I Built the The Machine that Made the Industrial Revolution
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Throughout my quest of building myself up from the Stone Age into my own Industrial Revolution, there is ONE machine that happens to be incredibly crucial - the lathe. Can I build this machine entirely from scratch? Let's find out!
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as a proof of concept it works ...but..... your going to want a "fine adjustment" for your tailstock to keep your work piece secured between the centers . yes you can wrap the rope around the work piece but it will get in the way while working the headstock end if it had a dog points on the face of a pulley rotating on a shaft in the headstock you could attach the work piece between a center and the dogs rotated by the pulley keeping the rope out of the way and with different pulley sizes having more or less rotation speed for a constant leg rhythm. your spring pole thicker probably 2+ inches of hardwood not growing shrubbery ! your probably more effective if the pole is directly over the work piece and tredal unless you like wasting energy holding the lathe down and forward . so as in all your videos yes it can be done but craftsmanship experience and knowledge will take it from it works to i can use it all day everyday and it is easier than any other way to do it ...thanks for the videos
When are you going to make glue? I feel like you have already reached the point when glue was being made.
I will soon hear in an episode "Today we will make a tractor".
@@benkayvfalsifier3817 horses arent cheap we dont keep as many around as we used to ..that means we dont have a surplus of horse hoof around to boil down into glue ..never mind the smell which would probably have neighbours calling police... but yes humans have stuck things to each other since rocks were our tools and htme is in iron age coming up to industrial revolution technologies well past neolithic!
Reminds me of the woodwright shop from pbs
As an english woodsman, the traditional pole lathe would be driven by a single hazel or birch sapling and the rope winding needs to be reversed so you are cutting on the spring stroke not trying to power it with your leg.
I'd add a flywheel and an S-shaped crank between the spring and the pedal, above or below the work piece so that pedal+spring spins the flywheel, leather cord over flywheel spins the work piece.
@@SonsOfLorgar Somewhat misses the point of the portable simplicity of the bodgers pole lathe. Wood-turners (known as bodgers) would work deep in the woods next to the coppicers cutting to make hurdles and basketry, the pole lathe could be quickly cut from raw materials on site, leaving the workman to only carry a rope and his chisels.
and as a tibetan stonemason, i concur. 😁
@@freemanjackmsiradio in fairness if he did that on the tailstock pin, on the outside of the tailstock, and wrapped the string from the poll around the crank, you'd not be carrying much extra for a lot of gain.
@@freemanjackmsiradio It's worth noting that that's that particular scenario, Andy is just trying to build efficient technology so while a bushcraft style lathe is definitely as you described, I am willing to bet that many had came up with more complex designs at the same point in time when this was a relevant technology, and, were more efficient + capable than just a simple portable bushcraft lathe.
So, now that I've finished the video, there are two notes to be made about the overall effect of your lathe.
Both have to do with the setup and stroke of energy.
One: You're short stroking it. Ideally you would have 720 degrees of rotation per stroke, and from the video I'm guessing you're barely getting 370.
Two: You've got the rope putting too much force horizontally on the workpiece. Ideally you would have the vector of energy nearly vertical.
The solution to both of these issues probably lies in using a pulley and counterweight system, rather than a random tree branch. Luckily, now that you have the lathe, making the parts for that upgrade should be simple.
Good to see you back at it.
the actual solution would be using a proper branch, 10-12 feet long and not a flimsy live one
@@jrk1666 That would also help, but he can't exactly pick the thing up, find the perfect tree in the woods and build a shack around it.
@@jono3952 you can cut the branch down and take it with you, it won't lose the springness for 2-3 years of use
Yeah, that lilac wasn't the strongest or springiest branch to use, the pulley and counterweight sounds like a solid plan
@@TheJohtunnBandit its just an overcomplicated solution, the english bodgers used poles to feed the windsor chair industry throughout the industrialization of england and it worked fine
You should make a flywheel, a one way pulling system and a system of pulleys that allows you to release the energy from the springy branch more slowly. This would make working on it much much easier I think.
A flywheel and a pedal crank attached to the spring would be more efficient than the pulley system. (Similiar system used to make thread in the 17th-18th century cottage industry)
I should probably build one of those lathes for myself tbh.
Similar to foot powered pottery wheels
I love treadle lathes! I've always wanted to build one. No pulleys or springs necessary, a crankshaft and a pedal attached to a flywheel will do great on its own.
@@SonsOfLorgar Well, It was hard to make the flywheel and any belt wheels before having THIS lathe. Now that he's got the ability to make some parts, he can upgrade to the treadle lathe with some leather belts to even maybe allow variable speed.
@@JessicaKStark yeah, this is the way. He would only need one belt if the flywheel and crankshaft inversely changed diameter over each other keeping the same tension regardless of belt placement; this would allow simplicity in trading speed for torque and vice versa. I think he just might throw the treadle out completely next time if he can get into water power, but a variable power flywheel is a must for that too
This is the video I've been waiting for on this channel! Lathe is king.
Fyi, you can now cut threads, you don't need a screw lathe to make threads, they can be made with a fork/comb tool. Although you'd need it spinning one way first. Minor issue.
Just what I was thinking. 😁 Then improve the tailstock with the threaded screw.
I once heard a mechanical engineer say "The only tool that can build itself is a lathe"
I also think an interesting update to the period-accuracy "rule" is that, if you can find a version of the tool that was build by hand, it counts as using your OWN tool, because even in history, no one person did it ALL and people specialized and outsourced the making of all things to smaller masters. So, if you found a pull saw that was hand-made instead of a stamped and laser-hardened panel saw, you should be allowed to use THAT tool instead of continuing to be forced to use the one you made.
Yes, but the tool would have to be made using techniques available at the current time he's on. Then again it'd be better than some of the modern tools and stock they're using instead like the forge, lumber and steel. I'd love to see someone actually build their way to industrial revolution with 100% self made and processed tools and stock. It'd probably require a lot of people that 99% would just work on making stock but still.
Very interesting design. I believe Townsends had shown one similar. I like this! BTW, to help with not getting it the issue of it popping out, the tool rest should be slightly below the center of the object being turned. That way when you put your tool on it, the edge would be about center. This allows for it to not get caught. Which makes it safer for you, as flying objects means danger!
townsend probably would as would roy underhill ...springpole lathe i believe is french in origin though
I'm glad that this TURNED out so well!
I love that even after getting your shop burned down you still create stuff.
This was pretty damn cool. Lathes are one of my favorite machine shop tools, and seeing y'all get a tool handle out of this one was neat.
A pretty neat follow up might be figuring out how to make a granite or glass surface plate that's nearly perfectly flat, as well as ways to test flatness.
So near the end Andy was talking about needing a machine powered lathe to turn metal, I don't know the excat road map, but you absolutely can turn metal on a treadle lathe, the step up from a spring pole lathe
The only requirements for turning metal are firm clamping force, and constant forward rotation, HP and torque only matter when your able to produce tools capable of not breaking under the heavy and hot load of metal cutting
And for funsies, one average human is more then capable of producing enough HP and torque to exceed the maximum cutting conditions of a small tungsten carbide insert in steel. 😁😅 I learned that one the hard way on a treadle lathe!
Most badass blacksmith i've ever seen.
One of the guys from Townsends made a very nice one of these, that I think also takes advantage of counterweights to help enforce the springiness.
Good to see you collaborating with Nate!!
"I find it very pleasing making things that make other things"
I completely agree sir. 😄👍
The first thing you Should try to make on this is a mechanism to attach the workpiece to a pulley and have that be what the springy tree spins, so you don't have to deal with a rope wrapped around your workpiece
Nate from the internet, Good and Basic, and HTME in one video wow thats awesome
Watching your recovery from the fire has been fascinating
the lathe is such a massive unlock in the tech tree
so cool!
You just keep getting better and better, can't wait for your first semiconductor fab :D (I'm kinda joking, but seeing how far you've come I also wouldn't be surprised any more).
with a little fiddling you could probably set up a weight at the end of the string instead which would probably be easier to utilise than a sapling
You were indeed able to fashion some sort of rudimentary lathe.
Why the springy tree branches? Step 1: Tie rope to rock. Step 2: Throw rock over some solid structure like a beam or thick tree limb. Step 3: With rock dangling, tie rope to foot or pedal. Step 4: Stomp foot to make lathe go brrr without breaking branches.
As an added bonus, the rock will automatically keep tension on the rope as the piece shrinks.
Step 5, friction frays the rope and cuts into the tree limb.
Step 6: rope or tree limb snaps and either weight falls on lathe or feet or branch falls on lathe and hands or head or all three...
7:53 Someone needs to teach those boys how to tie a clove hitch STAT
A heavy flywheel with a link to the pedal allows it to continue in one direction. Think of old tool sharpeners, sewing machines, ect. The rope should have a separate pulley, and a spring pole can still be used with a flywheel.
one of the biggest upgrades would be using gears, even if made out of wood. use gears to change the RPM and you will get more benefit and less energy loss out of the manual. also a large fly wheel even a sliding bearing one would help keep it rotating. one can also make a shifting fly wheel with water in a tube.
I decide to build a table, or carve a bowl. This man decides to actually recreate the history of human technological/tool use evolution and the industrial revolution. If you end up getting to the time machine level, I'd love to go back to when I was a younger man and have the balls to attempt something this incredible. Love what your doing.
Okay might i suggest watching Roy Underhill on the create channel in which he does the Wood Wrights shop and he will give you a whole lot of ideas on building those primitive shop tools from the quaker days and all of the turn of the century tools.
Don't sell the pole lathe short; I've turned brass on my pole lathe ( a tiny brass goblet). Just put a decent dint in each end. Also, put a few drops of olive oil on the pivots when turning anything, and some on the drive cord. It makes it last a lot longer. Have fun. Cheers from Australia
Flashbacks to Galaxy Quest. "Look around you. Can you see something you can use as a rudimentary lathe?"
YOOOOO if he's advancing 100 years per episode he's gonna make future technology!
Hey Nate, happy to see you in this channel. Hope you build great things and continue to entertain and educate us. While you were with TKOR I had requested you several times to build a pin hole camera, which is a primitive camera. Happy to see you with HOW TO MAKE EVERYTHING guy.
Yep. Still one of the very best channels on TH-cam.
To the blacksmith: much love from another "Dude in Dovetails". Best frikin pants ever.
This series of collaborations has been great.
Greatly anticipating you making a metal lathe. But right now your next step is a screw making machine. And I mean wooden screws like they have in printing presses.
When you get to the industrial revolution, you might want to start with a surface plate.
And when you make a metal lathe, make it big so you can make another lathe using it. Machining progress comes from multiple iterations as technology improves.
Yes, I've been waiting to see this for a long time
I seen a TH-cam channel called Townsend use a spring pull lathe he made a year so back it was pretty neat.
I could see an improvement where you have a fixed pedal and some sort of line adjustment apparatus on the bottom.
It would likely cut better if the wood were drier as well. Give it a few days in the sun with the bark stipped off, maybe even heat it near a fire or in a cooking oven for a bit to get that water out. It would cut even better than what you are getting.
Now I want to make a bow lathe, to go with my regular modern lathe.
Going back to the series of episodes where you made a suit Maybe to have a continuous spin on the work piece you could build one of those machines that are use to spin thread and figure out a way to attach it to the lathe. And there are some versions out there where the spinning motion comes from rocking two foot pedals back and forth
That would use a crank which is possible if you can come up with working bearings.
I think they work the piece by hand before using the lathe... just make it round as possible... amazing video
Great video and such hard work. Comment to help! Looking forward to more great episodes!
Id suggest using bowl blanks for pulleys
Add a side pulley on the side that keeps the rope away from the wood being turned.
The dedication is next level respect to you my man
One CAN do it all!
that's really nice ! may be you can check the flywheel lathe of Mr. Chickadee to have some inspiration ?
Were there not versions of this that used a giant weight and pulleys, or a prepared bow spring (or springs)?
Lower your tool rest until it is along the centerline of the thing being turned... it'll be MUCH easier than what you showed at the end of yours!
Giving the time period your approaching, I think a collaboration with the Townsends channel would be cool to see
I really hope you can perfect your crafts. May your next lathe be even better!
So would the first thing you make with something like this be a pulley to allow you to set up a weight system instead of a spring? That seems like it would be much more convenient and consistant than a sapling
Nice Steele anvil!
I was liturally so interested in making one...now I'm definitely making one
Absolute inspiration
Love the Alec Steele anvil
What a great video, a little bit of work and that lathe should get good quick. One thing that I think would go well with it would be to make a grinding stone for sharpening tools, make it muscle powered or from some simple mechanism like a paddle wheel. Keep up the great work.
mount a flywheel above it, and hook the rope it it and to a pedal thats on a hinge below. so you dont have to even use a tree branch.
Very nice project. As a potential upgrade, you could try using a counter weight system instead of springy branch, since it is really just being used to reset the rotation string.
And an S crank on a flywheel
Might I suggest a Flywheel as one of the first things you make as an upgrade? ;)
This is awesome!
So if the goal of this education is the progression of science to achieve a metal lathe with power to spin the blank, then you could have acquired a lot more of an advance utilizing a draw knife to get you smaller shafts. Then the spinning of those shafts would go much faster with your lathe. You are definitely on a good path with your progression of technology. Once you have a shaft with an ability to create a transmission and speed up the chuck to be able to cut metal.
Was thinking, to make the lathe turn the working piece:
A pedal like the the ones used for pottery: base board, with a hinge and a pedal
Rope: from pedal to the working piece and then up towards a pulley (or just a horizontal pole) which is loaded with a container of water or stones (enough to turn the piece but not so much as to make it impossible to work after a couple minutes)
I remember when this video was called “I Built the The Machine that made the Industrial Revolution”
Still called that.
The good times
@@Bacony_Cakes that’s why we remember it
@@succo_di_re5484 Indeed.
I feel like a loop of rope could be useful to help tighten the workpiece into the lathe.
man hes got one of those alec steel anvils nice, he could maybe chain it up some more, that lil one he got aint cutting it , and get a lil less ring, maybe even a bigger base all together, im sure he knows that tho
With the current rate of progress it won't be too long until HTME is showing us how to knit graphene into a space elevator...
Nice Alec Steele anvil there! :-)
Try making a treddle lathe it’s similar but it only spins one direction
Finally! Progress!
Are there like bearings on the pins that hold the wood or something?
Those perfectly round dowels going into the lathe to make dowels...
I can't believe u've gotten this far in histrory!
love these videos
I'm excited for the day you say "let's make a computer."
why not try making gripping blocks or plates from extra pieces of scrap iron to grip on to the wood and have a indent lightly hammered in on it for spinning the wood you're trying to lathe?
And they probably would have stripped down the branch they're using as a spring so the leaves are not acting as dampers
It’s bloody 2:30 am in Australia
1:30AM in Japan.
How far you have come! Is there a way to make this lathe without iron?
So, while I love your pulley system with the branch, I am wondering why you guys didn't think of a stick with a counterweight or a pulley with weight as the counterweight going up :o wouldn't that be both more precise and easier on the system?
I like that anvil. It's a good brand👍
I have seen lathes with a petal attached to a flywheel. These work more like modern lathes and should be in your tech ability now.
Man's gone from the invention of beer to the industrial revolution 💀
Make a steam powered lathe next.
Next video he's gonna get black lung mining coal lol
When I started to Watch your Videos I noticed That I Start to make Stone blades lol
Make a metal lathe! It is possible to turn metal on the wood lathe but but it is impossible to turn metal to high to the tolerances necessary for a steam engine. I would build a metal lathe and just allow a rest to be attached for wood turning.
I hope the Duke of Random learned something and can make TKOR great again.
Great video! Loved the blacksmith, do they have a YT channel?
How did you have dowels before the lathe?
Can’t wait for when Andy gets to his steam engine.
Time to use this lathe to make a treadle lathe!
Have you ever checked out Mr Chickadee? I believe he has a treadle lathe that is hand made.
Someone for got to heat treat their drill bit. 😂
Us8ng a pulley and weight, you can have a longer yet stroke, and not rely on a green branch that tends to break on ya...
Yooo that's awesome
can't wait to see your metal lathe :D
You guys made a rudimentary lathe!
I wonder how many spring lathe operators over the years have been killed by the tree branch falling on their heads, lol
there is another version where you lift and release a weight to turn the work
Finally! :)