Get over the spot. JH had a poor line of sight to the first down line. The referees were on the line and saw the ball cross the line of gain for a first down. There is no probably about it. Officials were the only ones who could see both the ball and the line. Close calls like this happen all the time. That is why the toughest job is to be an official because you are guaranteed that half of the fans will be unhappy. If you don't like the calls grab a whistle and join the officiating crew.
I love how honest Joel klatt is about Michigan. He talks about the good things and he addresses the bad things but not from a biased standpoint and as a Michigan fan I love it
Tomlin has the safest Head Coaching job in the NFL regarding how the organization runs things. Why would he want to leave it. He'll be there until he is ready to step down like Cowher did
@@chloethacker Mike Tomlin has a winning record of 159-89 regular season, he’s 8-8 in the playoffs ,2 super bowl appearance which he has won 1. But I forgot, black coaches standards are higher and you have to do more. Meanwhile mediocre white coaches get jobs every day.
@@chloethacker I hate to say it but I agree. He's literally the Doc Rivers of the NBA. Was surrounded by can't loose talent for years. Basically an extended version of John Gruden's Buccaneers. I don't think he's a bad coach at all but he's overrated.
There was a freshman on the MSU team from Georgetown, KY, #44, who was in on hammering the punter on Michigan. My son was in the band at Scott Co. HS and went to school with him. Still makes me smile remembering my son celebrating that hit and that play.
If Brian Kelly spent his tenure at USC instead of ND he would have at least 1 National champ rn. He is a perfect USC LA guy that brings stability and culture to a place that has all the talent in the world, but no leader
As a Michigan fan, nobody in the media is more fair to Jim Harbaugh than Klatt...and I say that as someone completely underwhelmed by Jim's tenure. He hasn't been nearly as bad as the national perception/talk is but he also has certainly been underwhelming. He's a proven winner. Resurrected Stanford from the dead, 3 straight NFC Championship games with the 49ers, a Super Bowl he barely lost to his brother, etc. He's a former star player coming back to his Alma Mater that happens to be one of a few CFB programs with endless resources. Very few programs can sincerely spend whatever they need to spend on football and Michigan is one of them. It should have been a perfect match for massive success but it hasn't been. Yet, he really is 2 snaps away from having a totally different national perception but at the same time he hasn't done the program any favors regarding his ability to field an offense from the 21st century. You won't even catch OSU playing 1980s football, let alone surpass them. Ever. The game has changed and no matter how much he wants to be Bo and grind an opponent into dust, that's not the game in 2021. Defense no longer wins championships, ask Nick Saban. When Saban adapted that should have been the sign for EVERY "old school" HC that it was time to adapt themselves. Michigan, once a program guaranteed to have an All-Conference (or better) QB every year, hasn't had exceptional QB play in Harbaugh's tenure. His best QB was a one-year transfer from Iowa in his very first season. The rest have been somewhere between awful - average. Even now his starter is a classic "game manager" QB. He's basically Brian Griese, a guy that is a good backup until they're a Senior-RS Senior and them they're a guy you can win big with. Yet, the guy he has today isn't in his 4th or 5th year. He's still relatively new to P5 quarterbacking and the guy behind him is a bonafide stud. All the tools, only hindrance is his inexperience. Clemson faced this issue a few years back. They had a QB that was installed into the program and system. He was ready because he waited his turn. Yet, behind him was a kid named Trevor Lawrence. The starter hadn't done anything to lose his job *other than be not as good as Lawrence* so Dabo made the switch. Clemson? You know the story. It was the right move. Jim Harbaugh won't make that move. He's old-school. He'll make that kid lose his job by losing games before playing the better player. Little things like that have not helped his case at Michigan. Jim refuses to accept that the sport has changed. He wants to be the Michigan coach in 1986, not 2021.
But Harbaugh didn’t max protect on that MSU kick even tho MSU had no one back to return it lol. Extremely poor decision that directly resulted in the loss. Every play matters for head coaches. What a dumb discussion this is.
@@synyster__2120 Just because a punt isn’t blocked doesn’t mean the kicker wasn’t impacted by the defenses pressure. Just like Aaron Donald impacts an opposing qbs play with his pressure; he doesn’t have to tip a pass or make a sack to have an impact on the play. I’m sure Blake O’Neil was shitting himself when he saw MSU about to bring everyone while Harbaugh decided it’d be best to send gunners to tackle no one instead of helping handle the pressureO’Neil was about to face. MSU’s pressure for sure helped to create that botched punt and max protect would have helped stop it from happening. Anything else you need help with?
@@User120s nah, I just think it's funny when random commenters think they know more than the people making millions to do these things. Thanks for the laugh. 😂
Based on where I believe the Steelers will be drafting in the 2022 draft and this draft not having any real top QB's, Kenny is for sure a possibility for the Steelers if they do decide to draft a QB
People like slagging on the USC job like it isn't a premier one anymore but there are around 130 schools that play D1 college football. At worst, USC would be just outside the top 10 as far as glamour goes. There are probably only 10-12 schools where if you are in national title contention, the coach wouldn't consider leaving for another school (unless it's an alma-mater situation) and USC is still one of those schools. Name another school west of Texas where the head coaching job would be more desirable. The only one that may come to mind is Oregon and that's just because of it's affiliation with Nike.
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 just ignore the two non biased professionals in the video agree he was short but sure. I’d be upset too if I lived in Ohio. Hate driving through it to get to North Carolina
@@g.t.phillips7759 You assume I live in Ohio and I'll assume you have downsyndrome and are on welfare...Keep on stewing on that game for many more decades to come!
Biggest thing Klatt is missing, Yes MSU got that fumbled punt snap and turned it around. That's great. MSU was a walking MASH unit that game and had no business being in the position where that play have mattered. MSU out played Michigan by a long shot just to be in that position. You can boil games down to moments but there's always hundreds of moments that lead up to it.
They're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to explain away Harbaugh's lousy performance. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. If he had any other name besides Harbaugh , he would've been fired a while ago
Not a Big 10 watcher, not a Michigan or OSU fan, but I don’t particularly care either way. I usually like Klatt which is why I clicked. But this just sounds like a lot of excuses. If, if, if, if. In the end Harbaugh just hasn’t gotten it done yet.
Shame to see these guys not knowing what they’re talking about.. That 2015 year Michigan already had a loss to Utah prior to the Michigan state game and then got blown out per usual against Ohio State at home.. so no they would not have won the big ten nor made the playoff even if they didn’t fumble that punt. Sorry!
The “woah” snap against MSU was 2015, Mich went 6-2 in B1G play, OSU & MSU went 7-1. So if we won that game OSU and Mich would have been 7-1 and I believe OSU would get to the B1G Championship game based on tiebreaker. So, ignoring butterfly effect, all we did with that loss was send MSU to the playoff instead of OSU. The “JT was short” play was 2016 and did cost us a B1G Championship appearance and potentially a playoff bid if we won the B1G.
@@acinemastare Michigan did stop OSU on regulation on 3rd and 15 and the refs threw a flag on an uncatchable pass and gave them a first down to tie the game. Then gave them a first down again on overtime when the game should have been over twice.
@@imkool51391 As for the flag, meh. I honestly cannot recall, I'd have to go back to the game again. But I am tired of the argument that he was given a bad spot, no, he was not. I went through a couple hours of angle and footage, frame by frame in the day between them, and have the best one, then laid it all out via angles. And I saved it stuck in my folder all these years later, and now this comes up again. Yes, he made it, and it is conclusive, previous post of mine has photo. You at least make the argument that it should not have come to that. Ok, I might buy that. But it was not short after that.
First of all, the botched punt vs MSU and “The Spot” against Ohio State were not in the same year. Secondly, even if Michigan won that game against MSU, they would still have losses against Utah and Ohio State knocking them out of the playoff. Thirdly, I could be wrong on this but Michigan wouldn’t of won the division in 2015 because they lost to Ohio State. And Ohio State would’ve had the head to head tiebreaker over them.
Yea, Coward said the N Western was a trap game and there would be a Upset. Then he picked State to beat win. Then he flipped it today. this guy is a Joke! I watch this segment for Klatt cuz he ALWAYS Schools him!!
Colin yesterday: “Tomlin would and should consider the USC job, it’s a big job this is no small school,” Colin today:”is it disrespectful that these rumors surround mike tomlin it’s a small job.”
Klatt is wrong about the 2015 situation. If Michigan punts the ball and beats MSU then Ohio State would have won the division due to their head to head win over Michigan.
Ohio states last 4 games were against akron, rutgers, maryland, and indiana and they haven’t beat a ranked team so I respectfully disagree. however, the rest of their schedule is tough so we’ll see
I wonder if Klatt does these what ifs with other teams or just Michigan? Crqzy how these two have doubled down 7 times over with Harbaugh and just wont let him go.
The problem is all the talk show guys have to double down until they get it right. When harbaugh was hired everyone said he’d win a title by year 4 at the latest, which obviously didn’t happen so they have to do the next best thing, keep doubling down until eventually the law of averages hits and they finally get one right and then they sit on their pedestal with the “I told you so” takes
Awful take by Klatt here, Michigan lost the first game of the Harbaugh error to Utah and finished that year 9-3 with a blowout loss to Ohio state. the next year 2016 is where the "Questionable spot" came into play against Ohio state they went 10-2. You would think people this high up in college football would know a little bit more about this upcoming game as it's the biggest game of the year. Harbaugh has never finished higher than 3rd in the big ten east and the end of the Harbaugh era will begin Saturday
Harbaugh has underperformed in some respects though I don’t know what coach that’s available could Michigan into a national contender in 2-3 years. My general view is consistent winning is under appreciated and for the most part that’s what Harbaugh has brought to Michigan.
But the thing is, what has he won? Consistent winning, but not playing for anything that matters, is unacceptable. Being ok with mediocrity, is unacceptable.
The fumbled punt and botched spot against OSU were not the same year. Fumbled punt was 2015. Still had a chance to go to B1G Champ Game but lost to OSU and instead MSU went and beat Iowa and went to CFP. Botched spot was 2016. That win would have made us 11-1 (loss to Iowa) and we would have played Wisconsin in B1G Champ Game.
2015 they got drilled by OSU and would have been a 3 way tie between OSU, MSU and UM. Highest rank would have won the division and it was OSU. The spot in 16 was correct and obvious live. You can try to change the narrative all you want but like always you’re wrong.
I want both of these clowns away from my team. The Steelers have always made close games with inferior competition, and James Franklin chokes big leads. I mean choking them to OSU and MSU is one thing, but choking it to Illinois in a game where we should've blown them out? While I'm fine with Tomlin for now, I want Franklin away from Penn State.
Everything Joel said on Michigan was a blatant lie. 1. Michigan was 3rd in the big ten east in 2015. Acting like they were going to the CFP if the fumble of the snap didn’t happen is just plainly wrong. 2. The spot against OSU was a completely different year, not the same year of the fumble of the snap against MSU. 3. All of Michigan’s disappointment can be traced to the one snap against MSU in 2015? You’re kidding right? How about last year, losing at home against MSU as -23.5 point favorites? Never finishing above 3rd in the Big Ten East? 0-6 against OSU? Under .500 bowl record? The worst part is that I KNOW Joel know this already. So Michigan fans, ask yourself why Media Members are going on National Radio shows playing revisionist history about your football program? He’s a paid mouthpiece for Michigan football, clear as day.
@@imkool51391 1:28 he literally says if the punt didn’t happen they would’ve won the big ten East. That’s simply not true bro. And they weren’t 3rd just because of that play, they were third because they lost to MSU, and then lost to OSU 42-13. Everything he said was blatantly wrong dude. And I can’t believe no one on set called him out on it.
Michigan almost beat MSU in 2015, Harbaugh has almost won the division, he’s almost got a program QB, he’s almost done a lot of things. You know what “almost” gets you in sports? NOTHING! Go green baby, 27-20 Sparty this weekend
Actually, if Michigan beat Sparty in 2015 and everything else stayed the same, Ohio St. would have won the B1G, not Michigan. OSU thumped UM in Ann Arbor that year. But yes, if that spot in 2016 went their way, UM would have probably won the B1G the next week and made the playoff.
The one play they failed to mention in the Texas-USC title game is Reggie Bush's horrendous first-half fumble on his way to a TD that might have given The Trojans a lead that The Longhorns couldn't overcome.
It’s very bad that Joel said Oregon quarterback Anthony Brown had the ”game of his life” against UCLA when he had 0 passing touchdowns and 2 4th quarter INT’s and the last one damn near cost Oregon the game.
Yeah, let's penalize Cincinnati for their schedule, yet crown Ohio St. for their "revamped" defense that shut down Akron, Rutgers, and QB-less Indiana.
Love Jim Harbaugh. Everyone is so consumed with the whole win now mentality. But he has to compete with OSUs greatest era of the programs history. Patience with Jim is ur best friend, the gap is still pretty glaring between osu but at least we usually compete with every other big ten team.
Still not good enough. When has Ohio St. not been good? Maybe a year here and there, but has been very good since the 70’s. Jim is not here to beat Northwestern, he is here to at least compete with Ohio St. it has not been close except for 2016. In fact it’s embarrassing how much more dominant they are than us. They will crush us by 30 again this year
@@billdoty6438 jay det Maybe our best era south flight ✈️ but truthfully 80s & 90s should have been were still 1-3 every year in hs players as a state former coach & scout here. It’s only because we had sub par coaching Bruce & Cooper BO holtz ‘ paterno that used Ohio as a minor Leauge farm system Michigan had 2 heisman winners within 6 years from Ohio for god sake The culmination @ proof is 2002 when 19-22 starters were from Ohio & we finally got a real coach! That will never happen again any state or program with excellent coaching we win 4-5 nattys in the 80s & 90s Because they would have pretty much put up a wall around Ohio! Now we’re a 5-7 hs talent state South flight I’m a realtor now it’s where half my sellers move!
Not a Steelers fan, and maybe it's just a recent-bias take cuz James Conner wasn't that long ago... but I could see the Steelers taking a mid 1st round flyer on Kenny Pickett to be Big Ben's heir if he is still on the board
@@adrianbuck8772 Just seems like free marketing... hype up the local product same way they rallied behind James Conner. Hopefully Pickett can keep slingin the ball rest of the season
@@mixmasterbdt The timing would just be really good to get any QB. Big Ben very likely gone. An QB class which has doesn't have an guy you want to take with an top 5 pick, but some guys which you could easily talk yourself into at 15 or lower. The roster is good so you can win without an star QB. The devision rivals gonna pay their QBs soon so it's even more lucrative to have an cheap QB because they gonna have to make cuts/let guys leave then. Getting the hometown guy is an added bonus obviously but not more in my eyes.
@@adrianbuck8772 I agree on all fronts. Walking into one of the best ran orgs in the NFL with a good HC, a stud RB, a good WR core, a good def... we'll see
@@mixmasterbdt The o line has to get clearly better. But they have some young guys and most o linemen take some time. Also money to spend in free agency.
Hold on Joel, if the botched punt doesn’t happen they’d still get smacked by Ohio st, that Ohio st team was coming off a national championship, they would have gone to the big ten championship game won the big ten and based on what was on that Ohio st team, they would have won the natty. Just saying mich got smacked by Ohio st that year.
@@User120s they also just pretended like iowa was just a pushover that year too- joel called that b10 champ game, he should know iowa was gonna be a tough out had michigan played them
Michigan’s last second loss against Michigan State was in 2015 and the JT Barrett bad spot loss at Ohio State was in 2016. I don’t think Michigan would have gone to the Big Ten title even with a win over MSU in 2015 but they obviously would have in 2016 without that spot.
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Get over the spot. JH had a poor line of sight to the first down line. The referees were on the line and saw the ball cross the line of gain for a first down. There is no probably about it. Officials were the only ones who could see both the ball and the line.
Close calls like this happen all the time. That is why the toughest job is to be an official because you are guaranteed that half of the fans will be unhappy. If you don't like the calls grab a whistle and join the officiating crew.
I thought Collin said MSU was going to win🤔😂
If Colin says he’s not apart of the media one more time I’m going to lose it
Big j journalist
It cracks me up
Dude fr, it's pissing me off so much lol
It was funny at first but now it's getting ridiculous 🤣
Did you hear him he is "Americans honestly broker".
Joel and Colin: best part of my week
Literally
@@ELMT22 Doug Pederson > belichick
They need a podcast
They’re like a sitcom
Well after my Folgers of course! ☕ 🎶
I love how honest Joel klatt is about Michigan. He talks about the good things and he addresses the bad things but not from a biased standpoint and as a Michigan fan I love it
Well, so much for Michigan’s good things lol. Totally blew that game. Go green though!
Tomlin has the safest Head Coaching job in the NFL regarding how the organization runs things. Why would he want to leave it. He'll be there until he is ready to step down like Cowher did
he is also not nearly as good of a coach as everyone thinks. being black has allowed him to be overhyped af. he is a subpar coach at best
@@chloethacker Mike Tomlin has a winning record of 159-89 regular season, he’s 8-8 in the playoffs ,2 super bowl appearance which he has won 1. But I forgot, black coaches standards are higher and you have to do more. Meanwhile mediocre white coaches get jobs every day.
@@chloethacker Tomlin practically is Belichik. A defensive coach, if he finds a good offensive coordinator they’re contenders
@@chloethacker Saying he's subpar completely discredits any argument you make. BTW I hate the Steelers.
@@chloethacker I hate to say it but I agree. He's literally the Doc Rivers of the NBA. Was surrounded by can't loose talent for years. Basically an extended version of John Gruden's Buccaneers. I don't think he's a bad coach at all but he's overrated.
There was a freshman on the MSU team from Georgetown, KY, #44, who was in on hammering the punter on Michigan. My son was in the band at Scott Co. HS and went to school with him. Still makes me smile remembering my son celebrating that hit and that play.
Joel & Son. Best segment of the week....per usual.
If they had a show each day FS1 would destroy ESPN in ratings.
Wtf lmao surprised to see my fave MCOC youtuber in a cowherd comment section. What is this a crossover episode?
That’s not remotely close to true lol. Would it be more entertaining than ESPN’s programming? Yes.
FS1 can’t even beat ESPN2’s ratings let alone ESPN.
Espn sucks anymore. I quit watching. They try so hard to be "woke"
If Brian Kelly spent his tenure at USC instead of ND he would have at least 1 National champ rn. He is a perfect USC LA guy that brings stability and culture to a place that has all the talent in the world, but no leader
Klatt is my favorite commentator
Joel is by far Colin’s best segment each week.
Michigan is always "if this and if that", and "probably does this or probably does that" lmao.
@peter skrobola No correlation
So many what if’s. Just win lol like all the other top programs.
WDE btw!
Robert Saleh to USC...speak it into existence. Would dominate recruiting.
Colin with his best Jim Mora impression “Playoffs?!”
“Now at that point it was an intramural program”
It was called a first down on the field. The replay was inconclusive. They still had a chance to win in OT.
yup, all excuses. It was also dissected to death showing the ball breaking the marker.
As a Michigan fan, nobody in the media is more fair to Jim Harbaugh than Klatt...and I say that as someone completely underwhelmed by Jim's tenure. He hasn't been nearly as bad as the national perception/talk is but he also has certainly been underwhelming.
He's a proven winner. Resurrected Stanford from the dead, 3 straight NFC Championship games with the 49ers, a Super Bowl he barely lost to his brother, etc. He's a former star player coming back to his Alma Mater that happens to be one of a few CFB programs with endless resources. Very few programs can sincerely spend whatever they need to spend on football and Michigan is one of them. It should have been a perfect match for massive success but it hasn't been.
Yet, he really is 2 snaps away from having a totally different national perception but at the same time he hasn't done the program any favors regarding his ability to field an offense from the 21st century. You won't even catch OSU playing 1980s football, let alone surpass them. Ever. The game has changed and no matter how much he wants to be Bo and grind an opponent into dust, that's not the game in 2021. Defense no longer wins championships, ask Nick Saban. When Saban adapted that should have been the sign for EVERY "old school" HC that it was time to adapt themselves.
Michigan, once a program guaranteed to have an All-Conference (or better) QB every year, hasn't had exceptional QB play in Harbaugh's tenure. His best QB was a one-year transfer from Iowa in his very first season. The rest have been somewhere between awful - average.
Even now his starter is a classic "game manager" QB. He's basically Brian Griese, a guy that is a good backup until they're a Senior-RS Senior and them they're a guy you can win big with. Yet, the guy he has today isn't in his 4th or 5th year. He's still relatively new to P5 quarterbacking and the guy behind him is a bonafide stud. All the tools, only hindrance is his inexperience.
Clemson faced this issue a few years back. They had a QB that was installed into the program and system. He was ready because he waited his turn. Yet, behind him was a kid named Trevor Lawrence. The starter hadn't done anything to lose his job *other than be not as good as Lawrence* so Dabo made the switch. Clemson? You know the story. It was the right move.
Jim Harbaugh won't make that move. He's old-school. He'll make that kid lose his job by losing games before playing the better player. Little things like that have not helped his case at Michigan. Jim refuses to accept that the sport has changed. He wants to be the Michigan coach in 1986, not 2021.
But Harbaugh didn’t max protect on that MSU kick even tho MSU had no one back to return it lol. Extremely poor decision that directly resulted in the loss. Every play matters for head coaches. What a dumb discussion this is.
It wasn't blocked. The punter dropped it. Max protect would likely not have helped
@@tech0585 Whatever makes you sleep better at night bud. I’m sure if Harbaugh could do that play over he’d do max protect.
@@User120s I'm curious to hear your logic behind "max protect and the punter doesn't drop the ball"...
@@synyster__2120 Just because a punt isn’t blocked doesn’t mean the kicker wasn’t impacted by the defenses pressure. Just like Aaron Donald impacts an opposing qbs play with his pressure; he doesn’t have to tip a pass or make a sack to have an impact on the play. I’m sure Blake O’Neil was shitting himself when he saw MSU about to bring everyone while Harbaugh decided it’d be best to send gunners to tackle no one instead of helping handle the pressureO’Neil was about to face. MSU’s pressure for sure helped to create that botched punt and max protect would have helped stop it from happening. Anything else you need help with?
@@User120s nah, I just think it's funny when random commenters think they know more than the people making millions to do these things. Thanks for the laugh. 😂
The only herd segment I watch
Give them a show together
Sucks Colin can only see his Dad every Wednesday
Based on where I believe the Steelers will be drafting in the 2022 draft and this draft not having any real top QB's, Kenny is for sure a possibility for the Steelers if they do decide to draft a QB
I think with the way the Niners are going Kyle Shanahan would be someone USC should go after and it would probably be a fantastic fit
Didn’t expect Pitt love this week!
If "If's" and "butts" were candy and nuts it would be Christmas all year long.
People like slagging on the USC job like it isn't a premier one anymore but there are around 130 schools that play D1 college football. At worst, USC would be just outside the top 10 as far as glamour goes. There are probably only 10-12 schools where if you are in national title contention, the coach wouldn't consider leaving for another school (unless it's an alma-mater situation) and USC is still one of those schools. Name another school west of Texas where the head coaching job would be more desirable. The only one that may come to mind is Oregon and that's just because of it's affiliation with Nike.
Everyone picking Michigan to win. MSU gonna prove the doubters wrong
USC better hire a big name
Everyone remembers the day Barret was short. Such a disaster
LOL. I'm still glad UM fans are salty about this. Once you accept that the correct call happened, you'll heal. Trust me.
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 just ignore the two non biased professionals in the video agree he was short but sure. I’d be upset too if I lived in Ohio. Hate driving through it to get to North Carolina
@@g.t.phillips7759 You assume I live in Ohio and I'll assume you have downsyndrome and are on welfare...Keep on stewing on that game for many more decades to come!
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 haha that’s what I thought chump. Get wrecked!
@@g.t.phillips7759 Hey buddy. How are you feeling? Sorry, your team got owned by Sparty ONCE AGAIN! LMAO
Biggest thing Klatt is missing,
Yes MSU got that fumbled punt snap and turned it around. That's great.
MSU was a walking MASH unit that game and had no business being in the position where that play have mattered. MSU out played Michigan by a long shot just to be in that position. You can boil games down to moments but there's always hundreds of moments that lead up to it.
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Pickett to the Steelers.
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Hot lunch program 😂😂😂
Respect Klatt but tbh the AAC is better than the PAC-12 by miles this year
Why is Joel talking about Michigan's fumble against MSU in 2015, and JT's spot in 2016 as if they happened the same year?
Yeah that was strange. It feels like a made up argument for clicks
They're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to explain away Harbaugh's lousy performance. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
If he had any other name besides Harbaugh , he would've been fired a while ago
Not a Big 10 watcher, not a Michigan or OSU fan, but I don’t particularly care either way. I usually like Klatt which is why I clicked. But this just sounds like a lot of excuses. If, if, if, if. In the end Harbaugh just hasn’t gotten it done yet.
Someone should tell Urban Meyers, in the NFL you don't get to get the biggest kids on the block.
Harbaugh could win 99% of his games, but if he doesn't beat Ohio State they don't care
Colin is talking about the "James Franklin to USC" rumor as if he didn't invent it.
Joel Klatt needs his own mid-week college football show. This segment could be an hour long and I'd still think it would be too short.
He has one on fox sports
Check out Breaking the Huddle. That's his show.
@@stephencalhoun3034 Oooh... Thank you! I'll have to set my DVR to record it.
No. Please no. We do not need another sport talking head show
@@seethe313 lol Michigan fans must be mad
Shame to see these guys not knowing what they’re talking about.. That 2015 year Michigan already had a loss to Utah prior to the Michigan state game and then got blown out per usual against Ohio State at home.. so no they would not have won the big ten nor made the playoff even if they didn’t fumble that punt. Sorry!
The “woah” snap against MSU was 2015, Mich went 6-2 in B1G play, OSU & MSU went 7-1. So if we won that game OSU and Mich would have been 7-1 and I believe OSU would get to the B1G Championship game based on tiebreaker. So, ignoring butterfly effect, all we did with that loss was send MSU to the playoff instead of OSU.
The “JT was short” play was 2016 and did cost us a B1G Championship appearance and potentially a playoff bid if we won the B1G.
You also had more tries to stop OSU in that game and you didn’t. That wasn’t the play that won it for OSU.
@@acinemastare the homer whataboutism strikes again!
Thanks. You saved me a few minutes of explaining. You are absolutely right.
@@acinemastare Michigan did stop OSU on regulation on 3rd and 15 and the refs threw a flag on an uncatchable pass and gave them a first down to tie the game. Then gave them a first down again on overtime when the game should have been over twice.
@@imkool51391 As for the flag, meh. I honestly cannot recall, I'd have to go back to the game again. But I am tired of the argument that he was given a bad spot, no, he was not. I went through a couple hours of angle and footage, frame by frame in the day between them, and have the best one, then laid it all out via angles. And I saved it stuck in my folder all these years later, and now this comes up again. Yes, he made it, and it is conclusive, previous post of mine has photo.
You at least make the argument that it should not have come to that. Ok, I might buy that. But it was not short after that.
Colin “You and I have supported Harbaugh” Cowherd
Facts and Brian Kelly lol
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Joel reminds me of my cool sports talking Uncle when I was a kid. 😂
There is a reason this segment has turned into 15 min each week. Definitely the best
Actually, that is an excuse. You are also assuming they beat OSU.
First of all, the botched punt vs MSU and “The Spot” against Ohio State were not in the same year. Secondly, even if Michigan won that game against MSU, they would still have losses against Utah and Ohio State knocking them out of the playoff. Thirdly, I could be wrong on this but Michigan wouldn’t of won the division in 2015 because they lost to Ohio State. And Ohio State would’ve had the head to head tiebreaker over them.
Point still stands if the spot is correct they are #2 in the country and wins the big ten
@@bryce5209 but I’m not talking about the spot. He said if they beat MSU in 2015 they would’ve made the playoff, which is incorrect.
@@bryce5209 the spot was called correctly lol
Your right. I can’t believe he said this and didn’t realize he was wrong
@@WapitalismandWreedom guessing your a buckeye fan because only Ohio state fans agree with you. Pretty much any neutral party agrees that he was short
The ole Penn State Illinois showdown at The Big House. My favorite game of the year.
I’m going to it!
I would love to be there if I wasn't going to be in East Lansing this weekend (along with the entire state of Michigan!)
Lmfao, wasn’t Colin saying Michigan state would crush us last week?
He said he thought msu would win, but not that they'd crush um
Yea, Coward said the N Western was a trap game and there would be a Upset. Then he picked State to beat win. Then he flipped it today. this guy is a Joke! I watch this segment for Klatt cuz he ALWAYS Schools him!!
Don’t get the James Franklin hype
Colin yesterday: “Tomlin would and should consider the USC job, it’s a big job this is no small school,”
Colin today:”is it disrespectful that these rumors surround mike tomlin it’s a small job.”
Good one. Colin "the Glenn Beck of sports talk " Cowherd used to always say that Matt Nagy was a brilliant offensive coach. 🤣🤣
Glad to see Joel getting in some father-son time with Colin
LOL
Klatt is wrong about the 2015 situation. If Michigan punts the ball and beats MSU then Ohio State would have won the division due to their head to head win over Michigan.
Yep, also that was the year before the JT Barrett spot vs OSU
That depends on how much mental decay occurred after that loss. Michigan punts the ball, wins, then all the sudden you have a different team mentally.
How many times did Joel use the words “if” “probably “ “Likely” discussing Michigan? 200 times? More?
Probably
Likely
OSU fan? JT was short bud.
Less than 5 . You're obviously very bad with numbers. I'm assuming you went to OSU
Klatt’s a bonafide clown. And he’s calling the game on fox this weekend, absolute joke.
I absolutely love their chemistry together. Klatt comes with the facts and Colin is on the comedic relief side while still spitting a couple himself
Talk about Jim underperforming, 37-33 GO GREEN! Eh boys!
Colin "He's there for the hot lunch program" Cowherd 😂
Every coach in the country is using USC/LSU to negotiate giant pay raises.
Ohio states last 4 games were against akron, rutgers, maryland, and indiana and they haven’t beat a ranked team so I respectfully disagree. however, the rest of their schedule is tough so we’ll see
Waiting for this to become "The Herd with Joel Klatt"
I guess Harbaugh's bowl record at Michigan doesn't matter either.
I wonder if Klatt does these what ifs with other teams or just Michigan? Crqzy how these two have doubled down 7 times over with Harbaugh and just wont let him go.
Yeah I mean I guess they’ve made their bed and have to lie in it.
They keep making excuses because Michigan keeps losing lol
The problem is all the talk show guys have to double down until they get it right. When harbaugh was hired everyone said he’d win a title by year 4 at the latest, which obviously didn’t happen so they have to do the next best thing, keep doubling down until eventually the law of averages hits and they finally get one right and then they sit on their pedestal with the “I told you so” takes
Colin's Dad back on The Herd, you love to see it! 😍
Awful take by Klatt here, Michigan lost the first game of the Harbaugh error to Utah and finished that year 9-3 with a blowout loss to Ohio state. the next year 2016 is where the "Questionable spot" came into play against Ohio state they went 10-2. You would think people this high up in college football would know a little bit more about this upcoming game as it's the biggest game of the year. Harbaugh has never finished higher than 3rd in the big ten east and the end of the Harbaugh era will begin Saturday
Did Klatt seriously play the “what if” game with games from 5 and 6 years ago? Sheesh, always gotta make an excuse for Michigan. Such a lazy take
At one point celebrities were going to USC football games, now Cowherd is their biggest booster. 😂😂
Crazy thing all it takes is one winning season for them to be relevant
Harbaugh has underperformed in some respects though I don’t know what coach that’s available could Michigan into a national contender in 2-3 years. My general view is consistent winning is under appreciated and for the most part that’s what Harbaugh has brought to Michigan.
But the thing is, what has he won? Consistent winning, but not playing for anything that matters, is unacceptable. Being ok with mediocrity, is unacceptable.
Urban meyer took a 6-7 buckeyes team and went 12-0
@@michaelholley1361 Even at 6-7, Ohio State was still in a overall better position then Michigan.
@@joelaton1062 you said it not me.
@@joelaton1062 True mediocrity is aiming for 6-6 every year. Michigan is in a better place than 90% of FBS programs.
I remember that Michigan game. That fumbled snap was unbelievable
Should have been a penalty… you can’t bull rush the snapper on a punt like that.
@@okiedokie2894 lol da fuq are you talking bout? Maybe max protect next time instead of sending gunners to tackle nobody.
@@okiedokie2894 you can't try to block a punt? since when xD
The fumbled punt and botched spot against OSU were not the same year. Fumbled punt was 2015. Still had a chance to go to B1G Champ Game but lost to OSU and instead MSU went and beat Iowa and went to CFP. Botched spot was 2016. That win would have made us 11-1 (loss to Iowa) and we would have played Wisconsin in B1G Champ Game.
Colin's dad is back to educate his son
This is great but The Spot is 2016 and the snap is 2015. Point still remains.
That’s the point. Harbaugh is closer to beating msu and osu and winning titles than people think
@@illyaskhan6783 beating MSU yes. OSU? No lol
@@trey4756 I'll stand by my prediction of next year or the year after once Meyers players are completely out.
2015 they got drilled by OSU and would have been a 3 way tie between OSU, MSU and UM. Highest rank would have won the division and it was OSU. The spot in 16 was correct and obvious live. You can try to change the narrative all you want but like always you’re wrong.
Bad spot.
Best segment of any sports show easily.
Rodgers Tuesday’s
I want both of these clowns away from my team. The Steelers have always made close games with inferior competition, and James Franklin chokes big leads. I mean choking them to OSU and MSU is one thing, but choking it to Illinois in a game where we should've blown them out? While I'm fine with Tomlin for now, I want Franklin away from Penn State.
Best part of the week. I love how Colin jokes that he's not apart of the media.
You guys have to be on Michigan payroll
Best 15 minutes of the week right here
Everything Joel said on Michigan was a blatant lie.
1. Michigan was 3rd in the big ten east in 2015. Acting like they were going to the CFP if the fumble of the snap didn’t happen is just plainly wrong.
2. The spot against OSU was a completely different year, not the same year of the fumble of the snap against MSU.
3. All of Michigan’s disappointment can be traced to the one snap against MSU in 2015? You’re kidding right? How about last year, losing at home against MSU as -23.5 point favorites? Never finishing above 3rd in the Big Ten East? 0-6 against OSU? Under .500 bowl record?
The worst part is that I KNOW Joel know this already. So Michigan fans, ask yourself why Media Members are going on National Radio shows playing revisionist history about your football program? He’s a paid mouthpiece for Michigan football, clear as day.
Michigan was 3rd in the east in 2015 BEACAUSE of the punt play. He got his years mixed up but that's literally what he is saying
@@imkool51391 1:28 he literally says if the punt didn’t happen they would’ve won the big ten East. That’s simply not true bro. And they weren’t 3rd just because of that play, they were third because they lost to MSU, and then lost to OSU 42-13. Everything he said was blatantly wrong dude. And I can’t believe no one on set called him out on it.
Oh my gosh 🤦🏽♂️ the USC loss to Texas and the SEA loss to NE are the two worst football losses of my life 😭. Sooooo bitter hahahaha 😂
These are seriously the highlight of my Wednesdays…
Michigan almost beat MSU in 2015, Harbaugh has almost won the division, he’s almost got a program QB, he’s almost done a lot of things. You know what “almost” gets you in sports? NOTHING! Go green baby, 27-20 Sparty this weekend
Yep, Harbaugh has won like one big game at U of M. But I guess that is good enough for U of M...
Actually, if Michigan beat Sparty in 2015 and everything else stayed the same, Ohio St. would have won the B1G, not Michigan. OSU thumped UM in Ann Arbor that year. But yes, if that spot in 2016 went their way, UM would have probably won the B1G the next week and made the playoff.
You two guys together are Great, give us more!!
And…. Michigan lost 😆
The one play they failed to mention in the Texas-USC title game is Reggie Bush's horrendous first-half fumble on his way to a TD that might have given The Trojans a lead that The Longhorns couldn't overcome.
Cal State Fullerton Baseball! Colin Murray "Truth Broker" Cowherd!
It’s very bad that Joel said Oregon quarterback Anthony Brown had the ”game of his life” against UCLA when he had 0 passing touchdowns and 2 4th quarter INT’s and the last one damn near cost Oregon the game.
Bro wtf I was thinking the same thing like what is he even talking about?? I thought I had the games and stats mixed up at first. Smh
Klatt is sick of the “I’m not part of the media” joke lmao
I knew that snap was the imfamous punt. Absolutely de-railed them.
Yeah, let's penalize Cincinnati for their schedule, yet crown Ohio St. for their "revamped" defense that shut down Akron, Rutgers, and QB-less Indiana.
Well, Every G5 team should be penalized for playing nobody's. Why should that be rewarded?
Love Jim Harbaugh. Everyone is so consumed with the whole win now mentality. But he has to compete with OSUs greatest era of the programs history. Patience with Jim is ur best friend, the gap is still pretty glaring between osu but at least we usually compete with every other big ten team.
Still not good enough. When has Ohio St. not been good? Maybe a year here and there, but has been very good since the 70’s. Jim is not here to beat Northwestern, he is here to at least compete with Ohio St. it has not been close except for 2016. In fact it’s embarrassing how much more dominant they are than us. They will crush us by 30 again this year
@@billdoty6438 jay det
Maybe our best era south flight ✈️ but truthfully
80s & 90s should have been were still 1-3 every year in hs players as a state former coach & scout here. It’s only because we had sub par coaching Bruce & Cooper BO holtz ‘ paterno that used
Ohio as a minor Leauge farm system
Michigan had 2 heisman winners within 6 years from Ohio for god sake
The culmination @ proof is 2002 when 19-22 starters were from Ohio & we finally got a real coach! That will never happen again any state or program with excellent coaching we win 4-5 nattys in the 80s & 90s
Because they would have pretty much put up a wall around Ohio!
Now we’re a 5-7 hs talent state
South flight I’m a realtor now it’s where half my sellers move!
You do realize we haven’t had 2 losing season in a row for 100 years 1921-1922
@@billdoty6438 we have been really good since the the late 40s
@@michaeltabor9596 nice info Michael! Thank you
Not a Steelers fan, and maybe it's just a recent-bias take cuz James Conner wasn't that long ago... but I could see the Steelers taking a mid 1st round flyer on Kenny Pickett to be Big Ben's heir if he is still on the board
Steelers should be at an spot in the draft where taking an QB in the first round makes sense.
@@adrianbuck8772 Just seems like free marketing... hype up the local product same way they rallied behind James Conner. Hopefully Pickett can keep slingin the ball rest of the season
@@mixmasterbdt The timing would just be really good to get any QB. Big Ben very likely gone. An QB class which has doesn't have an guy you want to take with an top 5 pick, but some guys which you could easily talk yourself into at 15 or lower. The roster is good so you can win without an star QB. The devision rivals gonna pay their QBs soon so it's even more lucrative to have an cheap QB because they gonna have to make cuts/let guys leave then. Getting the hometown guy is an added bonus obviously but not more in my eyes.
@@adrianbuck8772 I agree on all fronts. Walking into one of the best ran orgs in the NFL with a good HC, a stud RB, a good WR core, a good def... we'll see
@@mixmasterbdt The o line has to get clearly better. But they have some young guys and most o linemen take some time. Also money to spend in free agency.
Hold on Joel, if the botched punt doesn’t happen they’d still get smacked by Ohio st, that Ohio st team was coming off a national championship, they would have gone to the big ten championship game won the big ten and based on what was on that Ohio st team, they would have won the natty. Just saying mich got smacked by Ohio st that year.
Love how they just gloss over UM beating OSU like it’d be nothing lol.
@@User120s they also just pretended like iowa was just a pushover that year too- joel called that b10 champ game, he should know iowa was gonna be a tough out had michigan played them
That punt game and the spot game where two separate seasons.
Late news Colin on James Franklin lol
"Whereas at Michigan State they're excited about what Mel's done in such a short time."
Yeah, because our fanbase is sane.
Here comes the dumb "hehe guys it's Colin and his dad" comments
Michigan’s last second loss against Michigan State was in 2015 and the JT Barrett bad spot loss at Ohio State was in 2016. I don’t think Michigan would have gone to the Big Ten title even with a win over MSU in 2015 but they obviously would have in 2016 without that spot.