Chiappa Rhino 200D .357 Magnum Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode of TFBTV, James evaluates the Chiappa Rhino, the unique, new revolver from the Italian manufacturer. The Rhino, unlike nearly every revolver before, fires from the bottom chamber of the cylinder, not the top. Chiappa claims that this drastically reduced felt recoil. James gladly puts this to the test in this review. James runs the 200D, a 2" .357 magnum/.38 special. For a shooting-only montage: • Shooting The Chiappa R...
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"Let's get the Elephant out of the room... or should I say, get the Rhino out of the room first."
God damnit, James
+MrWhiteRabbitt #dadjokes
do you write your own jokes?
+MrWhiteRabbitt i vote worst joke of 2016, who agrees?
+marxman__1839 that would give it credit and I vote no ....we need to just forget it happened.
carlos spicywiener so true
I've fired the rhino before. I fell in love with it instantly. That bottom-cylinder firing system makes a HUGE difference.
It's a waste of potential it isn't made in 44 Magnum.
@@bodinian Don't take my word for it, but I think that will be very uncomfortable to shoot.
I have a Chiappa 200DS, it's my favorite snubbie revolver. I shot well over 1, 000 rounds with no problems whatsoever. The control of the muzzle when shooting 357Mag. feels like shooting a 22Mag.
And yes, we all know that: a bottom cylinder firing wheelgun called MATEBA was made before... by the same guy who made the Rhino: Emilio Ghisoni
A hun used in Bladerunner, Ghost In The Shell, and Firefly. Talk about future proof!
All of these tacticool dudes on TH-cam, and you look like you're about to do a keg stand at a frat party. Fuck yes.
+Kevin Sanderson LOL Don't let looks fool you, I served some time in the bush myself: i.imgur.com/FRHZngt.png
+TFB TV ha ha ha
+TFB TV funniest thing ever!
+TFB TV Yup--we've all been there once or twice, some bush much more unpleasant than others...and yes, some the cause of PTSD to this very day...Semper Fi!
Yes! Such a refreshingly different approach!
If that rhino doesn't look like the revolver of the future, idk what does. Looks like it's fresh out of a sci fi movie. I'd definitely like to try one out. Another excellent review, James.
+Dylan Rutan Thanks, Dylan. I think it looks legit, I don't get the 'ugly' comments. - James
TFB TV people just aren't ready for the future haha
yeah, it looks exactly like togusa's revolver from ghost in the shell.
+LoneWanderer360 www.imfdb.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_Stand_Alone_Complex#Mateba_2008M Its a fictional model in the mateba lineup of revolvers. Mateba was a firearms company started by Emilio Ghisoni. He died after designing the Rhino. Search for the youtube user lifesize potato who has done several videos on the mateba autorevolver and other guns from the mateba company which is no longer in existence.
LoneWanderer360 cool its a newer fictional model. i love the p90 from that movie too
Thank you for the review. I own the new Rhino 30DS which is the 3" model and absolutely love it. I've owned .357 magnum revolvers but none that was as fun to shoot as the Rhino.
It doesn't have "a 2-inch barrel", it has a 2 inch wheel AND a 2 inch barrel. So compared to autos, you're getting more barrel length in similar sized guns. The revolver will lose some of it's pressure after the cylinder, but by then, that bullet is already at a pretty high speed. Many more factors to look at, but in short we can state that revolvers shoot at higher speeds than autoloaders. Peace
i never realized how much i could want something that i never knew existed until moments before
swish007 .
The firearms world does this to me on a regular basis. It's quite painful to my wallet.
I have the 6" Gold Chiappa Rhino which is a pleasure to shoot. Thank you for the review.
The02seta , very cool, I bet that there is almost no recoil. probably like a 22LR
I own one, they are great revolvers. Very superior to J-frame revolvers. Also, the design isn't meant to be used two handed or shot at targets farther than 10m. It's meant to be used up close and one handed, hit hard, and not jam in the heat of the moment during a physical struggle.
It’s a favorite of mine. It’s one of the few I own. So I don’t have much to compare to. But I love the gun. The recoil is minimal for the the bang it produces.
2:47 watch out for that ricochet
Shrapnel kills.
i have already watched this video... yet here I am again
This scratches the Blade Runner itch.
Perfect: I’ve been searching all over for someone to talk about recoil with this gun. Straightforward is good bro 😎 I’m a new shooter so I’m often looking at your old stuff. If you haven’t you should do this one again. With both 2” & 3”. In my view it’s the coolest looking revolver ever. 😂
I dig the Blade Runner vibe of the 4" one with wood grips.
I know some people say theyre the ugliest gun ever made, but I appreciate their looks for that futuristic scifi/angular European thing they got goin on. Not high on my list but theyre cool just for the novelty... Maybe not CC though because of the complicated internals.
Ricochet/bullet fragment impact at 2:46 (technically it's at 47 seconds, the second shot you see after that timestamp). Look in the puddle in the tracks just under his outstretched arms. It makes a splash! Looks like it might be like 90ish degrees off the target maybe 20 feet away. Yay eye protection!
So much fun to shoot any of the Rhinos. So much more comfortable, I did burn my finger first shot. But when I looked at my off hand grip, I deserved it. Super accurate guns I have shot all including the newest and I like the 50ds best for casual shooting and carrying while hiking.
I don't know why no one ever thought to move the barrel to the bottom of a revolver. the equation for torque is force times distance from the pivot point so obviously lowering the barrel would reduce muzzle climb. I'm surprised no physicist ever said that to any manufacturer.
This fella looks like Mykel Hawkes long lost brother..Good info and review of this oddballish revolver.
And what I really want is Emilio Ghisoni to rise from the dead and bring back the Mateba. (I believe he worked with Chiappa to design the rhino after his own company failed).
Matter of fact, he actually did. The Matebas also had the barrel on the bottom, just like the Chiappas.
Would love to see this vs the new kimber 6 shot 357. Almost the same weight and both 6 shots !!
There is something I want to say about the information that Ballistics By The Inch does, I missed this the first 100 times I went to their website but if you read the "calibers/cartridge" tab it says "One note: in every case with the T/C Encore the length of the barrel was measured from the end of the barrel back to the breech face. This is how semi-auto pistols are measured, but revolvers are measured as the length of the barrel in front of the cylinder gap. Take this into consideration when comparing calibers using our numbers." this means the revolver calibers are a little off because a revolver would be 2" + the cartridge length (since the cartridge sits outside the barrel) so the 2" Chiappa Rhino would actually be like a 3 1/2" barrel because the cartridge isn't in the barrel itself. It took me forever to realize this. So you actually don't loose much of the benefits of a .357 mag from this revolver
Now you and Yankee Marshall can be EDC twinsies!
Ewww God no
Innovative, i like it. Innovation in the firearms industry has got to be very difficult
I’m a fan of low velocity because it won’t over penetrate and it makes for a great concealed carry gun.
Definitely inspired by Deckard's Blaster from Blade Runner! :)
That thing was awesome!
"Always treat the gun as if it's loaded" That means don't point it at your hands even if you're sure it's empty.
8:24 BIGFOOT!!!
That gait though!
I like it, looks alike a good stopper ! BRAVO !
... R.I.P. Emilio Ghisoni (1937-2008) ... great inventor ... also designed Mateba semi-automatic revolver (US Patent #4,712,466) ...
Thanks very much for the review. I had seen mention of this gun a few years ago, then not much.
just saw this gun at the local gun show in SW Florida, it was like 1300... prolly still there!
this gun was actually designed around 30-40 years ago, but wasn't put into production, then was later sold to chiappa.
Is there any chance of getting a review on any the 4", 5", or 6" version? Preferably with both .357 and .38 rounds. The Rhino is such an oblique revolver, it definitely has a "fun factor" associated with it and I am sure many of us would appreciate seeing how the wilder side of their line holds that fun.
It looks like you're using BBTI stats. They measured barrel length as if it were an auto, so for a .357 revolver add ~1.6 for the chamber plus the 2" barrel and you're at what would be roughly 3.5" instead of 2" (on their chart).
I really hope they can make more compact version. One with 5 rounds if possible but with the very nuce aesthetics.
I need one! This is my next pistol for concealed carry
Name checks out 👍
Very nice review, I'm happy there are firearms firms trying to innovate. Thanks for sharing.
By the way, I think there is a russian revolver with the same geometry and an integrated suppressor, designed for assassination. Sorry, I had a beer too many and I can't find it, the only reference I stumbled upon is the Mateba, another Made in Italy revolver shooting from the bottom chamber. What's up with these italians?!? Anyway thanks again!
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I'm absolutely baffled as I have this exact Rhino 2 inch in 357 Magnum and I cocked the hammer back and the things completely seized up the triggers just flopping I can't do nothing not the greatest with computers and I've never had to send a firearm back love this thing third one I've had never seen anything like this it's completely locked up!!! WTF I guess better at practice shooting then if I actually needed it for self-defense!!! I'm Not Happy! It's clean and only 50 rounds through it only!!
Charge hole, not the bottom Cylinder. Also, most Matebas fired from the bottom charge hole. (The cylinder is what the charge holes, or chambers are drilled in.)
Elmer Keith like 4", and he was an amazing long distance shot, way back when.
I want that gun, I’ve wanted it for years, I was hoping it would be my first gun, but my girlfriend came into some money and decided since I’ve bought her so many things, she was going to buy me my first gun, and she had moved from the state she lived in to live here and had sold all her guns earlier and some of them where stolen, so she wanted another CCW, and said she would get me my first CCW, and I love revolvers, not to say I don’t like automatics, because I’ve always wanted a Glock too, but other than glocks I love revolvers, but the gun store we went to was local and was having a sale on certain guns, and the rhino was not even sold there, and she gave me a budget of only $300, so I had to choose wisely, and had my eye on a Taurus model 85 .38 special, and it was fairly new with Solid matt black color, the whole gun, the handle was newer than the old model 85 handles, it was solid black and made of rubber with the Taurus head logo on the rubber Handel, so when I saw it in the advertisement paper for the store and it was in the price range I had my eye on it, when I got to the store I found one other gun in my price range and in my caliber range of revolver I was looking for, which was .357 or .38 special, the other gun I found was right at $300, and was made by a company I wasn’t real familiar with, I can’t remember the model number but I can tell you, it was a Rossi .357 revolver, and I loved the caliber, but I didn’t like the size, it was a lot bigger and bulkier, and I wanted something small enough for easy concealed carry, also it only had two color options, which were shiny silver stainless steel, and shiny black stainless steel, atleast I think it was stainless steel, anyway I don’t like shiny gaudy looking guns, and wasn’t familiar with the brand, and on top of all that, even though I wanted a .357 caliber gun for my first CCW revolver, the .38 special was a better caliber to have and learn with as my first gun, because of less recoil and it still being a very effective round, it seemed the best option for my first CCW, not to mention it was on sale for $269, which was a banging price, anyway love your video, may subscribe and kinda was thinking my next gun will be a Glock 26, but when I see the rhino it brings back memories and I want it also, decisions decisions.
I like the idea of the gun. Wondering if they would add a gas seal or something of that sort, so you don't have to modify your grip. Not sure how hard that would be to do though.
I like the shaved flat sides of the cylinder more than anything else.
Video lesson- guys who shop at banana republic like Chiappa rhino
Because of the reduced fps, need to wait till you are pretty much at point blank range before shooting in a defensive situation which is 3-5 feet away!
Very concise and well articulated
the sound is majestic !!!
Y'know, in 1979 I fired my Dad's .38 snubby, holding it upside down, pulling the trigger with my pinkie finger on a dare;I found it fired pretty good but it was a hard pull. I thought it was a good idea and my Dad said I was crazy. You have vindicated me.
And with that, we are one step closer to the blade runner gun.
Actually the mateba auto revolver fired from the lower cylinder. Still a novel idea but it was done in the 90's
They should build one with a 1895 Nagant style sealed cylinder... which would solve the blow back, then if they thread it, it could take a suppressor.
and it would have a 200 pound trigger pull
If they come out with a .41 Magnum or .44 Magnum version I'll probably buy one.
Not a huge revolver fan but I really want one of these.
i have one with a 6" barrel and love it
Subsonic defensive carry makes a lot of sense. In .357 mag to boot!
They should simply make a 3 inch version for the extra performance as 2" to 3" is nothing in comparison for concealing. I frankly, will likely buy the 40DS, since there isn't a 30DS and I will carry it.
what makes you want to carry this gun, when there are so many more natural feeling, tested designs out there. these guns just sell based on looks.
+anon amous right so you are saying that a design that has been around since 2009 isn't tested at this point. Sorry but no, the rhino is at this time fairly well tested, while not a favorite amongst traditionalist, it does very well as a ccw, and defense weapon.
Truthfully a lot of it just simply comes down to opinion, me I like the lower bore axis, and change in recoil pattern which would allow for faster target acquisition and follow up shots.
+ anon amous .....Hardly. They're butt-ugly. The looks of the thing drives me away. But the design and function outweigh the looks. I want one and I would carry one, and I can't imagine what makes other people question a personal choice. I have yet to pick up any weapon that feels "natural" to me - I just carry whatever I want to.
Nice revolver, looks weird though, but cute, and it has less recoil than the others of same category, I liked it for carry, after shooting the first six rounds you’ll get use to the grip
I used a 200DS as my carry gun for 4 years. I just traded it in for a SW 340. I should have done it years ago.
The Rhino handles recoil like a champ. A hot 357 feels like a mild 38, but that's almost where its advantages stop.
The sights are useless, not a deal breaker for a carry gun, but I do like to have some decent sights for range days. Using a notch in the cocking lever, that has play in the Rhino, is an idea that the civil war colts did better at.
The effort to cock into single action will wear your thumb out in a few shots, and was nearly impossible for my S.O.
The trigger pull in double action was so heavy that my S.O. could not use it at all. I dont like keeping a gun in the house that we both cant use.
The last straws are that it weighs a ton and is bulky. I found myself grabbing her gun when we went out, rationalizing that only one of us needed to be armed.
If I had gotten the 6" version, i might have kept it as a range toy. Put a real sight on it, and found a way to tame down that trigger action, and maybe you have a decent gun.
If you consider the 2inch rhino heavy and bulky, you need to some pushups. it's one of the slimmest and lightest .357 snubbies made. Based on the things you said about it, I don't believe you've actually handled one.
I am soooo sick of people thinking that this design is only now being used well NO!
the first patent/patten (however you spell it) was designed by Mikhail Margolin, back in the late 40's and early 50's (forgot what the actual date was). so the point is that this was done over 60 years ago and I just cannot stand how everyone believes this is new 'tech'. This Style of hand gun design is old, and it still boggles my mind how such a famous firearms designer is fairly obscure in the west.
Another comparable revolver that you didn't mention is the Ruger LCR which is actually an ounce less that the j frame.
Jeez. You still look like a young man! Too bad current prices align:(
4:45 last round of the six. delayed ignition? or just me?
Two thumbs up. More like 1 1/2 after powder burn blast.
the mateba is another Rhino like gun. take a look, James
The issue you have with the docking indicator being the same colour as the front sight would be a non-issue for me since I'd want to replace the orange front sight with green.
I just want it because it's looks cool.
And no, it's not ugly. It's (as a female friend described it), a futuristic sexy evil looking gun. And sorry to disappoint the naysayers, it's both high quality and very reliable. Italians make the world finest shotguns, now they scored one damn fine revolver
i have wanted one ever sense i first saw one on the show covert afairs
Other revolvers fire from the bottom of the cylinder as well. Just look at the Mateba.
Kinda looks like a flare gun. not for me
+James Webster God knows; the "looks" of the tool you buy to save your life, or your wife's life; is sooo important. Yeah. boy. gotta watch those looks.
+John Affleck With today's wide selection of firearms available, a person has the option of making decisions based on practicality and aesthetics. You should think about that next time you speak of tools, before you sound like a tool.
+rasgul You almost spelled the word "beautiful" correctly. Better luck next time, I guess.
+John Affleck I disagree, you want to avoid shooting it if not necessary, and that's where "real gun looks" come in handy.
+John Affleck not functionally important but if you were on the fence about this gun or another option then it might come into play.
Where is the Yankee Marshal when you need him :D
I would never carry a gun that comes with special instructions on how to grip the damn thing. It's a range toy
Good for you.
yeah, id care more about actual quick response rather than having to counteract my reflexes and worry about stinging myself from my own gun :P
You can't read? Don't drive a car or ride a bicycle. Don't attempt to put on a condom. in fact you'd better not try sexual intercourse...Stay out of the military, don't carry a Taser, don't carry a knife, and don't even wash your clothes.
+hackberry flat
I rode a bike without training wheels before I could read and was doing handbrake slides in cars before I was a teenager. Funny because the only thing you mentioned that I've actually had to read in order to do is enlist in the military. The rest is pretty straight forward don't you think? Unless you don't have any common sense. I guess you're the reason for warning labels like "don't hold the wrong end of chainsaw".
+DemocracyOfHypocrisy That was badass retort. U go Soldier!
I prefer the 4 inch version, but that is not nearly as easy to carry. I never really saw these as carry pieces. I mean you could do it but just not my preference.
Did u do any of your own chrono testing? I respect Ballistics By The Inch and all their research. However, i have seen several chrono tests where the 125 gr Magnum loads are often still getting 1200+ fps in the short barrels, sometimes as high as 1250, which is well above the average 124 gr 9mm at about 1050 fps. There is a loss of course, but it may not be as much as many people think. I guess that reinforces the maxim that you should thoroughly test your specific carry load. Good video. Thank you.
The Rhino is a 6-shot .357, the J-Frame S&W is a 5-shot .38 - NOT a .357.
'nuff said ;)
Your charts at 6:15 - 6:20 are initially mislòeading, because the .357 chart tops out at 1400fps while the 9mm chart only at 700fps. You should have overlaid them to prove your point.
Good video !
Honest tip for design:
If escaping gases are such a problem, why didn’t any engineers there think to have the cylinder seal, load, and unload akin to the nagant series of revolvers?
i think that'd just over engineer it and make it even more complicated than it already is. they put a lot of work into just getting it to function out of the bottom barrel. i think a simpler answer would be to have some sort of deflector around the bottom of the chamber to direct gasses away from your thumbs. but i'm not sure how possible or easy that would be either
@@zevo9314
if you add a deflector on both sides, the issue is now: 'how am i going to open the cylinder?' since you've basically blocked it off. one could have one be a movable flap, but that could break easier or be too flimsy.
even then, where would one redirect this? it might be easier to make less head space between the cylinder and barrel. it is still hot gas going somewhere, and that would just make another mess. the best option one could really use is to make less head space, but idk if that would cause:
less gas to escape, but it comes out faster (this is how bernoulli's eq would work here given the right assumptions. gasses are compressible, but idk if this would compress enough for it to be significant)
looking at the system, a nagant seal would be too much work to get to work given the little room already there.
@@ColonizerChan i would think just giving less space would just mean gases come out faster and in a more condensed area, which would be more dangerous to the shooter. you'd definitely have to worry about splitting open your thumb, or worse if that were the case. i'm not sure how much more work would have to go into the gun to make something like a nagant seal, or if theres even room left to do so with all the mechanical parts they had to put in just to make it fire from the bottom cylinder, but hopefully someone will figure it out and make an improvement to a bottom cylinder firing revolver, because its a great concept, it just hasnt had much time and effort into perfecting it.
Do you think the extra complexity negates one of the main advantages of a revolver over an automatic?
At 2:45, or about, you can see something skip on a puddle after you fire, bullet or debris idk.
Very good review and
by lowering the place where the bullet comes out they have lowered the center of thrust as the bullet comes out so less recoil in theory
but they make you hold the gun lower with your thumb so you are lowering your pivot point making the firing from the bottom pointless
so the gun just looks cool but is functionally not as effective as a regular 357
If the Rhino could be got with a 3" barrel, it would be perfect. 4" is a little big, 2" is too short.
+entropy11
I too think 3" barrels are the best all around length.
Sweet review!!
Neat idea. No thanks. Modify my grip... or design to deflect the gas discharge. I'll keep my grip as is.
this gun would be gold if they made it in 327
interesting & thorough review, thanks.
I like it, but I'm not convinced for routine personal carry. Yet. I mean, if you're going to have a small wheel gun, still have something proven a million times before like a .38 Special snub, and know what you've got for sure.
Ronnie James thats as maybe, but a .357 spanks a .38 special for stopping power.
TheMwnciboo normally a bit chunkier, but I'd be more than happy to carry one of those.
.38 spec HP is no laughing matter if it hits you centre mass, or somewhere else vital.
I like it a lot. This thing is cool. I'd buy it.
There are other barrel lengths for the Rhino, and a .40 S&W chambering.
Round count in test gun? Did you only fire 357? Thanks for reviewing this!
I never realized that barrel length played such a big role in bullet velocity. Also, does this come in other calibers?
+Greg B Not yet but they have hinted at higher/lower calibers in the future.
You should seriously look at the mateba revolver series. This literally has been done before
+luke painter We are all seriously, literally aware of the Mateba revolver. - James
I'm about to sell my Governor to buy one of these.
I have a chromed version. I love the designer but dislike the company producing them. My finish on the cylinder flakes off after shooting, leaves jagged pieces that have to be removed. So far chiappa has not fixed the problem, even after mailing the gun to them.
notice the banger at 2;45 to 248 just under his arm
Who is worried ABOUT VELOCITY LOSS?. IT'S FOR DEFENCE!. UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL. YOU WON'T BE MAKING 2,OOO YRDS SHOTS. WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ON THE OUT GOING END. IT'LL WORKS FOR ME.
reminds me of the revolver from alien isolation
TFB you put the run and gun description for the carcano in the video details
Please don't forget about the mateba model 6 that pistol has a longer history than the rhino and it has the 6 o'clock barrel or bottom cylinder fire if you prefer