Sony 300mm f2.8 & TC v Sigma 500mm f5.6 with Jonathan

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  • @holgerkrieg3587
    @holgerkrieg3587 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What a cool comparison! Thanks a lot, exactly what I was looking for 🤩

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Excellent glad we could be of help 👍

  • @PetOnYoutube
    @PetOnYoutube วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    love what you guys doing in wildlifephotography. and like the comparison

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks very much👍

  • @prjct72
    @prjct72 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    You have highlighted something fundamental in favour of the Sigma, its portability. That means more desire to go out and take pictures

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes the quality is just as good, weighing 270-300 grams lighter & in a smaller package

    • @GV2755
      @GV2755 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Really, it’s 500g difference because the Sony needs a 200g/43mm teleconverter to match up with the Sigma.

  • @ste286ste
    @ste286ste หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This has the vibes of the 'lets off road' and the rock climbing characters from the Fast show, if you remember that far back. This is not a mean reference, it is a kind comparison of the amatuer enthusiasm depicted so endearingly. My 10 year old D4, when exposed well is very useable at 25,600 iso with DXO, but not much beyond that, that's the joy of low light levels in local non-league football night games. In pretty much every other way the 9 mk 3 slays the older tech D4 and you get what you pay for these days. Thanks for showing this session of photography and chat.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂

  • @Zhorellski
    @Zhorellski 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I used A7RV with my Sigma 500mm on crop mode (750mm) very happy with the result!

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was very happy with the results on the Sony A6700 crop sensor at 750 mm. 🙂

  • @Brunton_Media
    @Brunton_Media 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lovely work and hearing your thoughts on the lens. maybe see you around the lakes sometime!

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds good, see you soon 👍

  • @GV2755
    @GV2755 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Enjoyed the comparison. I own the 300/2.8 and love it, and I have rented the Sigma. I think the size and weight difference is understated here because you need a teleconverter on the 300 at 1.5” and .5 pounds to approximate the reach of the Sigma. I’ve packed each of them for air travel, and the Sigma has a definite advantage there at 500g less weight, 75mm sorter and 16mm narrower. If you aren’t carrying them on a plane, then the Sony wins, no contest.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for sharing certainly a smaller package win for the Sigma 👍

  • @Jawad.1
    @Jawad.1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    9:40 What a stunning photo!!!!

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A great shot from Jonathan . The power of Pre capture in the A9III 👍

  • @JoeMaranophotography
    @JoeMaranophotography 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's so hard to hear so many people say they got into wildlife photography during the "pandemic" which was the one thing that destroyed my wildlife photography! Still always nice to see someone join our ranks especially with such nice gear 😮

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. Jonathan surprised me with that one although he has been on Safaris for years. The A9 III and the 300mm f2.8 is an amazing combination 👍

    • @JoeMaranophotography
      @JoeMaranophotography 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @CamillaI Unless someone in my family I don't know about leaves me a huge sum of money or I win the lottery I'll never know 😂

    • @Jonathantuba
      @Jonathantuba 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@CamillaI Well the reason is my main pastime previously was playing music with various ensembles - but all musical playing opportunities abruptly stopped during the pandemic, so I really got into what had previously been a secondary interest which I could still do locally.

  • @alexands1
    @alexands1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are you tempted by the 600 f4 Gm ? What did you take on the safari ? Would you recommend the 300gm and 600gm or the 300gm and 200-600 combo for a safari?

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I believe Jonathan took the 600mm and the 300mm . I have the 600mm & the 300mm is now on order 🤔

    • @alexands1
      @alexands1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@CamillaI thanks! How would you compare the 300gm with 2x vs the 600gm?

    • @Jonathantuba
      @Jonathantuba 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I took both they 600 and 300 plus 70-200 on safari and did not use teleconverter at all. Not a good idea removing lenses in the dust of the Africa bush. Back In the uk I mostly use teleconverter on the 300. Image quality wise I would rate the 300 + 2x as 90% as good as the 600 so use the 300 with and without teleconverter virtually all the time now when mobile and then the 600 when on tripod, or when need reach beyond 600 with teleconverter.

    • @sgpork
      @sgpork 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is no perfect lens. It really depends what you want to shoot more and the condition and etc. I’ve been to safari …. If your guide is good. You can get close enough. 400mm is pretty enough for animal.. for birds then just get the longest you can afford.
      You also have to consider apart from money. The 600 GM is 3kg, big and long. So how to bring it around and transport is things you have to consider too. While the new 300 with 2x tc. It’s still under 2kg and you save alot on size/weight/money etc compare to 600GM.
      The 300GM is backorder almost 6 months in Asia. It explains. Because its so light/much smaller and much cheaper than the 400/600GM. As mention. With 2x the 300 GM becomes 600. With 1.4 it becomes 420. While the F stop is f4 and f5.6 by then it is slower than the bigger primes but as mention earlier. There is no perfect just compromise and what’s most important for you. Only gear that is being used is the best gear not the gear at home.

  • @Ryanswildlifephotography
    @Ryanswildlifephotography 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great comparison and video! Really enjoyed this.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great thanks very much 🙂

  • @leonkirkbride6559
    @leonkirkbride6559 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Interesting video thanks to you both . I do a lot of walking so have been using the A1 200-600 for last 3 years , the 600mm f4 is great but a PIA when you could be walking a few miles . I’d go for the 300mm f2.8 but for the things I shoot id be using the x2 TC 90% of the time . I’m still yet to be convinced with the 300 with x 2 TC tbh regards IQ especially for fast birds . Anywhere we can see some full sized images ? Not sure about the sigma 500mm f5.6 yet , if the Sony with TC is as good or better IQ and focus consistency I’d just get the Sony . Regards A9iii absolutely no interest in it , I had the A9ii before the A1 and could never lose those extra MP’s . I like shooting in crop a lot for smaller birds and crop more in post too .

    • @Noparticularcontext
      @Noparticularcontext 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have owned both teleconverters and used them both with the a1 and 400 2.8 gm. The x2 is terrible, the af misses focus consistently and the image quality is terrible. I even bought a second x2 as I’ve seen the videos where they say the image quality is fantastic with it but no I can confirm it isn’t.m or hasn’t been for me. The 1.4 also takes a hit with af also and image quality but. It as much as the x2

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They work well with the 70-200 mark 11. But thanks for sharing . I don't own the 400mm but Jonathan does 🤔

    • @KungPowEnterFist
      @KungPowEnterFist 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Noparticularcontext It's very rare to hear an honest comment about Sony's TC, so kudo's on that. The E 2x TC is quite bad. It is really not an option. The E 1.4x TC is just ok. Its about equal to the Nikon F 1.4x TC II from 23 years ago, which is to say its perfectly fine on the very sharpest, fastest lenses. If I am not mistaken, the Sigma only works with their brand TC's which are even worse than Sony TC's. In any case, a 300 f2.8 with a 2x TC completely defeats the purpose of that lens. While it is technically an option, no one should ever look to actually use it with a 2x TC in any scenario. You should also not plan to use it with the 1.4x TC. The only reason you might have to use a 300 f2.8 with a 1.4x TC is for macro, but the E 300 f2.8 GM has a poor MFD/reproduction ratio and has significant focus breathing which will wreck your macro stacks.

    • @frostybe3r
      @frostybe3r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@NoparticularcontextSilly comments like this is what makes people not buy better gear, the 300 2.8 + 2X is better than the 400 + 1.4X, focusing is faster, more accurate and significantly lighter.
      Perhaps use the gear before telling someone it wont work, theres lots of better photographers than you who have already used the 300 + 2X.

    • @Noparticularcontext
      @Noparticularcontext 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@frostybe3r at no point did I make reference to the 300mm 2.8, I did make reference to the 400 and teleconverters which I have owned and used extensively and that is my opinion. The reality is the x2 is awful and the 1.4 is useable! If you don’t like that opinion that’s fine but I’m entitled to share it.

  • @franklittmann7961
    @franklittmann7961 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how was the sharpness on these lenses in comparison with your A1? Does the Sony lens with the 2x TC can hold up sharpness wise or is it even better than the Sigma?

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think it is better than the 500mm Sigma. 100mm more reach as well but the Sigma is very good 👌

    • @franklittmann7961
      @franklittmann7961 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CamillaI thank you very much for your feedback. I really did not expect this. The sony 2x teleconverter always disappointed me in my tests, esp. in backlit scenarios.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@franklittmann7961 Jonathan did a Toy Owl sharpness test and it compared very favourably at 600mm with the 600mm f4 . The only time the 600 proved slightly better was at a greater distance form the subject as you would expect. To be fair I haven't done much Backlit photography but then I would probably be using the 300 without TC

  • @J-Young_photography
    @J-Young_photography 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    get the Lumix S5II + sigma 500mmL + TC1411, you can get the pre-capture mode too. It is one of the cheapest birding gear. Sigma should come out with a 400mm f4 with 1.4X will be great

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @MeAMuse
    @MeAMuse 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Soo tempted by the 300mm F2.8, but the problem is that I would always use it with a T/C. This gives me hope that Sony will release a 400mm F4 at a similar weight and cost. 400mm F4 + 560mm F5.6 + 800mm F8 (through TC's) is my perfect wildlife travel kit...

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting position not sure anything like that in the production line but you never know ! Thanks for sharing 🤔

    • @pentagramyt417
      @pentagramyt417 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then you need to wait, a 365 more days at least. There is no leaks, there is no offical rumors, and after the rumors it is still in pre-production, and pre-release, and after that you need to wait another 2-3 weeks for shipping, good luck :D

  • @runeskaar8509
    @runeskaar8509 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love you Chanel!
    I would love to se the 200-600mm vs the new 300mm with the 2x teleconverter as well

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much ! Noted ! 👍

    • @cameraprepper7938
      @cameraprepper7938 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I had the Sony 200-600mm 5.6-6.3 G Lens, now I have the Sigma 500mm 5.6 DG DN OS Sports Lens and I do not need to look back !

    • @KurtisPape
      @KurtisPape 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@cameraprepper7938 really! I'm worried if I get the Sigma 500mm I will continue to naturally lean towards the 200-600mm for the extra 100mm and 1.4x teleconver.

    • @njrtech
      @njrtech 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@cameraprepper7938 One issue...with 200-600 you still get up to 30FPS ...but the sigma will limit you to 15FPS. If you own an A1 or A9MKIII it's a deal breaker

    • @cameraprepper7938
      @cameraprepper7938 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@njrtech 🤣 I do not see it as an issue, I never go faster than 5 fps, more than enough for me ! I need MEGAPIXELS not speed.

  • @SteveHedgesPhotography
    @SteveHedgesPhotography 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks like that is going to be an expensive shoot Mark. All the best Steve.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes Steve, the 300mm is on order. However I have been able to return the Sigma 500mm to Castle Cameras. The Sigma is very good but the 300mm wins on flexibility a 600mm f5.6 is very useful in a light package 🤔👍🙂

    • @SteveHedgesPhotography
      @SteveHedgesPhotography 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes absolutely, I've got an f mount 300mm F2.8 which I'm keeping hold of just in case I need it.

  • @cameraprepper7938
    @cameraprepper7938 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "The slightly cheaper alternative" 🤣 THAT is true, MUCH cheaper !!! I was very close to buy the Sony 300mm 2.8 GM with 1.4x and 2x tele converter, but then I say the announcement og the Sigma 500mm 5.6 DG DN OS Sports, I ordered it and I now have this excellent Lens. So I both saved weight, space and a LOT of money. What I have seen is that the Sony 300mm is very good with 1.4x and may be better than the Sigma 500mm, but the Sony with the 2x is slightly behind the Sigma 500mm. Yes it could be an advantage with the 300mm having an aperture of 2.8, BUT I have the outstanding Sony 135mm 1.8 GM which on my Sony A7RIV Cameras can be cropped so much that it can be compared to a 300mm Lens and still be very sharp ! So get a new or used Sony A7RV, a new or used Sony 135mm and the Sigma 500mm for the same price as the Sony 300mm !!! I do neither need 30 fps nor 15 fps, to me 5 fps is more than enough, I will rather have 61 megapixels ! The Sony A9III is only 25 megapixels and because it is a stacked sensor, it is not as smooth looking images as a BSI-CMOS Camera.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly ! 🤔 Good call 🙂

  • @huasheng9695
    @huasheng9695 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Panasonic actually having the pre-capture on the s5ii(x) and the g9ii for a much cheaper body ¬

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes I started back in Digital photography with Panasonic micro 4/3rds GH3 & GH4 . So good call a much cheaper option thanks for sharing 🙂

    • @allonwne
      @allonwne 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The G9 mk1 also has it..

  • @budzolaguer
    @budzolaguer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does sigma 500mm maximize 30fps on lumix s5iix or other feature of s5iix

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe it is only Sony top end cameras that restricts the frame rate 👌

  • @iankeel7914
    @iankeel7914 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pity Castle cameras, don't have the a9 iii for sale.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's not on their website and never has been, but they definitely supplied mine. If the A1 2 comes out before Christmas to the specification rumoured mine will be available secondhand if they haven't any in stock. Give then a ring but I would tend to suggest wait for the A1 mark 2 . But the A9III will still be the one with Global shutter and better ergonomic body 🤔

  • @allenfutrelle9090
    @allenfutrelle9090 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Information my wallet does not want to see or hear. Great job as always!

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You and me both!🙂

  • @brettharrisphotography7463
    @brettharrisphotography7463 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For bird in flight, 120 fps is a over kill. Pre capture is fine for them moments that are very hard to capture. I prefer the A1 over the A9III, 30 fps is plenty, and 51mp is a must bird photography, not 24mp.

    • @njrtech
      @njrtech 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I have to agree. No way I can go back to 24mpx from having 50mpx. The A9mkiii is a Great camera but might be more useful for sports where smaller files are desired with lots of speed. Also , global shutter is great for sports where your dealing with LED lighting typical in stadius, which can lead to banding. For now, I feel A1 is still a better choice due to having a stacked sensor (already plenty fast) and double the pixels. Also , with the 300GM and 2x TC your at 600mm, but with A1 you can crop in to 900mm equivalent in APSC mode @ 21mpx. That's a. Big deal

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes good call I am waiting for the A1 mark 2😏

    • @sgpork
      @sgpork 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      wait for a1 ii.. it might just be a9iii but with 50 mp? LOL

    • @brettharrisphotography7463
      @brettharrisphotography7463 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @sgpork I think the A9III will never get more than say 33mp in the future.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@brettharrisphotography7463 Thanks for sharing

  • @SirTubeALotMore
    @SirTubeALotMore 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sigma must have had a lot of faith in their lens even with these fundamental limitations.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes that is a good point 👍

  • @longfas2007
    @longfas2007 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Sigma's 500 5.6 isn't perfect in my opinion, it doesn't work with a range extender and is only 15FPS on the Sony body.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No its not perfect, that's why I went for Jonathans option the 300mm plus TC , but it is half the price very sharp and quick to focus 😉

  • @ryantang8146
    @ryantang8146 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If I were a Sony user, I would consider jumping ship to Nikon. For the money of a Sony a93, you can nearly get a Nikon Z8 with the super light 600 6.3 and you have 45 megapixel to play with. Even for jpeg only, you have pre capture with 30, 60 to 120 fps all with autofocus. That 300 f2.8 is not for birding, most of the time, it is just too short and it is bloody expensive.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I changed from Nikon to Sony . I had the D850 and the 500 pf . I agree the 300 is very expensive but it is a superb optic
      A light weight 600mm with the 2 x Converter🤔f5.6

    • @ryantang8146
      @ryantang8146 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@CamillaIYou would have saved lots of money by keeping that 500 PF and just buy a new Nikon Z8 or Nikon Z9. Sony is just not into the wildlife market. Look at their long telephoto lens lineup. They care more about vlog market than wildlife market. If i were you, I wouldn’t stay with Sony. Only upgrade is that expensive and heavy 600 f4 and that’s it. For Nikon, you have the 800 6.3, 600 6.3, 400 4.5, and you have this expensive ones too. So many options.

    • @greatwood90
      @greatwood90 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      IMHO the Nikon lenses you mentioned are softer than the Sony 300 GM with the TCs. With the TCs it is absolutely killer for bird photography. As far as Sony not being in the wildlife market what a ridiculous statement. 😂 So many have switched from Nikon to Sony for the superior AF, color science and optics. IMO it’s individual preference. The Z8 is a good camera but the A9 III is a game changer.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@greatwood90 Interesting thanks for sharing 🤔

    • @ryantang8146
      @ryantang8146 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@greatwood90Sony has the best lens and that’s it. Where are those 500 5.6 600 6.3 400 4.5 800 6.3 Sony has none of those options. As far as I can see, that 300 f2.8 is for sports. It is not a wildlife lens. I wonder who is more committed to wildlife photography. Sony is chasing the vlogging market. Just look at the cameras they come out this couple of years.

  • @David_Quinn_Photography
    @David_Quinn_Photography 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    only 15 FPS XD Sorry I was laughing at that way too hard at that, while my camera does 7FPS in loud mode and 3 if I want silent mode.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🙂

  • @derekclark7545
    @derekclark7545 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How did John transport 20,000 grands worth of gear on an aeroplane ?

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hopefully Jonathan will reply to give you exactly how he managed it . 30 k to be precise 🙂

    • @sgpork
      @sgpork 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ? Just put it in a big backpack or in cabin size luggage.. the lens hood can go into the check in cargo bag if it wont fit onto the carry on bag or stay at home. ( At least that's what I do.. if not how else?)
      While 20 grand is alot money... there are plenty of people who carry more than that when taking aeroplane.. So I dont understand what's the issue/problem

    • @GV2755
      @GV2755 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I just did it with the 300/2.8 plus converters in a Think Tank carry-on. Of course there were other bodies and lenses. You watch it like a hawk, pardon the pun.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GV2755 Nice

  • @TomStrong-w1y
    @TomStrong-w1y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I thought that water birds were photographed from the water level, but I see that now it is done from the house through the window. It's a waste of time and equipment.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      When you have 40 mile an hour gusts outside and are trying to make a video you can listen to, a hide helps 🤔

    • @TomStrong-w1y
      @TomStrong-w1y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CamillaI It looks like you chose the wrong day to record footage and take good photos.

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TomStrong-w1y That's wildlife and did you see the sequence of Canada Goose shots with the A1 and the 420mm combo. Amazing photos of pin sharp action

    • @njrtech
      @njrtech 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@TomStrong-w1yyour being very critical of someone while not being present . You don't know what else they were up against, weather..angles of view, distance etc. Also , maybe they're just enjoying themselves, and not worried about that perfect shot? You need to lighten up!!

    • @Jonathantuba
      @Jonathantuba 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is very much a lens comparison, with venue chosen to discuss out of the wind. We will not out that day trying to get that master shot.

  • @ropu9140
    @ropu9140 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kicheche camps are beautiful, but $2500+ per person, per night 🤕

    • @CamillaI
      @CamillaI  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You see this is why I mostly do local accessible wildlife photography on "Camilla & I" 👌