14 | Controlling orchestral libraries directly via MIDI CC | Touché Tutorials
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Hardware presets in Lié can not only be used with hardware synths, but are also useful to control any instrument that can't be hosted in Lié, but accepts MIDI CCs. We show how to prepare Touché for standalone usage with a library from Orchestral Tools in Kontakt by creating a hardware preset that sends suitable MIDI CCs.
Learn how to handle hardware presets in this video: • 13 | Creating hardware...
Further information on how to use Touché as USB MIDI standalone device with your specific DAW is available here: expressivee.happyfox.com/kb/s...
All our Touché in-depth Tutorials are available in this playlist: • Touché Official Tutorials
Touché SE owners can't use hardware presets, but can use the MIDI Setup in Lié to configure their device for Standalone usage:
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So can the se model not perform these type of cc duties ?
Hi,
thanks for your question! Touché SE doesn't support hardware presets, but it can still send up to 4 MIDI CCs + pitch bend.
The setup process shown in the video, with having a hardware preset in Lié and Kontakt open in parallel, and re-routing MIDI wouldn't work.
But if you stick to the same slot settings I showed in this video, and apply them to the so-called 'MIDI Setup' of Touché SE, you will end up with your SE sending exactly the same CCs as the flagship Touché would do. The MIDI Setup of the SE is a kind of stripped down version of a hardware preset, since it only has 4 CCs + pitchbend. It defines the MIDI CCs being sent by Touché SE when in standalone mode. You can access it in Líé via Menu -> MIDI Setup.
Please note that you will only have one sole such MIDI setup loaded, as soon as Touché SE enters standalone mode. You can't switch through 24 real hardware presets as is the case with the classic Touché. You are limited to the one that is currently configured in the internal memory of your SE.
I hope this information was helpful to you.
Best,
Chris
Thanks for the detailed response! I got it!
Well, thanks for making these videos. This really is a lovely bit of kit and these comprehensive videos really have helped make the journey easy. Well done.
Thanks a lot! :)
What is with all the negativity and general rudeness in the comments? Belive me, I'm having a fair share of software issues with it but so many people are acting like it should just magically work and pretty frankly with an instrument this complex its going to take some setting up. Not only that but most of the questions I see being quite rudely asked are already answered in this extremely well put together tutorial series and FAQ. Although I have my qualms with this device, I really appreciate your guys team for your kind responses, and constant support. Please keep going with these wonderful projects!
Excellent video, keep up the good work!
I'm looking forward to getting my Touche on Thursday! This is the exact reason I bought one. I want to control orchestral instruments.
Hi Jo, Thanks for your purchase. Don't hesitate to get in touch if we can assist you along the way: expressivee.happyfox.com/new
Very cool.
great video. I wonder, apart from being able to save the preset and set the curves, is there a difference between this workflow and just midi leaning/mapping the standard channels from the touche to parameters in the plugin?
Great tutorial! When will be an ipad lie version
available? Simple midi routing on ipad would be enough. Does Touche respond to midilearn function of ipad synths (eg. korg module, isem, moog d, galileo, syntronic ik multimedia etc.)? I would like to use Touche Se on live gig with ipad as a pitchbend/modulation/cutoff/resonance and other cc’s. I do not have pitchbend/modulation on my keyboard and I want to replace it with Touche Se and ipad sounds. Is it possible? Thanks for your great job and innovation.
Hi, thanks a lot for your comment!
An iPad version of Lié is not planned for the time being. However, since Touché and Touché SE send regular MIDI CC, the MIDI Learn functions of iPad synths will react just fine. If the iPad app expects a certain CC for a certain parameter, you could still change the hardware preset of Touché or the MIDI setup of Touché SE (e.g. set CC1 for modulation wheel ).
Important hint when MIDI learning CCs: Since Touché (SE) is very sensitive, it will probably send CCs on multiple axes when pushing it. it can be a bit tedious when your app expects a single CC to learn the parameter.
Decrease the Touché sensitivity to the minimum by turning the Encoder counter-clockwise, to have a higher probability to catch the correct CC. If you can manually select this in the app, it's CC16 for Bottom, CC17 for Top, CC18 for Left and CC19 for Right.
@@ExpressiveE great tip, I was having this exact issue and this helped a ton
Love this. Need one! what are the strings and choir daw you are using? Thanks
Thanks for your comment. The sounds are from Metropolis Ark 4 by Orchestral Tools.
So you’ll have to do this setup for every instrument preset? Or is a way to set this asa standard for all my Kontakt/Hardware synth uses?
Assuming I want the same level of parameters as show here
Hey Alexandra, if your synths all expect the same CC messages, then you can create a setup that more or less fits them all. Different manufacturers however tend to offer a different set of features and controls, and defined a different set of CC messages that steer them. Therefore, a one-fits-all solution is rarely feasable, although simple stuff like mapping the modulation CC1 to one pressure axis, and activating pitch bend should work in nearly every case.
When sticking to the products of one manufacturer though, you can get quite a good compatibility with just one Touché hardware preset. Precondition is that the manufacturer uses the same design logic across multiple instruments.
Oh no! Wish I had seen this before buying the SE! 😱
Hi, Be aware that Touché SE doesn't support hardware presets, but it can still send up to 4 MIDI CCs + pitch bend.
The setup process shown in the video, with having a hardware preset in Lié and Kontakt open in parallel, and re-routing MIDI wouldn't work.
But if you stick to the same slot settings I showed in this video, and apply them to the so-called 'MIDI Setup' of Touché SE, you will end up with your SE sending exactly the same CCs as the flagship Touché would do. The MIDI Setup of the SE is a kind of stripped down version of a hardware preset, since it only has 4 CCs + pitchbend. It defines the MIDI CCs being sent by Touché SE when in standalone mode. You can access it in Líé via Menu -> MIDI Setup.
Please note that you will only have one sole such MIDI setup loaded, as soon as Touché SE enters standalone mode. You can't switch through 24 real hardware presets as is the case with the classic Touché. You are limited to the one that is currently configured in the internal memory of your SE.
I hope this information was helpful to you.
Best,
Chris
So does this work on touché se ? Can you set for example top dynamic and sideways expression?
Hi Pytox,
thanks for your question! Touché SE doesn't support hardware presets, but it can still send up to 4 MIDI CCs + pitch bend.
The setup process shown in the video, with having a hardware preset in Lié and Kontakt open in parallel, and re-routing MIDI wouldn't work.
But if you stick to the same slot settings I showed in this video, and apply them to the so-called 'MIDI Setup' of Touché SE, you will end up with your SE sending exactly the same CCs as the flagship Touché would do. The MIDI Setup of the SE is a kind of stripped down version of a hardware preset, since it only has 4 CCs + pitchbend. It defines the MIDI CCs being sent by Touché SE when in standalone mode. You can access it in Líé via Menu -> MIDI Setup.
Please note that you will only have one sole such MIDI setup loaded, as soon as Touché SE enters standalone mode. You can't switch through 24 real hardware presets as is the case with the classic Touché. You are limited to the one that is currently configured in the internal memory of your SE.
I hope this information was helpful to you.
Best,
Chris
Is it possible to use this with your feet instead of hand, i.e. as a foot pedal?
We don't recommend using your feet to control Touché. Although the unit itself is pretty durable, there are several reasons for this
- the touch-plate is only held magnetically and might be displaced when stepping on it
- the mechanism is meant to already move when only slight pressure is applied. This is true for lateral movements as well. Even though you can adjust the stiffness of the lateral movement, it will easily give way to the weight that is expected when you step on it.
- the Touché's sensors are very reactive, so that you probably won't be able to get the most out of it, unless you are foot painter ;)
That doesn't mean that you theoretically couldn't get great results if you take care, perhaps sitting and using it without your shoes on, but we unfortunately can't offer support for a Touché that has been regularly stepped upon, taking into account the normal beatings and dirt that a guitarists stomp box rig has to swallow. :)
@@ExpressiveE u should make one for foot use too I think
@@MK-dg6qj Dont see the point. Theres only
so much you can do with feet thats dynamically controlled. You’d end up with just a normal midi pedal lol Zoning wouldnt matter and neither would light touch. And you would get zero side touch functions.
@@FanaticDrummer yea that makes sense
Its 2023 and all native instruments software is installed via native access only and no VST is installled (only AU/VST3 afaik). As such, Lie does not recognize kontakt or massive etc, when scanning. Known issue? or am I doing something wrong?
I'm confusing about the automation on logic X with touche se.how to automate all four cc .ie up,down ,left ,right
Hi, this sounds as if some CC was blocked by Logic Pro X, due to it being mapped as Smart Control (perhaps unintentionally): bit.ly/2VCYCWl
You will find general, comprehensive info about the setup in Logic and where to find automation data here: bit.ly/2Isz2hS
Open a ticket here, should you need more help: expressivee.happyfox.com/new
Wow!
can I use the touch se just as an external pitch bend controller? Like the horizontal axis pitch benders seen in korg keyboards?
Yes, you can - and so much more :) Keep in mind that Touché SE only allows you to control software synthesizers as Touché can modulate sounds from hardware and software synths!
Would like a guide on how to map to Logic Pro’s instruments
For Logic's internal instruments, it's a bit tricky. Since these are offered as AU only, Lié can't host them, you need to use the MIDI mapping routine of Logic Pro instead.
To be clear: Most 3rd party soft synths work just fine in Lié in Logic, it's just that Apple doesn't offer a VST format version of their internal instruments: expressivee.happyfox.com/kb/article/121-setting-up-touchli-in-logic-pro-x
do you have a video with the mapping utility for ableton
Thanks for your message. This is in preparation. For the moment, there is only this article available (scroll down to the bottom): expressivee.happyfox.com/kb/article/119-setting-up-touchli-in-ableton-live/
Is it possible to control East West Hollywood strings dynamics, expression vibrato with the Touche? I am on Ableton Live 10
Hi, yes this is possible. It works in the same manner as shown in the video you commented on. EWQL works mostly with MIDI CCs as well.
Ableton allows redirecting the Lié MIDI output to another track as long as you use Lié as VST, so you can set stuff up in real-time. Here's a quick screen capture of the forwarding, it's as simple as choosing "Lié" as MIDI input for a track: www.dropbox.com/s/ef526kjalno1ifj/Li%C3%A9_Live_CCsRouting_SoftSynth.mov?dl=0
@@ExpressiveE Thanks for the quick reply!
@@ExpressiveE This works for both Touche and Touche SE?
@@domcifarelli4898 Hi Dom, please check our response to the pinned comment of "Nate Tha Composer". :)
This feature is only for touché right? Not for SE models? Also if it is for SE models, can you also show how to do this on some more Kontakt Patches?
Hi Ishan,
thanks for your question! Touché SE doesn't support hardware presets, so the setup process shown, with having a hardware preset in Lié and Kontakt open in parallel, and re-routing MIDI wouldn't work.
That being said, if you stick to the same slot settings I showed in this video, and apply them to the so-called 'MIDI Setup' of Touché SE, you will end up with your SE sending exactly the same CCs as Touché would do. The MIDI Setup of the SE is a kind of stripped down version of a hardware preset, since it only has 4 CCs + pitchbend. It defines the MIDI CCs being sent by Touché SE when in standalone mode. You can access it in Líé via Menu -> MIDI Setup.
Please note that you will only have one sole such MIDI setup loaded, as soon as Touché SE enters standalone mode. You can't switch through 24 real hardware presets as is the case with the classic Touché. You are limited to the one that is currently configured in the internal memory of your SE.
I hope this information was helpful to you,
Chris
With the touché you cant play with the left hand, thats why Footpedals were created
Hi did you project to made lié for Windows 7? I would like to buy it but I'm on Windows 7 (and I'm pretty sure there is a lot of people on the same case)
Hi Ben, thanks for your comment and the suggestion. Unfortunately, there are no plans to offer support for Microsoft operating systems older than Windows 10. I'm sorry that I don't have better news for you.
@@ExpressiveE Hi, ok thank you for your answer, so it is possible to use it without lié, and have the same precision by only midi cc?
@@coolben1310 You will have the same precision put out even without Lié, but in order to alter the standard set of CCs being sent by Touché (SE), you still need to launch Lié on a compatible computer. More regarding Touché SE's standalone mode here: th-cam.com/video/dlAA3lL71SM/w-d-xo.html
What’s that Midi Keyboard?
It's an Arturia KeyStep.
The type of keyboard isn't important however. Toche works independently to it.
I wish you guys would team up with the folks at Orchestral Tools (and Spitfire Audio) in order to offer better integration of Touché ... The benefits of your controller for bringing out the best in orchestral libraries are obvious and something film scorers / mock-up composers have been dreaming about for ages. However, the setup process you've just taken us through here is a real turn-off, and ultimately a no-go for me ... After having spent the entire morning considering either the Touché or Touché-SE for precisely this usage that's a huge disappointment :(
Hi Jean-Michel, thanks for your suggestion. Please be aware that the scenario we showcase here is a bit over-the-top (deliberately) to showcase the maximum possibilities. All this CC changing is not necessary normally.
For your everyday workflow, you would just play one sound in one track. If you would like to use one axis as CC1 mod wheel and another as CC7 volume, assign this to a slot in Lié, save it to the device, and you are good to go for any library that reacts to these MIDI CCs.
However, we agree that a direct integration would be a cool thing to have. We are working on something, but I can't tell more for the time being.
@@ExpressiveE Hi there ! I appreciate your feedback ! Yes, that's typically the sort of thing I'd want to implement.
When you say "save to the device" do you mean to the Touché for use in standalone mode ? In which case it rules out the idea of purchasing the SE model with its unique programmable preset ... Is standalone mode the only way to pull off what we're describing here ?
Cheers !
PS : Any idea when an announcement can be expected, with regards to what you were hinting at in that last comment ;) ?
@@JeanMichelGeorge Hi, "save to the device" can be done with Touché SE as well. It has a standalone mode and you can change the behaviour of it inside Lié's 'MIDI Setup'. The standalone mode is limited to sending 4 MIDI CCs plus pitchbend, but the slots can be adjusted in every detail just as it is shown for the slots in the video. You just can't switch between 24 different setups as you can with the classic Touché, and you can't do the setup in parallel as shown in the video. See here:
th-cam.com/video/dlAA3lL71SM/w-d-xo.html
@@ExpressiveE Are you still working on something? Would love to see soon...
Yeah I have one and I am struggling to setup.
. I’m a composer. I need this... if only I could find my inner geek. No it’s not there. Such a shame. This would be great.
On Windows Touché SE is a disaster, super buggy, the third time I try it in 2 years, still not working, the authorization process is awful, scanning plugin doesn't work, I don't recommend this piece of gear.
Hi Laurent,
we are very sorry to hear that you are encountering problems with Touché SE. Those problems are not known from our side.
Since there is no copy protection on our companion app Lié, authorization is as easy as entering your activation code on our website to get access to the download links.
Regarding scanning your plugins we hope that you are aware that only VST 64bit instruments plugins are supported to be hosted inside Lié. If the process seems stuck, please look out for windows popping up in the background with Alt+Tab.
In any case, for individual help, please get in touch with our technical support here: expressivee.happyfox.com/new We will happily help.
Best regards,
Chris
@@ExpressiveE Sorry as it seems to be working now, may be too much cursing from my part, it is up and running after all that time and I am very glad with it, sorry again.
@@laurentmis7859 No worries at all, we can understand these kind of frustrations.
We appreciate that you took the time to let us know here.
Don't hesitate to get in touch via the support ticket mentioned above if having any questions or running into problems in the future. :)
Goodbye! I think I'll just return this since you can't make a video to easily show me how to set it up.
Hi Michael, our apologies: you seem to have a tech issue with Touché on your PC. It should be self-explanatory to play after completing the first steps indicated in episode 8 and 9. We got back to your support ticket via mail to find out why it isn't the case.
Best wishes, Chris
Did they sort you out? I hope its just a case of you not realizing how to setup the CC's rather than it being a problematic controller. Not laying blame on anyone but I would like to know before I make the purchase.
@@olivergard572 Hi, yes, the problem has been solved. A passive USB hub had been used, which sometimes leads to an unreliable connection. In this specific case the result was that no MIDI messages were coming through to the companion app Lié.
Using a second camera for a side view is stupid and illogical. The speaker is talking to nobody except the audience. Going from first person to third person shows a lack of understanding of basic filming.
Hi Tony, thanks for your feedback. We will take it into account for future productions.
Whatever
toooooo boring tutorial...
And very expensive!