I loved that trade. I actually went to the first game Carlyle played as a Winnipeg Jet. March 9, 1984, IIRC. We sent a 9th overall pick in the 84 draft (Doug Bodger) to Pittsburgh. Carlyle became one of the Jets best defencemen for the remainder of the 80s.
The Penguins had the 1st round 1st overall pick in 1983 the year before the Mario draft (1984). The Penguins could have drafted Steve Yzerman or Pat Lafontaine in 1983. They didn't because it was all part of tanking to get Mario, YEAH RIGHT. The Penguins traded the 1st overall pick and George Ferguson to Minnesota for Anders Hakansson, Ron Meighan, and Minnesota's 1st round pick. The Pens would draft Bob Errey in the 1st round 15th overall with "Minnesota's" 1st round selection in 1983. Hakansson and Meighan would each play 1 year with the Pens scoring 9 and 2 goals total. NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT THIS BOGUS TRADE THAT MAKES NO SENSE. Why would you trade the 1st overall selection for nothing? It gets literally no attention and nobody links the mismanagement of 1983 to the "tanking" conspiracy.
There is no way that Pittsburgh had the intention of tanking in the 1983 off-season. For starters, scouting was not nearly as advanced as it is now. There were a lot of "misses" and busts. Pittsburgh was not a good team from 1982-84. They just happened to be lucky that the team (and the Devils) were horrible. My guess is it was probably sometime in early 1984 that they decided to tank for Lemieux, when they are with the Devils at the bottom of the standings. What the documentary does not tell yoou, is the 1992-93 Ottawa Senators were accused of tanking to get Alexandre Daigle, who was supposed to be the "next" french superstar. In the aftermath, the NHL would implement the draft lottery for 1994. Daigle, was of course, a bust. The irony was, if the Sens had finished ahead of San Jose that season, they would have probably drafted Chris Pronger, a future Hall of Famer.
Yep and it was a smart business decision to focus their ineptitude: look at the decades of Leafs general ineptitude and what did that get them? The Penguins understood the value of a true superstar and made moves to maximize the probability of that outcome. How many weeks until the follow up on Penguins strategic tanking?
I mean wasnt tanking the reason the NHL put in the lottery system? IE in the 2000s and 2010s once a team was out of the playoffs they would try to lose on purpose so that they can get number 1 draft pick.
1000000% they tanked for Lemieux. Who cares, “the tank” changed the pens futures for ever. With 66 they don’t get the two cups, Jagr, Sid, geno, flowers, 3 cups Mostly, they would have left Pittsburgh.
They done it 4 times like the Oilers at least my Leafs only done it once 🤔😏🤪 it does work usually gets you a cup, McDavid nearly got it last season, did Oilers tank to get Gretzky 🤔
@@September2004 🙄🤦♂️ my memory he went to the WHA because the 20 year-old minimum age back then of the NHL but if he was like Mario they definitely would of tanked who wouldn’t of 🤷♂️😏 crazy still to think the greatest ever player wasn’t drafted though 😏
@@Woody13ify That’s because they thought he was too skinny. So, as you said, he signed with the WHA because they allowed 17-year olds. But the reason he wasn’t drafted is that in exchange for not losing Gretzky (all WHA teams would have to give up all their players), the Oilers end up drafting last in each round that year.
Peter Pocklington signed Gretzky to a personal services contract. Meaning that he would get paid as a non-playing employee of the Oilers if the NHL would have forced him to enter the 1979 draft. Gretzky had refused to play for anyone other than the Oilers. It was an easy choice as NHL teams paid garbage salaries at the time.
EJ is hilarious. “I was just trying to get some goalies some experience at the end of the season”
The Randy Carlyle trade was the point where everyone knew they were watching full on tanking. He was the backbone of that Pens team.
I loved that trade. I actually went to the first game Carlyle played as a Winnipeg Jet. March 9, 1984, IIRC. We sent a 9th overall pick in the 84 draft (Doug Bodger) to Pittsburgh. Carlyle became one of the Jets best defencemen for the remainder of the 80s.
Smartest move they ever made. Tanking works in hockey. Period. Still does.
Canucks were stupid in 2023.
It's disrespectful to the game and to the fans. Chicago is going to find out next.
@@ront769 respect doesn’t win you Stanley Cups, talent does. That’s why we’re watching a TH-cam video about it.
@@thefutfounder9589 Yes, true.
The Penguins had the 1st round 1st overall pick in 1983 the year before the Mario draft (1984). The Penguins could have drafted Steve Yzerman or Pat Lafontaine in 1983. They didn't because it was all part of tanking to get Mario, YEAH RIGHT. The Penguins traded the 1st overall pick and George Ferguson to Minnesota for Anders Hakansson, Ron Meighan, and Minnesota's 1st round pick. The Pens would draft Bob Errey in the 1st round 15th overall with "Minnesota's" 1st round selection in 1983. Hakansson and Meighan would each play 1 year with the Pens scoring 9 and 2 goals total. NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT THIS BOGUS TRADE THAT MAKES NO SENSE. Why would you trade the 1st overall selection for nothing? It gets literally no attention and nobody links the mismanagement of 1983 to the "tanking" conspiracy.
There is no way that Pittsburgh had the intention of tanking in the 1983 off-season. For starters, scouting was not nearly as advanced as it is now. There were a lot of "misses" and busts. Pittsburgh was not a good team from 1982-84. They just happened to be lucky that the team (and the Devils) were horrible. My guess is it was probably sometime in early 1984 that they decided to tank for Lemieux, when they are with the Devils at the bottom of the standings.
What the documentary does not tell yoou, is the 1992-93 Ottawa Senators were accused of tanking to get Alexandre Daigle, who was supposed to be the "next" french superstar. In the aftermath, the NHL would implement the draft lottery for 1994. Daigle, was of course, a bust. The irony was, if the Sens had finished ahead of San Jose that season, they would have probably drafted Chris Pronger, a future Hall of Famer.
He is the most talented hockey player ever, Mario Lemieux . Eddie Johnson is a genius.
Yep and it was a smart business decision to focus their ineptitude: look at the decades of Leafs general ineptitude and what did that get them? The Penguins understood the value of a true superstar and made moves to maximize the probability of that outcome. How many weeks until the follow up on Penguins strategic tanking?
I mean wasnt tanking the reason the NHL put in the lottery system? IE in the 2000s and 2010s once a team was out of the playoffs they would try to lose on purpose so that they can get number 1 draft pick.
1000000% they tanked for Lemieux. Who cares, “the tank” changed the pens futures for ever. With 66 they don’t get the two cups, Jagr, Sid, geno, flowers, 3 cups
Mostly, they would have left Pittsburgh.
They were 18-53 in the prior season before "the tank season." Not, like they were President's trophy winners.
Did The Devils tank for Kirk Muller?
They took advantage of a system.
ya think? Who wouldn't?
They done it 4 times like the Oilers at least my Leafs only done it once 🤔😏🤪 it does work usually gets you a cup, McDavid nearly got it last season, did Oilers tank to get Gretzky 🤔
They couldn’t have tanked to get Gretzky since Gretzky was never drafted.
@@September2004 🙄🤦♂️ my memory he went to the WHA because the 20 year-old minimum age back then of the NHL but if he was like Mario they definitely would of tanked who wouldn’t of 🤷♂️😏 crazy still to think the greatest ever player wasn’t drafted though 😏
@@Woody13ify That’s because they thought he was too skinny.
So, as you said, he signed with the WHA because they allowed 17-year olds.
But the reason he wasn’t drafted is that in exchange for not losing Gretzky (all WHA teams would have to give up all their players), the Oilers end up drafting last in each round that year.
Peter Pocklington signed Gretzky to a personal services contract. Meaning that he would get paid as a non-playing employee of the Oilers if the NHL would have forced him to enter the 1979 draft. Gretzky had refused to play for anyone other than the Oilers. It was an easy choice as NHL teams paid garbage salaries at the time.
penguin fans have been spoiled with back to back generational talents thats why they're so cocky and arrogant with other fan bases
TSN are so salty about the Penguins lol
We stole Dubas from you, get over it 😂
Hmm who had the #2 pick that year? I wonder if there’s a connection between that and the narrative 😝 😂
Let's see, they sent their top scorer to the minors and then waived him out of the organization. Did they tank? Hell yeah they did.