I knew you had big balls but man .... you went to a whole new level, IMO .... flying an unknown AC with a known problem .... a suspected flutter problem!! So glad it went well. Thanks for sharing!!
That could be a tail dragger that somebody converted it to a tri gear. Also the elevator should be square with the underside of the wings. It looks to be maybe square to the top of the wings. Congratulations on your marriage!! I wish you both all the love & luck in the world. A very old builder & drone pilot I known this is old, but maybe the advice can help someone in the future
Thanks once again for taking us along. It’s great that you may be able to help them out. I’m not sure I would be brave enough to fly with a guy that needed help starting his plane and flying with him in a plane with a known problem(s). You are, at the very least, a brave ambassador. Thanks again, Gary
Jonas... I've watched basically every video you've ever posted and this is the only video where you can visually see the apprehension and nervousness in your face!
Thanks for the video. I watched it only to see some of Letuva and hear the spoken word. It is the native land of my grandparents and the language was spoken by my parents and all my aunts and uncles. So good to hear it again. Thank you.
Okay this is fantastic, and I’m totally blown away by Sylvia’s english and translating abilities 🤣 I took a second language for as long as I can remember, but I’d never be able to describe “bushings” or “tail flutter” or understand the nuances of gear-head communication in two languages 👏🏻 extremely well done
The quote of the day: "I think we should land." Thank you for the videos from Lithuania. Great fun! Certainly is nice when you bring your own translator. .
A few months ago we had just finished building an RV 12 and on its first flight the tail was shaking quite badly nobody could figure it out until a test pilot said the 1/4 inch gap between the wings and the fuselage had not been filled with the rubber strip required, so they taped it closed with duct tape and the tail stop shaking.
I would be taking the tail apart and taking a long hard look at all the mounts and proper rigging. That tail or elevator should not shake like it does. Bushing and proper size pin with proper rigging should fix that. Ailerons same thing, it should be more responsive. Enjoyed the video you have a beautiful translator. You are one hell of a lucky man. Have a great week. May God bless you two in all you do.
It would be interesting to have a GOPRO mounted on each side of the fuselage looking back at the tail to get a better idea of what is moving, twisting ect.
That Rudder and Elevator Hinge gap is mental - nearly a full slot.... Of course to reduce "flutter" - proper mass balancing is a good start - then start Aero Balancing... (gap sealing may also increase response)
That was awesome. The guys did a good job finishing the Capella. The engine sounds very strong. The climb out on takeoff is impressive for a 80hp engine. The rudder and horizontal stabilizer oscillation is worrisome but very fixable. First thing I’d check is the control surface gap on all flight controls to rule out flutter.
I was scared enough for everyone involved.......Flying by the seat of your pants comes to mind during this flight........Boy am I glad that went well......It's good to see you 2 again.
See its interesting how jonas starts explaining how you need to be on top of your power the whole time while landing, but im also taught in flying school to land without power, only adding it if necessary for a second or two. I guess every country has its flying style
There is a lot of up elevator being held to keep level or is there too much movement/slack in the elevator controls causing the oscillation - also is the C of G correct?
CG was a tad nose heavy. But the other reason is we were flying around so slow that we couldn’t get on step. My Capella when cruising the nose actually points down.
The CG should be plenty forward with two adult-sized children in the front seats, yet the elevators are pulled back pretty good. I wonder what the AOA on the horizontal stabilizers look like at cruise speed? Maybe they are angled a bit too high causing a nose down pitch. If there's enough AOA to cause flow separation, then that explains the buffeting, and also why with flaps down it goes away. As far as the flex from the shaking goes, you could try testing the vertical and horizontal stabilizers with weights and consistent forces like 15 pounds, and measure the deflections of each stabilizer. If they all move together, it's structurally loose at the empennage. If they don't deflect together, it's the tension wires. All the stabilizers do look smaller than I'm used to seeing, especially the vertical stabilizer. Being swept so much, I suspect that torsion could be where the deflection is occurring.
I like your ideas. All the comments will be read by the owner and pilot of the Capella in Lithuanian. They should be able to figure it out from all the good comments. Thanks for your input.
OMG kudos to Silvia for translating in real time!! I've done that for 30 min sessions and oh God it is mentally exhausting I guess translating to your mother language should be easier 🤔
Best part of the video…Sylvia driving a manual. It’s a lost skill in America. The aileron cable looks way loose. If the cable runs up the lift strut you can tighten the wire till is just barely slaps when you flick the stick on the opposite direction. That should get them really close. On the tail the flying wires looked like they were not tension equally. That can definitely be the cause of the shaking. Depending on the flying wire size used on the tail…take a yard stick, a meter stick is probably close enough, and put it’s straight edge against the wire. Then using a pull scale, fishing scale or similar, pull 15lbs on the wire and they should see 3/8” of deflection at the center of the yard stick. 3/8” of deflection is appropriate for 1/4” flying wires. Something less for smaller wires.
FWIW: My RANS S-7S has statically balanced elevators, lead weights forward of the hinge line. The rigging seemed to be tight enough, and strumming them for equal tone will highlight any tension difference. Could be a burble coming off the cockpit rear taper. Could be a combination of things....he could try some VG's on the hor stab bottom, about 1.5" ahead of the rear spar, using double sided carpet tape before committing to glue. A serious problem for sure. I'd also double check all the basic rigging: is the wing "square" to the fuselage, washout the same etc.
Hmmmmm "You got that worried look upon your face" as the song goes. Or it could be "Shake rattle and roll". Boy that plane needs some work but at least you got down ok both times. Take care, Octoman in NI UK
Jonas great video! I still haven’t flown my Capella XS yet. I listed it for sale but I’m thinking about keeping it. Im very interested in converting it into a nose-dragger.
There must be vortices coming off the wing roots and because of the shape of the back window, they are colliding with the tail. Perhaps some vg's in the right place could tame it.
Jonas should call his Capella buddy that they visited before. Maybe he’d have the answer for the tail. Good pins and rigging is real important. Awesome video. Looks like a great trip.
Jonas, always remember there is no such thing as an old bold pilot. I respect you trying to help the man but you have way to much to live for than get in a bird with known problems.
Just once on a calm evening I got mine up to "T" on the word knots. Off the end of a 120mph airspeed, about 130 mph, not the slightest vibe. On 80hp! This was an old 36" wide fuselage, taildragger.
The overall mechanical advantage of the controls from stick to control surface for both rudder and elevators could be a bit different between the two planes, causing your perception of being a bit sloppy.
Im just speculating right now but i know on model planes if the gap between the control surfaces is to wide it'll cause things to shake and do really odd things at higher speeds and from the video it looked like alot of space between them. Just a thought.
To me it really looked like the vertical stabilizer was the part doing the shaking. I’d be inside looking for cracks in tubing and welds before flying it again.
The smoothness of the windshield/ roof / rear window /door/ seams is more critical than people might think. You need laminar flow along the tail, or you will get buffeting. Poor fitting doors could be worth a look.
Wing fluttering is usually an incorrect cord length of the wing. I'm thinking the stabilisers and elevators would be the same. Measure other similar planes from leading edge to back and compare with that plane. Also there's no "wind" twist in elevators, by sitting a level on each side a eye the top for parallel.
Wonder if a guy named Reid Howell built this airplane, if so I owned the first Capella he made in Austin TX., and I got rid of it very quickly to an Air Force Cornell at Bergstrom AFB in Austin, damn glad to get it gone as it was a POS,, jimmy haley (aka, JR Haley)
IMO that nose looks off. That would make that prop wash flutter like when you let your back two windows down in a truck going down the road you feel and hear that buffeting. I think that’s what’s hitting the tail and causing that distortion, when you pull the flaps it changes the dynamic to where it does not do it anymore. Anyhow glad to see you flying again
I love listening to Sylvia and these people speaking .
I knew you had big balls but man .... you went to a whole new level, IMO .... flying an unknown AC with a known problem .... a suspected flutter problem!! So glad it went well. Thanks for sharing!!
That could be a tail dragger that somebody converted it to a tri gear. Also the elevator should be square with the underside of the wings. It looks to be maybe square to the top of the wings.
Congratulations on your marriage!! I wish you both all the love & luck in the world.
A very old builder & drone pilot
I known this is old, but maybe the advice can help someone in the future
So fun to hear Sylvia speaking her native language.
I'm almost half Lithuanian :-) first time I've ever seen the land or air there.. saying that, I've got my popcorn 🍿 and im watching
Thanks once again for taking us along. It’s great that you may be able to help them out. I’m not sure I would be brave enough to fly with a guy that needed help starting his plane and flying with him in a plane with a known problem(s). You are, at the very least, a brave ambassador.
Thanks again,
Gary
Silvija is a phenomenal translator!
Jonas... I've watched basically every video you've ever posted and this is the only video where you can visually see the apprehension and nervousness in your face!
Ya I was white knucklin it over here on my couch lolz
Jonas is a Flying Cowboy. He's got this, no sweat.
I think the phrase is Flying Cowboy Test Pilot, but no FAA jurisdiction there!
Flying cowboys usually don't end up with same ratio of T/O and landings.
Thanks for the video. I watched it only to see some of Letuva and hear the spoken word. It is the native land of my grandparents and the language was spoken by my parents and all my aunts and uncles. So good to hear it again. Thank you.
It’s Lietuva
Okay this is fantastic, and I’m totally blown away by Sylvia’s english and translating abilities 🤣 I took a second language for as long as I can remember, but I’d never be able to describe “bushings” or “tail flutter” or understand the nuances of gear-head communication in two languages 👏🏻 extremely well done
Really love reading the comments. was a treat to hear Sylvija speak so much. That hangar was crazy cool.
Beautiful landing Jonas!!
First time Jonas has ever looked worried.
The quote of the day: "I think we should land." Thank you for the videos from Lithuania. Great fun! Certainly is nice when you bring your own translator. .
You two never cease to amaze me. I really enjoy following your adventures. Now, time to get your Capella back in the air.
That looked like a lot of elevator there just to keep the thing level - was it nose-heavy or is that normal? But yes, great to see you flying again!
I love the cinematic vibe this video immediately gives off!
Love your channel. I would like to hear you doing your take off and landing check lists.
It is so great when I come online and see that you have posted a new video. It really makes my day. Thank you, Jonas and Silvija. Lots of smiles here.
I'm thrilled to see you flying again : )
good to see you flying
A few months ago we had just finished building an RV 12 and on its first flight the tail was shaking quite badly nobody could figure it out until a test pilot said the 1/4 inch gap between the wings and the fuselage had not been filled with the rubber strip required, so they taped it closed with duct tape and the tail stop shaking.
Thanks for fun video! I was surprised you made video in Lithuania! Subscribed!
Dude, you had me rolling on the floor B4 I even watched the video! That look says it all!
MARCINKOS + AIRPLANES = BRILLIANT!
Great video keep em coming!!
Always impressed by interpreters. Cute ones too. Square tail might be better.
I would be taking the tail apart and taking a long hard look at all the mounts and proper rigging. That tail or elevator should not shake like it does. Bushing and proper size pin with proper rigging should fix that. Ailerons same thing, it should be more responsive. Enjoyed the video you have a beautiful translator. You are one hell of a lucky man. Have a great week. May God bless you two in all you do.
If it were me that tail would have been apart the first time there was a shaking never mind the second or third time!
So cool! You guys are awesome. A great couple. Thanks for all your vids!
It’s so awesome to see you both married Finally. Glad you two were able to help out the owners of the cappella, spreading good will is cool.
Good to see some of your trip and events.
Hello Jonas
I would look in the fuselage, aft of the cabin. Make sure there is proper diagonal bracing. You could ref. your Capella.
MC
good idea!
Jonas, that was great of you to help these people. It was really nice that Silvija could translate. Nice job you two!
Nice little plane I like it
It would be interesting to have a GOPRO mounted on each side of the fuselage looking back at the tail to get a better idea of what is moving, twisting ect.
Keep us posted with what Reid says about the flutter. Great to see you flying again. So glad Sylvija is able to enjoy some time in her homeland :)
Glad you took the time to help those guys out. Grit a chance to fly an airplane over there.
looked sooo lose at mount im not a builder but take it apart ans see whats up,nice flight
Great flight true aviator ! Love the SAAB
Another cool vlog! Thanks for sharing!
I would be checking the welds on the frame.
Free play in the trim tab can cause oscillations also.
Gutsy test piloting. Thanks for sharing!
Sylvia being able to translate back and forth was amazing! See a couple of foxbats in the hanger to
That Rudder and Elevator Hinge gap is mental - nearly a full slot.... Of course to reduce "flutter" - proper mass balancing is a good start - then start Aero Balancing... (gap sealing may also increase response)
Really cool. I like how there is a church right next to the airport, just in case!! haha
Get flying, Jonas!😁
Good looking plane! The rear-window along with the tricycle gear is a nice look. Now there are 2 Capella Experts in Lithuania. Good job!
That was awesome. The guys did a good job finishing the Capella. The engine sounds very strong. The climb out on takeoff is impressive for a 80hp engine. The rudder and horizontal stabilizer oscillation is worrisome but very fixable. First thing I’d check is the control surface gap on all flight controls to rule out flutter.
I was scared enough for everyone involved.......Flying by the seat of your pants comes to mind during this flight........Boy am I glad that went well......It's good to see you 2 again.
See its interesting how jonas starts explaining how you need to be on top of your power the whole time while landing, but im also taught in flying school to land without power, only adding it if necessary for a second or two. I guess every country has its flying style
Big brass balls dude! Need to get you two back in the air. SOON.
There is a lot of up elevator being held to keep level or is there too much movement/slack in the elevator controls causing the oscillation - also is the C of G correct?
CG was a tad nose heavy. But the other reason is we were flying around so slow that we couldn’t get on step.
My Capella when cruising the nose actually points down.
Loved it, had me nervous when I saw the tail shake
Great observation that the vibration goes away with flaps. Yes the rigging may need some tweaking but that’s not all.
Nice video!
The real time translation was impressive, Sylvia.
You are a brave man. Too bad you couldn't have flown the Aeroprakt.
The CG should be plenty forward with two adult-sized children in the front seats, yet the elevators are pulled back pretty good. I wonder what the AOA on the horizontal stabilizers look like at cruise speed? Maybe they are angled a bit too high causing a nose down pitch. If there's enough AOA to cause flow separation, then that explains the buffeting, and also why with flaps down it goes away.
As far as the flex from the shaking goes, you could try testing the vertical and horizontal stabilizers with weights and consistent forces like 15 pounds, and measure the deflections of each stabilizer. If they all move together, it's structurally loose at the empennage. If they don't deflect together, it's the tension wires. All the stabilizers do look smaller than I'm used to seeing, especially the vertical stabilizer. Being swept so much, I suspect that torsion could be where the deflection is occurring.
I like your ideas. All the comments will be read by the owner and pilot of the Capella in Lithuanian. They should be able to figure it out from all the good comments. Thanks for your input.
OMG kudos to Silvia for translating in real time!! I've done that for 30 min sessions and oh God it is mentally exhausting
I guess translating to your mother language should be easier 🤔
as loose as everything else looks i would check the elevator trim tab that will make a tail shake
Wow, it is always cloudy in Lithuanian. I am glad Sun is out for one day?
Enjoyed the video, it was great content and so interesting. Thank you
Missed you guys, great video! I would be checking gusset supports, the tail is twisting.
Keeping up international relations, very nice.
I love that Sylvia is driving a manual transmission. Reminds me Norwegian wife when I would visit when we were seating 15+ years ago.
Awesome and scary at the same time. 😳
I like the tips too
Best part of the video…Sylvia driving a manual. It’s a lost skill in America.
The aileron cable looks way loose. If the cable runs up the lift strut you can tighten the wire till is just barely slaps when you flick the stick on the opposite direction. That should get them really close.
On the tail the flying wires looked like they were not tension equally. That can definitely be the cause of the shaking. Depending on the flying wire size used on the tail…take a yard stick, a meter stick is probably close enough, and put it’s straight edge against the wire. Then using a pull scale, fishing scale or similar, pull 15lbs on the wire and they should see 3/8” of deflection at the center of the yard stick. 3/8” of deflection is appropriate for 1/4” flying wires. Something less for smaller wires.
brave man
FWIW: My RANS S-7S has statically balanced elevators, lead weights forward of the hinge line. The rigging seemed to be tight enough, and strumming them for equal tone will highlight any tension difference. Could be a burble coming off the cockpit rear taper. Could be a combination of things....he could try some VG's on the hor stab bottom, about 1.5" ahead of the rear spar, using double sided carpet tape before committing to glue. A serious problem for sure. I'd also double check all the basic rigging: is the wing "square" to the fuselage, washout the same etc.
Hmmmmm "You got that worried look upon your face" as the song goes. Or it could be "Shake rattle and roll". Boy that plane needs some work but at least you got down ok both times. Take care, Octoman in NI UK
Jonas looks neeeeeeeervous! This is why you build your own stuff I guess Trusting other folks so high off the ground…..😳
The nose cone does not seem to be aligned, could the vibrations be "amplified" by the body to produce the shaking in the tail ?
Jonas great video! I still haven’t flown my Capella XS yet. I listed it for sale but I’m thinking about keeping it. Im very interested in converting it into a nose-dragger.
i would leave it a tail-dragger if it were me ;) but a nose wheel would be okay also
There must be vortices coming off the wing roots and because of the shape of the back window, they are colliding with the tail. Perhaps some vg's in the right place could tame it.
Excellent!!!!
Hey Jonas! Reach out the next time you're in Lithuania. We'll do some proper sight seeing of Lithuania with a Cessna Cardinal!
Janas, labai stipriai susirūpinęs. Manau kitą kartą bus visai gerai - Dambavoje.
Jonas should call his Capella buddy that they visited before. Maybe he’d have the answer for the tail. Good pins and rigging is real important. Awesome video. Looks like a great trip.
Jonas, always remember there is no such thing as an old bold pilot. I respect you trying to help the man but you have way to much to live for than get in a bird with known problems.
Flying!
This sounds like flutter on the tail. this means take the elevators off and see where the center of gravity is.
Id be interested to hear the cause, effect and remedy theory, just out of interest.
Looking at the flight , this tail shaking should be fixed. The rudder is fluttering. This will get worse and the tail will come off at one stage.
Hi, a little bit scairy to fly this plane, i think it was very risky to go up in that plane with not so much control ! take care. Hello from france
172 fluttered id say tighten up . What note do they play? Tune em sharp
Just once on a calm evening I got mine up to "T" on the word knots. Off the end of a 120mph airspeed, about 130 mph, not the slightest vibe. On 80hp! This was an old 36" wide fuselage, taildragger.
The overall mechanical advantage of the controls from stick to control surface for both rudder and elevators could be a bit different between the two planes, causing your perception of being a bit sloppy.
Im just speculating right now but i know on model planes if the gap between the control surfaces is to wide it'll cause things to shake and do really odd things at higher speeds and from the video it looked like alot of space between them. Just a thought.
yup, and also slack in the hinges. I had the same thought. Or maybe pushrod end slack (if it's a pushrod system)
@@VoidedWarranty looks like it's pull pull
@@jakebrumfield9956 Duct tape could be used to seal the gap to test this theory.
That tail and empennage seem to be out of alignment. It will eventually shake itself apart. Not good.
at least Sylvia learned how to drive on the correct side of the road
To me it really looked like the vertical stabilizer was the part doing the shaking. I’d be inside looking for cracks in tubing and welds before flying it again.
It's just a happy little fella
Jonas, the hinge gap between the vertical and the rudder appears huge. Could that not cause the buffering in the tail feathers?
You are a brave soul Jonas! The nose just comes right up. So did you make any adjustments?
The smoothness of the windshield/ roof / rear window /door/ seams is more critical than people might think. You need laminar flow along the tail, or you will get buffeting. Poor fitting doors could be worth a look.
One wonders if the fastback design was to resolve turbulence off the back of the cockpit...
Wing fluttering is usually an incorrect cord length of the wing. I'm thinking the stabilisers and elevators would be the same.
Measure other similar planes from leading edge to back and compare with that plane. Also there's no "wind" twist in elevators, by sitting a level on each side a eye the top for parallel.
Wonder if a guy named Reid Howell built this airplane, if so I owned the first Capella he made in Austin TX., and I got rid of it very quickly to an Air Force Cornell at Bergstrom AFB in Austin, damn glad to get it gone as it was a POS,, jimmy haley (aka, JR Haley)
IMO that nose looks off. That would make that prop wash flutter like when you let your back two windows down in a truck going down the road you feel and hear that buffeting.
I think that’s what’s hitting the tail and causing that distortion, when you pull the flaps it changes the dynamic to where it does not do it anymore.
Anyhow glad to see you flying again
Lithuania looks a lot like Minnesota, seems like a great place to visit.
Yes, always cloudy with a high suicide rate. Same / Same.
indeed like Minnesota, similar nature