Must see: Warwick, Viktor 2.0, Ziggs, Blitzcrank, Oriana Maybe see: Camille, Darius, Swain, Twitch, Seraphine, Janna Probably more I can't think of off the top of my head. I'm going to have to make a comprehensive list.
Maybe this type of question should have been worded differently ... perhaps frame the question to 'show' characters only. Otherwise we'll be getting semi-spoilers/info we shouldn't have from game people. As for who I'd like to see more of ... hmm... assuming we mean underutilized characters -- I'll go with the mage fellow that saved Jayce and his mom in episode 2.
Hmm I had to rethink this to be non spoiler-y. Pretty interested to see Sevika and more of characters from Noxus only hinted at. Also keeping an eye on Singed. I have a hunch.
Viktor's childhood mentor is Singed, though he's never audibly named in the show. He was the shimmer doctor that did the cat/rat experiment working with Silco in the first episode. He also gets caught in Jinx's explosion in episode 3.
Heimerdinger represents the status quo in the council. It is important to note that, under his watch, the disparity between Piltover and Zaun grew ever larger. ( to the powder keg tension seen in this first season.)
The song that featured in this episode was originally more of an action song rather than the somber melody it ended up being, and the guy that performed it was originally not even slated to it. You can see more about this in the Bridging the Rift docu-series in the League of Legends TH-cam channel.
@31:56 Yes!! You get it! Animation doesn't mean 'just for kids' or 'not as good as live action'. Animation is an incredible storytelling medium and Arcane is a great showcase of it
Heimerdinger is the most fascinating Character study in this whole show for me. We want him to be the Mentor Archetype, the perfect wise old master that teaches the youngling how to fly, the ObiWan or Gandalf. But he isn't. Heimerdinger is very imperfect and that makes it so hard to know whats right when it comes to him. His misgivings of Hextech are very clearly founded and he isn't wrong - but neither is Jayce. When he confronts Heimerdinger, he asks him what his plan for fixing the situation is. And that might seem unfair at first, there is a whole council why should it be Heimerdingers responsibility alone... until you realize that Heimerdinger predates the Council . He predates Piltover. This means that while everyone else on the copuncil was born into a divided City with huge Problems Heimerdinger was there as they developed He founded Piltover. And I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that it wasn't originally planned as a two class system that ripped the city apart in the middle. That to me feels like something that developed in the course of the Cities 200 years of History, which means, Heimerdinger maybe could have stoped it while it was developing. Sadly we don't have an exact backstory, but whatever happened, either Heimerdinger didn't notice until it was too late, which makes him ignorant and irresponsible; noticed and did nothing, which makes him neglectful or noticed it and tried something that didn't work and then gave up, which makes him inneficient and impotent. Anyway you slice it, he doesn't come out smelling like roses. So while Jayce' actions are drastic, they're also not unfounded.
I mean as stated in the show, piltover was created with the goal to be the city of progress, science is their religion by design. With that in mind it's no surprise that the decision in that city tend to favor academics over the working class. And without interfering the distance grows larger. What makes Heimerdinger special is that his flaws come from writing an Immortal character (yordels can't die) excellent. He has seen the rune wars that's why he's afraid of magic, but more often he saw everyone close to him die and he knows he will lose everyone he meets. His neglect for the bad things around him (corruption and poverty) seams to be a logical cooping mechanisem. To stay sane he has to focus on the good things while they last. From his prospective everything people or city's are something he will always have to watch slowly rot and die. That's something he has accepted.
many hate marcus or dont care about him, but the scene with silco and his daughter show very well why marcus has to do whatever he does. if he ever tries to go after silco or just doesnt what silco wants him to do, his daughter will be in severe danger. it is also one of my fav silco moments, because it shows extremly well how much power and control he has over other people. he doesnt need brute force or strengh. only some words are enough
16:26 Heimerdinger led the council from the very beginning. Under his rule, a rebellion was suppressed during which V and Powder's mother was killed. He is completely blind to the police brutality and poverty in Zaun. I understand that he is cute, but if he looked like Silco, everyone would immediately treat him as at least incompetent or even as bad guy
Something I didn't notice until watching the reaction video here -- there is a juxtaposition of scenes where Mel states 'We can't change what fate has in store for us - but we don't have to face it alone." Then it cuts to poor Viktor, all alone, looking like death warmed over, staring at the hexcore. I couldn't help but think of the saying "we all die alone." I'm probably reading too much into it, but I just found the cut there interesting.
Thank you for your genuine reaction(s) to Arcane. I love watching others react to this show. Seeing what affects them, and the things that end up being the focus of their attention is fascinating.
I think the line "She's a Kiramman. Just like them she does whatever she wants." expresses Marcus's envy of Caitlin's freedom. I'm sure he would give anything (except for his daughter of course) to be unchained from Silco. I also like that it gives the Kiramman parents some characteristics.
I read that some people theorize that 'Chuck' is the grown version of the boy who chased Powder in the first episode that power tried to blow up with a pink poof of powder from Mouser. Hence, the pink poof from her sticky bomb. :D
"She's held on to that the whole time?" - yeah ... but there's more. Notice Jinx has blue cloud tattoos over one side of her entire body. She's been calling out to Vi all those years. But only half of her .... Now, Jinx's design precedes this show, but this really shows how well the show's creators made use of what they had to work with, to put such deep meaning into something like that ... and then not really draw attention to it, but let the viewers discover it for themselves. 'Kiss your perfect day goodbye' indeed.
@@whitenoiseanimereacts yeah! I especially enjoyed the analysis at the end. I’m interested in listening to those political commentaries Stella detected in the text. And, ofc, the emotional moments as well. I’m happy to hear people’s analyses, personal opinions, and reactions because it makes the story so much deeper and rich for me 😁
Silco got a big problem. His original plan was: Manufacture a ton of shimmer, give the undercity the weapons to fight and then terrify the topsider into accepting Zaun's independence. That didn't require the destruction of as many lives. Sure the frontline fighters taking Shimmer like Deckard would probably die quickly, but Silco didn't even need to lie about that, there was enough resentment on their side as well as enough people who were already terminally ill from the poisonous air and had nothing to lose. The issue was twofold though: Powder destroyed his shimmer stock as well as severely injured his chief scientist. It probably set them back months if not a year or more. And the topsiders discovered Hextech. They became richer, more powerful, they had the ability to both pay for and summon reinforcement incredibly quickly and that's without considering Hextech's application as a weapon. Even as a pure teleportation device like it was originally, it could still be used to win a war and considering its volatility it could be turned into an incredibly destructive weapon easily too. When Silco managed to rebuild what he lost to Powder, the topsiders had taken such an advantage that an army of shimmer monsters wouldn't be enough to scare them anymore. So he had to accumulate as much power as possible and in the undercity, the only way to do that is by building a crime empire. I'm not trying to excuse him, mind you, just explaining why he came to do that despite his claims of loving the undercity. He's not lying about it, he's just putting Zaun's independence and future as a higher priority than the current inhabitant's health and safety which if you see it as a pure pragmatic calculation make complete sense. Sacrificing part of a generation to save all the next ones? It's completely rational. To Silco the only choices were: 1) Preserve the status quo and do nothing (unimaginable) and therefore condemn not only this generation, but all the subsequent ones to this horrible life, 2) attack despite the power difference and probably result in the annihilation of most of the undercity and the subjugation of the rest in a form that's even worse than it was before (because the topsiders would be sure to tighten the noose after such a war) or 3) start a criminal empire strong enough to give them a military chance. From his perspective, it's a very easy choice to make.
Silco knows 2 things about Vi... She's an impressive fighter and she abandoned Jinx. Everyone thought she was dead because that's what Marcus told him. Silco knows that the memory of Vi haunts Jinx, so when he suddenly finds out that Vi is alive he goes to question Marcus (and threaten him). Silco also doesn't want Vi and Jinx to meet back up for a couple reasons. One reason is selfish... he doesn't want to lose Jinx. The other reason is because he thinks that the return of Vi will hurt Jinx. Protecting Jinx is so important to Silco that he goes down into the depths of the undercity to stop her himself and when that fails we see him lose his cool... for the first time. He stomps his underlings in a rage. Sevika thinks it will hurt Jinx too, but that's what she wants because Jinx is a distraction for Silco... she distracts him from their goal to achieve independence for the undercity.
The thing I like most about Marcus is how he shows that just a little self-righteous hypocrisy can trap and ruin your life, if the wrong person gets their hooks in you. It is important to stand on principle, and it is important to empathize and seek to understand others, even when they're seen as enemies.
I don't understand how some reactors miss the dude in Viktor's flashback is the Doctor who made Shimmer, right off the bat. But happy that you recognized Huck from the Bar in the first episode. Silco dropping in on Marcus was scary AF. Marcus actually kinda played Jayce into doing what Silco wants with the checkpoints at the bridge. People don't live in the house that Vi and Caitlyn were in. It was either where Powder and Vi's with their parents or where they hung out. IT's been long abandoned as by the state it's in. The way you tilt your head before Jiinx lights the flare is very reminiscent of a shot later in the series.Very good expressions too. This episode is epic. Really every episode is great. Your feeling right now are very much what lots of people feel, but it goes so deep. I really like this series of episode beginnings with some flashback that gives a little more insight to the characters. First Caitlyn then Viktor and the Doctor, and next up Mel, who actually is one of my favorite characters in the show. The bad guys in this show are very gray. You can understand why they're doign what they're doing and feel some sort of empathy for it, but can disagree the way they go about it.
You could pause the video before giving out thoughts on what's happening and could put up a countdown timer for the incoming pause and resume on your videos for Patreon. So, that way you won't miss anything happening in the show. Especially, Arcane. There are so many details and levels in this show you could only notice, if you watch keenly.
Arcane fan comment…. I highly recommend you watch the Arcane Enemy music video first, before watching episode 7. It will enhance the experience. I’m sure many other Arcane fans here will agree with me too 🙏😅😇
I don't think you're entirely correct in your assessment of Silco's situation. He's not fighting to save, protect and uplift everyone living there now. They were already dying of their environment and deprivation; poisoned and starving just because of where they live. Silco is fighting to make sure that it doesn't have to be that way for everyone in Zaun, forever. So, he has to build a power base. You do that by amassing some manner of wealth and power. The problem is, Zaun doesn't HAVE anything you can do that with... at least nothing that Piltover can't just cut off or take away... except two. Shimmer is produced by locally sourced resources that, apparently, can't easily be gained elsewhere. So that's something Piltover can't just take away on a whim. The other thing, like it or not, is the people. If you intend to win against something as crushing as Piltover's oppression, you need to make use of them. This parallels every revolution that ever happened in the world, except possibly, to some extent, Mahatma Ghandi's revolution against the colony power of the British Empire... but even then, he had the weapon of budding mass media, which seems to be largely absent in Piltover... there is, by and large, no such creature as a "nice revolutionary". Revolutionaries that are nice are called "rebels". And the difference between rebels and revolutionaries is that revolutionaries won. Rebels lost. Revolt against a militarily stronger force will always be harsh on the population, no matter their alignment in that struggle. However, it seems pretty clear that the alternative is everyone starving and being poisoned forever while being completely ignored, except when the storm troopers are sent in to break skulls because someone in Piltover has been moderately inconvenienced by a Zaunite... at a point, paying any price for a chance at freedom and independence becomes the lesser evil.
Agreed. I sometimes get frustrated with reactors about this, and then I remember that most are young, and more probably don't know much history. It's understandable even if it's wrong.
Again, another nice analysis. Curious on your opinion if you think Silco could have done anything differently ... spared some of his people but still achieve his goals? Could shimmer have been used selectively ... as a bioweapon ... as a medicine... while not addicting as many of his own people? I expect a decent percentage of income was derived from exports, as we saw with the airship cargo in ep 4. So as far as building wealth, it wasn't an absolute requirement to rely on Zaun's citizens. Which might not be so great for citizens of wherever the shimmer is being imported too, but that's not so much Silco's problem. And the argument against this is.... would it have been enough of a threat to keep enforcers out of the undercity? If only used selectively (shimmer guards), that might not really be nearly as effective nor as big a deterrent. There is also the question if shimmer could even be controlled that way in the first place. We can look at drugs in the real world -- they tend to get out there. Some of that depends on how shimmer is made exactly ... safe-guarded secret, i.e. Greek Fire, or do the chem-barons make their own... or at least know how to make it? If not limited to just Silco and the doctor, there is no way to restrict its creation/distribution, even if Silco was so inclined. So... I'll guess the answer is no, or at least not without some difficulty. Most likely he'd then just be a 'rebel'. But just curious what you think.
@@Mi_Z Right... hrm. All the spoilers. I REPEAT: ALL THE SPOILERS! You've been warned now. My MAIN feeling on Silco is that he SHOULD NOT do anything differently, because I cannot conceive of any choices he could have taken that would have improved the STORY. The ruthless revolutionary dies to birth the desperately devoted father, who in turn gives his last breath to comfort his daughter. It's beautiful and a triumph of tragedy storytelling, and I think it's roughly perfect. However, if we were to assume that we don't care about the quality of the story, and instead want his ambition of freedom to succeed? There's a few actions I'd do differently. Ignoring "future knowledge" stuff, when Sevika comes to me after walking out on Vander's community meeting in disgust, I'd start strengthening the impression that's already going around that he's grown soft and spineless. I'd still give Marcus the information regarding the burglary. I'd have let the Enforcers take Vander in, then started undermining his support and working against Benzo, who very much seems less capable of keeping the lanes unified. Thus, the confrontation with Vi, Powder and the kids doesn't happen. I do not adopt a daughter. Everything has now changed from the show. I'm less... content and happy, probably, but I throw myself into the cause. I secure my power base in the undercity. Ekko likely doesn't become the resistance icon he did, because I don't murder Benzo, I don't kidnap Vander. I gradually push Benzo aside, working to undermine whatever policies he sets and actions he takes without coming out against him directly. I may try to co-opt his position by becoming the "saviour/angel investor" trying to get his movement back on track, then if I can't maneuver Piltover and the Enforcers into arresting or killing him, I have him killed and disappeared myself, framing the Enforcers. I take my time and am careful about it. It shouldn't take more than three months to a year - it's better if he fails quickly after Vander is imprisoned. I may try to have Vander killed in prison, if I think I can get the reach, but odds are I can't, so I'll have to ignore that. I'll also have had more time to build up, and no explosion ruining my operations and setting me back. I reach out to secure trade in whatever I can, even smuggling, attempting to secure weapons, resources, and potential allies abroad, giving favorable conditions, building a separate avenue through which to pressure Piltover. I try to refrain from using these contacts much, but try to influence them into viewing the Enforcers, and Grayson in particular, as disruptive, overreaching reactionaries, without suggesting they do anything about it for now. Through blackmail, bribery and whatever else, I try to expand my information gathering inside council circles. Learning about hextech should be trivial, given the extreme lack of operational security in Piltover, so that information won't take long, especially given the lessened paranoia and scrutiny after the "culprit" was apprehended. I obviously have to try to get rid of Grayson, likely by bringing to light her "arrangement" with Vander, discrediting her and limiting her ability to act. When I deem the time is right - likely three to four years after Vander's imprisonment - I start kicking off incidents between Piltover and Zaun, attempting to bait retaliatory action by Piltover, getting them to send in a large force of Enforcers to harass and threaten Zaun. I make a public showing, "more in sorrow than in anger" proposing the need to fight back, and given their greater strength and power, I unveil my great reserves of shimmer, which is made available to anyone wanting to fight Enforcers, turning their retaliatory strike into a battle of attrition, doing my level best to publicize any unfavorable incidents (dead kids, massacres, harassment of innocents, widespread destruction), trying to build a sentiment in Piltover against "staying in Zaun" when they "clearly don't want us there" and "our Enforcers are behaving like barbarians" and "the cost in lives and resources is unconscionable". If said movement manages to ever move the council, I once again, more in sorrow than anger, declare independence from Piltover and demand the Enforcers withdraw their genocidal stormtroopers from our territories so we can secure, rebuild, and bury our dead, trying simultaneously to get as many of the trade partners I cultivated earlier as possible to recognize my interim rule as legitimate. At this point, I enact sweeping changes with a firm hand, trying to quickly solve as many problems as possible, under the guise of rooting out enemy (Piltovan) influences and cutting off their grasp. If, during this time, I need to, I use a very hard hand and expend any goodwill I have built, as little as possible, but I cannot shy away from it now. I try to enact whatever I can to ensure that Zaun reaches a stability and an equilibrium, even if I must become a monster and a tyrant to do it, though I try to avoid it. If the Chem Barons have become an influence akin to what they are in the show during this buildup, at this point I probably kill any and all that I do not believe would be better peacetime rulers than me. If I can't very securely blame Piltover in some way or another for their deaths, I take responsibility personally. I now move another project forward from the backburner: obviously I've kept track of other revolutionaries, misfits, who aren't aligned and affiliated with me but who are also undisputably in favour of Zaun and who are not fans of my interim rule. Ekko would be awesome for this, if he turned out anything like he did in the show. So him, or someone like him. Probably not Vi, as she's frankly got no core competency in the field of governance and I doubt that would change. But there's bound to be someone like that around. Ekko would be awesome because he has the semi-legitimacy of being the "heir" of Benzo/Vander. Whoever I find that shows promise, I gradually set them up as a grudging partner/co-ruler, making sure that I do all the questionable things that need doing and let them be shocked and appalled at it, and giving them as much credit as I can for anything that goes well. Then I wait for them to be seen as a more natural leader than I am, and then I withdraw, leaving the whole thing in their hand. During this step, I remain prepared to be assassinated or removed from power, and keep a close eye on it. If this happens from within, not supported by foreign powers, I either let them kill me, or flee into exile. I do my best to ensure that my handpicked successor is seen as legitimate and is not blamed for said assassination attempt, if at all possible. After all, I have set myself up to be the scapegoat, the only remaining tie to the dark, bitter past, the last one who had to go. I have now freed Zaun from Piltover, done all I can to build the stability I hope for. I have known for a good while that revolutionaries frequently don't survive their revolutions, and that revolutionaries also often make poor peace time leaders, which is why I need to get out of it so peace can eventually follow. I plan and work hard to live, but I prepare to die, and I don't do anything for my survival that would undermine the independence and stability I have attempted to build... I HAVE to be prepared to die, and I have to ensure that if I do die I will not be seen as a rallying point for opposition to my successors. Now... there's more to every step, but that's a basic outline of how I would try to play a revolution from Silco's starting point. Finally, I rest secure in the knowledge that even should I fail, someone like me will take my place until the oppression of Piltover is removed. Freedom or annihilation will come. I just hope it will be freedom, and I do all I can to bring that about. The thing is... I don't know that I'd care to watch that show. MAYBE... but it'd be really hard to make it compelling and glorious.
@@th3voice Wow, a more detailed reply than I expected. Nice. Although I think you may have missed the part where I mentioned SPARING some of his people -- I was basically asking if Silco could have been a 'nice revolutionary' and still won. Not that I don't like your response, just that I'm not so sure your possible tyrant qualifies as a nice revolutionary exactly. As for the story, I wouldn't want to see any changes. Mr. Niceguy Silco wouldn't make for a better story. I was asking more as a hypothetical ... as a lot of reactors aren't against independence, but they don't seem to want to pay the price. But there probably isn't a way around that. ---- "turning their retaliatory strike into a battle of attrition, doing my level best to publicize any unfavorable incidents (dead kids, massacres, harassment of innocents, widespread destruction)," "even if I must become a monster and a tyrant to do it," ----- Hmm... Silco might look like a saint compared to this hypothetical tyrant, who has arranged the equivalent of a Stalingrad-ish battle of attrition. Yes, it might work. Or Zaun could be wiped out during that battle. Or even if you 'won', the damage to Zaun might be so great that it's not worth it... not much of a nation left to rebuild. Even Silco didn't want a direct conflict or war. Zaun having a bit of a drug problem kind of seems quaint in comparison.
Victor's undercity mentor is the creator of shimmer. His name is Singed. He was blown up in ep 3, hence the name Singed. You were agreeing with the "search everyone who crosses the bridges" plan. It wasn't to stop the corruption. It was Marcus's way of tricking Jayce into blockading the bridges so he can stop Cait and Vi from making it back topside. Silco's plan isn't to just raise the undercity. He sees it as he needs to fight topside and he accepts the negative costs of that to achieve his long term goal of independence. Sacrifices are a hard truth that most people have trouble excepting, but ultimately are necessary for progress. So his general outlook isn't wrong. He just takes it way too far. He ignores the short term costs of hooking the population on drugs. I'm really glad you didn't just side with Jayce or Heimerdinger. So many people just side with Heimer and it frustrates the hell out of me. Glad you see that there is merits to both views and there is a middle ground. I know you love Heimer and I took the implication you sided more with him, but I gotta say I lean more towards Jayce. The costs with waiting are too high. Short term solutions can help you stem the bleeding and give you the time to make better solutions later. Letting problems fester just means the grow exponentially, often far beyond the scope of any solution you can put forth later. Also, you should watch the Enemy music video. It adds some backstory to the show. It makes one scene in ep7 hit way harder. You've implied in other comments you're already past it, but I still won't say which to avoid spoilers regardless. Also as far as game characters having plot armor. There was a point where as they released tidbits of lore, Riot eventually released lore surrounding the death of a game character at the hands of another. When they did that, they also temporarily removed him from the game. So while I think the plot armor is real... you never know.
I may be wrong, but I think Riot has stated that plot armor won't be a thing here... it's sort of its own little universe. We'll see. And yep, Silco is very much an ends justify the means sort of guy. He probably does take it to extremes, however, as you noted. Although we don't see enough to come to any full conclusions -- how were conditions before shimmer? Mortality rates? What are the socio-economic changes after shimmer... some are definitely worse off, but how many are better? We did see a 'livelier' undercity in ep 4 ... so it's not like the entire place is in ruins. The likely answer is that the general populace is worse off... a certain class is better... but the real question is was it necessary to achieve Silco's goals? **shrugs** Shimmer was needed to keep enforcers out of the undercity. So it's a choice... pick your poison -- enforcers running roughshod over people, or a drug problem. And on one hand I'd like to think limiting shimmer to simply a threat, or bioweapons, would also work ... the reality is that something like this probably isn't fully controllable. Once released, I'm not sure a limited release for just certain purposes was possible. Also not sure if a limited threat would have worked as a fear tactic either.
Love these reactions! Marcus is annoying, but I feel like he is really important to contrast with our protagonists. He started out wanting to prove himself too much (like Powder) and got Grayson killed, and knew he messed up and wanted to fix it. He was corrupt but wanted to kill Silco and be a martyr, but lacked the courage. He wanted to do what was right but always took half measures (such as saving Vi but then locking her up so he doesn’t get in trouble) and looked out for himself and his daughter first. Then we compare with a character like Vi who also made mistakes but had the guts to act
I think people miss that the real leader of the Council is Mel. She owns Jayce, and is getting everything she wants. He is her investment. She's not evil, but she clearly has her own goals she can achieve through Jayce. Hymerdinger is the only honest/selfless person on the Council. At the Opera Hymerdinger is the only one there for the performance while corruption is the focus for the other Council Members. He's lost in the music while Jayce (really Mel through Jayce) consolidates power through backroom deals. Jayce is not being selfless here. He is trying to save Victor. It's all he cares about. Similar to HexTech, Jayce believes if his goal is noble then single-minded focus on that without concern for the consequences is justified. In the end he is selfish because he only cares about his own pursuits and what he wants. It's why he's being so reckless and irresponsible, and it is why he is so easily manipulated by Mel.
I feel like people always get the wrong idea of Silco when he's stomping the dude into the ground. He's trying to SAVE HIS DAUGHTER! Yet, all his henchmen, all his power, and all these drugs, but they can't kill one girl.
Save is the wrong word. He's trying to keep her isolated from the outside world. It's the same thing cult leaders do to their followers, except he does that to his "daughter". I don't know if he believes his own lies about Vi, but he's definitely not healthy for Jinx.
Maybe spoilers for 789 below, not sure. - - - - - Silco is a traumatized man who never dealt with the trauma Vander and piltover gave him. Powder had similar trauma before the show began. Jinx has even more of the same trauma silco has. He loves jinx. And he is a man that will do any thing to protect his family. He truly believes vi is bad for jinx. Is she? That's up for debate. But silco truly belives everyone else will only betray and hurt her. Afterall, trauma wise, it's all that has happened to him and her. This all being said he's doing wrong in regards to jinx because he fears losing her too. Because even if by some chance he's wrong about vi hurting jinx, she's good for her, and he's terrified of further loss.
Great video! I love the commentary, but I wish you'd pause whwn you talk because it seems like you miss important parts (Jinx's dialogs, throwback to Wander's "you've got a good heart", etc.). I also wonder how your comments will change come finale 😏 this show does a great job not leaving characters as "he/she is just "
It's a solid reaction to a great episode, but I can't help but chuckle a little at the irony in recognizing the dilemma between Vi and Jinx's "blind bias against anybody who's part of a group you don't understand", but somehow not extending that logic to people like Sevika, Silco or Marcus despite all of their well-laid characterization past initial impressions. :P This show is very layered. There isn't a lot in the way of wholly good or wholly bad. In fact, it's easy to argue that there are protagonists and antagonists, but not necessarily in a traditional good vs. evil sense.
Heimerdinger wants to spare Jayce and the humans the pain and suffering that the Hextech Core will bring. He just can't put into words the proper warning of how bad the core has become now that it has become blood magic. Heimerdinger recognizes it as evil while Jayce and Victor are blinded by the potential positives of the Hextech Core. Victor so badly wants to save himself and others that he can't see what the Core has become.
I just now noticed this, but this episode marks the second time that Marcus tries to warn Jayce away from making a really bad decision, only for that warning to be brushed aside and the entire situation getting worse as a result. If only people trusted Marcus a little more, a lot of tragedy could have been avoided. ... I think Marcus might actually be my favorite character. 🤔
I have a series you should do a reaction for and it's perfect for the Halloween season Lovecraft Country. It might be too ethnic but it's full of Black history or tragic tells.
Still not entirely sure how people show Silco more sympathy than Marcus. It's being sympathetic towards a mob-boss, but not the goons who he threatens into doing his bidding.
"...whatever he's after?? .. power?" ....... lets hope the last 3 episodes will clear that out for you (in regards to Silco's motivations) Looking forward to that !
We completely understand why that could be an alternative way of reacting, however we offer the full length versions of our reactions on Patreon, and pausing the video would make it impossible for viewers to watch along with us. - Stella
On some shows it's probably possible to get away with it, but since the brain is in transmit-only mode when talking, it's easy to miss something relevant in Arcane, since it's so densely packed.
I get that she’s trying to engage but it’s just a shame because she’s missing key dialogue and looking away from the screen and missing even more. It’s frustrating because when you do that you’re diminishing what the show is offering you. This show does everything for a reason. So, when you turn away or talk over dialogue, you’re literally depriving yourself of the full experience.
@@jayfrancelf I’m gonna respond to you but this is also kind of a general response to anyone who feels that way: It may seem like a simple change to you to pause the episodes while reacting, however maintaining consistency is important, and the full length reactions are a big part of what we do on this channel. If you are worried about MY experience being ruined-don’t be!!! I have already rewatched this show a second time since filming these reactions, and have seen every breakdown and analysis video under the sun (as I imagine many of the fans have). My experienced was not tainted in the slightest, and the show runners definitely understand that not everyone will catch everything on the first go. The re-watchability of the show is probably a major part of what makes it so good (in my humble opinion)! Anyway, I hope that you still find the reactions entertaining, even if there are some things you would do differently. We love to have you here! - Stella
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What characters do you want to see or see more of in season 2??
Still jinx haha
viktor
Must see: Warwick, Viktor 2.0, Ziggs, Blitzcrank, Oriana
Maybe see: Camille, Darius, Swain, Twitch, Seraphine, Janna
Probably more I can't think of off the top of my head. I'm going to have to make a comprehensive list.
Maybe this type of question should have been worded differently ... perhaps frame the question to 'show' characters only. Otherwise we'll be getting semi-spoilers/info we shouldn't have from game people.
As for who I'd like to see more of ... hmm... assuming we mean underutilized characters --
I'll go with the mage fellow that saved Jayce and his mom in episode 2.
Hmm I had to rethink this to be non spoiler-y. Pretty interested to see Sevika and more of characters from Noxus only hinted at. Also keeping an eye on Singed. I have a hunch.
Jinx to Sevika: "I Feel like we got off on the wrong arm"
Because Sevika lost an arm in Jinx's explosion in Episode 3. Top tier writing.
I love arcane but that’s not really an example of top tier writing it’s just a little joke lol
@@noqualityassured5171 Top tier joke writing. It doesn't have to be hemmingway to be good writing.
Ella Purnell did an amazing job with the voice acting that reunion torn my heart especially when she said "are you real".
Viktor's childhood mentor is Singed, though he's never audibly named in the show. He was the shimmer doctor that did the cat/rat experiment working with Silco in the first episode. He also gets caught in Jinx's explosion in episode 3.
And if I remember correctly, he’s a character from the game?
@@stellaa_rrose correct
@@stellaa_rrose Easily the single most evil character in the game. To be clear.
This is an episode I overlooked at first but every rewatch I see how good it is. Love conversation Stella brings throughout the show and after.
Heimerdinger represents the status quo in the council. It is important to note that, under his watch, the disparity between Piltover and Zaun grew ever larger. ( to the powder keg tension seen in this first season.)
The song that featured in this episode was originally more of an action song rather than the somber melody it ended up being, and the guy that performed it was originally not even slated to it. You can see more about this in the Bridging the Rift docu-series in the League of Legends TH-cam channel.
@31:56 Yes!! You get it! Animation doesn't mean 'just for kids' or 'not as good as live action'. Animation is an incredible storytelling medium and Arcane is a great showcase of it
Heimerdinger is the most fascinating Character study in this whole show for me.
We want him to be the Mentor Archetype, the perfect wise old master that teaches the youngling how to fly, the ObiWan or Gandalf. But he isn't. Heimerdinger is very imperfect and that makes it so hard to know whats right when it comes to him.
His misgivings of Hextech are very clearly founded and he isn't wrong - but neither is Jayce. When he confronts Heimerdinger, he asks him what his plan for fixing the situation is. And that might seem unfair at first, there is a whole council why should it be Heimerdingers responsibility alone... until you realize that Heimerdinger predates the Council .
He predates Piltover. This means that while everyone else on the copuncil was born into a divided City with huge Problems Heimerdinger was there as they developed He founded Piltover. And I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that it wasn't originally planned as a two class system that ripped the city apart in the middle. That to me feels like something that developed in the course of the Cities 200 years of History, which means, Heimerdinger maybe could have stoped it while it was developing.
Sadly we don't have an exact backstory, but whatever happened, either Heimerdinger didn't notice until it was too late, which makes him ignorant and irresponsible; noticed and did nothing, which makes him neglectful or noticed it and tried something that didn't work and then gave up, which makes him inneficient and impotent. Anyway you slice it, he doesn't come out smelling like roses.
So while Jayce' actions are drastic, they're also not unfounded.
I mean as stated in the show, piltover was created with the goal to be the city of progress, science is their religion by design. With that in mind it's no surprise that the decision in that city tend to favor academics over the working class. And without interfering the distance grows larger.
What makes Heimerdinger special is that his flaws come from writing an Immortal character (yordels can't die) excellent. He has seen the rune wars that's why he's afraid of magic, but more often he saw everyone close to him die and he knows he will lose everyone he meets. His neglect for the bad things around him (corruption and poverty) seams to be a logical cooping mechanisem. To stay sane he has to focus on the good things while they last. From his prospective everything people or city's are something he will always have to watch slowly rot and die. That's something he has accepted.
many hate marcus or dont care about him, but the scene with silco and his daughter show very well why marcus has to do whatever he does. if he ever tries to go after silco or just doesnt what silco wants him to do, his daughter will be in severe danger. it is also one of my fav silco moments, because it shows extremly well how much power and control he has over other people. he doesnt need brute force or strengh. only some words are enough
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but the girl in the opening scene is Sky.
And she is now the assistant working with Viktor and Jayce.
We LOVE Sky
16:26 Heimerdinger led the council from the very beginning. Under his rule, a rebellion was suppressed during which V and Powder's mother was killed. He is completely blind to the police brutality and poverty in Zaun. I understand that he is cute, but if he looked like Silco, everyone would immediately treat him as at least incompetent or even as bad guy
When Jinx lights the flare, the music always gives me chills!
Something I didn't notice until watching the reaction video here -- there is a juxtaposition of scenes where Mel states 'We can't change what fate has in store for us - but we don't have to face it alone." Then it cuts to poor Viktor, all alone, looking like death warmed over, staring at the hexcore.
I couldn't help but think of the saying "we all die alone."
I'm probably reading too much into it, but I just found the cut there interesting.
Thank you for your genuine reaction(s) to Arcane. I love watching others react to this show. Seeing what affects them, and the things that end up being the focus of their attention is fascinating.
I think the line "She's a Kiramman. Just like them she does whatever she wants." expresses Marcus's envy of Caitlin's freedom. I'm sure he would give anything (except for his daughter of course) to be unchained from Silco. I also like that it gives the Kiramman parents some characteristics.
they kept her cup, "Chuck" gives her the same cup Vander gives her when Vi was turning herself in.
I read that some people theorize that 'Chuck' is the grown version of the boy who chased Powder in the first episode that power tried to blow up with a pink poof of powder from Mouser. Hence, the pink poof from her sticky bomb. :D
When you hope for no more violence, moments before a big fight with Jinx going disturbingly all out...
"She's held on to that the whole time?" - yeah ... but there's more. Notice Jinx has blue cloud tattoos over one side of her entire body. She's been calling out to Vi all those years. But only half of her .... Now, Jinx's design precedes this show, but this really shows how well the show's creators made use of what they had to work with, to put such deep meaning into something like that ... and then not really draw attention to it, but let the viewers discover it for themselves.
'Kiss your perfect day goodbye' indeed.
Thats Singed miss. He is a big deal and yes you have seen him since ep1. He is the inventor/supplier of shimmer. Blew up in ep3 in the "lab".
she figured out by the end! good detective work
@@78konjo Yeah I noticed after a few minutes(exclamation mark). Ty Cpt.
Thanks Stella your reactions rock.
I love your commentary because it’s so engaged with what the dialogue and actions are showing you in tandem.
She is the absolute GOAT
@@whitenoiseanimereacts yeah!
I especially enjoyed the analysis at the end. I’m interested in listening to those political commentaries Stella detected in the text. And, ofc, the emotional moments as well.
I’m happy to hear people’s analyses, personal opinions, and reactions because it makes the story so much deeper and rich for me 😁
Silco got a big problem. His original plan was: Manufacture a ton of shimmer, give the undercity the weapons to fight and then terrify the topsider into accepting Zaun's independence. That didn't require the destruction of as many lives. Sure the frontline fighters taking Shimmer like Deckard would probably die quickly, but Silco didn't even need to lie about that, there was enough resentment on their side as well as enough people who were already terminally ill from the poisonous air and had nothing to lose.
The issue was twofold though: Powder destroyed his shimmer stock as well as severely injured his chief scientist. It probably set them back months if not a year or more. And the topsiders discovered Hextech. They became richer, more powerful, they had the ability to both pay for and summon reinforcement incredibly quickly and that's without considering Hextech's application as a weapon. Even as a pure teleportation device like it was originally, it could still be used to win a war and considering its volatility it could be turned into an incredibly destructive weapon easily too.
When Silco managed to rebuild what he lost to Powder, the topsiders had taken such an advantage that an army of shimmer monsters wouldn't be enough to scare them anymore. So he had to accumulate as much power as possible and in the undercity, the only way to do that is by building a crime empire. I'm not trying to excuse him, mind you, just explaining why he came to do that despite his claims of loving the undercity. He's not lying about it, he's just putting Zaun's independence and future as a higher priority than the current inhabitant's health and safety which if you see it as a pure pragmatic calculation make complete sense. Sacrificing part of a generation to save all the next ones? It's completely rational.
To Silco the only choices were: 1) Preserve the status quo and do nothing (unimaginable) and therefore condemn not only this generation, but all the subsequent ones to this horrible life, 2) attack despite the power difference and probably result in the annihilation of most of the undercity and the subjugation of the rest in a form that's even worse than it was before (because the topsiders would be sure to tighten the noose after such a war) or 3) start a criminal empire strong enough to give them a military chance. From his perspective, it's a very easy choice to make.
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Choice 1 and Choice 2 were already the path Vander had chosen.
As we've seen.
Silco knows 2 things about Vi... She's an impressive fighter and she abandoned Jinx. Everyone thought she was dead because that's what Marcus told him. Silco knows that the memory of Vi haunts Jinx, so when he suddenly finds out that Vi is alive he goes to question Marcus (and threaten him). Silco also doesn't want Vi and Jinx to meet back up for a couple reasons. One reason is selfish... he doesn't want to lose Jinx. The other reason is because he thinks that the return of Vi will hurt Jinx. Protecting Jinx is so important to Silco that he goes down into the depths of the undercity to stop her himself and when that fails we see him lose his cool... for the first time. He stomps his underlings in a rage. Sevika thinks it will hurt Jinx too, but that's what she wants because Jinx is a distraction for Silco... she distracts him from their goal to achieve independence for the undercity.
Great analysis 👍👍
great analysis and explanation, just maybe a little bit too early in the show. For first timers, some things might better be left open until resolved~
The thing I like most about Marcus is how he shows that just a little self-righteous hypocrisy can trap and ruin your life, if the wrong person gets their hooks in you.
It is important to stand on principle, and it is important to empathize and seek to understand others, even when they're seen as enemies.
The next ep is one of my favorites!! Great reaction!😉
Enjoy your reactions. Very interested to see how your opinions evolve over the course of the final three episodes.
At first, I thought Mel was manipulating Jayce. But in this episode, it seems like she genuinely cares for him
Yeah, every time somebody hates on her for being angry he left her in the middle of the night I cheer. It seems the sex wasn't a political tool.
Maybe a bit of both? She started manipulating and then fell for him. Though she still really seems to be pushing him her way
@@whitenoiseanimereacts yeah, definitely both. She did manipulate him. I'm just glad the sex wasn't a part of it, that was genuine.
God Arcane is SO GOOD. Love the reaction and commentary.
Loving your reactions Stella!
Silco is a product of his world. he is fighting with the weapons he knows. he's he right? no. is he the GOAT? yes. him and Darth Vader.
I don't understand how some reactors miss the dude in Viktor's flashback is the Doctor who made Shimmer, right off the bat. But happy that you recognized Huck from the Bar in the first episode. Silco dropping in on Marcus was scary AF. Marcus actually kinda played Jayce into doing what Silco wants with the checkpoints at the bridge. People don't live in the house that Vi and Caitlyn were in. It was either where Powder and Vi's with their parents or where they hung out. IT's been long abandoned as by the state it's in. The way you tilt your head before Jiinx lights the flare is very reminiscent of a shot later in the series.Very good expressions too. This episode is epic. Really every episode is great. Your feeling right now are very much what lots of people feel, but it goes so deep. I really like this series of episode beginnings with some flashback that gives a little more insight to the characters. First Caitlyn then Viktor and the Doctor, and next up Mel, who actually is one of my favorite characters in the show. The bad guys in this show are very gray. You can understand why they're doign what they're doing and feel some sort of empathy for it, but can disagree the way they go about it.
I just wanted to take the time to say that you are doing a great job and have been since episode one. Keep up the good work!
You could pause the video before giving out thoughts on what's happening and could put up a countdown timer for the incoming pause and resume on your videos for Patreon. So, that way you won't miss anything happening in the show. Especially, Arcane. There are so many details and levels in this show you could only notice, if you watch keenly.
You're correct, Arcane is made in three arcs/acts of three episodes each.
Arcane fan comment…. I highly recommend you watch the Arcane Enemy music video first, before watching episode 7. It will enhance the experience. I’m sure many other Arcane fans here will agree with me too 🙏😅😇
I don't think you're entirely correct in your assessment of Silco's situation. He's not fighting to save, protect and uplift everyone living there now. They were already dying of their environment and deprivation; poisoned and starving just because of where they live. Silco is fighting to make sure that it doesn't have to be that way for everyone in Zaun, forever.
So, he has to build a power base. You do that by amassing some manner of wealth and power. The problem is, Zaun doesn't HAVE anything you can do that with... at least nothing that Piltover can't just cut off or take away... except two. Shimmer is produced by locally sourced resources that, apparently, can't easily be gained elsewhere. So that's something Piltover can't just take away on a whim. The other thing, like it or not, is the people. If you intend to win against something as crushing as Piltover's oppression, you need to make use of them. This parallels every revolution that ever happened in the world, except possibly, to some extent, Mahatma Ghandi's revolution against the colony power of the British Empire... but even then, he had the weapon of budding mass media, which seems to be largely absent in Piltover... there is, by and large, no such creature as a "nice revolutionary". Revolutionaries that are nice are called "rebels". And the difference between rebels and revolutionaries is that revolutionaries won. Rebels lost.
Revolt against a militarily stronger force will always be harsh on the population, no matter their alignment in that struggle. However, it seems pretty clear that the alternative is everyone starving and being poisoned forever while being completely ignored, except when the storm troopers are sent in to break skulls because someone in Piltover has been moderately inconvenienced by a Zaunite... at a point, paying any price for a chance at freedom and independence becomes the lesser evil.
Agreed. I sometimes get frustrated with reactors about this, and then I remember that most are young, and more probably don't know much history. It's understandable even if it's wrong.
Great analysis and historical information. 👍👍
Again, another nice analysis.
Curious on your opinion if you think Silco could have done anything differently ... spared some of his people but still achieve his goals?
Could shimmer have been used selectively ... as a bioweapon ... as a medicine... while not addicting as many of his own people? I expect a decent percentage of income was derived from exports, as we saw with the airship cargo in ep 4. So as far as building wealth, it wasn't an absolute requirement to rely on Zaun's citizens.
Which might not be so great for citizens of wherever the shimmer is being imported too, but that's not so much Silco's problem.
And the argument against this is.... would it have been enough of a threat to keep enforcers out of the undercity? If only used selectively (shimmer guards), that might not really be nearly as effective nor as big a deterrent. There is also the question if shimmer could even be controlled that way in the first place. We can look at drugs in the real world -- they tend to get out there. Some of that depends on how shimmer is made exactly ... safe-guarded secret, i.e. Greek Fire, or do the chem-barons make their own... or at least know how to make it? If not limited to just Silco and the doctor, there is no way to restrict its creation/distribution, even if Silco was so inclined.
So... I'll guess the answer is no, or at least not without some difficulty. Most likely he'd then just be a 'rebel'. But just curious what you think.
@@Mi_Z Right... hrm. All the spoilers.
I REPEAT: ALL THE SPOILERS!
You've been warned now.
My MAIN feeling on Silco is that he SHOULD NOT do anything differently, because I cannot conceive of any choices he could have taken that would have improved the STORY. The ruthless revolutionary dies to birth the desperately devoted father, who in turn gives his last breath to comfort his daughter. It's beautiful and a triumph of tragedy storytelling, and I think it's roughly perfect.
However, if we were to assume that we don't care about the quality of the story, and instead want his ambition of freedom to succeed? There's a few actions I'd do differently. Ignoring "future knowledge" stuff, when Sevika comes to me after walking out on Vander's community meeting in disgust, I'd start strengthening the impression that's already going around that he's grown soft and spineless. I'd still give Marcus the information regarding the burglary. I'd have let the Enforcers take Vander in, then started undermining his support and working against Benzo, who very much seems less capable of keeping the lanes unified. Thus, the confrontation with Vi, Powder and the kids doesn't happen. I do not adopt a daughter. Everything has now changed from the show. I'm less... content and happy, probably, but I throw myself into the cause.
I secure my power base in the undercity. Ekko likely doesn't become the resistance icon he did, because I don't murder Benzo, I don't kidnap Vander. I gradually push Benzo aside, working to undermine whatever policies he sets and actions he takes without coming out against him directly. I may try to co-opt his position by becoming the "saviour/angel investor" trying to get his movement back on track, then if I can't maneuver Piltover and the Enforcers into arresting or killing him, I have him killed and disappeared myself, framing the Enforcers. I take my time and am careful about it. It shouldn't take more than three months to a year - it's better if he fails quickly after Vander is imprisoned. I may try to have Vander killed in prison, if I think I can get the reach, but odds are I can't, so I'll have to ignore that. I'll also have had more time to build up, and no explosion ruining my operations and setting me back.
I reach out to secure trade in whatever I can, even smuggling, attempting to secure weapons, resources, and potential allies abroad, giving favorable conditions, building a separate avenue through which to pressure Piltover. I try to refrain from using these contacts much, but try to influence them into viewing the Enforcers, and Grayson in particular, as disruptive, overreaching reactionaries, without suggesting they do anything about it for now.
Through blackmail, bribery and whatever else, I try to expand my information gathering inside council circles. Learning about hextech should be trivial, given the extreme lack of operational security in Piltover, so that information won't take long, especially given the lessened paranoia and scrutiny after the "culprit" was apprehended. I obviously have to try to get rid of Grayson, likely by bringing to light her "arrangement" with Vander, discrediting her and limiting her ability to act. When I deem the time is right - likely three to four years after Vander's imprisonment - I start kicking off incidents between Piltover and Zaun, attempting to bait retaliatory action by Piltover, getting them to send in a large force of Enforcers to harass and threaten Zaun. I make a public showing, "more in sorrow than in anger" proposing the need to fight back, and given their greater strength and power, I unveil my great reserves of shimmer, which is made available to anyone wanting to fight Enforcers, turning their retaliatory strike into a battle of attrition, doing my level best to publicize any unfavorable incidents (dead kids, massacres, harassment of innocents, widespread destruction), trying to build a sentiment in Piltover against "staying in Zaun" when they "clearly don't want us there" and "our Enforcers are behaving like barbarians" and "the cost in lives and resources is unconscionable". If said movement manages to ever move the council, I once again, more in sorrow than anger, declare independence from Piltover and demand the Enforcers withdraw their genocidal stormtroopers from our territories so we can secure, rebuild, and bury our dead, trying simultaneously to get as many of the trade partners I cultivated earlier as possible to recognize my interim rule as legitimate.
At this point, I enact sweeping changes with a firm hand, trying to quickly solve as many problems as possible, under the guise of rooting out enemy (Piltovan) influences and cutting off their grasp. If, during this time, I need to, I use a very hard hand and expend any goodwill I have built, as little as possible, but I cannot shy away from it now. I try to enact whatever I can to ensure that Zaun reaches a stability and an equilibrium, even if I must become a monster and a tyrant to do it, though I try to avoid it. If the Chem Barons have become an influence akin to what they are in the show during this buildup, at this point I probably kill any and all that I do not believe would be better peacetime rulers than me. If I can't very securely blame Piltover in some way or another for their deaths, I take responsibility personally.
I now move another project forward from the backburner: obviously I've kept track of other revolutionaries, misfits, who aren't aligned and affiliated with me but who are also undisputably in favour of Zaun and who are not fans of my interim rule. Ekko would be awesome for this, if he turned out anything like he did in the show. So him, or someone like him. Probably not Vi, as she's frankly got no core competency in the field of governance and I doubt that would change. But there's bound to be someone like that around. Ekko would be awesome because he has the semi-legitimacy of being the "heir" of Benzo/Vander. Whoever I find that shows promise, I gradually set them up as a grudging partner/co-ruler, making sure that I do all the questionable things that need doing and let them be shocked and appalled at it, and giving them as much credit as I can for anything that goes well. Then I wait for them to be seen as a more natural leader than I am, and then I withdraw, leaving the whole thing in their hand. During this step, I remain prepared to be assassinated or removed from power, and keep a close eye on it. If this happens from within, not supported by foreign powers, I either let them kill me, or flee into exile. I do my best to ensure that my handpicked successor is seen as legitimate and is not blamed for said assassination attempt, if at all possible. After all, I have set myself up to be the scapegoat, the only remaining tie to the dark, bitter past, the last one who had to go. I have now freed Zaun from Piltover, done all I can to build the stability I hope for. I have known for a good while that revolutionaries frequently don't survive their revolutions, and that revolutionaries also often make poor peace time leaders, which is why I need to get out of it so peace can eventually follow. I plan and work hard to live, but I prepare to die, and I don't do anything for my survival that would undermine the independence and stability I have attempted to build... I HAVE to be prepared to die, and I have to ensure that if I do die I will not be seen as a rallying point for opposition to my successors.
Now... there's more to every step, but that's a basic outline of how I would try to play a revolution from Silco's starting point.
Finally, I rest secure in the knowledge that even should I fail, someone like me will take my place until the oppression of Piltover is removed. Freedom or annihilation will come. I just hope it will be freedom, and I do all I can to bring that about.
The thing is... I don't know that I'd care to watch that show. MAYBE... but it'd be really hard to make it compelling and glorious.
@@th3voice Wow, a more detailed reply than I expected. Nice.
Although I think you may have missed the part where I mentioned SPARING some of his people -- I was basically asking if Silco could have been a 'nice revolutionary' and still won.
Not that I don't like your response, just that I'm not so sure your possible tyrant qualifies as a nice revolutionary exactly.
As for the story, I wouldn't want to see any changes. Mr. Niceguy Silco wouldn't make for a better story.
I was asking more as a hypothetical ... as a lot of reactors aren't against independence, but they don't seem to want to pay the price. But there probably isn't a way around that.
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"turning their retaliatory strike into a battle of attrition, doing my level best to publicize any unfavorable incidents (dead kids, massacres, harassment of innocents, widespread destruction),"
"even if I must become a monster and a tyrant to do it,"
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Hmm... Silco might look like a saint compared to this hypothetical tyrant, who has arranged the equivalent of a Stalingrad-ish battle of attrition.
Yes, it might work. Or Zaun could be wiped out during that battle. Or even if you 'won', the damage to Zaun might be so great that it's not worth it... not much of a nation left to rebuild.
Even Silco didn't want a direct conflict or war.
Zaun having a bit of a drug problem kind of seems quaint in comparison.
Yeah the worst thing Silco did there was collapsing that card tower and totally not threatening to murder Marcus daughter in the subtext. xD
oh yeah every characters are grey which make the show so good
23:56 The frustration HAHHA
You gotta relate lol
@@whitenoiseanimereacts I do , that's why it's funny! I am sure everyone is on the same boat haha
Victor's undercity mentor is the creator of shimmer. His name is Singed. He was blown up in ep 3, hence the name Singed.
You were agreeing with the "search everyone who crosses the bridges" plan. It wasn't to stop the corruption. It was Marcus's way of tricking Jayce into blockading the bridges so he can stop Cait and Vi from making it back topside.
Silco's plan isn't to just raise the undercity. He sees it as he needs to fight topside and he accepts the negative costs of that to achieve his long term goal of independence. Sacrifices are a hard truth that most people have trouble excepting, but ultimately are necessary for progress. So his general outlook isn't wrong. He just takes it way too far. He ignores the short term costs of hooking the population on drugs.
I'm really glad you didn't just side with Jayce or Heimerdinger. So many people just side with Heimer and it frustrates the hell out of me. Glad you see that there is merits to both views and there is a middle ground. I know you love Heimer and I took the implication you sided more with him, but I gotta say I lean more towards Jayce. The costs with waiting are too high. Short term solutions can help you stem the bleeding and give you the time to make better solutions later. Letting problems fester just means the grow exponentially, often far beyond the scope of any solution you can put forth later.
Also, you should watch the Enemy music video. It adds some backstory to the show. It makes one scene in ep7 hit way harder. You've implied in other comments you're already past it, but I still won't say which to avoid spoilers regardless.
Also as far as game characters having plot armor. There was a point where as they released tidbits of lore, Riot eventually released lore surrounding the death of a game character at the hands of another. When they did that, they also temporarily removed him from the game. So while I think the plot armor is real... you never know.
I may be wrong, but I think Riot has stated that plot armor won't be a thing here... it's sort of its own little universe. We'll see.
And yep, Silco is very much an ends justify the means sort of guy. He probably does take it to extremes, however, as you noted. Although we don't see enough to come to any full conclusions -- how were conditions before shimmer? Mortality rates? What are the socio-economic changes after shimmer... some are definitely worse off, but how many are better? We did see a 'livelier' undercity in ep 4 ... so it's not like the entire place is in ruins.
The likely answer is that the general populace is worse off... a certain class is better... but the real question is was it necessary to achieve Silco's goals?
**shrugs**
Shimmer was needed to keep enforcers out of the undercity. So it's a choice... pick your poison -- enforcers running roughshod over people, or a drug problem. And on one hand I'd like to think limiting shimmer to simply a threat, or bioweapons, would also work ... the reality is that something like this probably isn't fully controllable. Once released, I'm not sure a limited release for just certain purposes was possible. Also not sure if a limited threat would have worked as a fear tactic either.
Love these reactions! Marcus is annoying, but I feel like he is really important to contrast with our protagonists. He started out wanting to prove himself too much (like Powder) and got Grayson killed, and knew he messed up and wanted to fix it. He was corrupt but wanted to kill Silco and be a martyr, but lacked the courage. He wanted to do what was right but always took half measures (such as saving Vi but then locking her up so he doesn’t get in trouble) and looked out for himself and his daughter first. Then we compare with a character like Vi who also made mistakes but had the guts to act
Episode 6 hits hard as fuck. I'm ready.
I saw one comment say to pause when you talk. Honestly, I think it’s fine the way you do it 👍
Get Well Soon! :D Take care of yourself. Get more sleep. Stay hydrated.
The 'Rune Pod' is called the Hex-Core. Relax, this isn't a final exam. This will be a series of on-going exams. Enjoy! :D
I think people miss that the real leader of the Council is Mel. She owns Jayce, and is getting everything she wants. He is her investment. She's not evil, but she clearly has her own goals she can achieve through Jayce. Hymerdinger is the only honest/selfless person on the Council. At the Opera Hymerdinger is the only one there for the performance while corruption is the focus for the other Council Members. He's lost in the music while Jayce (really Mel through Jayce) consolidates power through backroom deals. Jayce is not being selfless here. He is trying to save Victor. It's all he cares about. Similar to HexTech, Jayce believes if his goal is noble then single-minded focus on that without concern for the consequences is justified. In the end he is selfish because he only cares about his own pursuits and what he wants. It's why he's being so reckless and irresponsible, and it is why he is so easily manipulated by Mel.
I don't know about RECENT, Ekko was released 7 years ago...
I REFUSE to believe that 2015 was 7 years ago. I simply refuse.
I feel like people always get the wrong idea of Silco when he's stomping the dude into the ground.
He's trying to SAVE HIS DAUGHTER! Yet, all his henchmen, all his power, and all these drugs, but they can't kill one girl.
Save is the wrong word. He's trying to keep her isolated from the outside world. It's the same thing cult leaders do to their followers, except he does that to his "daughter".
I don't know if he believes his own lies about Vi, but he's definitely not healthy for Jinx.
Maybe spoilers for 789 below, not sure.
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Silco is a traumatized man who never dealt with the trauma Vander and piltover gave him. Powder had similar trauma before the show began. Jinx has even more of the same trauma silco has.
He loves jinx. And he is a man that will do any thing to protect his family. He truly believes vi is bad for jinx.
Is she? That's up for debate. But silco truly belives everyone else will only betray and hurt her. Afterall, trauma wise, it's all that has happened to him and her.
This all being said he's doing wrong in regards to jinx because he fears losing her too. Because even if by some chance he's wrong about vi hurting jinx, she's good for her, and he's terrified of further loss.
@@patrikneperfekta7575 No he's trying to save her daughter, you just don't understand the character
Two things can be true
I dont think they get the wrong idea, isnt mostly that they say “u gonna stomp him out like that? Do it ur self then”
@@laverdad159 not save, protect
Everybody who tries to deem Silko as a bad guy, ends up shedding tears
Everyone who watched this show ends up shedding tears lol
@@whitenoiseanimereacts that's facts
Great video! I love the commentary, but I wish you'd pause whwn you talk because it seems like you miss important parts (Jinx's dialogs, throwback to Wander's "you've got a good heart", etc.). I also wonder how your comments will change come finale 😏 this show does a great job not leaving characters as "he/she is just "
It's a solid reaction to a great episode, but I can't help but chuckle a little at the irony in recognizing the dilemma between Vi and Jinx's "blind bias against anybody who's part of a group you don't understand", but somehow not extending that logic to people like Sevika, Silco or Marcus despite all of their well-laid characterization past initial impressions. :P
This show is very layered. There isn't a lot in the way of wholly good or wholly bad. In fact, it's easy to argue that there are protagonists and antagonists, but not necessarily in a traditional good vs. evil sense.
Just missed the live.
It was just a premier, no worries
Cactus
Feels like jinx want vi to sacrifice the world for her... but vi doesn't want to do that
Heimerdinger wants to spare Jayce and the humans the pain and suffering that the Hextech Core will bring. He just can't put into words the proper warning of how bad the core has become now that it has become blood magic. Heimerdinger recognizes it as evil while Jayce and Victor are blinded by the potential positives of the Hextech Core. Victor so badly wants to save himself and others that he can't see what the Core has become.
I just now noticed this, but this episode marks the second time that Marcus tries to warn Jayce away from making a really bad decision, only for that warning to be brushed aside and the entire situation getting worse as a result. If only people trusted Marcus a little more, a lot of tragedy could have been avoided.
... I think Marcus might actually be my favorite character. 🤔
I have a series you should do a reaction for and it's perfect for the Halloween season Lovecraft Country. It might be too ethnic but it's full of Black history or tragic tells.
Still not entirely sure how people show Silco more sympathy than Marcus. It's being sympathetic towards a mob-boss, but not the goons who he threatens into doing his bidding.
"...whatever he's after?? .. power?" ....... lets hope the last 3 episodes will clear that out for you (in regards to Silco's motivations)
Looking forward to that !
stella is so pretty
Just a suggestion, it’s probably better to pause the video when you talk
We completely understand why that could be an alternative way of reacting, however we offer the full length versions of our reactions on Patreon, and pausing the video would make it impossible for viewers to watch along with us.
- Stella
On some shows it's probably possible to get away with it, but since the brain is in transmit-only mode when talking, it's easy to miss something relevant in Arcane, since it's so densely packed.
I get that she’s trying to engage but it’s just a shame because she’s missing key dialogue and looking away from the screen and missing even more. It’s frustrating because when you do that you’re diminishing what the show is offering you. This show does everything for a reason. So, when you turn away or talk over dialogue, you’re literally depriving yourself of the full experience.
On the other hand - don't want to come off as negative - I love the reactions anyway.
@@jayfrancelf
I’m gonna respond to you but this is also kind of a general response to anyone who feels that way:
It may seem like a simple change to you to pause the episodes while reacting, however maintaining consistency is important, and the full length reactions are a big part of what we do on this channel.
If you are worried about MY experience being ruined-don’t be!!!
I have already rewatched this show a second time since filming these reactions, and have seen every breakdown and analysis video under the sun (as I imagine many of the fans have). My experienced was not tainted in the slightest, and the show runners definitely understand that not everyone will catch everything on the first go. The re-watchability of the show is probably a major part of what makes it so good (in my humble opinion)!
Anyway, I hope that you still find the reactions entertaining, even if there are some things you would do differently. We love to have you here!
- Stella