The whole wearing a button that says "ask me how" brings back so many uncomfortable memories. 😅 I'm an introvert. My first job at a pizza shop we all had to wear buttons that said "ask me about our delicious soups!" or "ask me about our homemade dough!" It was my worst nightmare 😂
I make tote bags that are sort of the total opposite of those buttons 🤣 'introverted, but willing to talk about cats', 'introverted, but willing to talk about plants', etc haha
I cannot thank the woman in the first story enough! She did an amazing job telling her co-workers that they should stay away from the MLM. I am a Hispanic woman and it really sucks seeing my people (or anyone) get tricked into these fake promises.
As a bi-lingual person, the good you could do with crediting hanna and cc s. And relay to those in that community. I speak ASL. The deaf are not really a great target for a huge audience, but they as well are vulnerable to targeting their small communities.
Thank you for explaining "retirement"; I am so tired of people using that word when what they really did was quit their previous job. It drives me crazy.
Right, at this time retire is just going to be a synonym for quit, retirement is something completely different and the fact that they keep pushing that narrative is just appalling.
You can feel that Hannah has kids teacher background. In a span of 45 min. she manages to explain so many important things in simple words while reading interesting stories.
Origami Owl had an "owlette" program to get kids as young as 11 to sell their products. They had to have a parent or guardian enrolled with them, but it still felt a bit slimy to me.
The program still exists. The deal is that they are now a part of a collective of mlms that iirc were started by the same founder. The collective is known as think goodness and they still have the "children's entrepreneurship program". I did a research project on children and MLM ads and that update happened during it, roughly 2022
Good for the housekeeper for talking to her coworkers that were targeted!John Oliver's episode was also made available in Spanish, which is awesome. I have shared it with a couple people, my Spanish is very weak.
I don't think I saw the documentary cited, but I think Illuminaunti did a video on herbalife that focussed on the targeting of Hispanic communities - based on them being economically more vulnerable
I love the idea that your baby is karate kicking your ribs because she's full of righteous anger over all the people who are getting victimized by predatory mlm practices.
Being the child of a hoarder really is a hell of its own.... I hate the idea of someone's acquisition addiction consciously being exploited for a few dollars.
It really is hell! My parents were hoarders, and they got recruited into Amway. This was back in the 90s, and they filled our garage with food. My dad is super anti-social and awkward, so he wouldn't do well with sales even with legit products. And what happens when you have stockpiles of poorly sealed food in a filthy garage? Rats! I'm amazed I didn't get any really weird diseases as a child because most of my childhood was spent in homes with rodent infestations.
I reached out to my college daughter (Senior) to recommend your channel. I was very happy to hear that she already watches you and is knowledgeable about MLMs!
When my FB was filled with MLM huns I never understood why makeup huns didn't start a TH-cam channel and do makeup tutorials to sell product. Because makeup tutorials are really popular and you can funnel them right to your product. It wasn't until after I started watching your videos that I realized it wasn't about selling product but recruiting others. Then it all made sense.
Oh my god if someone tried pitching an MLM to me while i was on a queue line, i think i’d die from embarassment. Huge respect to the mousekeeping team for putting up with that while on the clock
Amway has had “reward trips” at Disney also. I know because I had to be in charge of my siblings at the magic kingdom while my parents attended “training”. Yep, what a great reward.
@@nicoleshan6410 I was 16. My sister was 8. She tried to run away when I refused to go on small world. We spent the rest of the afternoon in the hotel waiting for mom and dad because I didn’t want to be the reason my sister was lost at Disney. 😩
A Michael Johnson (the Herbalife Disney guy featured in story 1) is shown in the John Oliver clip, with Johnson trying the argument that corporate jobs are the same as MLMs because there are different levels in management. Oliver counters with the fact those corporate jobs have guaranteed pay and benefits and Disney isn't pressuring you to stockpile Lion King 2 DVDs in your garage.
Omg! You just unlocked a memory of a hun on a crowded public bus calling me out for being overweight and offering to help me! Omg I was mortified. I have no idea what HE was shilling, I got off at the next (and not my) stop.
I had a similar experience. Straight out of college while still looking for a job in my major, which I have now, I was working retail. An MLM hun came up to me as I was setting up the new pricing signs on the shelves for the sale starting the next day so women just comes up in to me. She didn't even introduce herself or anything just took one look at my cheeks, which have dark spots I'm self conscious about, and rudely said "I've got a cream to fix your face let me tell you about it." I didn't say a word & walked away & into an area marked employees only. The huns will stop at nothing to shill their insidious "business opportunity."
There was a Mary Kay convention here in Nashville this weekend. The women in pink were everywhere! I really was hoping someone would try to recruit me so I could say “I’m anti-MLM!”
I grew up in a hoarding house that got worse as the years went on. We FINALLY cleaned it out. THANK GOD but I found out that I have Hoarders on both sides of my parents. Like, why just why,.,., luckily I can throw things away but the rest of my family.... has a hard time. The hoarding story makes me so sad. & I'm a psychology major with a BA, I've found that most Hoarders have significant TRAUMA they need help with. My mom lost a baby before me, my dad has a TBI... Not all Hoarders are as bad as the show... but its PROGRESS OVER PERFECTION.
The speech pathologist that left that field is heartbreaking. There is such a shortage of SLPs. Absolutely devastating. My kids have to do speech therapy via zoom because of this shortage.
Honestly, talking about the relationship of parasocial interactions with recruitment based schemes is a really important conversation to have. I think it doesn't get talked about as often as it should given how detrimental and predatory it can be. So many people are unaware of how that type of relationship can affect them. That would be an excellent video topic for you to go in to, Hannah, if you have the time
I loved the tangent you went on about people thinking that the celebrity is their friend. Followers think that the celebrity / influencer follow them as well especially if sometimes their comments get a few likes. Unfortunately this is where people with mental health issues go down a scary rabbit hole to get close to their celebrity ‘friends’.
Ashley Hebert from the bachelorette was in Arbonne for about six months shortly before announcing her divorce from her husband. I actually unfollowed her shortly after she joined lol it was SO annoying. I'm sure she made a few easy thousand from selling out her followers 😳
I can't imagine those buttons working very well. If I'm on vacation, especially somewhere as expensive as Disney, the last things I'd want to chat about would be "business opportunities" or "weight loss." With the story about the Scentsy hun taking advantage of her mother, the other daughter might want to see if adult protective services might be able to help. I don't know if that's something they have access to or if it falls under their umbrella, but hoarding is a mental illness and it's being exploited, so hopefully they can help.
I’m finding Herbalife pop up on shirts here in Australia like obviously their partnerships are everywhere… but when you start putting there logo on things with companies like Mitsubishi. It is SOOO misleading.. people then think it’s a real good company when obviously the pyramid sticks out like a sore thumb ahah
It's really ironic that they use the word "retire". The nasty surprise that they will get at retirement age is that if you don't put money INTO Social Security, you'll get ZERO Social Security at retirement. I was in MLMs for decades, but it was always just a hobby and I refused to quit my corporate jobs. I have a friend who is almost 70 and she gets NOTHING from Social Security, even though she worked real jobs, but not for long enough. She gets none of the money she put into it because she wanted time and financial freedom. I'm almost 70 and I could live on the Social Security I get, but I CHOOSE to work, but only about 80 hours a month, just to get out of the house and it always leads to an increase in my benefits. There is no freedom in having to work past retirement age. I know a couple where her Scentsy business has been very successful, so she retired her husband. He was in law enforcement, but he's only 35, so he probably won't see a dime of his Social Security. So sad.
yes do it! Every time I hear an Arbonne horror story I get sucked into watching the video "The Arbonne RVP Theme | Anti-MLM Song" and pee myself laughing all over again, it's brilliant!
YES! You could do a whole series of things hotel workers see. I've worked at the front desk and have seen suicides, cheating spouses, drug deals and a convention where everyone stole our blankets, pillows, cribs etc. Anything that wasn't nailed down. Plus another Christmas party a company had where the employees were notified that if security was called on them, they would be fired. All because of the way they acted the previous year at our hoyel and we really didn't wantthem there again.
Your voice also helps ground me. Sometimes I zone out and lose track of what your saying so I rewind quite often, but it’s because your voice is very soothing. I think your baby is going to be so chill from listening to you in the womb 😊
Hearing you talk about your baby girl’s karate kicks made my postpartum hormones crazy and made me cry! My baby boy just arrived 6 days ago, and he’s everything I could’ve ever hoped for! But I do miss those big kicks and feeling him so close to me. Enjoy this time mama! Those last few weeks are going to be VERY hard, but your reward will be your little miracle girl ❤❤❤
Imagine being a young child so excited because you believe that your parents are taking you to Disneyworld/land, and being completely crushed when you realize you don’t get to go to the theme park and have to stay in a hotel all day listening to people talk about pills and supplements.
I find it so interesting and humorous tht mlm " huns" get pissed wen people in their downline quit the "business". If it would be a REAL business ur inner self would most likely be happy cause tht would mean more business for ur REAL business.
for xmas i got a gift in a doterra box and that moment of fear before i opened the box... unparalleled. thankfully the box was just reused and it wasnt product but man
Hannah, I don't know if it's the company the first letter talked about but the MLM called Olbali might be the one she is talking about. Menstruation products are one of their main products. Not a lot has been made about Olbali.
I was one of the disney kids who had to wait for my dad's mlm "gala" (yes, it was a fancy event. I was forced into very fancy clothes against my will) to be able to enter the park. Luckily, it was a multi day event, so it's not the worst thing but that was one of my least favourite memories. I should send in my horror stories... my dad was... wild
This poor girl in story #5! The one with the social anxiety, no money, no car, and no internet…. I worked for an entertainment retail based retail company and would conduct interviews for potential new hires…. If anyone was every that open and honest with me about their situation, that they were struggling like that I would tell them that the company probably wouldn’t be the best fit for them. I cannot believe how the MLM hun took advantage of her. It breaks my heart! I hope this girl is doing better! ❤
MLM retirement…I was a nanny for a wealthy family that was high in ranking to a major mlm. Due to their ranking they went to training seminars out of town 2-3 times per month (usually a th-m) I had charge over a 9,7,4, and 4 mo old children. I did EVERYTHING. Drove the mom suburban to Karate, gymnastics, dance, church group, carpool, etc. I also helped with homework, chores, all meals. I was basically a mom of 4 that had to get up in the middle of the night with the baby and still get up and get everyone fed and ready for school at 7:30. Here’s the thing that never sat well with me: their company sells the idea that you can “retire” and have more freedom with your time so you can spend it with your family. I was spending ALOT of time with their kids while they were still working So I couldn’t grasp that concept they were selling. I loved the kids and the job was fulfilling. It actually gave me great experience to be a mom. I remember thinking my first baby was easy after being a “mom” to 4 kids.
I know a woman who did Pure Romance full time. She had it plastered all over her car. It was weird because we volunteered with kids and when the kids saw it on her car they would ask what it was. 🙈
During a Live Stream, DeeCee went down a rabbit hole & found a feminine product mlm. I can't remember the name, though. 😹 Edit: I remembered! The mlm company DeeCee found was Olbali. It sells coffee, supplements, hair care, & feminine hygiene products.
I've had a deep loss this year and almost a second. We lost our 32 year old 'adopted' daughter tragically in September. My husband almost died from Flu A in December. It has triggered my anxiety and tendency for panic attacks in a big way. I frequently put your play lists on at night when I'm having trouble sleeping. One of 2 things is going to happen. I'm going to be caught up in the anti MLM stories and feel like I'm learning something - which distracts me from the anxiety. OR I fall asleep because my anxiety has been distracted from. Your #1 story writer is not the only one who relies on your voice for calming.
As someone who has a mother with hoarding issues,that one story makes me so angry. Like, my mother hoards things badly enough without someone actively pitching it to her. I feel so badly for Cassie.
Plexus almost got me yesterday. This time of year everyone is trying to lose weight. A reel popped up on my feed about "joyome" collagen and protein. Well I'm always in search of good protein but it was suspicious. I googled joyome and sure enough, it's plexus. But the key words were there so it made me think it was an mlm product. Stay vigilant. These ppl are sneaky. Thanks for what you and Chelsea do!
Oh that brings back a memory! When I first started at the Pacific Science Center as a young women in the 1980s anyone who worked directly with visitors had to wear huge yellow buttons that said "Ask me!" on them. Can you imagine the comments I got from teenage boys? And a few non teenage boys...
Betting on zero is what made me aware of Herbalife clubs that I was frequenting and after I watched it I never went back. And have been anti mlm ever since. Highly recommend
Will never forget my mother being tricked into a tupperware party (I found the concept odd even as a 9 yo) by the mother of my biggest bully no less who started bullying me for no reason when I was 6 but got worse after I declined a Tupperware flyer because ‘mom has enough storage from IKEA already’ 😂🙈
That is A LOT of Scentsy!!! That is so so sad!!! Also, as an ex-Scentsy consultant I was guilty of asking my mom to order every month 🤦♀️ UGHHH....I still feel so guilty about it!
When I was in MLM, I was told to wear my button upside down. Because people won't actually stop and ask you about your business, but they will stop you and tell you your button is upside down.
There's a supplement store in the small town I currently live in. I always got a weird feeling about it and would rather, gas prices what they are, drive 60 miles to the next supplement shop. I found out today that it is an Herbalife store. They've started hosting vendor events, that's why I finally looked them up.
Oh god, the rib kicking at the end of pregnancy. At the end of mine, my daughter used to smash her butt repeatedly so hard against my ribs, I was lucky she didn't break any. Hope you have a safe last months and a delivery.
My daughter would get hiccups at least once a day, with her head bashing against my bladder every time. At least the patients came to recognize the "uh oh gotta go" look pretty quickly and cleared a path. Men at inpatient treatment are the biggest mother hens I've ever seen.
I was walking to work one day and right as I got to the parking lot, I saw a car in one of the parking spaces with the words Pure Romance written on the back window. First time I had seen that particular one out in the wild.
It is better to just say, "I don't want to," rather than give a reason why you don't want to be in an MLM. Not having the "want" is reason enough, and they can't counter argue how you feel.
I agree that listening to you is calming and great for my ADHD. U tend to talk quickly which keeps my attention, no loud noises or change in sound level and no bright colors. All those things are major things I look for when listening. Whether I'm going to sleep or driving my deliveries--you are a top binge!
Having a hard day with my toddler and I was so excited to see you posted a new video. It made my day a little better. Now I’m eating my lunch, and sitting down to watch. ❤
John Oliver mentions that Herbalife CEO in his MLM episode, and he shows a clip where this man tries to explain that Herbalife isn't a pyramid scheme by saying "Michael Eisner is also on the top of a "pyramid", so how is Herbalife any different?" 🤦♀🙄 Highly recommend John Oliver's piece to anyone that hasn't seen it.
Oh god I remembered my brother got into a feminine product MLM years ago, but it was short lived. I was suffering through undiagnosed endometriosis, so I bled through everything. He tried to sell me on the absorbency without the dangerous fillers or whatever. But the price was way too steep for someone who needed more than normal to get through a day. I’ll see if I can get the name of that company out of him, this had to have been at least a decade ago.
wow, I know mlm bros are less known than the huns, and if dealing in makeup was challenging enough for the mlm bros, dealing in 'feminine hygiene' products - wow that is a big ask.
@@themurdernerd oh yeah, at the time he was mainly working as a plumber, so I don’t think anything about menstruation would have been shocking to him. The mlm stuff was always confusing to me because it was always short lived, but he’s been trying to get a stream of passive income his whole life and I guess he realized the mlms weren’t the easy money he was probably promised.
Ah yes! It was Aleida. She got out and couldn't get a job in a hair/nail salon and got roped into Herbalife, and used the bottles to smuggle drugs into the prison (via her prison guard boyfriend) to make some real money.
Oh man that last one reminded me so much like my own wild hun encounter. Oh, so you hate being on camera, are terrible when put in sales positions, are exceedingly socially awkward, and dislike traveling? You sound like you would be perfect for my travel MLM!
The first story you got about herbalife and housekeeping, i so agree with this person's comment on your voice. It is really grounding and nice. I personally do a lot of crafts like knitting/embroidery/crochet/sewing, and it's always a delight to hear you talk and read these stories as i work. Really soothing. I hope you have a nice day, ahah
Mention of panic attacks and watching and I relate. I have an anxiety disorder and struggle to sleep. I play you and one other TH-cam channel's playlists when I know I need to sleep. Cos it's contect I care about but dont need to watch visually. I watch everything new you come out with and use your old content to nod off to
I know a guy who was selling scentsy stuff. I told him it was a pyramid scheme. He said “no it’s not!” Then I said it’s an MLM and he goes “NO!” And then I said you literally know nothing about this company. And googled it and showed him it was an MLM/pyramid scheme. Smfh.
Wha?! I really could've sworn that Disney had been going after Scentsy for copyright/brand violations, and that was why their Disney themed stuff was always a "limited edition" type of thing! I guess I was wrong! 😳
I wish this was a podcast too because I like listening to you when I work but on days I go into the office I don’t out on TH-cam but I do listen to podcasts all day.
Omg I seriously tell my clients (I'm a hairstylist) all about your channel and I have even said your voice and how you speak, just seems so comfortable to me, and I'll listen even while I'm not really listening for whatever mood I'm dealing with. 😂 Like the other said....feels like I'm chatting with a friend.
A hun from Market America pitched me pads that were “created by a doctor who’s wife died of cancer (maybe ovarian, I don’t remember) because she used regular store bought products “ . They were better bc were “individually wrapped “ and free of chemicals. Also she recommended panty liners to be put in the shoes to detox the feet!
wow. I know there is the eco approach to menstruation, but frankly here in the UK the mass market single use products all come 'individually wrapped' So what did this product offer that was different? I get repeated youtube/facebook adverts for the 'detox' pads for feet, just because they change colour does not mean that your liver is not doing all the work you need regarding detoxing.
@@PaigeAshleighB probably in the last 20 in UK. My first purchases as a teen were not, but pretty soon after were - the idea being that the wrapper from the new can be used to wrap the used before putting in bin
As someone who has worked in housekeeping for the past 10 years, I'd rather scrub toilets and mop floors rather than face the pressure of the MLM monthly grind.🎉 My job has good pay & benefits.
I wonder if they wear the button because people will look, see if it's a disney one to congratulate but then get sucked into a conversation about what the button really is. UGH that would be so awkward.
I remember going to the Jamberry conference at a Disney resort in 2016. We were all advised many times before the event that we were not allowed to give out samples or attempt to sell or recruit on the hotel grounds as well as any of the parks or we may be kicked out of our hotel.
Adding to ‘they have you cornered when you can’t just walk away’… it is not the case of you are working and gotta finish. But mainly the training and customer service rules these places are obsessed with and will make you stand and listen no matter what. It will be considered ‘rude’ to walk away and could destroy their magical experience. And BOOM you are fired 😂
I know this is a year after the video, but I wanted to share. In 2010 I was a TW Hon and we had our annual convention , Jubilee, at Disney. We stayed in one of the Disney hotels and had our meetings in the hotel. Tupperware s headquarters is in Orlando.
The reason these companies officially wait until you are 18 is because in most states in the US, contracts with those 17 and younger are voidable, as people under 18 are not considered capable of entering into a contract. They might sign up and do well, but they could not be bound to any of the terms if they just wanted to walk away, so the risk is too high to the upline.
for the first story, i wonder if reps were encouraged to make a mess in their rooms to sort of help grind down the housekeeping staff as a prep for their pitch. seems kinda crazy that they consistently spill powders everywhere
The scentsy rep selling to her mother and refusing to listen was so frustrating. When my stepmom was sick with AML, my brothers and I would go by the house and check in on stuff (despite living 5 hours away & having to struggle for the time to go up - her natural kids all lived very close). My stepbrother was big in MLMs, and her house was full of massive stocks of odd brand cleaning products. We were numb to the signs, but her neighbor was livid at the realization that someone had been using a kind hearted woman to maintain rank.
Hi Hannah, had a good laugh at the pictures of Zeke on the changing table (from some videos ago). We are expecting our first in the beginning of Feb. When we set up our changing table, our cat took to it right away, too! It is now his spot to sleep on at night.
re college vs Mlms. Totally agree that mlms are a bad option. however (and not in US context) going to Uni for the sake of getting a degree is not the only option. vocational training is as valuable as the academic studies. My dad worked as a careers advisor at high schools and was keen to affirm the non academic as equally valid options. In Uk there has been a push to increase the number of people in university courses, as if everyone is suited to this or that the academic route is better than vocational training. My dad was always keen to point out that when you have a leak you are not bothered about who has a degree, only if if they know what they are doing to fix your leak.
Me: Great, a horror stories video! I really want to watch it, but I should save it for when I'm being productive because it's so good for listening to! Also me: Well after searching for three seconds, I can't find anything to watch while I eat lunch, now I HAVE to put on Hannah and the horror stories! 😂😂
The clean feminine product thing is something I tried to look into but could not find anything on it. I don't recall the name of the product either but I saw a tiktok about it claiming there was ink in the ones you buy from the store.
You’ve become my nightly comfort as well I put on the the MLM horror stories. You’re just so calm 😊 obviously I can’t fall asleep to any new episodes because I so excited 😆
In reference to the last story, and Hanna’s comments about recruiting preferences. I got sucked into an mlm a few years back and was always told that “inviting” absolutely everyone to the “opportunity” is essential because it’s a numbers game. Most will say no, a few will sign up and every once in a while you’ll luck into a “unicorn” (yes they called it that). A person who is all-in and successful at recruiting too. 🤮
It’s funny how you were reading that story from that commentator and that she had commented that your voice is very soothing. I have to admit I really love your channel a lot! I suffer from extreme anxiety and horrendous insomnia so when I can’t sleep I just put on the playlist that you have an after an hour or two I find that I am nodding off because of your calming way of storytelling.Your voice has a quality that is very soothing and comforting(if you didn’t know.)
Completely unrelated. You have the most soothing, calming voice. Never had I had someone’s voice ease my anxiety. Without sounding creepy.. I fall asleep listening to your videos every night. Playing on a loop. It’s helped me more than you’ll ever know. Truly…For this, I thank you.
These are the perfect laundry folding stories, man. Makes me feel like I’m chatting and swapping stories with friends while doing monotonous chores. 🥰
I also love these videos for cooking, washing dishes, cleaning the house, etc. So nice to listen to in the background
Listening while working on a sewing project over here!
Yes! That’s exactly how it feels. I love these videos for laundry folding. 😊
I listen usually while cleaning and today, while making brunch, lol.
Pretty much any mundane house task… often watch while doing dishes and laundry myself
The whole wearing a button that says "ask me how" brings back so many uncomfortable memories. 😅 I'm an introvert. My first job at a pizza shop we all had to wear buttons that said "ask me about our delicious soups!" or "ask me about our homemade dough!" It was my worst nightmare 😂
I make tote bags that are sort of the total opposite of those buttons 🤣 'introverted, but willing to talk about cats', 'introverted, but willing to talk about plants', etc haha
I cannot thank the woman in the first story enough! She did an amazing job telling her co-workers that they should stay away from the MLM. I am a Hispanic woman and it really sucks seeing my people (or anyone) get tricked into these fake promises.
As a bi-lingual person, the good you could do with crediting hanna and cc s. And relay to those in that community. I speak ASL. The deaf are not really a great target for a huge audience, but they as well are vulnerable to targeting their small communities.
Thank you for explaining "retirement"; I am so tired of people using that word when what they really did was quit their previous job. It drives me crazy.
totally
Right, at this time retire is just going to be a synonym for quit, retirement is something completely different and the fact that they keep pushing that narrative is just appalling.
Mary Kay hun once tried to convince me that she had retired her farmer husband.... Ma'am.... farmers never stop working....
@@adrianghandtchi1562 Well to be fair most millenials and gen z won’t be able to retire so we have changed the word meaning.
They like to say I want to "retire my husband" or "retire my wife." Ugh! 🙄
You can feel that Hannah has kids teacher background. In a span of 45 min. she manages to explain so many important things in simple words while reading interesting stories.
Origami Owl had an "owlette" program to get kids as young as 11 to sell their products. They had to have a parent or guardian enrolled with them, but it still felt a bit slimy to me.
The program still exists. The deal is that they are now a part of a collective of mlms that iirc were started by the same founder. The collective is known as think goodness and they still have the "children's entrepreneurship program". I did a research project on children and MLM ads and that update happened during it, roughly 2022
I could see MLM moms exploiting their children with this unfortunately
Good for the housekeeper for talking to her coworkers that were targeted!John Oliver's episode was also made available in Spanish, which is awesome. I have shared it with a couple people, my Spanish is very weak.
I don't think I saw the documentary cited, but I think Illuminaunti did a video on herbalife that focussed on the targeting of Hispanic communities - based on them being economically more vulnerable
@@helenr4300 You mean iilluminaughtii right? Just checking in case someone wants to look her up
@@tonichan89 yep - just couldn't spell it
I love his segment on mlms. Imho it’s the gold standard
@@helenr4300 its last week tonight-mlm! john oliver is excellent, cites his sources, and doesn't have many, slimey, plagiarism accusations :)
I love the idea that your baby is karate kicking your ribs because she's full of righteous anger over all the people who are getting victimized by predatory mlm practices.
The First AntiMLM Avenger!
Being the child of a hoarder really is a hell of its own.... I hate the idea of someone's acquisition addiction consciously being exploited for a few dollars.
It really is hell! My parents were hoarders, and they got recruited into Amway. This was back in the 90s, and they filled our garage with food. My dad is super anti-social and awkward, so he wouldn't do well with sales even with legit products. And what happens when you have stockpiles of poorly sealed food in a filthy garage? Rats! I'm amazed I didn't get any really weird diseases as a child because most of my childhood was spent in homes with rodent infestations.
@@Lady-Lilith I'm so sorry to hear that! I hope you're living in a safer space now.
I wonder if she's doing this for revenge
Yes, I grew up with a mom with many hobbies and who was creative. It's hard to live in a messy house. Thank goodness she was never in an MLM long.
@bib4eto656 I am now a minimalist clean freak haha. And yes, much better off not living with hoarder parents.
I reached out to my college daughter (Senior) to recommend your channel. I was very happy to hear that she already watches you and is knowledgeable about MLMs!
Yayyyy, that's amazing! So happy to hear that, and thanks for the support!
Right on! That is where they begin to sneak into people's lives. Good job being proactive even if she was already aware.
When my FB was filled with MLM huns I never understood why makeup huns didn't start a TH-cam channel and do makeup tutorials to sell product. Because makeup tutorials are really popular and you can funnel them right to your product.
It wasn't until after I started watching your videos that I realized it wasn't about selling product but recruiting others. Then it all made sense.
There were heaps of younique huns on TH-cam back in the day.
The problem with doing makeup tutorials with MLM products is that most of them are garbage.
@@HeatherSchrivener-el2mxand most of the hons are terrible at actually doing makeup!
Oh my god if someone tried pitching an MLM to me while i was on a queue line, i think i’d die from embarassment. Huge respect to the mousekeeping team for putting up with that while on the clock
Amway has had “reward trips” at Disney also. I know because I had to be in charge of my siblings at the magic kingdom while my parents attended “training”. Yep, what a great reward.
A Disney nightmare!
@@nicoleshan6410 I was 16. My sister was 8. She tried to run away when I refused to go on small world. We spent the rest of the afternoon in the hotel waiting for mom and dad because I didn’t want to be the reason my sister was lost at Disney. 😩
A Michael Johnson (the Herbalife Disney guy featured in story 1) is shown in the John Oliver clip, with Johnson trying the argument that corporate jobs are the same as MLMs because there are different levels in management. Oliver counters with the fact those corporate jobs have guaranteed pay and benefits and Disney isn't pressuring you to stockpile Lion King 2 DVDs in your garage.
Omg! You just unlocked a memory of a hun on a crowded public bus calling me out for being overweight and offering to help me! Omg I was mortified. I have no idea what HE was shilling, I got off at the next (and not my) stop.
I had a similar experience. Straight out of college while still looking for a job in my major, which I have now, I was working retail. An MLM hun came up to me as I was setting up the new pricing signs on the shelves for the sale starting the next day so women just comes up in to me. She didn't even introduce herself or anything just took one look at my cheeks, which have dark spots I'm self conscious about, and rudely said "I've got a cream to fix your face let me tell you about it." I didn't say a word & walked away & into an area marked employees only. The huns will stop at nothing to shill their insidious "business opportunity."
There was a Mary Kay convention here in Nashville this weekend. The women in pink were everywhere! I really was hoping someone would try to recruit me so I could say “I’m anti-MLM!”
Why wait for them to come to you?! THEY don't! 😂
I grew up in a hoarding house that got worse as the years went on. We FINALLY cleaned it out. THANK GOD but I found out that I have Hoarders on both sides of my parents. Like, why just why,.,., luckily I can throw things away but the rest of my family.... has a hard time. The hoarding story makes me so sad. & I'm a psychology major with a BA, I've found that most Hoarders have significant TRAUMA they need help with. My mom lost a baby before me, my dad has a TBI... Not all Hoarders are as bad as the show... but its PROGRESS OVER PERFECTION.
The speech pathologist that left that field is heartbreaking. There is such a shortage of SLPs. Absolutely devastating. My kids have to do speech therapy via zoom because of this shortage.
It's a great career! And so hard to get into. I'd happily take her spot in grad school if she's not going to use her degree!
Honestly, talking about the relationship of parasocial interactions with recruitment based schemes is a really important conversation to have. I think it doesn't get talked about as often as it should given how detrimental and predatory it can be. So many people are unaware of how that type of relationship can affect them. That would be an excellent video topic for you to go in to, Hannah, if you have the time
Already have a video on this topic in the works!
@@HannahAlonzo absolute queen 👑👑
I loved the tangent you went on about people thinking that the celebrity is their friend. Followers think that the celebrity / influencer follow them as well especially if sometimes their comments get a few likes. Unfortunately this is where people with mental health issues go down a scary rabbit hole to get close to their celebrity ‘friends’.
Ashley Hebert from the bachelorette was in Arbonne for about six months shortly before announcing her divorce from her husband. I actually unfollowed her shortly after she joined lol it was SO annoying. I'm sure she made a few easy thousand from selling out her followers 😳
I can't imagine those buttons working very well. If I'm on vacation, especially somewhere as expensive as Disney, the last things I'd want to chat about would be "business opportunities" or "weight loss."
With the story about the Scentsy hun taking advantage of her mother, the other daughter might want to see if adult protective services might be able to help. I don't know if that's something they have access to or if it falls under their umbrella, but hoarding is a mental illness and it's being exploited, so hopefully they can help.
Yes, the Scentsy story sounds like either social services or a lawyer should be involved. It's exploitation plain and simple.
I’m finding Herbalife pop up on shirts here in Australia like obviously their partnerships are everywhere… but when you start putting there logo on things with companies like Mitsubishi. It is SOOO misleading.. people then think it’s a real good company when obviously the pyramid sticks out like a sore thumb ahah
It's really ironic that they use the word "retire". The nasty surprise that they will get at retirement age is that if you don't put money INTO Social Security, you'll get ZERO Social Security at retirement. I was in MLMs for decades, but it was always just a hobby and I refused to quit my corporate jobs. I have a friend who is almost 70 and she gets NOTHING from Social Security, even though she worked real jobs, but not for long enough. She gets none of the money she put into it because she wanted time and financial freedom. I'm almost 70 and I could live on the Social Security I get, but I CHOOSE to work, but only about 80 hours a month, just to get out of the house and it always leads to an increase in my benefits. There is no freedom in having to work past retirement age. I know a couple where her Scentsy business has been very successful, so she retired her husband. He was in law enforcement, but he's only 35, so he probably won't see a dime of his Social Security. So sad.
I really need to send in my Arbonne horror story. 😩
Do it!!! I love hearing about Arbonne specifically because it’s huge in my area
Please do!
yes do it! Every time I hear an Arbonne horror story I get sucked into watching the video "The Arbonne RVP Theme | Anti-MLM Song" and pee myself laughing all over again, it's brilliant!
YES! You could do a whole series of things hotel workers see. I've worked at the front desk and have seen suicides, cheating spouses, drug deals and a convention where everyone stole our blankets, pillows, cribs etc. Anything that wasn't nailed down. Plus another Christmas party a company had where the employees were notified that if security was called on them, they would be fired. All because of the way they acted the previous year at our hoyel and we really didn't wantthem there again.
Your voice also helps ground me. Sometimes I zone out and lose track of what your saying so I rewind quite often, but it’s because your voice is very soothing. I think your baby is going to be so chill from listening to you in the womb 😊
Your horror stories are the the most horrible/fascinating in the space, and your commentary is spot-on
Hearing you talk about your baby girl’s karate kicks made my postpartum hormones crazy and made me cry! My baby boy just arrived 6 days ago, and he’s everything I could’ve ever hoped for! But I do miss those big kicks and feeling him so close to me. Enjoy this time mama! Those last few weeks are going to be VERY hard, but your reward will be your little miracle girl ❤❤❤
Congratulations and best wishes on your new little son!
Imagine being a young child so excited because you believe that your parents are taking you to Disneyworld/land, and being completely crushed when you realize you don’t get to go to the theme park and have to stay in a hotel all day listening to people talk about pills and supplements.
I find it so interesting and humorous tht mlm " huns" get pissed wen people in their downline quit the "business". If it would be a REAL business ur inner self would most likely be happy cause tht would mean more business for ur REAL business.
Thank u for doing the work u do Hannah ! U are a favorite .
for xmas i got a gift in a doterra box and that moment of fear before i opened the box... unparalleled. thankfully the box was just reused and it wasnt product but man
Hannah, I don't know if it's the company the first letter talked about but the MLM called Olbali might be the one she is talking about. Menstruation products are one of their main products. Not a lot has been made about Olbali.
I was one of the disney kids who had to wait for my dad's mlm "gala" (yes, it was a fancy event. I was forced into very fancy clothes against my will) to be able to enter the park. Luckily, it was a multi day event, so it's not the worst thing but that was one of my least favourite memories. I should send in my horror stories... my dad was... wild
This poor girl in story #5! The one with the social anxiety, no money, no car, and no internet…. I worked for an entertainment retail based retail company and would conduct interviews for potential new hires…. If anyone was every that open and honest with me about their situation, that they were struggling like that I would tell them that the company probably wouldn’t be the best fit for them. I cannot believe how the MLM hun took advantage of her. It breaks my heart! I hope this girl is doing better! ❤
MLM retirement…I was a nanny for a wealthy family that was high in ranking to a major mlm. Due to their ranking they went to training seminars out of town 2-3 times per month (usually a th-m) I had charge over a 9,7,4, and 4 mo old children. I did EVERYTHING. Drove the mom suburban to Karate, gymnastics, dance, church group, carpool, etc. I also helped with homework, chores, all meals. I was basically a mom of 4 that had to get up in the middle of the night with the baby and still get up and get everyone fed and ready for school at 7:30.
Here’s the thing that never sat well with me: their company sells the idea that you can “retire” and have more freedom with your time so you can spend it with your family. I was spending ALOT of time with their kids while they were still working So I couldn’t grasp that concept they were selling. I loved the kids and the job was fulfilling. It actually gave me great experience to be a mom. I remember thinking my first baby was easy after being a “mom” to 4 kids.
I know a woman who did Pure Romance full time. She had it plastered all over her car. It was weird because we volunteered with kids and when the kids saw it on her car they would ask what it was. 🙈
I would love to see a dedicated video to celebrities in mlms, seems like an unexplored topic that could really bring some things to light
During a Live Stream, DeeCee went down a rabbit hole & found a feminine product mlm. I can't remember the name, though. 😹
Edit: I remembered! The mlm company DeeCee found was Olbali. It sells coffee, supplements, hair care, & feminine hygiene products.
I've had a deep loss this year and almost a second. We lost our 32 year old 'adopted' daughter tragically in September. My husband almost died from Flu A in December. It has triggered my anxiety and tendency for panic attacks in a big way. I frequently put your play lists on at night when I'm having trouble sleeping. One of 2 things is going to happen. I'm going to be caught up in the anti MLM stories and feel like I'm learning something - which distracts me from the anxiety. OR I fall asleep because my anxiety has been distracted from. Your #1 story writer is not the only one who relies on your voice for calming.
As someone who has a mother with hoarding issues,that one story makes me so angry. Like, my mother hoards things badly enough without someone actively pitching it to her. I feel so badly for Cassie.
just as i get on a treadmill god bless
Plexus almost got me yesterday. This time of year everyone is trying to lose weight. A reel popped up on my feed about "joyome" collagen and protein. Well I'm always in search of good protein but it was suspicious. I googled joyome and sure enough, it's plexus. But the key words were there so it made me think it was an mlm product. Stay vigilant. These ppl are sneaky. Thanks for what you and Chelsea do!
Oh that brings back a memory! When I first started at the Pacific Science Center as a young women in the 1980s anyone who worked directly with visitors had to wear huge yellow buttons that said "Ask me!" on them. Can you imagine the comments I got from teenage boys? And a few non teenage boys...
Betting on zero is what made me aware of Herbalife clubs that I was frequenting and after I watched it I never went back. And have been anti mlm ever since. Highly recommend
Will never forget my mother being tricked into a tupperware party (I found the concept odd even as a 9 yo) by the mother of my biggest bully no less who started bullying me for no reason when I was 6 but got worse after I declined a Tupperware flyer because ‘mom has enough storage from IKEA already’ 😂🙈
That is A LOT of Scentsy!!! That is so so sad!!!
Also, as an ex-Scentsy consultant I was guilty of asking my mom to order every month 🤦♀️ UGHHH....I still feel so guilty about it!
When I was in MLM, I was told to wear my button upside down. Because people won't actually stop and ask you about your business, but they will stop you and tell you your button is upside down.
There's a supplement store in the small town I currently live in. I always got a weird feeling about it and would rather, gas prices what they are, drive 60 miles to the next supplement shop. I found out today that it is an Herbalife store. They've started hosting vendor events, that's why I finally looked them up.
Oh god, the rib kicking at the end of pregnancy. At the end of mine, my daughter used to smash her butt repeatedly so hard against my ribs, I was lucky she didn't break any. Hope you have a safe last months and a delivery.
I broke my mom's ribs when she was pregnant with me... I feel like I'm in for some karma 😂
My daughter would get hiccups at least once a day, with her head bashing against my bladder every time. At least the patients came to recognize the "uh oh gotta go" look pretty quickly and cleared a path. Men at inpatient treatment are the biggest mother hens I've ever seen.
Oh man, I had twins and they would kick at the same time, in opposite directions. One foot in the lung, one in the lady parts 🤣🤣
I was walking to work one day and right as I got to the parking lot, I saw a car in one of the parking spaces with the words Pure Romance written on the back window. First time I had seen that particular one out in the wild.
It is better to just say, "I don't want to," rather than give a reason why you don't want to be in an MLM. Not having the "want" is reason enough, and they can't counter argue how you feel.
Just an fyi, yes hoarding is normally an inherited trait, unless you work on decluttering and seeing it as it is
I agree that listening to you is calming and great for my ADHD. U tend to talk quickly which keeps my attention, no loud noises or change in sound level and no bright colors. All those things are major things I look for when listening. Whether I'm going to sleep or driving my deliveries--you are a top binge!
Having a hard day with my toddler and I was so excited to see you posted a new video. It made my day a little better. Now I’m eating my lunch, and sitting down to watch. ❤
John Oliver mentions that Herbalife CEO in his MLM episode, and he shows a clip where this man tries to explain that Herbalife isn't a pyramid scheme by saying "Michael Eisner is also on the top of a "pyramid", so how is Herbalife any different?" 🤦♀🙄
Highly recommend John Oliver's piece to anyone that hasn't seen it.
Oh god I remembered my brother got into a feminine product MLM years ago, but it was short lived. I was suffering through undiagnosed endometriosis, so I bled through everything. He tried to sell me on the absorbency without the dangerous fillers or whatever. But the price was way too steep for someone who needed more than normal to get through a day. I’ll see if I can get the name of that company out of him, this had to have been at least a decade ago.
wow, I know mlm bros are less known than the huns, and if dealing in makeup was challenging enough for the mlm bros, dealing in 'feminine hygiene' products - wow that is a big ask.
@@helenr4300 usually it's MLM Huns and crypto bros, it's nice to see equality 🤣🤣🤣
@@Samantha360 😆 let's give him at least credit for not being weird about periods (well, other than the MLM part)
Market America? someone in the comment section mentioned the pads as well. weird
@@themurdernerd oh yeah, at the time he was mainly working as a plumber, so I don’t think anything about menstruation would have been shocking to him. The mlm stuff was always confusing to me because it was always short lived, but he’s been trying to get a stream of passive income his whole life and I guess he realized the mlms weren’t the easy money he was probably promised.
8:16 I wonder if that’s why in the Orange Is the New Black, they showed one of the Hispanic mom’s (forgot her name) join Herbalife!
Ah yes! It was Aleida. She got out and couldn't get a job in a hair/nail salon and got roped into Herbalife, and used the bottles to smuggle drugs into the prison (via her prison guard boyfriend) to make some real money.
Oh man that last one reminded me so much like my own wild hun encounter.
Oh, so you hate being on camera, are terrible when put in sales positions, are exceedingly socially awkward, and dislike traveling? You sound like you would be perfect for my travel MLM!
The first story you got about herbalife and housekeeping, i so agree with this person's comment on your voice. It is really grounding and nice. I personally do a lot of crafts like knitting/embroidery/crochet/sewing, and it's always a delight to hear you talk and read these stories as i work. Really soothing. I hope you have a nice day, ahah
Mention of panic attacks and watching and I relate.
I have an anxiety disorder and struggle to sleep.
I play you and one other TH-cam channel's playlists when I know I need to sleep. Cos it's contect I care about but dont need to watch visually.
I watch everything new you come out with and use your old content to nod off to
I know a guy who was selling scentsy stuff. I told him it was a pyramid scheme. He said “no it’s not!” Then I said it’s an MLM and he goes “NO!” And then I said you literally know nothing about this company. And googled it and showed him it was an MLM/pyramid scheme. Smfh.
I love having these to listen to during my prep time at work on Mondays!
I've sent my story a while back, every time there's anticipation to hearing it
Disney is also tied into Scentsy. Scentsy was the scent for all the Disney hotels last year for their 50th anniversary.
It was the 100th anniversary!
Wha?! I really could've sworn that Disney had been going after Scentsy for copyright/brand violations, and that was why their Disney themed stuff was always a "limited edition" type of thing! I guess I was wrong! 😳
I just looked and Michael O. Johnson is currently the Chairman and CEO of Herbalife, this is who the first story is talking about.
I wish this was a podcast too because I like listening to you when I work but on days I go into the office I don’t out on TH-cam but I do listen to podcasts all day.
Can you do a video on Princess house? I actually love the pots and pans but an curious
Oh Hannah. Your voice, Isabella Lanter && Erin Bies, are my like going to sleep mlm videos bc all of your voices sooth me to sleep. 😴
Omg I seriously tell my clients (I'm a hairstylist) all about your channel and I have even said your voice and how you speak, just seems so comfortable to me, and I'll listen even while I'm not really listening for whatever mood I'm dealing with. 😂 Like the other said....feels like I'm chatting with a friend.
A hun from Market America pitched me pads that were “created by a doctor who’s wife died of cancer (maybe ovarian, I don’t remember) because she used regular store bought products “ . They were better bc were “individually wrapped “ and free of chemicals. Also she recommended panty liners to be put in the shoes to detox the feet!
wow. I know there is the eco approach to menstruation, but frankly here in the UK the mass market single use products all come 'individually wrapped' So what did this product offer that was different?
I get repeated youtube/facebook adverts for the 'detox' pads for feet, just because they change colour does not mean that your liver is not doing all the work you need regarding detoxing.
I have not seen a traditional pad not be individually wrapped ?? Was this in the last 40 years? Genuine question, not snark.
@@PaigeAshleighB probably in the last 20 in UK. My first purchases as a teen were not, but pretty soon after were - the idea being that the wrapper from the new can be used to wrap the used before putting in bin
I would love for these to become podcasts on Spotify!!
I went to Disneyland Paris one week ago. Fortunately, there were no MLM huns in sight anywhere.
i worked at disney during the time this convention took place, not in housekeeping, but the buttons were real!! and the huns were soooo annoying.
As someone who has worked in housekeeping for the past 10 years, I'd rather scrub toilets and mop floors rather than face the pressure of the MLM monthly grind.🎉 My job has good pay & benefits.
Not the pure romance stickers on the back of our minivan 😂
right after graduating highschool, a bunch of fresh grads including myself got recruitment letters from Cutco (this was approx 15 years ago)
I wonder if they wear the button because people will look, see if it's a disney one to congratulate but then get sucked into a conversation about what the button really is. UGH that would be so awkward.
I was having horrible anxiety this morning. Listening to your voice kept me entertained and calmed me. I also cleaned out my fridge. Have a great day!
I remember going to the Jamberry conference at a Disney resort in 2016. We were all advised many times before the event that we were not allowed to give out samples or attempt to sell or recruit on the hotel grounds as well as any of the parks or we may be kicked out of our hotel.
Adding to ‘they have you cornered when you can’t just walk away’… it is not the case of you are working and gotta finish. But mainly the training and customer service rules these places are obsessed with and will make you stand and listen no matter what. It will be considered ‘rude’ to walk away and could destroy their magical experience. And BOOM you are fired 😂
I know this is a year after the video, but I wanted to share. In 2010 I was a TW Hon and we had our annual convention , Jubilee, at Disney. We stayed in one of the Disney hotels and had our meetings in the hotel. Tupperware s headquarters is in Orlando.
The reason these companies officially wait until you are 18 is because in most states in the US, contracts with those 17 and younger are voidable, as people under 18 are not considered capable of entering into a contract. They might sign up and do well, but they could not be bound to any of the terms if they just wanted to walk away, so the risk is too high to the upline.
You are GLOWING so much it's stunning! Thank you for the upload
for the first story, i wonder if reps were encouraged to make a mess in their rooms to sort of help grind down the housekeeping staff as a prep for their pitch. seems kinda crazy that they consistently spill powders everywhere
The scentsy rep selling to her mother and refusing to listen was so frustrating. When my stepmom was sick with AML, my brothers and I would go by the house and check in on stuff (despite living 5 hours away & having to struggle for the time to go up - her natural kids all lived very close). My stepbrother was big in MLMs, and her house was full of massive stocks of odd brand cleaning products. We were numb to the signs, but her neighbor was livid at the realization that someone had been using a kind hearted woman to maintain rank.
Hi Hannah, had a good laugh at the pictures of Zeke on the changing table (from some videos ago). We are expecting our first in the beginning of Feb. When we set up our changing table, our cat took to it right away, too! It is now his spot to sleep on at night.
That John Oliver piece was my entry way into the anti mlm community, too!
commenting for engagement, saving for later for my long drive heheheh
re college vs Mlms. Totally agree that mlms are a bad option. however (and not in US context) going to Uni for the sake of getting a degree is not the only option. vocational training is as valuable as the academic studies. My dad worked as a careers advisor at high schools and was keen to affirm the non academic as equally valid options. In Uk there has been a push to increase the number of people in university courses, as if everyone is suited to this or that the academic route is better than vocational training. My dad was always keen to point out that when you have a leak you are not bothered about who has a degree, only if if they know what they are doing to fix your leak.
i have absolutely nothing to do with mlms but i binge watch your videos while i'm working because of the tea and because your voice is so relaxing 😆
Me: Great, a horror stories video! I really want to watch it, but I should save it for when I'm being productive because it's so good for listening to!
Also me: Well after searching for three seconds, I can't find anything to watch while I eat lunch, now I HAVE to put on Hannah and the horror stories! 😂😂
Your voice is really soothing which is why i gravitated toward your videos never watched anything anti-mlm before
Am I the only one who had a slight heart attack when she actually said “Disney”? Also, I have questions.😂
No, it was totally expected. What surprised you? She said "this huge theme park and movie studio", a "magical" place and other very specific clues.
I was able to get Betting On Zero DVD thru my local library so that's also a free option to watch.
The clean feminine product thing is something I tried to look into but could not find anything on it. I don't recall the name of the product either but I saw a tiktok about it claiming there was ink in the ones you buy from the store.
Yes your voice is so soothing! It’s inflected but stays within a predictable range 🤍
You’ve become my nightly comfort as well I put on the the MLM horror stories. You’re just so calm 😊 obviously I can’t fall asleep to any new episodes because I so excited 😆
In reference to the last story, and Hanna’s comments about recruiting preferences. I got sucked into an mlm a few years back and was always told that “inviting” absolutely everyone to the “opportunity” is essential because it’s a numbers game. Most will say no, a few will sign up and every once in a while you’ll luck into a “unicorn” (yes they called it that). A person who is all-in and successful at recruiting too. 🤮
It’s funny how you were reading that story from that commentator and that she had commented that your voice is very soothing. I have to admit I really love your channel a lot! I suffer from extreme anxiety and horrendous insomnia so when I can’t sleep I just put on the playlist that you have an after an hour or two I find that I am nodding off because of your calming way of storytelling.Your voice has a quality that is very soothing and comforting(if you didn’t know.)
Completely unrelated. You have the most soothing, calming voice. Never had I had someone’s voice ease my anxiety. Without sounding creepy.. I fall asleep listening to your videos every night. Playing on a loop. It’s helped me more than you’ll ever know. Truly…For this, I thank you.