That would be my train! Which shouldn't have been there in the first place. It was 6C12 to Luton from Mountsorrel diverted to Peterborough due to a points failure at Manton Jn. Then the loco 66779 failed on entering the VQ. 😫
Well, a big thank you for setting everything in motion so I could get all this on video!😁 Perhaps the outcome was not so welcomed on your side of the fence. How was your train recovered?
@@werringtonjunction we used a loco off depot about to have a B exam to drag it into the VQ. The train then went back to Mountsorrel and will try again its trip to Luton on Wednesday.
I've just watched your video my husband is an ex railway man and said in all his years he has never seen trains stacking so near to eachother brilliant video you where lucky to be there at the right time,
Thank you Jo. I am glad you both liked it. It has happened again a couple of times since on just the ECML (wires down the usual culprit) but not quite so prolific with the stacking, Peterborough tends to be a holding place for such occurances until things get back to normal.
It may not be great for the passengers or drivers, but these instances make for really great video. Thanks for cooking in the heat to bring us such a fantastic bit of footage... I SAID... THANKS.... oh never mind, he can't hear us anyway after all the chatter form the 66's ;-) - Take care and thanks once again
Wow what a day! Good to see the signallers sharing out the misery equally across freight and passengers and the different lines. A hill start in a '66' with 2000 tons on the back is also a skill to behold.
It was certainly an experience to watch but probably no so good being a passenger stuck for a few hours. I'm not so sure about 2000 tons, do we export anything these days? they were probably the empties going back to China.😁 Thanks for watching Colin.
@@colingraham1065 Ah yes, I thought you mean't the containers coming out of the dive under. The one you are talking about is coming from Mountsorrel, north of Leicester via the Up Stamford line. What looks like a slope in the distance is just a curve, the line is actually flat, it is the quirk of the telephoto lens that makes it look like a slope. Watch this video th-cam.com/video/081bffdUds4/w-d-xo.html at 12:05 which shows a view looking the other way (the big green bridge in the background is where I videoed the 'Mayhem video'). Notice also in the same clip, the ECML at the left edge just above the white concrete block appears to slope downwards, it also is flat but the slight curve fools the eye into thinking it slopes downwards.
I'm trying to keep my videos shorter but what do you do when the railway throws that lot at you! Probably didn't have to wait in the airport queues for long, if they ever made it on time. That was two earlier services joined together that were terminated at Leicester because of the points failure at Manton Junction, which in turn caused the knock on effect at New England.(see Ben's comments)
The driver of the type 37 got a little taste of what railroading in the U.S. can be like. A friend of mine is a conductor on the Union Pacific and he tells me it's not uncommon to sit for hours in a passing siding (loop), sometimes running out of hours so the railroad has to send a van with a fresh crew to replace the original crew. By the way, loved to hear those type 66's wind up. Thanks for enduring and capturing all the action.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment David. I watch quite a lot of American railroading on TH-cam, it's a totally different ball game compared to the UK. The scale of everything is on a level that is hard to comprehend if you have never seen it in the flesh.
@@werringtonjunction Yes, a ten to twelve thousand foot long train is somewhat impressive, especially if you are waiting at a grade crossing for it to pass......a mile long used to be considered a big train. I live in a city on the BNSF main line from Chicago to Los Angeles, so I see a lot of it. I've been following your posts since the construction phase, and always enjoy seeing the latest activity.
@@davidgolbert3548 Thank you for sticking with the channel David. I miss the construction part with the many knowledgable people who gave their time explaining so many different aspects of civil engineering. If we had trains a mile long there would be uproar, two miles long and the country would come to a standstill.😁
I have to assume that there was a similar 'stacking' in place south of Peterborough. It was certainly an interesting day. Robert Burns, in one of his poems, has a quote that fits perfectly - "The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men gang aft agley, An’ leave us nought but grief an’ pain, For promis’d joy!" I wonder how many plans (or schemes) were thwarted on that particular occasion. Hundreds? Probably more like thousands when all those travelling are taken into account.
A little bit but not so much. The broken down freight had fouled New England ladder crossing which affected the Up Stamford, ECML Down Fast, ECML Up Fast and the ECML Up Slow(bi-directional from Peterborough Station to Werrington Junction). Trains travelling north were able to use the unaffected Down Stamford/ECML Down Slow as far as Helpston Junction regaining the ECML Down Fast at Tallington Junction. I didn't film much of them as once one Azuma passes the next one looks just the same.😀 A lot of inconvenience for people travelling no doubt but that's rail travel, when something goes wrong there is no satnav to help route you around the obstacle.
This isn’t the first time witnessing trains stacking close to each other, on one occasion the signals between Doncaster and Rossington crossing were stuck on red. Given the all clear to PSAD, there was a train passing slowly every minute for 40 minutes Great video by the way and have a Merry Christmas 🎄
We had a few more instances of trains stacking here in the hot summer due to fires and OHEL being down further south of Peterborough. Thank you for commenting James, I am a bit late in responding due to having a nasty virus over Christmas that has curtailed doing much videoing in December, so here is wishing you a happy new year for 2023.
Does't this show that the ladder junction for the Peterborough yards negates the point of building the fly under. Also I seem to recall there used to be a standby loco at Peterborough parked in the engineers siding next to Waitrose.
The ladder crossing has been there for years and it wasn't a train from the dive under that blocked it. There has not been a standby loco there for a long time ready to deploy, probably due to cost savings. GBRf have a maintenance depot very near to the ladder crossing where there is usually class 66's available, whether they were deployed in removing the errant failure I don't know.
@@werringtonjunction What I meant was the idea of the fly under was to free up capacity on the ECML by avoiding slow freight crossing the high speed lines. Yet just a couple of miles south freight leaving the yards bound for either Stamford or Ely does just this. In hind sight it would have been better to have not sold of the land between the station and Midland Road and resited the yards there.
@@daviddearden6372 the dive under has already freed up capacity as the majority of freight heading to and from the Joint Line no longer has to cross over the ECML or use it to access the flat junction at Werrington. Those trains that do use the ladder crossing into New England and the ladder at Spital are going to the Virtual Quarry or engine changes/adding wagons at the GBRf maintenance depot. I quite agree with you on the sale of railway land all around Peterborough, the loss of which would have been a valuable asset today. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though, if there had been no closure of the March to Spalding Line, New England yards would be surplus to requirements today. The freight moving between the Midlands and East Anglia could have been dealt with and serviced on the extensive land that was Peterborough East.
Good to see best behaviour from those in the queues. The Greens would have a fit if they had to put up with 66s ticking over for 90 mins. Someone could say why, with phones and radios to hand, that they could not risk turning off their engines for a while on a hot day. Must have backed up all the way to Newark. At 19:27 a strange disparity between loadings for the box trains. T
I guess you cannot set a time for that sort of recovery hence the trains need to be ready to go. It is not quite like starting up a car and being away in seconds, plus you can't push it to the side if it fails to start up again! I hadn't noticed the comparison of the two container trains until you mentioned it.
Ha Ha, but he would have been stuck in a 66 down the dive under with a restricted forward view. At least I got you some overall scene views Steve.😁 Thank you for watching and commenting.
Not on this occassion Kian. Did you read the description in the video and Ben intrehubGBRf's comment? The level crossing fire at Everton was a week later on the 19th July.
@@kianthetrainspotter7777 easily to be mistaken Kian when there has been so many such delays in the latter half of the year such as the wires down a couple of times around Biggleswade and then straw blown onto wires. Thank you for watching and subscribing, much appreciated.
Definitely a costly occurence but these things happen and life goes on. The captain of the Ever Given entered the Suez Canal never expecting his ship to block that for a week.😁
That would be my train! Which shouldn't have been there in the first place. It was 6C12 to Luton from Mountsorrel diverted to Peterborough due to a points failure at Manton Jn. Then the loco 66779 failed on entering the VQ. 😫
Well, a big thank you for setting everything in motion so I could get all this on video!😁
Perhaps the outcome was not so welcomed on your side of the fence. How was your train recovered?
@@werringtonjunction we used a loco off depot about to have a B exam to drag it into the VQ. The train then went back to Mountsorrel and will try again its trip to Luton on Wednesday.
I've just watched your video my husband is an ex railway man and said in all his years he has never seen trains stacking so near to eachother brilliant video you where lucky to be there at the right time,
Thank you Jo. I am glad you both liked it. It has happened again a couple of times since on just the ECML (wires down the usual culprit) but not quite so prolific with the stacking, Peterborough tends to be a holding place for such occurances until things get back to normal.
It may not be great for the passengers or drivers, but these instances make for really great video. Thanks for cooking in the heat to bring us such a fantastic bit of footage... I SAID... THANKS.... oh never mind, he can't hear us anyway after all the chatter form the 66's ;-) - Take care and thanks once again
Thank you for your kind comments Malcolm. It was definitely worth the effort!
Great video, thanks for filming it in such noisy conditions.
Glad you liked the video Richard, thank you for watching and commenting.
Great Cop! Thanks for braving the heat! Mad dogs & Englishmen etc!
Too right John. I was ill prepared for a long stint but it was all worth it in the end.
Wow what a day! Good to see the signallers sharing out the misery equally across freight and passengers and the different lines. A hill start in a '66' with 2000 tons on the back is also a skill to behold.
It was certainly an experience to watch but probably no so good being a passenger stuck for a few hours. I'm not so sure about 2000 tons, do we export anything these days? they were probably the empties going back to China.😁 Thanks for watching Colin.
@@werringtonjunction I was thinking of that stone train on a signal check coming up the slope fron the dive under (66 and red wagons)
@@colingraham1065 Ah yes, I thought you mean't the containers coming out of the dive under. The one you are talking about is coming from Mountsorrel, north of Leicester via the Up Stamford line. What looks like a slope in the distance is just a curve, the line is actually flat, it is the quirk of the telephoto lens that makes it look like a slope. Watch this video th-cam.com/video/081bffdUds4/w-d-xo.html at 12:05 which shows a view looking the other way (the big green bridge in the background is where I videoed the 'Mayhem video'). Notice also in the same clip, the ECML at the left edge just above the white concrete block appears to slope downwards, it also is flat but the slight curve fools the eye into thinking it slopes downwards.
The makings of a classic.I bet that the 170 for Stansted was full of people looking forward to the airport queues.
I'm trying to keep my videos shorter but what do you do when the railway throws that lot at you!
Probably didn't have to wait in the airport queues for long, if they ever made it on time. That was two earlier services joined together that were terminated at Leicester because of the points failure at Manton Junction, which in turn caused the knock on effect at New England.(see Ben's comments)
The driver of the type 37 got a little taste of what railroading in the U.S. can be like. A friend of mine is a conductor on the Union Pacific and he tells me it's not uncommon to sit for hours in a passing siding (loop), sometimes running out of hours so the railroad has to send a van with a fresh crew to replace the original crew. By the way, loved to hear those type 66's wind up. Thanks for enduring and capturing all the action.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment David. I watch quite a lot of American railroading on TH-cam, it's a totally different ball game compared to the UK. The scale of everything is on a level that is hard to comprehend if you have never seen it in the flesh.
@@werringtonjunction Yes, a ten to twelve thousand foot long train is somewhat impressive, especially if you are waiting at a grade crossing for it to pass......a mile long used to be considered a big train. I live in a city on the BNSF main line from Chicago to Los Angeles, so I see a lot of it. I've been following your posts since the construction phase, and always enjoy seeing the latest activity.
@@davidgolbert3548 Thank you for sticking with the channel David. I miss the construction part with the many knowledgable people who gave their time explaining so many different aspects of civil engineering. If we had trains a mile long there would be uproar, two miles long and the country would come to a standstill.😁
Don’t think the 66s would have been any more comfortable than a 37.
I bet the passengers were looking for claim forms!! I bet someone had a tea and biscuit meeting with a manager lol
Oh yes, the gotta make some money out of this culture.
I have to assume that there was a similar 'stacking' in place south of Peterborough. It was certainly an interesting day. Robert Burns, in one of his poems, has a quote that fits perfectly - "The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men gang aft agley, An’ leave us nought but grief an’ pain, For promis’d joy!" I wonder how many plans (or schemes) were thwarted on that particular occasion. Hundreds? Probably more like thousands when all those travelling are taken into account.
A little bit but not so much. The broken down freight had fouled New England ladder crossing which affected the Up Stamford, ECML Down Fast, ECML Up Fast and the ECML Up Slow(bi-directional from Peterborough Station to Werrington Junction). Trains travelling north were able to use the unaffected Down Stamford/ECML Down Slow as far as Helpston Junction regaining the ECML Down Fast at Tallington Junction. I didn't film much of them as once one Azuma passes the next one looks just the same.😀 A lot of inconvenience for people travelling no doubt but that's rail travel, when something goes wrong there is no satnav to help route you around the obstacle.
This isn’t the first time witnessing trains stacking close to each other, on one occasion the signals between Doncaster and Rossington crossing were stuck on red. Given the all clear to PSAD, there was a train passing slowly every minute for 40 minutes
Great video by the way and have a Merry Christmas 🎄
We had a few more instances of trains stacking here in the hot summer due to fires and OHEL being down further south of Peterborough.
Thank you for commenting James, I am a bit late in responding due to having a nasty virus over Christmas that has curtailed doing much videoing in December, so here is wishing you a happy new year for 2023.
Organised mayhem at it's best. Great footage 👍
Thank you Vincent for the comment and subscribing.
What a great presentation.
Thank you Keith for watching and commenting. I still have a long way to go to match the content and variety of your channel. Keep well young man.😀
Does't this show that the ladder junction for the Peterborough yards negates the point of building the fly under. Also I seem to recall there used to be a standby loco at Peterborough parked in the engineers siding next to Waitrose.
The ladder crossing has been there for years and it wasn't a train from the dive under that blocked it. There has not been a standby loco there for a long time ready to deploy, probably due to cost savings. GBRf have a maintenance depot very near to the ladder crossing where there is usually class 66's available, whether they were deployed in removing the errant failure I don't know.
@@werringtonjunction What I meant was the idea of the fly under was to free up capacity on the ECML by avoiding slow freight crossing the high speed lines. Yet just a couple of miles south freight leaving the yards bound for either Stamford or Ely does just this. In hind sight it would have been better to have not sold of the land between the station and Midland Road and resited the yards there.
@@daviddearden6372 the dive under has already freed up capacity as the majority of freight heading to and from the Joint Line no longer has to cross over the ECML or use it to access the flat junction at Werrington. Those trains that do use the ladder crossing into New England and the ladder at Spital are going to the Virtual Quarry or engine changes/adding wagons at the GBRf maintenance depot. I quite agree with you on the sale of railway land all around Peterborough, the loss of which would have been a valuable asset today. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though, if there had been no closure of the March to Spalding Line, New England yards would be surplus to requirements today. The freight moving between the Midlands and East Anglia could have been dealt with and serviced on the extensive land that was Peterborough East.
Not all the freight traffic goes through the yard at Peterborough, the dive under does release a number of paths
Good to see best behaviour from those in the queues. The Greens would have a fit if they had to put up with 66s ticking over for 90 mins. Someone could say why, with phones and radios to hand, that they could not risk turning off their engines for a while on a hot day. Must have backed up all the way to Newark. At 19:27 a strange disparity between loadings for the box trains. T
I guess you cannot set a time for that sort of recovery hence the trains need to be ready to go. It is not quite like starting up a car and being away in seconds, plus you can't push it to the side if it fails to start up again! I hadn't noticed the comparison of the two container trains until you mentioned it.
@@werringtonjunction Standby for speed limits during the promised 'heatwave'. Could even be another queue down Stoke Bank.
@@tomcarr1358 Phew! I'll be in the cooler not on that oven of a green bridge.🙂
Send for Don Coffey! 😉
Ha Ha, but he would have been stuck in a 66 down the dive under with a restricted forward view. At least I got you some overall scene views Steve.😁 Thank you for watching and commenting.
That reason is bc of a level crossing caught on fire and I’ve been past that multiple times
Not on this occassion Kian. Did you read the description in the video and Ben intrehubGBRf's comment? The level crossing fire at Everton was a week later on the 19th July.
@@werringtonjunction oh
@@kianthetrainspotter7777 easily to be mistaken Kian when there has been so many such delays in the latter half of the year such as the wires down a couple of times around Biggleswade and then straw blown onto wires. Thank you for watching and subscribing, much appreciated.
This is wild
😁, definitely, thanks for watching.👍
Wouldn't like the delay attribution on that episode for whoever was to blame, bet the Signaller was sweating like a Glassblowers A**e ?
Definitely a costly occurence but these things happen and life goes on.
The captain of the Ever Given entered the Suez Canal never expecting his ship to block that for a week.😁
cool
Thanks Darren, it was my lucky day.