Larry Vickers was the first person I saw running this setup for a weapon light on a long gun . Ever since I saw this setup years ago , I have ran my rifles this way . Glad to see other people embracing this setup.
I like handgun lights for long guns because they’re cheaper. As for the pressure pad, that sounds like a training issue. I haven’t had those problems, day or night. If you can’t pick up your rifle without activating the pressure pad, you need to train more. If light discipline isn’t something you’re constantly aware of, you need to train more (preferably with NODs). Long story short, your buddy had a lack of training issue, not an improper setup issue.
TLR RM1 on ALL my long guns AND AR (7.5) Pistols...at 2oclock is perfect for me. Beware, you'll need at least 7-8 rail spaces for mounting or the tape switch cover below the thumb switch will fall off. No tape switch...agree w/Abner.
For the sake of this topic, Modlite PL-350 with OKW head be perfect wml, PLHv2 & PLH5k heads also available. Pistol wml with 680 lumens & 69K candela. One of the wml options I use. Some will state it doesnt have momentary, but how difficult is it to use the switch to turn the light on and off quickly (momentary). I also live in an Urban setting and prefer to have a higher candela such as Modlite or Cloud Defensive wml to be able to penetrate past the surrounding light from buildings, street lights, vehicles, etc. At the end, best to have a wml or a handheld at least than no light at all.
Checkout the Cloud Defensive OWL. They’ve also got the REIN and REIN Micro. They’re doin some next level ish with WML’s!! I’ve got that on my home defense gun and my Surefire Scout with tape switch , on my edc “pistol” AR. The guy hittin the switch and poppin his light clearly hasn’t trained with that setup. Ive used a tape switch for years and haven’t “accidentally” hit the light since I first put it on there. Pistol lights are definitely an option. My only issue with them is MOST of them don’t have the throw you would need if you’ve got to use your primary. Yes the X300U and the TLR-1 HL do, but the rest of them don’t have the candela for any distance. And if anyone is typing out ‘Olight’ in your reply to me just delete your entire comment and move on. Lol anyways, Good video tip!!
Tape switched lead to light ND's. If you don't have a tape switch it's nearly impossible to have a light ND. Another bonus to running pistol lights on your long guns, the lights also work on your pistol. Redundancy and contingency all in one.
@@225degrees Rear activated push button probably the least likely for ND of light. Switch on X300 or Tlr-1 can be bumped as well. As for switch pad, some more easily depressed than others. I do like the CD Rein switch pad, less likely to ND. Mod button from modlite great as well. I believe there are better options for switch pads than before.
@@XtremeAdventures671 No doubt there are some great options for pads. They all come with the same risk of a light ND and all cost more than a simple tube light with clicky switch. The CD or Modlite options are expensive, they limit you to weapon use only and you're slaved to a wall socket for power.
I do have a pressure pad connected to my X300U-B on the top rail, but I'm running a quad rail so I can grip my AFG and use my thumb in a modified c-clamp on the side rail portion of the quad rail.
I've been using X300U on my ARs for years . I took a class 7 or 8 years ago with LAV. I saw he was using X300U at 12 o'clock position . He let me shoot his BCM and I worked the X300U and fell in love with that setup . My go too 12.5 and 13.7 both have X300U ran at 12 o'clock. It's been working fine for 5+ years so why fix it if it's not broken
Not even close dude. I was doing this before Larry Was. He started doing it when he got in bed with Daniel Defense. But I was doing this all the way back in 2000.
This setup is great if you don't consider owning a NightVision. Maybe for a small home defense gun light like this works, but not really for a true fighting rifle
You are so deeply wrong on your appraisal of this setup. I have trained with special forces operators and they're the ones who would repeatedly say "just give me a plain old M4..."
@@Tier1Citizen I don't get the point of your comment or this video, theses Tier 1 guys you are talking about don't use pressure pads on lights for this exact reason, they just use a momentary button the light comes with. Not to mention there is still a greater chance of you ADing your light with this pistol light thing than just using a plain rifle light. Imagine using this dumb set up in any actual conflict, like you're talking about in the video, you accidentally bump your rifle, oops you're fucked. I mean it would literally take a second to find a video about this from a tier 1 GWOT guy with more time in confit than anyone on earth, there's tons of them with TH-cam channels that have talked on this subject.
Great content as always! The main reason I see guys not doing pistol lights at 12oclock like that is because they are saving that rail space for some kind of night vision laser device. What's your opinion on night vision stuff? Is night vision more of a toy than a tool for civilians?
Definitely not just a toy. A force multiplier for certain and having the most advantages over your threat is always the goal. With that said, it’s VERY expensive and requires significant training. Just walking and running in NOD’s is a learned and diminishable skill. The cheapest to get into it, if you’ve already got a gun setup for it, is $3k-$4k all the way up to $50k for panoramics/quads. If you can afford it and have somewhere to train with it and shoot at night than go for it. Plus it’s just fun!
@@KendrasEdge757 good points. I think what I should have asked is if night vision is useful for most situations that civilians would find themselves in. I would love to have it because its super cool. It seems like a huge tactical advantage in ambush situations, but as a civilian whose reacting to violence not premeditating it, night vision seems kinda useless. Don't get me wrong, I want it and I think anyone who wants it should be able to have it, but I'm trying to guage where it should be on my priorities as something I need or something I just want.
@M. Denz yeah, my experiences with them, they are not to hard to use after wearing them for a few minutes. Granted I was not moving super quickly or over unknown terrain though.
@@benmarshall5984 yeah it’s usually the last thing people get into based on cost and use. Even just reacting I’d rather have it, but most situations are much more dynamic for us civilians.
I run a Streamlight TLR-9 at 12 O'clock on my AR pistol. It has ambidextrous controls--tap once for continuous light or press and hold for momentary. Once you release the switch it turns off. Oh, yes--it's 1,000 lumens.
Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that. We used to find lights on the ground at rifle classes and guys wouldn't even realize it was theirs until the instructor would say "everyone reach for your light right now and activate it at the target." Then you'd hear some guy on the line say "oh man, are you kidding me, where's my light?" Then the instructor would say "I'm holding it in my hand!"
Now that is some good thinking. I'm glad I'm not the only one who believes that handguns lights can go on a rifle. I need to do this with my home defense AR.
Do you have your red dot lower 1/3 or absolute? I'd like to hear your thoughts about running fixed front and rear sights instead of flip up ones, please. I have Scalarworks fixed front and rear sights on mine as I got ton of time and training using iron sights way, way back in the day. I feel really comfortable with irons but I'm thinking about getting a red dot as well. Any comments anyone else wants to leave are welcome as well. I hope y'all are enjoying your day. Cheers
And here I thought I was a freak for preferring pistol lights on my rifles.
No sir, you are not alone. You can find some sick sidearm lights on Outsider Tactical. Brand new outta GA w/ crazy prices
Ahead of the curve lol
Larry Vickers was the first person I saw running this setup for a weapon light on a long gun . Ever since I saw this setup years ago , I have ran my rifles this way . Glad to see other people embracing this setup.
Exactly right. I've had handgun lites on my defense carbine for several years.
If I pop someone's melon twice, it's because they're hunting me in my home.
I ain't no sniper....
I do something similar with an Streamlight HLX mounted offset on the right side using a clicky switch. Works great with my BCM kmr rail being so thin
I like handgun lights for long guns because they’re cheaper. As for the pressure pad, that sounds like a training issue. I haven’t had those problems, day or night. If you can’t pick up your rifle without activating the pressure pad, you need to train more. If light discipline isn’t something you’re constantly aware of, you need to train more (preferably with NODs). Long story short, your buddy had a lack of training issue, not an improper setup issue.
Agree.
It is a training issue and a set up issues all rolled into one.
TLR RM1 on ALL my long guns AND AR (7.5) Pistols...at 2oclock is perfect for me. Beware, you'll need at least 7-8 rail spaces for mounting or the tape switch cover below the thumb switch will fall off. No tape switch...agree w/Abner.
I ordered a pistol light for my AR pistol yesterday. I'm gonna try it!
Ohhhhh man. I’ve been waiting for this video. Thanks, Abner!
For the sake of this topic, Modlite PL-350 with OKW head be perfect wml, PLHv2 & PLH5k heads also available. Pistol wml with 680 lumens & 69K candela. One of the wml options I use. Some will state it doesnt have momentary, but how difficult is it to use the switch to turn the light on and off quickly (momentary).
I also live in an Urban setting and prefer to have a higher candela such as Modlite or Cloud Defensive wml to be able to penetrate past the surrounding light from buildings, street lights, vehicles, etc.
At the end, best to have a wml or a handheld at least than no light at all.
Checkout the Cloud Defensive OWL. They’ve also got the REIN and REIN Micro. They’re doin some next level ish with WML’s!! I’ve got that on my home defense gun and my Surefire Scout with tape switch , on my edc “pistol” AR. The guy hittin the switch and poppin his light clearly hasn’t trained with that setup. Ive used a tape switch for years and haven’t “accidentally” hit the light since I first put it on there. Pistol lights are definitely an option. My only issue with them is MOST of them don’t have the throw you would need if you’ve got to use your primary. Yes the X300U and the TLR-1 HL do, but the rest of them don’t have the candela for any distance. And if anyone is typing out ‘Olight’ in your reply to me just delete your entire comment and move on. Lol anyways, Good video tip!!
Tape switched lead to light ND's. If you don't have a tape switch it's nearly impossible to have a light ND. Another bonus to running pistol lights on your long guns, the lights also work on your pistol. Redundancy and contingency all in one.
@@225degrees Rear activated push button probably the least likely for ND of light. Switch on X300 or Tlr-1 can be bumped as well. As for switch pad, some more easily depressed than others. I do like the CD Rein switch pad, less likely to ND. Mod button from modlite great as well. I believe there are better options for switch pads than before.
@@XtremeAdventures671 No doubt there are some great options for pads. They all come with the same risk of a light ND and all cost more than a simple tube light with clicky switch. The CD or Modlite options are expensive, they limit you to weapon use only and you're slaved to a wall socket for power.
I do have a pressure pad connected to my X300U-B on the top rail, but I'm running a quad rail so I can grip my AFG and use my thumb in a modified c-clamp on the side rail portion of the quad rail.
There’s also a reason to put it on top..instead
@@108pel I know. I saw that video and I agree with the points made. For my purposes, having it at the 3 o'clock works.
Incredible aim.
I've been using X300U on my ARs for years . I took a class 7 or 8 years ago with LAV. I saw he was using X300U at 12 o'clock position . He let me shoot his BCM and I worked the X300U and fell in love with that setup . My go too 12.5 and 13.7 both have X300U ran at 12 o'clock. It's been working fine for 5+ years so why fix it if it's not broken
I’m smelling some Larry Vickers inspiration here
Not even close dude. I was doing this before Larry Was. He started doing it when he got in bed with Daniel Defense. But I was doing this all the way back in 2000.
This setup is great if you don't consider owning a NightVision. Maybe for a small home defense gun light like this works, but not really for a true fighting rifle
You are so deeply wrong on your appraisal of this setup. I have trained with special forces operators and they're the ones who would repeatedly say "just give me a plain old M4..."
@@Tier1Citizen I don't get the point of your comment or this video, theses Tier 1 guys you are talking about don't use pressure pads on lights for this exact reason, they just use a momentary button the light comes with. Not to mention there is still a greater chance of you ADing your light with this pistol light thing than just using a plain rifle light. Imagine using this dumb set up in any actual conflict, like you're talking about in the video, you accidentally bump your rifle, oops you're fucked. I mean it would literally take a second to find a video about this from a tier 1 GWOT guy with more time in confit than anyone on earth, there's tons of them with TH-cam channels that have talked on this subject.
@wafflehouse6650 I just came upon your comment. Where you looking for dialogue or just wanting to punch me in the nose?
Great content as always! The main reason I see guys not doing pistol lights at 12oclock like that is because they are saving that rail space for some kind of night vision laser device. What's your opinion on night vision stuff? Is night vision more of a toy than a tool for civilians?
Definitely not just a toy. A force multiplier for certain and having the most advantages over your threat is always the goal. With that said, it’s VERY expensive and requires significant training. Just walking and running in NOD’s is a learned and diminishable skill. The cheapest to get into it, if you’ve already got a gun setup for it, is $3k-$4k all the way up to $50k for panoramics/quads. If you can afford it and have somewhere to train with it and shoot at night than go for it. Plus it’s just fun!
@@KendrasEdge757 good points. I think what I should have asked is if night vision is useful for most situations that civilians would find themselves in. I would love to have it because its super cool. It seems like a huge tactical advantage in ambush situations, but as a civilian whose reacting to violence not premeditating it, night vision seems kinda useless. Don't get me wrong, I want it and I think anyone who wants it should be able to have it, but I'm trying to guage where it should be on my priorities as something I need or something I just want.
@M. Denz yeah, my experiences with them, they are not to hard to use after wearing them for a few minutes. Granted I was not moving super quickly or over unknown terrain though.
@@benmarshall5984 yeah it’s usually the last thing people get into based on cost and use. Even just reacting I’d rather have it, but most situations are much more dynamic for us civilians.
I run a Streamlight TLR-9 at 12 O'clock on my AR pistol. It has ambidextrous controls--tap once for continuous light or press and hold for momentary. Once you release the switch it turns off. Oh, yes--it's 1,000 lumens.
I've ran an x300 at 12 o'clock since 2014. I think it's perfect for me.
What kind of holster do you for your 17 glock please
That's just an old school BSA from Bravo Concealment.
@@Tier1Citizen Thanks
Had a baldr mini on 12 o clock position but it fell off while shooting and i didn't notice until i got home 🙃
Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that. We used to find lights on the ground at rifle classes and guys wouldn't even realize it was theirs until the instructor would say "everyone reach for your light right now and activate it at the target." Then you'd hear some guy on the line say "oh man, are you kidding me, where's my light?" Then the instructor would say "I'm holding it in my hand!"
@@Tier1Citizen at least I'm not the only one haha. maybe I'll throw a ranger band or two around the next one and possibly loctite it down?
Also thank you for the content! I just subscribed the other day.
Loctite is always a good choice.
Welcome aboard.
Now that is some good thinking. I'm glad I'm not the only one who believes that handguns lights can go on a rifle. I need to do this with my home defense AR.
Do you have your red dot lower 1/3 or absolute? I'd like to hear your thoughts about running fixed front and rear sights instead of flip up ones, please. I have Scalarworks fixed front and rear sights on mine as I got ton of time and training using iron sights way, way back in the day. I feel really comfortable with irons but I'm thinking about getting a red dot as well. Any comments anyone else wants to leave are welcome as well. I hope y'all are enjoying your day. Cheers
I have this one set up for lower third. I have guns that are set up both ways, it's just a preference thing.
@@Tier1Citizen Good to go. Thank you very much.
Modlite let's you have the best of both worlds now.
With the reliance on rechargeable batteries, which means you're slaved to a wall socket. No thanks.
I use a pistol upfront or above the magwell for the same reasons. Also doesn't blind the dogshit outta myself
Short AR has Streamlight with white light and IR light&laser. Floods the room.
Rifle lights need to go rifle distances though 🤷♂️
500 yard lights? 1000 yards? 👀
@@OGsDangerShowcheck out weltool
At offensive rifle distances you aren’t using the defensive tactical set up he is describing.
I run a airsoft weapon light on my rifle without a pressure pad and so far so good. I am on a very fix budget
Hot button for the win
Abner is a good biblical name.
God bless