IS IT FINALLY NOTRE DAME? IS FLORIDA STATE OUT? / The Big Ten LIVE Show 67
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Florida State and Notre Dame to the Big Ten
Big12
@@equalizer1946 FSU would completely dominate the Big 12
@@leewilliams6354 NOPE...look at what happened last time they played Houston..
I think up to 24 teams would still work for the Big Ten guys. I have no idea if it will get to that. I think pairing Notre Dame with Stanford makes sense for all the logical right reasons. I know the idea of having some teams in Florida/southeast is tantalizing due to population and tv markets and recruiting. But, which out of Florida or the Carolinas is anyone’s best guess. I’m a bit burned out on the guessing game over it to be honest with you Mark and listeners.
I think the only elite teams at the moment really are Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State.
Maybe Michigan considering last 3 years.
Why didn’t the ACC insiste that ND continue to play 5 games against ACC and Stanford be a 6th ACC game?
My guess...Noter Dame and Miami next to the B1G!
Notre Dame will join the Big 10 if their rivalry games with schools in the Big 10 refuse to schedule them.
ND ice hockey is in the Big 10.
Is UCLA basketball the ultimate blue blood that can’t be removed from the blue blood category because they had such a dominant run?
Notre Dame has been trying for the last seventy years to get into the Big 10 and they repeatedly been rejected by the conference. Could it be that Notre Dame is now just so irritated with the Big 10 that the conference no longer has a chance to pick up the Fighting Irish? Culture is likely going to prevail over revenues in the coming years. Have you ever felt like you did not belong within a group even though the pay was great? Why would anyone put themselves in such a situation long-term?
Notre Dame hasn’t been trying to get into the B1G for the last 70 years. It would have happened before Penn State got in. The B1G has a door open for them.
I find what’s happening at Rutgers with the recruiting year they are having pretty interesting.
Let’s wait for the final rankings and then even back to back years. Interesting yes.
First and foremost the fact Notre Dame has their own TV deal with NBC, money will never be a bargaining chip. They will have to be forced to join a conference, which I believe will happen. But, which conference will be solely their choice - until the one Super Conference is created...
I don't know why everyone in the comments section is trying to pair Notre Dame with Stanford. The Irish have more of a history and rivalry with USC and Michigan - for traditional reasons. BIG makes most sense for ND, due to the fact Michigan taught ND how to play the game. It was only until ND beat UM (on the 9th try) that UM's coach, Fielding Yost effectively blackballed ND from ever joining the Western Conference (what became the Big 10), to where ND was forced to find opponents outside the area, which led to possibly the greatest intersectional rivalry in college football, with USC.
Hell, even Navy has a more solid claim to be paired with ND than Stanford, simply for the fact of them bailing out Notre Dame during World War II.
So please don't just pigeon-hole Notre Dame with Stanford.
Bottom line, I don't know what Notre Dame will do, but I will always embrace and support Notre Dame's right to independence, being a traditionalist. But I know, realistically, ND will be forced to join a conference. Ultimately the ACC makes the most sense, so they don't have to uproot all their other sports (since they are a national powerhouse in Lacrosse - 2023 and 2024 National Champions, fyi) but the BIG makes the most sense, for the higher level of competition. I would rather they play a stronger schedule than get a (potential) walk to the ACC Championship. And in order to renew the UM rivalry, and keep the rivalry with USC (now that Lincoln Riley is threatening to discontinue the rivalry). But, as long as we can schedule both UM and USC my gut says ANY conference but the BIG - for tradition-sake. 'You didn't want us then, you don't get us now! Screw you, Fielding Yost' 🤣🤣🤣
☘Go Irish☘
Texas Tech has a top 10 helmet!
I like that pick.
I think what will make ND finally join a conference is them eventually having difficulty scheduling a formidable schedule to be able to make the NCAA football playoffs. Conference teams are now having more conference games and will not want to schedule ND out of conference.
The issue is that people, to include yourself, can’t comprehend that ND has more money than any institution on the planet.
Your source?
@@MarkRogersVOCFB The Catholic Church
50 year old, Notre Dame fan for 40 years. I've always Loved Notre Dame's Independence. Never wanted or thought we needed to join a Conference. This year gives us every reason not too. Go 12-0, get that #5 spot, then play #12. Beat them, then play #4 Acc or Big 12 Champ. It's a nice road. But it won't last. I think it's finally time to join a conference. And I've always thought, that the Big 10, is the best fit. So let's join for the 2025 year ans move forward. Go Irish.
Notredame will never join the big ten they tried once and michigan kept us from join in the rockny years. I'm 24 and I think it's best to stay independent and decided the future of the team and not let conference dictate it and charge the fan base money to watch them. they will lose a huge fan base like the cubs did with pay to watch. INDEPENDENT FOR LIFE. GO IRISH
One thing that could happen is Notre Dame not getting big name teams on thier schedule anymore because of conferences having 9 game conference schedules. That might cause teams to only want cupcakes for the non conference games. @@notredameallday3434
So "Moose" has rated Missouri's FB program as better than ND's. That's not bias is it?
Moose is the most bias person in the community. He says every recruit will go to michigan. Michigan is the best at everything and to boot gives no credit to his rivals.
@@cory2023 I wouldn't mind if he said Missouri's FB program right now is on a par with ND's, but when he listed his Top 3 "Tiers" of CFB, he included Mizzou with no mention of ND -- at all. That's what galled me.
The guy who said Oregon was a blue blood was a good laugh. I agree, I don’t like blood line discussions in general. It can get weird. Like elitist, secret society, occultist, New World Order, kind of nonsense. But, to many people, they really care about that stuff.
If he loses to an Oregon and Michigan they’ll be many screaming for it (Ryan Day’s future). But, I’m really hoping they beat Oregon and will probably be favored over Michigan.
ND isn’t special to anyone besides TV executives.
ND is in the BIG TEN in hockey so technically they are in a conference.
Well they are in the ACC except for football and hockey so that means they're in 2 conferences
Minnesota defiantly a blue blood with 7 titles
Let's look at something..endowments:
Alabama 1.2 billion
Georgia. 1.9 billion
Ohio st. 7.8 billion
Michigan. 17 billion
Notre Dame 18.9 billion
Now the kicker, Princeton 37.5 billion
Yale 40 billion
Harvard 50 billion
What we see is who has the finances..Notre Dame can hold out as an indie for a Long time if wanted..
Michigan is in Great shape
and look at the Ivy here..if Harvard, Yale or Princeton wanted they could be powerhouse D1 programs as money is no issue..they could give basically Every top 300 player great NIL deals and leave the SEC, Big 10 the scraps.. but to them it's still a sport, not to be taken too seriously and to every other football fan it's quite a but more important and to some a way of life..
In saying that I don't know why Michigan doesn't do better NIL deals as they could..
FYI Stanford 36.6 billion..
A true independent has 100% control over its schedule, which is not the case for ND. Semi- or partially-independent is a better description.
For Notre Dame, CFP is becoming more important than independence because of the changes and expansion of the CFP from 4 to 12. Do you really think Notre Dame is going to remain independent with little chance of making a championship run?
Texas and Nebraska are not blue bloods. The original blue bloods are the teams with the most national titles and oldest traditions. They are the originals. Yale, Princeton, Harvard, Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, Oklahoma and Minnesota. Nobody mentions Minnesota because they have dropped off but they have almost the same amount of national titles as Oklahoma. Teams like Texas, Nebraska, Penn State are all mentioned because they have some of the highest winning percentages of all time although they don't have the most titles. If we are talking about the blue bloods being the OG's and the schools with the longest history and most national titles, then the list above has to be considered. The three Ivy league schools have to be included because they have the oldest college football traditions in this country and the most titles. If we are talking about relevant programs only, then you have to include Georgia, Clemson, FSU. You have to take out USC (2004) , Nebraska (1997), Texas (2005), Penn State (1987), Notre Dame (1988). They have not won a title in a very long time. To be relevant, you need to have won a title or two in the last 10-15 years. Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, USC would all fall off the blue blood list if you are considering relevancy. If you are not considering current relevancy but just tradition and total national titles, you can't take those teams off.
All joining a conference will do is make the fan base have to pay to watch them its not going to help notredame with getting to the play off when its expandes now. let the conference fans target notredame we get to watch for free and get to decide are games there just jealous there team isn't in that position.😂
Well, I get it regards to Notre Dame, people look at the history and also say well how important is that 30+ million a year to them. But, 30-40 million a year over 25 years is like a billion dollars. I can’t see any school turning almost a billion dollars down over twenty five years.
That’s like 5% of their current endowment
@@jacobmears3549 Maybe so, still doesn’t change it’s almost a billion dollars over 25 years.
ND isn't special... and never will be!
if that's the case why u talking about them still lol just a troll
Notre Dame and Duke are both special to Catholics.
Canes joined the AAU last year; I don't know if they did it for the sole reason of joining the B10, but why else would they join
How is it that the Huskers are in the B10 but they aren't a member of the AAU.
Nebraska was in the AAU when they joined the B1G. They lost their accreditation after they had already joined.
They were an AAU member when the joinded B1G but were removed in 2011 when they didn't meet certain criteria,mainly Federal Reserch Funding requiements and wre removed when 44 out of 63 AAU members voted them out.
They are presently working to meet AAU criteria to having it restored.
They were removed because of low research $$ but were when they joined as others have stated. However all that's overlooked for the South Bend school who has done very little research, especially of note, and no medical school. Notre Dame being AAU is a joke. Good school for what they do, but they ARE NOT a research university. I believe ND owes somebody or paid somebody off; a quid pro quo. Either way it's not on the up and up and the mouth breathers are so wrapped up in football that a real scandal that actually matters is completely ignored.
@@johnvaccaro7022Nebraska lied on their application about having a medical school was the problem. The medical school is a separate entity with its own president and administration. The state is now trying to join them together to qualify for readmission. But they now face a big hurdle in having horrible academics. By far the worst in the conference.
Realignment is happening because WE (the customer) are sick and tired of crap games week in, week out. I would love B1G to expand to 24 and go to either 10 or 11 conference games. I’d take OSU v Stanford everyday instead of OSU v Akron (and so would every other CFB fan).
With respect to the Big 10, non-AAU accredited FSU wasn't a serious consideration.
Casual take.
I disagree Florida State with a little research funding is there. They are basically there now just technicallys. Florida State university is probably the best thing in Florida.
Special? I think maybe you and Notre Dame fans think they are special lol. I can promise you special Notre Dame was over after the 80s and they have been more like a joke. If you want to say they are special like especially over rated than ok but they have been basic for so long that I don't even think they can get to over rated anymore lol. They are special at disappointing their fan base! So ok yeah I'll change my mind they are indeed " special"
Mark was right in his def & selections. School whose coach still has the highest win percentage all-time. School with highest win percentage. School with the most College & NFL Hall of Famers. School with most All-Americans. #1 in seasons with #1 rank in the AP Poll, all-time. #5 in most wins in the last decade or 2020s. #2 in nattys all-time. #2 in Heismans. #2 in coaches with the most nattys. 3rd largest endowment of major football programs, and thus able to remain independent. Most games in most venues in the most states (or countries) all-time. Plays in a new venue, brakes the state record for attendance. That’s ND. Just about any school would trade with ND, except perhaps Alabama, but then they’d also marry their cousin if it was legal. So crawl back to your Happy Valley home & crawl under your rock.
@@glcanonall I know is ND hates playing Nebraska. 😅
What do you mean "80s" -- for one thing the 1993 team beat #1 and finished #2. Know your history before you diss, joker.
@@A100-ND lol G you got me there guy! Hey everyone ND had a good season in 93. They didn't win anything special like a championship but the played really hard and have a fantastic runner up article in the news paper
Notre Dame is special because it has a national brand and audience. Notre Dame will discover that not being in a conference with the current format will be a disadvantage.
Any conference should be willing to pay Notre Dame more because they are a national TV market draw. If they were in your conference, Their national TV audience would be more likely to watch your conference games because they would affect Notre Dame’s playoff implications. For instance, let’s say North Carolina State and North Carolina are playing at the end of the year and they have a normal TV audience of around 2 1/2 million. If this game affected Notre Dame‘s playoff/conference championship aspirations, this game would have a viewership of 4 million viewers. This affect would carry through many teams and games during the season. Thus, providing more than enough reason for negotiations with the current TV deal.
lol Mark has such ND derangement syndrome that he’s supporting the destruction of CFB just to get ND in a conference
How unserious
Just for recruiting purposes these would be good moves for the Big Ten. Doesn’t mean I think these moves would be good overall but to get into these markets would be a win recruiting wise. I am looking at a 24 team big ten.
1. FSU Or Miami
2. Georgia Tech
3.Virginia Tech
4.Texas A&M or SMU
5.North Carolina
6.Notre Dame
*Notre Dame doesn’t bring any recruiting turf but does bring every other metric. TV, Attendance and cache’.
** FSU and/or Miami brings the huge Florida recruiting bases.
*** Georgia Tech is a poor fit for every other metric EXCEPT the Georgia recruit pool and the TV market.
**** Virginia Tech for the same reason as Georgia.
***** Texas A&M is a reach but does get the Big Ten into the Texas recruiting pool. Same with SMU which would be an easier get for B10.
******North Carolina brings not only the Carolina market with its spring football and a great 7x7 scene. Same for all the southern schools mentioned.
Again just to expand the Big Ten recruiting foot print. In reality what I think will happen is
1-Notre dame (within the next ten yrs)
2-FSU or Miami (whichever team goes to the big ten the other goes to the SEC)
The rest is anyone’s guess.
Noter Dame will be in the B1G within the next few years... follow the $$$
Rutgers' recruiting is killing it in
Fl. Ga.& N.C.
ND is like the Masters/Augusta National. They know that they are a bigger fish, do what they want to do, because being independent or acting independent (Masters having low concessions prices) adds to the attention and mystique they receive. We eat it up and look forward to it. If ND joined the B1G we would start asking how long until they return to independence.
The only tradition at nd, in my opinion, is it run by a bunch of old men who do not want to see any change ..... they would be an also ran in the sec and their relevance would be diminished greatly just like the so called blue blood minnesota program. They would fare better in the big ten, but the old men in charge of nd do not like big ten. Bad blood, probably lost money in a poker game with a big ten member, joking, but just saying.
F the sec
Rutgers and Northeastern should be kicked out of the B10 imo
Just rutgers
Fine, and we'll take our NY media market with us that just helped B1G securebl it's new $80-100 million media market contract....oh... BTW...YAFI! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Mike-sp7zvsurprised you could spell just Rutgers!
🤣🤣🤣
@@johnvaccaro7022 why's that? You don't know anything about me.
@@johnvaccaro7022 what is, "YAF?"