under current regulations! And Sinner was tested positive TWICE! Was he not informed of his first positive test? No wonder WADA is appealing.🤣
@@eyeofthetiger6002 you literally say that it's fair when innocent player is banned. 😂😂😂
It makes zero sense.
@@eyeofthetiger6002 there is a precedent for Sinner's case. Look into the case of tennis player Bortolotti.
Wada just wasting their time. Lawyers will handle everything.
Wada must be shut for good.
Just sit out for a year
Sinner should have reported his contamination UP FRONT! This is the problem. He hid it to keep playing.
@@lylethaparker9453 he couldn't have by the present rules. Do your research
Wada's incorrect behavior is demonstrated by the fact that never before had this anti-doping body appealed to the CAS for a ruling issued by an independent tribunal such as the ITIA. This reveals its mania for protagonism or alternatively even worse hypotheses that I do not even want to mention.
I don't know how this is going to end because more than once in past we've seen very arguable decisions.
I believe in Sinner's innocence but I'm afraid of WADA's idiocy.
There's a battle between powers going on here and I hope that Sinner doesn't end paying the price for it.
I only wish the best for Sinner....
Those wada guys could have e approached him to join their stupid cult to stand down on the doping case. Perhaps he refused and the case is uprise again.
It’s persecution.
Witch hunt.
Glad to see WADA's action as a fair play! Everyone must be treated fairly and equally.
They have to take all his trophies from him and the money too. And banned him for 6 years for 2 fail tests. The same should apply to Andre Agassi.
WADA are not seeking the removal of any titles.
And you forgot death penalty😂😂😂 what a m.o.ron you are😂
@joannemoore3976 but they have to,otherwise tennis will become a joke full of drugs cheat
@@mafiooato7233 the problem I'd that the process WAS followed, actually to the letter but many players and pundits don't seem to understand the processes. Of course all due diligence has to be followed, no one is saying it shouldn't. Without knowing what WADA is challenging about the original judgment we just have to wait and see. What I am objecting to is these knee jerk 'he should be banned no matter what' reactions.
@@mafiooato7233 I see the glass half full. He will prove his innocence for the fourth time. 3 out of 3 Wada experts from the independent body ITIA have already unanimously agreed with him. The CAS works like this: the board that decides is made up of 3 arbitrators (one appointed by the CAS, one by Wada, one by Sinner) and it is enough that 2 out of 3 agree with you, considering that one will be appointed by Jannik, we are talking about convincing the one appointed by the CAS, and possibly the one appointed by Wada, I don't think the one appointed by himself is up for discussion. Ergo, but where would the problem be? He must demonstrate his non-negligence, which is what 3 out of 3 experts have already said, so I really see zero problem. And then there is the Palomino precedent that sets a precedent: same substance, 10x times greater amount for Palomino, involuntary hiring in both cases: player acquitted by the CAS, zero suspension. It is the same thing that will happen to Jannik. No referee can go against the opinion of a doping expert like the 3 who have already said there is no negligence. The trial is a pro forma made by Wada to show that they are hard and pure, nothing more.