Kinda bizzares me how people here can bring someone down for an opinion "ohh spawn just get gud"....the problem is... ive seen yall play this game before 🤣..80% of yall are ass
Sorry but this really isn’t a problem. There’s so many ways to easily solve what you said. -9 launcher that is 19 frames can literally be interrupted by almost any move upon learning the animation. When Leo does bok2 u can literally hop kick it the moment u see the animation. Or block, realise they like to use it and side walk or side step into block or duck next time. Tekken is all about learning people’s tendencies as fast as possible and punishing them for it. Space, Good Movement, blocking and just paying attention to what people are doing will get you smashing 70% of the player base. Chars like feng are a pain but it ain’t that deep. Defence isn’t just blocking and getting rewarded for it.
Tekken has always been about hard reads that's what makes it impressive when high level players showcase it to us....tekken 8 turn for the casino kinda of gameplay it isn't footsies anymore it's a 50/50 casino
@@GoSpawn_ tekken 8 in the beginning was casino. Not anymore ,although it has more fake 50/50 scenarios than t7. T8 however allows people to disrespect frames way more than t7, which makes players have to enforce their frame advantage properly. Therefore most 50/50 aren’t actually true 50/50 but more of a mental stack. (Hence the game draining people way more than before) because you have the opportunity to disrupt people who take their 50/50 for granted. Keep in mind there are allot of option selects with side steps being more viable. All in all T7 is a game where u just blocked and got rewarded for just blocking and playing safe, but it’s a fighting game? And in fighting, long periods of defending is reserved for the very elite athletes because it’s not something anyone can do. Fighting in general rewards the oppressor until the one defending find their moment to block, move and counter appropriately to win or get out of the situation. So yes absolute defence has always been harder than offence.
@@GoSpawn_Ok so I’m gonna be honest man people have a Triple +S in bitching/moaning/incompetence , you sir have opened up good reasoning to these points but , I just power through the changes and I study this game hard when I have time ,I was almost Tekken king with Azucena with all her needed nerfs but one day I stopped playing and shot back down to fujin from being that I was mentally draining myself not the game , the game draws energy out of me to keep going , my BIGGEST problem is the points system ESPECIALLY on a 3-0 when someone is HIGHER RANK than you
I appreciate the input that defense is not rewarded much in this game but you're missing a major point here. If you play this game fr you have to pay attention to what your opponent is doing and adjust accordingly even if it's frustrating it is what the game demands of you. That comes with time and experience it's all about gathering information from your opponents tendencies. there is counter play to virtually every single abusable move in the game except for some very rare exceptions and that's what the practice mode/replay feature is for. For example you can option select Leo by side stepping right and ducking, the character is balanced by being very linear. I agree that Tekken 8 is busted compared to T7 at the end of life cycle but they have made changes with community feedback in mind and will continue to. At the end of the day you have your reasons not to enjoy the game and by no means are you entitled to play it if its no longer fun for you.
I dont want to discount your complaints. But I think it's important to remember that something certain characters have like safe launching mids and other things that might seem on a surface level cheap, should be taken in the context of the character as an entire package. For example, with Nina, she might have some of the highest concentration of safe launching mids on one character. But what's an undeniable property of Nina? She needs to be up your asscrack to get any of those off and her df2, her only 15f safe normal hit launcher is incredibly stubby and does not launch crouching opponents. So she's got a scuffed df2 and abysmal range on something most characters just have as a default. As well as terrible range on all her other safe launchers. Basically when characters appear to have some incredible cheap, strong aspect of their design, it's usually because there's a compromise somewhere else.
That's the problem ....with Bandai introducing the heat system to t8 this makes characters like nina, dragnov, Alisa strengths look soo strong that u just bypass the weaknesses...nina wants to be up close?...so the heat system allows her to do that by 10 fold
@@GoSpawn_ I mean to you that might seem like a strength but to me it kind of sounds like a draw back. the mere fact that I have to get a heat engage off, that is either bad frames or -14 on block on Nina, to run her gameplan aside from her being at wall, that is already proof enough to me that there's thought behind the character design. the fact that she can't threaten her safe launchers 24/7 and that she either has to have wall or expend a valuable resource and threat is a good enough, interesting, interactive compromise. As far as her power goes, she got toned down in the last patch, she still could use some more toning down, but the making her more steppable thing knocked her down a leg for sure. The game *is* getting more balanced and defense oriented as time goes on and characters like Nina and Hwoarang have alot more trouble threatening safe launchers and moves that shouldn't home and as a result have to get more creative, and defensive, to threaten their offense. Of course there's still overpowered characters. and there always will be. but I just rarely find myself agreeing with complaints revolved around a single aspect of a characters kit. usually there's a reason. That's all I'm getting at. I think that what im saying can only be said so far. some characters in t8 have definitely gone past that threshold
Fengs db3 is launch punishable on block and doesn’t do damage unless it counter hits. Feng has always been like this tbh, heavy poke game but now he’s got some damage to go with it. Haradas main ain’t gonna get nerfed that hard lol.
I agree with you take, people love saying just step. Stepping should give big rewards but blocking should at least be enough to punish these fat launchers that start so quick or have crushing properties. Tekken need to be consistent and not have matchups feel janky and force you to lab every nonsense if you care about climbing
I don't mind lab part right...it is a pain in the ass to lab a character that u got demolished by and never see them again...and they show and beat the living shit outta u again just to hide from u once more for a few weeks or months....but sometimes it feels so un-worthy to lab it....if ur gonna get 50/50'd anyway
@@GoSpawn_You are rigth I play feng a lot and I must say feng is one deadly skill check and like people he is one deadly skilcheck, and you can get kil easy high level players and every feng is he is only deadly skillcheck..in in his own way...I mean he did get played that often and eddy is another killcheck, not so deadly, and If you with draginov clearly look what is happening you can be beaten into the next wall and you can do shit abozut it, I playy draginov, feng and law...
I disagree with your take but i understand your struggle. There is defense sidestep crush attack parry power crush its just alot to know mid game i feel you get knowledge checked alot because you cant react to attack sidestep correctly or duck on time.
Most high rank players have low defence stat. That is fact from what i saw. And you see them mostly gravitate to a few characters at higher ranks. they still want to say it is a skill issue. You are right, in my opinion. There is little counterplay and too many panic moves that are free to keep trying. And you must make hard call outs to counter it
I think one of the most accepted and notable thing about high rank players is they do not play off of startup frames, and frame traps. Because those types of tricks don't work at high tier play. Most of them are moving in between each attack. In other words theyre waiting for you to whiff or use a move they *know* they can punish. That's quintessential defensive tekken play. High rank players are generally very defensive. and this is immediately obvious when you reach blue ranks and you start getting some tekken emperors and tekken gods in your games occasionally and you contrast their play with the fujins. Theyre playing an entirely different game.
@ayylmao752 Some are very defensive. You are right. Most are players i bodied back in previous tekken games that now can keep me more so guessing for my life somehow. High level tekken is pretty defensive, but not high rank in a consistent way.. imo.
It's wayyy to aggressive and plus the nerf to movement and sidesteping makes it feel even more awful....there were things I could sidestep in t7 with leo but now I can't in this game...and most of the time im forced to hold a 50/50 in a game where ur "SUPPOSED" to have option to defend against things like that but u dont
@GoSpawn_ they are slowly trying to make the game a 3d again by making heat burst and command grabs steppable.. but there is way too many high frame advantage moves that are just straight absurd where you can't move on such plus frames and need to eat a mix. They tailored this game for worse players to one up on players they shouldn't necessarily be beating. At least you got the balls to say what it is.. others will follow the other and regurgitate the (skill issue) crap.
Tekken 8 has been such a big let down. I stopped playing this game after I read 1.05 patch notes 😂 Fix this non arcade beta of a game if you wanna keep your player base Bamco! Great potential, great new mechanics but not executed properly. This game need some TLC. I’ll wait a year later till they get this right before I start playing again.
I don't know if this is your first Tekken game but we had safe mid launchers for eternity. Also mixups are there in every Tekken game. of course there are overturned characters like Feng which has been nerfed in the last patch but what you really asking for is to make every move jab punishable which is hilarious. You need to realy get good before blaming the game, sorry for this harsh truth
It's easy for you to put me down from a by-standers POV...which let's me know u tweeted without thinking...its called an "Opinion"....soo stick to ur little hearthstone game yeahh??
Tekken is hard. It is more of playing against the player than the characters. With some practice, you will end up understanding player tendencies after a round or two, then your defense mode kicks in. Also every character has some OP values. It is about learning how to deal with moves when playing as an opponent and it takes time. But I do see why you feel this is not the game for you. Good luck
- Makes a video with a faulty "opinion" dictated by lack of knowledge - Has some people in the comments pointing out mistakes in his opinion - Pins the comment with "stop telling me to git gud, y'all ass" Brooo 😂
@@GoSpawn_ only thing that can stop you in your reasoning is your tekken king promo or whatever rank leo stops autocarrying nowadays It's okay to be wrong bro, but being disrespectful to people who took time to watch your video and tried to help you to understand the game's balancing just makes you look dumb amd overconfident
I can only play this one even after years for all of Tekken 7 but I also hate it, it's a double-edged sword. Every piece of advice is to study the game like a fuckin scientist with all your time. It's torture and you need to be a robot. Idk why I still play, I think out of spiteful desire to fuck up the constant mashers. I respect people actually dropping it though, it's so unfun unless you textbook it and make it a fuckin job.
Kinda bizzares me how people here can bring someone down for an opinion "ohh spawn just get gud"....the problem is... ive seen yall play this game before 🤣..80% of yall are ass
Sorry but this really isn’t a problem.
There’s so many ways to easily solve what you said. -9 launcher that is 19 frames can literally be interrupted by almost any move upon learning the animation.
When Leo does bok2 u can literally hop kick it the moment u see the animation. Or block, realise they like to use it and side walk or side step into block or duck next time.
Tekken is all about learning people’s tendencies as fast as possible and punishing them for it. Space, Good Movement, blocking and just paying attention to what people are doing will get you smashing 70% of the player base. Chars like feng are a pain but it ain’t that deep. Defence isn’t just blocking and getting rewarded for it.
Tekken has always been about hard reads that's what makes it impressive when high level players showcase it to us....tekken 8 turn for the casino kinda of gameplay it isn't footsies anymore it's a 50/50 casino
@@GoSpawn_ tekken 8 in the beginning was casino. Not anymore ,although it has more fake 50/50 scenarios than t7.
T8 however allows people to disrespect frames way more than t7, which makes players have to enforce their frame advantage properly.
Therefore most 50/50 aren’t actually true 50/50 but more of a mental stack. (Hence the game draining people way more than before) because you have the opportunity to disrupt people who take their 50/50 for granted. Keep in mind there are allot of option selects with side steps being more viable.
All in all T7 is a game where u just blocked and got rewarded for just blocking and playing safe, but it’s a fighting game? And in fighting, long periods of defending is reserved for the very elite athletes because it’s not something anyone can do. Fighting in general rewards the oppressor until the one defending find their moment to block, move and counter appropriately to win or get out of the situation. So yes absolute defence has always been harder than offence.
@@GoSpawn_Ok so I’m gonna be honest man people have a Triple +S in bitching/moaning/incompetence , you sir have opened up good reasoning to these points but , I just power through the changes and I study this game hard when I have time ,I was almost Tekken king with Azucena with all her needed nerfs but one day I stopped playing and shot back down to fujin from being that I was mentally draining myself not the game , the game draws energy out of me to keep going , my BIGGEST problem is the points system ESPECIALLY on a 3-0 when someone is HIGHER RANK than you
I appreciate the input that defense is not rewarded much in this game but you're missing a major point here. If you play this game fr you have to pay attention to what your opponent is doing and adjust accordingly even if it's frustrating it is what the game demands of you. That comes with time and experience it's all about gathering information from your opponents tendencies. there is counter play to virtually every single abusable move in the game except for some very rare exceptions and that's what the practice mode/replay feature is for. For example you can option select Leo by side stepping right and ducking, the character is balanced by being very linear. I agree that Tekken 8 is busted compared to T7 at the end of life cycle but they have made changes with community feedback in mind and will continue to. At the end of the day you have your reasons not to enjoy the game and by no means are you entitled to play it if its no longer fun for you.
If you can’t hang you can’t hang.
I dont want to discount your complaints. But I think it's important to remember that something certain characters have like safe launching mids and other things that might seem on a surface level cheap, should be taken in the context of the character as an entire package.
For example, with Nina, she might have some of the highest concentration of safe launching mids on one character. But what's an undeniable property of Nina? She needs to be up your asscrack to get any of those off and her df2, her only 15f safe normal hit launcher is incredibly stubby and does not launch crouching opponents. So she's got a scuffed df2 and abysmal range on something most characters just have as a default. As well as terrible range on all her other safe launchers.
Basically when characters appear to have some incredible cheap, strong aspect of their design, it's usually because there's a compromise somewhere else.
That's the problem ....with Bandai introducing the heat system to t8 this makes characters like nina, dragnov, Alisa strengths look soo strong that u just bypass the weaknesses...nina wants to be up close?...so the heat system allows her to do that by 10 fold
@@GoSpawn_ I mean to you that might seem like a strength but to me it kind of sounds like a draw back. the mere fact that I have to get a heat engage off, that is either bad frames or -14 on block on Nina, to run her gameplan aside from her being at wall, that is already proof enough to me that there's thought behind the character design. the fact that she can't threaten her safe launchers 24/7 and that she either has to have wall or expend a valuable resource and threat is a good enough, interesting, interactive compromise.
As far as her power goes, she got toned down in the last patch, she still could use some more toning down, but the making her more steppable thing knocked her down a leg for sure. The game *is* getting more balanced and defense oriented as time goes on and characters like Nina and Hwoarang have alot more trouble threatening safe launchers and moves that shouldn't home and as a result have to get more creative, and defensive, to threaten their offense.
Of course there's still overpowered characters. and there always will be. but I just rarely find myself agreeing with complaints revolved around a single aspect of a characters kit. usually there's a reason. That's all I'm getting at. I think that what im saying can only be said so far. some characters in t8 have definitely gone past that threshold
Fengs db3 is launch punishable on block and doesn’t do damage unless it counter hits. Feng has always been like this tbh, heavy poke game but now he’s got some damage to go with it. Haradas main ain’t gonna get nerfed that hard lol.
13:12 🎉 good job and very good job. Thank you for telling it like it is.
Where to get the oompa loompa mod?
I agree with you take, people love saying just step. Stepping should give big rewards but blocking should at least be enough to punish these fat launchers that start so quick or have crushing properties. Tekken need to be consistent and not have matchups feel janky and force you to lab every nonsense if you care about climbing
I don't mind lab part right...it is a pain in the ass to lab a character that u got demolished by and never see them again...and they show and beat the living shit outta u again just to hide from u once more for a few weeks or months....but sometimes it feels so un-worthy to lab it....if ur gonna get 50/50'd anyway
Great points bro.
Is this a video about why quit tekken 8, or why I play tekken 8 and my mains are feng, leo and azu? :-D
Did u watch the video?....or did you watch the video?
@@GoSpawn_You are rigth I play feng a lot and I must say feng is one deadly skill check and like people he is one deadly skilcheck, and you can get kil easy high level players and every feng is he is only deadly skillcheck..in in his own way...I mean he did get played that often and eddy is another killcheck, not so deadly, and If you with draginov clearly look what is happening you can be beaten into the next wall and you can do shit abozut it, I playy draginov, feng and law...
I dontt blame uu i feel u on tht defense thing thy gotta added sum to deal with characters lik fenq fr but fire vid as always my boii 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Appreciate it
I disagree with your take but i understand your struggle. There is defense sidestep crush attack parry power crush its just alot to know mid game i feel you get knowledge checked alot because you cant react to attack sidestep correctly or duck on time.
You know even though we didn't agree upon this situation and had diffrent opinions and perspectives....I actually respect your answer...genuinely
Most high rank players have low defence stat. That is fact from what i saw. And you see them mostly gravitate to a few characters at higher ranks. they still want to say it is a skill issue. You are right, in my opinion.
There is little counterplay and too many panic moves that are free to keep trying. And you must make hard call outs to counter it
I think one of the most accepted and notable thing about high rank players is they do not play off of startup frames, and frame traps. Because those types of tricks don't work at high tier play. Most of them are moving in between each attack. In other words theyre waiting for you to whiff or use a move they *know* they can punish. That's quintessential defensive tekken play. High rank players are generally very defensive. and this is immediately obvious when you reach blue ranks and you start getting some tekken emperors and tekken gods in your games occasionally and you contrast their play with the fujins. Theyre playing an entirely different game.
@ayylmao752 Some are very defensive. You are right. Most are players i bodied back in previous tekken games that now can keep me more so guessing for my life somehow. High level tekken is pretty defensive, but not high rank in a consistent way.. imo.
It's wayyy to aggressive and plus the nerf to movement and sidesteping makes it feel even more awful....there were things I could sidestep in t7 with leo but now I can't in this game...and most of the time im forced to hold a 50/50 in a game where ur "SUPPOSED" to have option to defend against things like that but u dont
@GoSpawn_ they are slowly trying to make the game a 3d again by making heat burst and command grabs steppable.. but there is way too many high frame advantage moves that are just straight absurd where you can't move on such plus frames and need to eat a mix. They tailored this game for worse players to one up on players they shouldn't necessarily be beating. At least you got the balls to say what it is.. others will follow the other and regurgitate the (skill issue) crap.
I play Ling and I absolutely agree.
Yeaa dude characters are juiced
Understandable takes.
Some may agree and some may disagree....appreciate u for tuning in
Tekken 8 has been such a big let down. I stopped playing this game after I read 1.05 patch notes 😂
Fix this non arcade beta of a game if you wanna keep your player base Bamco!
Great potential, great new mechanics but not executed properly.
This game need some TLC. I’ll wait a year later till they get this right before I start playing again.
I've always liked tekken...cool creative combos, huge roster to choose a lovable character from...but every tekken on release is a fckn busted
I don't know if this is your first Tekken game but we had safe mid launchers for eternity.
Also mixups are there in every Tekken game.
of course there are overturned characters like Feng which has been nerfed in the last patch but what you really asking for is to make every move jab punishable which is hilarious.
You need to realy get good before blaming the game, sorry for this harsh truth
It's easy for you to put me down from a by-standers POV...which let's me know u tweeted without thinking...its called an "Opinion"....soo stick to ur little hearthstone game yeahh??
Tekken is hard. It is more of playing against the player than the characters.
With some practice, you will end up understanding player tendencies after a round or two, then your defense mode kicks in.
Also every character has some OP values. It is about learning how to deal with moves when playing as an opponent and it takes time.
But I do see why you feel this is not the game for you. Good luck
There's no such thing as good defense if you live or die from probability
@@GoSpawn_L take
low parry isn't enough
Yeaa tornado should def come back if u make a hard read and low parry someone
- Makes a video with a faulty "opinion" dictated by lack of knowledge
- Has some people in the comments pointing out mistakes in his opinion
- Pins the comment with "stop telling me to git gud, y'all ass"
Brooo 😂
Can you stop me??....probably not
@@GoSpawn_ only thing that can stop you in your reasoning is your tekken king promo or whatever rank leo stops autocarrying nowadays
It's okay to be wrong bro, but being disrespectful to people who took time to watch your video and tried to help you to understand the game's balancing just makes you look dumb amd overconfident
skill issue
It could be
I can only play this one even after years for all of Tekken 7 but I also hate it, it's a double-edged sword. Every piece of advice is to study the game like a fuckin scientist with all your time. It's torture and you need to be a robot. Idk why I still play, I think out of spiteful desire to fuck up the constant mashers. I respect people actually dropping it though, it's so unfun unless you textbook it and make it a fuckin job.
Don't get me wrong if u have a chara ter you love...this game can be very fun but the whole casino thing is just too much