Sony 300mm f2.8 & TC v Sigma 500mm f5.6 with Jonathan
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Sony 300mm f2.8 & TC v Sigma 500mm f5.6 The ultimate shoot off we meet up with Jonathan Hodgetts at Langford Lakes . He loves his wildlife photography having just got back from a Safari in Kenya Jonathan shares his thoughts on why the Sony 300mm f2.8 beats all comers for Wildlife and bird photography especially when paired with the Sony A9III.
Watch on to see if "Camilla & I" get blown away using the cheaper lighter Sigma 500mm f5.6
00:00 Introducing Jonathan Hodgetts & Gear
02:42 Specification and the differences between the Systems
05:42 In action with the A9III & 300mm with Teleconverter
13:30 Is the Quality of the Sigma 500mm as good as the Sony Combo ?
15:00 Cheaper systems and swapping lens
20:00 Best examples here today at Langford Lakes 15 v 30 FPS
24:30 "Camilla & I" concede victory to Jonathan & placing the Sigma 500mm f5.6
29:29 Changing lens back, shame I thought we had swapped for keeps !
30:00 Exploring the A9III and Kenya Safari
34:50 Photo Mechanic Jonathan sorts his images 4000 images in less than an hour !
37:24 Summing up thanks to Jonathan
38:15 Jonathan asks why "Camilla & I"
What a cool comparison! Thanks a lot, exactly what I was looking for 🤩
Excellent glad we could be of help 👍
You have highlighted something fundamental in favour of the Sigma, its portability. That means more desire to go out and take pictures
Yes the quality is just as good, weighing 270-300 grams lighter & in a smaller package
Great comparison and video! Really enjoyed this.
Great thanks very much 🙂
Panasonic actually having the pre-capture on the s5ii(x) and the g9ii for a much cheaper body ¬
Yes I started back in Digital photography with Panasonic micro 4/3rds GH3 & GH4 . So good call a much cheaper option thanks for sharing 🙂
9:40 What a stunning photo!!!!
A great shot from Jonathan . The power of Pre capture in the A9III 👍
It's so hard to hear so many people say they got into wildlife photography during the "pandemic" which was the one thing that destroyed my wildlife photography! Still always nice to see someone join our ranks especially with such nice gear 😮
Yes. Jonathan surprised me with that one although he has been on Safaris for years. The A9 III and the 300mm f2.8 is an amazing combination 👍
@CamillaI Unless someone in my family I don't know about leaves me a huge sum of money or I win the lottery I'll never know 😂
@@CamillaI Well the reason is my main pastime previously was playing music with various ensembles - but all musical playing opportunities abruptly stopped during the pandemic, so I really got into what had previously been a secondary interest which I could still do locally.
Are you tempted by the 600 f4 Gm ? What did you take on the safari ? Would you recommend the 300gm and 600gm or the 300gm and 200-600 combo for a safari?
I believe Jonathan took the 600mm and the 300mm . I have the 600mm & the 300mm is now on order 🤔
@CamillaI thanks! How would you compare the 300gm with 2x vs the 600gm?
I took both they 600 and 300 plus 70-200 on safari and did not use teleconverter at all. Not a good idea removing lenses in the dust of the Africa bush. Back In the uk I mostly use teleconverter on the 300. Image quality wise I would rate the 300 + 2x as 90% as good as the 600 so use the 300 with and without teleconverter virtually all the time now when mobile and then the 600 when on tripod, or when need reach beyond 600 with teleconverter.
There is no perfect lens. It really depends what you want to shoot more and the condition and etc. I’ve been to safari …. If your guide is good. You can get close enough. 400mm is pretty enough for animal.. for birds then just get the longest you can afford.
You also have to consider apart from money. The 600 GM is 3kg, big and long. So how to bring it around and transport is things you have to consider too. While the new 300 with 2x tc. It’s still under 2kg and you save alot on size/weight/money etc compare to 600GM.
The 300GM is backorder almost 6 months in Asia. It explains. Because its so light/much smaller and much cheaper than the 400/600GM. As mention. With 2x the 300 GM becomes 600. With 1.4 it becomes 420. While the F stop is f4 and f5.6 by then it is slower than the bigger primes but as mention earlier. There is no perfect just compromise and what’s most important for you. Only gear that is being used is the best gear not the gear at home.
I used A7RV with my Sigma 500mm on crop mode (750mm) very happy with the result!
I was very happy with the results on the Sony A6700 crop sensor at 750 mm. 🙂
Interesting video thanks to you both . I do a lot of walking so have been using the A1 200-600 for last 3 years , the 600mm f4 is great but a PIA when you could be walking a few miles . I’d go for the 300mm f2.8 but for the things I shoot id be using the x2 TC 90% of the time . I’m still yet to be convinced with the 300 with x 2 TC tbh regards IQ especially for fast birds . Anywhere we can see some full sized images ? Not sure about the sigma 500mm f5.6 yet , if the Sony with TC is as good or better IQ and focus consistency I’d just get the Sony . Regards A9iii absolutely no interest in it , I had the A9ii before the A1 and could never lose those extra MP’s . I like shooting in crop a lot for smaller birds and crop more in post too .
I have owned both teleconverters and used them both with the a1 and 400 2.8 gm. The x2 is terrible, the af misses focus consistently and the image quality is terrible. I even bought a second x2 as I’ve seen the videos where they say the image quality is fantastic with it but no I can confirm it isn’t.m or hasn’t been for me. The 1.4 also takes a hit with af also and image quality but. It as much as the x2
They work well with the 70-200 mark 11. But thanks for sharing . I don't own the 400mm but Jonathan does 🤔
Love you Chanel!
I would love to se the 200-600mm vs the new 300mm with the 2x teleconverter as well
Thank you very much ! Noted ! 👍
I had the Sony 200-600mm 5.6-6.3 G Lens, now I have the Sigma 500mm 5.6 DG DN OS Sports Lens and I do not need to look back !
@cameraprepper7938 really! I'm worried if I get the Sigma 500mm I will continue to naturally lean towards the 200-600mm for the extra 100mm and 1.4x teleconver.
@@cameraprepper7938 One issue...with 200-600 you still get up to 30FPS ...but the sigma will limit you to 15FPS. If you own an A1 or A9MKIII it's a deal breaker
@@njrtech 🤣 I do not see it as an issue, I never go faster than 5 fps, more than enough for me ! I need MEGAPIXELS not speed.
Soo tempted by the 300mm F2.8, but the problem is that I would always use it with a T/C. This gives me hope that Sony will release a 400mm F4 at a similar weight and cost. 400mm F4 + 560mm F5.6 + 800mm F8 (through TC's) is my perfect wildlife travel kit...
Interesting position not sure anything like that in the production line but you never know ! Thanks for sharing 🤔
Then you need to wait, a 365 more days at least. There is no leaks, there is no offical rumors, and after the rumors it is still in pre-production, and pre-release, and after that you need to wait another 2-3 weeks for shipping, good luck :D
Looks like that is going to be an expensive shoot Mark. All the best Steve.
Yes Steve, the 300mm is on order. However I have been able to return the Sigma 500mm to Castle Cameras. The Sigma is very good but the 300mm wins on flexibility a 600mm f5.6 is very useful in a light package 🤔👍🙂
Yes absolutely, I've got an f mount 300mm F2.8 which I'm keeping hold of just in case I need it.
"The slightly cheaper alternative" 🤣 THAT is true, MUCH cheaper !!! I was very close to buy the Sony 300mm 2.8 GM with 1.4x and 2x tele converter, but then I say the announcement og the Sigma 500mm 5.6 DG DN OS Sports, I ordered it and I now have this excellent Lens. So I both saved weight, space and a LOT of money. What I have seen is that the Sony 300mm is very good with 1.4x and may be better than the Sigma 500mm, but the Sony with the 2x is slightly behind the Sigma 500mm. Yes it could be an advantage with the 300mm having an aperture of 2.8, BUT I have the outstanding Sony 135mm 1.8 GM which on my Sony A7RIV Cameras can be cropped so much that it can be compared to a 300mm Lens and still be very sharp ! So get a new or used Sony A7RV, a new or used Sony 135mm and the Sigma 500mm for the same price as the Sony 300mm !!! I do neither need 30 fps nor 15 fps, to me 5 fps is more than enough, I will rather have 61 megapixels ! The Sony A9III is only 25 megapixels and because it is a stacked sensor, it is not as smooth looking images as a BSI-CMOS Camera.
Exactly ! 🤔 Good call 🙂
For bird in flight, 120 fps is a over kill. Pre capture is fine for them moments that are very hard to capture. I prefer the A1 over the A9III, 30 fps is plenty, and 51mp is a must bird photography, not 24mp.
I have to agree. No way I can go back to 24mpx from having 50mpx. The A9mkiii is a Great camera but might be more useful for sports where smaller files are desired with lots of speed. Also , global shutter is great for sports where your dealing with LED lighting typical in stadius, which can lead to banding. For now, I feel A1 is still a better choice due to having a stacked sensor (already plenty fast) and double the pixels. Also , with the 300GM and 2x TC your at 600mm, but with A1 you can crop in to 900mm equivalent in APSC mode @ 21mpx. That's a. Big deal
Yes good call I am waiting for the A1 mark 2😏
wait for a1 ii.. it might just be a9iii but with 50 mp? LOL
@sgpork I think the A9III will never get more than say 33mp in the future.
@@brettharrisphotography7463 Thanks for sharing
How did John transport 20,000 grands worth of gear on an aeroplane ?
Hopefully Jonathan will reply to give you exactly how he managed it . 30 k to be precise 🙂
? Just put it in a big backpack or in cabin size luggage.. the lens hood can go into the check in cargo bag if it wont fit onto the carry on bag or stay at home. ( At least that's what I do.. if not how else?)
While 20 grand is alot money... there are plenty of people who carry more than that when taking aeroplane.. So I dont understand what's the issue/problem
Information my wallet does not want to see or hear. Great job as always!
You and me both!🙂
only 15 FPS XD Sorry I was laughing at that way too hard at that, while my camera does 7FPS in loud mode and 3 if I want silent mode.
🙂
If I were a Sony user, I would consider jumping ship to Nikon. For the money of a Sony a93, you can nearly get a Nikon Z8 with the super light 600 6.3 and you have 45 megapixel to play with. Even for jpeg only, you have pre capture with 30, 60 to 120 fps all with autofocus. That 300 f2.8 is not for birding, most of the time, it is just too short and it is bloody expensive.
I changed from Nikon to Sony . I had the D850 and the 500 pf . I agree the 300 is very expensive but it is a superb optic
A light weight 600mm with the 2 x Converter🤔f5.6
@@CamillaIYou would have saved lots of money by keeping that 500 PF and just buy a new Nikon Z8 or Nikon Z9. Sony is just not into the wildlife market. Look at their long telephoto lens lineup. They care more about vlog market than wildlife market. If i were you, I wouldn’t stay with Sony. Only upgrade is that expensive and heavy 600 f4 and that’s it. For Nikon, you have the 800 6.3, 600 6.3, 400 4.5, and you have this expensive ones too. So many options.
IMHO the Nikon lenses you mentioned are softer than the Sony 300 GM with the TCs. With the TCs it is absolutely killer for bird photography. As far as Sony not being in the wildlife market what a ridiculous statement. 😂 So many have switched from Nikon to Sony for the superior AF, color science and optics. IMO it’s individual preference. The Z8 is a good camera but the A9 III is a game changer.
@@greatwood90 Interesting thanks for sharing 🤔
@@greatwood90Sony has the best lens and that’s it. Where are those 500 5.6 600 6.3 400 4.5 800 6.3 Sony has none of those options. As far as I can see, that 300 f2.8 is for sports. It is not a wildlife lens. I wonder who is more committed to wildlife photography. Sony is chasing the vlogging market. Just look at the cameras they come out this couple of years.
I thought that water birds were photographed from the water level, but I see that now it is done from the house through the window. It's a waste of time and equipment.
When you have 40 mile an hour gusts outside and are trying to make a video you can listen to, a hide helps 🤔
@@CamillaI It looks like you chose the wrong day to record footage and take good photos.
@@user-to3cr4er7w That's wildlife and did you see the sequence of Canada Goose shots with the A1 and the 420mm combo. Amazing photos of pin sharp action
@@user-to3cr4er7wyour being very critical of someone while not being present . You don't know what else they were up against, weather..angles of view, distance etc. Also , maybe they're just enjoying themselves, and not worried about that perfect shot? You need to lighten up!!
This is very much a lens comparison, with venue chosen to discuss out of the wind. We will not out that day trying to get that master shot.