I've been a free-trader since 1996, your Inquisition does not scare me. I come from the Before Time When there were only 1000 Marines per chapter. The the Warhammer and Warhammer 40K universe have been building on themselves and each other for so long did it would take a lifetime of nerd fueled experience and study in order to know enough of it to be entirely accurate. It is a shame that the company itself has taken such a Ferengi driven motivation, the depth of story would make for fantastic future endeavors as long as you can afford to mortgage your house to get the new line of miniatures.
@@kevinkorenke3569 Ummm, I hate to tell you this, but GW makes the Ferengi look charitable. We knew this all the way back when they turned White Dwarf from a good all-round games-rag into what amounted to a periodical GW catalog extension. Thankfully it took FASA a while longer to fall to the seduction of the GW-esque Dark Side
@@StyxRiverGynoid I don't mind potentially paying a higher price for a BattleTech Miniatures, I don't need 50 of them to make a decent-sized army. The rulebooks for BattleTech don't go through a series of arbitrary rule changes based on a marketing schedule either.
A quick lore correction: Terminator suits aren't quite irreplaceable, just horribly expensive. The materials used to create them are so rare and the techniques to create the suit so time-consuming that it can take decades to produce them. Whenever a chapter is created, efforts will be made to issue out at least some suits, and replacement parts. However, only the oldest, wealthiest, and most respected chapters will have enough to outfit their entire veteran company (100 marines).
@@davidthomas2870 those are even worse, because the extra-special Grey Knights have to have extra-special techniques used to create, sanctify, and fortify their suits. This includes sacrificing pious souls/individuals to create the suits. Because of course you have to, why the fuck not, it's 40k!
@@astronomybrainiac so even more prohibitively costly. Tbh tho you do need a reserve of guys who can banish demon primarchs when they pop up because the alternative is the imperium just looses.
However, the oldest terminators are the most powerful, and those cannot be reproduced because they’re composed of DAOT era tech that the imperium has forgotten. Later ones are less powerful (but still fuck off powerful) and can be replaced as you said.
Someone once asked me to explain Space Hulks and I said this: A Space Hulk is multiple ships stuck in a dimension of cosmic horror and squished together like leftover bits of coloured playdough until it's the size of a respectable planetoid. All the different systems are somehow still working or sometimes demonically possessed so that every corridor has a different center of gravity, or is alive, or is trying to graphically sodomize you and potentially with the undead betentacled corpses of the former crew. The different FTL systems that got those ships into the horror dimension in the first place are also still working, so the Hulk will be periodically temporarily spat out into the real world, though in a variety of times and places, because that horror dimension doesn't subscribe to Space-Time or even Physics. These little real-world vacations are actually opportunities for predatory alien races to infest the Hulk, such as Tyranids or Orks. Or to spread any such existing infestations to nearby unsuspecting star systems and planets. Why would anyone ever want to board a Space Hulk? All those ships are from different races and time periods, and so could potentially contain ancient technology worth literal planets in value, alien artifacts worth fortunes to the right buyer, or relics of incredible religious or historical cultural sentiment to your faction. It's just a matter of finding your way in and out alive, uninfected, uncorrupted and unlikely to be betrayed by your party, before the Hulk disappears into that other dimension again, and you have no idea when it will do that.
An asteroid will propably just scratch the hull, and sending that much reactors and ammo into a star may backfire spectacularly. Stars can be destroyed by massive fleets just shooting at it long enough in warhammer. Just blast it to bits.
40K always messes with my perspective. A couple of squads of space marines in Terminator armour would rip through any modern day army without much of an issue, but when you put them in universe, they're just slightly crunchy squishies with a mortality rate that makes mainlining arsenic seem safe.
@@SacredCowShipyards Yeah, you really do not want to live in the 40k universe. Food for most Imperial citizens is basically Soylent Green and there is a good chance you will be lobotomised and turned into a tool of some kind. If you're really, truly unlucky you might end up with the Dark Eldar!
@@mainepants Or your colony was built on a Tomb World, or a Warp Storm shows up or, well, there's no wonder humie life has such low value in that 'verse.
@@SacredCowShipyards 40K is more like Here be dragons... and here be the things that eat dragons... and Here be the things that eat the things that eat dragons!
It was reactor maintenance, not mining. It is a very good hazardous environment suit, so people /have/ used it for everything, but it was /designed/ for reactor maintenance.
Should be made clear The armor plating and HUD in them are not from the original design It's not just a mining suit, or a reactor maintenance suit It is a repurposed mining/maintenance suit with upgraded tech and a shit ton of metal bolted onto it!
Much of the imperium's technology is based on dark of age technology civilian grade tech, lasguns and terminator armor being the most famous examples of this. They just upgrade it and repurpose it for war, multiple versions of lasguns exist in a attempt to improve it but some were faulty (firing the gun a few times irradiates the wielder to death for example), others not fit for mass production but are superior master craft weapons.
So then explain why gravitation happens in a body of water then where everything is Floating at zero water displacement but that still happens then. Collecting together some I can see but all of it? It's kind of the king of weird.
@@warsprite1888 Surface tension mostly; it's called the Cheerios Effect. Floating objects tend to create depressions or hills in the water's surface, which can attract or repel other floating objects. Which is also why it happens only at the surface, and there aren't large lumps of trash floating around above the sea floor.
@@NixodCreations Yeah, I can see that and it even makes sense but it is still creepy as f*** when you see all the jelly fish in the ocean do it, all floating on the top of the water, dead so I can only picture what going into what of these hulks would be like with the added benefit of "weird gravity" being under the "environmental conditions" category as well. It's no wonder they only send terminators (and Ciaphas Cain apparently) into space hulks because nothing else would survive it.
@@warsprite1888 Please fell free to review your high school classes on both "states of matter" and "gravity" and respond with a clearly stated, reasonably well thought out follow-up question. I do not necessarily exist to provide you with your educational requirements, and I am definitely not here to do research on your behalf.
The imperium will exterminatus planets they consider "lost" not just heretical planets. Things like planets where the population have become hopelessly infiltrated and infected by genestealers for example. The reason they explore the hulks isn't just for individual trinkets, there the chance of recovering STC templates which allows the construction of devices they no longer understand using an STC constructor (which they also don't understand, but know how to use). Basically it's a blueprint for a device that you input into a "make anything" automated factory. Recovering an STC template is huge, I mean HUGE huge as it allows the imperium to replace machines lost to attrition or even make new previously lost machines. They might also recover an actual STC constructor, these things were sent out with colony ships and would make everything the colonists needed to settle a new planet so finding one inside a hulk is a real if remote possibility.
Fun fact a pair of gaurdsmen scouts once managed to recover an STC for a combat knife that was sharper, lighter and tougher they were both apointed planetery govenours when they handed it over.
@@jan-pieter5576 and space marines still use that knife design to this day as their last ditch weapon. Even the primaris ones, just scaled up. Probably the single most produced weapon in the imperium bar maybe lasguns
Let’s be honest if stcs did exist thed have found a complete one by now if pre dark age people where anything like us a toaster would know the blueprints of said toaster. Stcs would be on every ship just because people are lazy and don’t want to wait to get to a port for a ship part.
The 40K universe is one vast horror story, cosmic, body and every other kind of horror.. Life in the underhive, the horrors of the chaos gods, the awful totalitarian theocracy that is the Empire Of Man. It is grotesque and terrifying. Whenever anyone asks "If you could live in any fantasy world..." Nobody ever answers "Oh, the 40K universe!" To do so would immediately rend the respondee into a straight jacket and padded cell.
That’s the thing that sets 40K fans apart from other fandoms. Star Trek fans would love to live in that universe. The same could generally be said about the Star Wars universe, but for fans of the grim darkness of the forty-second millennium, we know to stay far far away from such thoughts. Unless you are guaranteed to become an Inquisitor or an Ork or something.
@@kerbe3 being reborn a ork would be the only way I would want to live in the 40k universe. I would be a member of the only race that's having a good time.
@@nathanjora7627 Commissar Cain: (In a Melodramatic voice suitable for amphitheaters) "Alas poor Yorick! For I knew him well!" (Bell Rings) Oh look it's the dinner bell, come along now Guardsman!
@UCobvSkUIec7sRLSSCCVz5rg Yarick you say? Even space marines don’t fuck with him. The one man who can look a commissar in the eye, tell him to F off, and not get shot.
Just to be that guy, every atom has its own gravitational field. You do not need a planet-size object to have gravity. But the bigger the object the more gravity the object has.
My personal favorite is when the Greenskins capture one and attach big f***ing engines to them, wire all of the big f***ing engines up to a big red button that they then throw snotlings at to make the whole thing go zoom! If you can't tell what passes for Greenskin engineering often makes me dissolve into fits of uncontrollable laughter.
@@nicholaswalsh4462 That's the thing, it shouldn't work, remember the story of the Leeman Russ tank that the greenskins took? Guard abandoned it after the engine was knocked out the next day the greenskins have it back up an running until the guard knocks it out again. keeps going on for several months before the guard finally reclaim the tank and while the techpriests go about purifying and repairing it they find that the engine was completely removed and replaced with a drawing of the engine taped to the side of the compartment with the word VROOOOOM!!!! written just below it. The fact that a greenskin believes it will work and therefore it does work is the bit that makes me laugh.
That they don't just blast apart the Space Hulk is a testament to just how desperate they are for the technology a lost space hulk represents, since they likely have all manner of high technology on it. The question isn't if they'll find it - most of these ships are more advanced than the current Imperial Navy, save some really old ones - but rather if it's in a salvageable state. But faced against a variety of alien threats that have more advanced technology than their own, its kind of considered a matter of survival as a species at this point to reclaim their lost advantage. The Imperium in the time the Emperor was alive was basically supposed to be a technological match, if not superior to, most of the threats they currently face. A single STC (the blueprints put into a WH40k 3D printer, basically) of the right weapon would literally be a turning point in the war worth the expendiature of resources and manpower.
Their snipers essentially spend all their free time hanging around this side dimensional junkyard. really adds more flavour to them not being really liked by most other necron forces.
A point to consider regarding exterminatus. Two actually. First point, the imperium has a **lot** of worlds under its control. Destroying one to keep it out of the hands of chaos is not only economical, but also ethical. Because a world that becomes a daemon world is.... Imagine having a toe go necrotic, and and instead of getting rid of it, you let it spawn a blood infection. You lose the toe either way, but now you put more at risk. As for using cyclonic torpedoes on Space hulks, they sometimes do if the risk is too great.
Goes into space hulk* Guys, it’s terminator Bob! He survived the warp for the last hundred years. Hows it going Bob haven’t seen you in forever? Meh, demons took my penis. Well we recovered a terminator so we can leave now… oh it just went back in the warp didn’t it. So what do you do for fun around here Bob? Bob what are you doing with those space scissors?
To be fair, destroying a space hulk is damn near impossible. The amount of punishment these things can take is ludicrous. And even if you succeed in blowing it apart, well now you have about half a dozen space hulks floating around.
It's a literal pile of armor fuzed together with more armor intermixed with heresy, they're best left well enough alone as there's not much you can do about them considering how stretched out the imperium's navy is
@@andrewgreeb916 Unfortunately, leaving it alone isn't really an option. Sooner or later it's going to drift near a planet and disgorge its horrors onto said planet. This is why it's best to clear them out. Better to deal with the creepy crawlies while they're still in deep space and not rampaging through your cities.
It’s like that old joke about the unarmed soldier fighting a stick. Sure the soldier can break the stick in half. But now he just has two small sticks to deal with.
Since these things don't have any propulsion (apart from warp drives) that could reliably stabilize it, then it should be relatively easy to just push them into nearest star and hope that it'll get there before it jumps back into the warp.
@@fanta4897 pushing sometimes hundreds Reactors of unknown age and power, munitions And warp drives into a star is not the best, especially if there is a colonized planet or just something valueable in the entire system. even more when you consider they might contain ancient relics worth more than a entire space marine legion.
Some points, Space Hulks aren't exclusively explored by Terminators or even by Space Marines, but when Space Marines do explore Space Hulks sending Terminators is a good way to reduce casualties. The Imperium (technically the Mechanicum) CAN make more Terminator armor, but only a few planets in the galaxy have the facilities and the Imperium doesn't know how to make more production lines for it.
A little bit od info: The Imperium in current lore is a bit better with technology. But terminator suits still need a century or two to make and are rare. And yes, sending them into hulks is bonkers if you expect tyranids, where a more mobile nornal marine may fare better. Also, a missed weird thing is how powerful this hulks are. Made of half functioning wrecks, you would imagine them to be weaker than a fleet of properly maintained and operated ships.
Also, the 'Time Capsule'-thing is an extremly correct observation! Time travel in the Warp is not even possible, but a normality! You can spend thounsands of Years in there with it feeling like 20 :P
The reasoning behind using terminators in space hulks is that the hulk is filled with narrow corridors which are ideally suited for terminators who can simply plonk down and lay down a torrent of storm bolter fire at anything that comes at them.
I think the big difference there is scale and redundancy. A dozen ships all smashed together, that's a dozen power plants, a dozen bridges, a dozen sets of weapons, etc, etc; also these things are huge
The problem with space hulks is that those ships are not just crashed and stuck into one another. the warp FUSES them together. Steel with rock, wraithbone, hell even tyranid biomass. It´s all fused permamently together sometimes into one big unholy mass of nightmares. which can end up with over a hundred of meters of plaststeel armor and rock between the gun firing and the reactor it´s aiming to blow up. add the fact that space hulks are on average multiple kilometers in size and made out of a couple dozen ships and asteroids. Those things are as well protected as a damn space fortress.
Terminator armor is technically reproducible. It's just exorbitantly expensive. But if you brought home an stc the mechanicus wanted they would happily provide you with multiple suits.
From what I understand an STC that build slightly sharper knives was paid for in planets to the one's who found it. A full and complete STC of a Terminator armor? You'll be owning more than one solar system.
@@Sturmischer Na chief, Neanderthals and suchlike are considered a big enough change to warrant their own names. Much like AK47 was replaced with AK74 and not AK47b***
Junk accumulates in eddies in the water, or, I guess, the warp. --- 'I have detected disturbances in the wash.' 'The wash?' 'The space-time wash.' 'Are we talking about some sort of Vogon laundromat, or what are we talking about?' 'Eddies in the space-time continuum.' 'Ah...is he. Is he.' 'What?' 'Er, who is Eddy, then, exactly?' ― Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe and Everything
Some perspective on the Guardsman's lasgun: the lasgun is a pulse laser that converts the surface of what it hits into plasma by dumping enormous amounts of energy into it, with equivalent force to modern hand grenade. It can blow off limbs, rip a man in half and even kill most things in 40k if it hits something important. The issue is that everything in 40k is absurdly tough so a weapon that does surface damage has to keep hammering the target till you bore through or crack that armor or apply so much heat that you cook those behind the armor alive. Given enough time and lasguns, you can kill literally anything. Just not fast enough much of the time
Fun fact, if I'm not mistaken the joke about nuclear reactors with the terminator armor actually isn't too far off from their ancient original purpose. I vaguely recall reading that back in humanitys golden age before everything went to shit in 40k, the equivalent of teminator suits were basically regular-ass civilian protective suits, worn for heavy duty hazardous stuff such as performing repairs/maintenance on a plasma reactor *while it was still active*
@@SacredCowShipyards wait until you get into how the sisters of battle use actual Faith to create psychic abilities instead of drawing from the warp it's just as confusing and not just for us it also confuses the sisters themselves they're not too sure themselves whether or not this is them accidentally being psychic or actual face value genuine faith in the emperor. Because they absolutely hate psykers. Also apparently the Celestine is now a genuine holy loyalist demon of the warp that's fuelled by the emperor's power, it's so confusing. By comparison the space Orks are honestly a lot easier to understand, it's just simple Mind Over Matter the ork dont mind because to them nothing else matters.
@@lornbaker1083 the sisters are also fairly simple: they are themselves warped in such a way as to be Psychically True to both the Emperor-Being of Man and their own Psychic-root (Cthulhu), in so warping, they create a resonance with the in-Universe ebb-and-tide of sacredness, thereby drawing energy from the string of connection to the warp... the question is, doing so, do they make the warp more or less warped?
Exactly that's how confusing it is even the sisters don't understand themselves if they're actually doing something that accomplishes anything at all. Cause I got no freaking clue
Fun fact: Terminator Armor is derived from a mining suit used in the dark age of technology, when tech was so advanced that humans didn’t even need to fight in wars.
actually the huge titans do re-cycle the used shells back to the ammo storage exactly because otherwise they'd tip over due to a shifting center of gravity. Edit: I meant shell casings.
One commendable aspect of WH40k is that the answer to the problem of FTL violating causality is to go ahead and violate causality anyway and then act all surprised when causality violates everyone back.
The imperium can still make terminator armor, just not very quickly. I always wonder why the imperium does not send in mining teams to strip mine the surface of the space hulks alongside salvage crews to extract whole ships from its surface and have space marines clear those surface sections prior to extraction and all the salvage, mining and military personnel strip those hulks down from the outside in to the core in a systematic process. Thereby placing the minimum amount of risk on its personal and maximizing its recovery of rare and valuable materials. Both raw manufacturing materials and lost or alien tech. This method would eliminate the tieinids ability to swarm personnel from every angle, allow capital class weapons to be brought to bear on demons, tirinids, orks and chaos marines that try to attack them on the hulks surface. Leaving virtually no room for the threats aboard the hulk to harm the recovery personnel.
Fun fact about space hulks. Sometimes if the Marines successfully shut down whatever malfunctioning warp thingamajig that jumps the cluster of shit back into the warp,the Imperium starts salvaging the hulk. And then instead of melting down the hulls and making razor blades out of them,they rebuild them into their original configuration and send them back to war.
First time I heard about Space Marines fighting Genestealers on Spacehulks, I imagined that spacehulks were a type of mounts that they rode on top of, visually something between an umbral hulk and the Hulk...
I think going on about correcting minor misconceptions is pointless here. He is 95% correcting in everything he says. Great video and very entertaining, especially to a 40k fan like myself. Keep up the great work. 👍
Fun fact, most imperium ships are cities Man how i would love to see his reaction to the Phalanx. Which is, What if you told a bunch of Super Solider Bob the builders to turn an asteroid into a spaceship. "Ship" is a relative term all things considered, its more of a highly mobile space station.
To be fair when you're piloting a titan, the last thing on your mind is balance. Because if you're out in the field odds are that there's another bigass titan who's not your friend looking to make your life a temporary one.
Someone’s probably already mentioned this but Warhammer does in fact have a faction that uses pocket dimensions to store and deploy its armaments from, the Necrons. They even store themselves there when they need to take a nap.
If you see this I'm surprised that you didn't mention that the main drive to explore a space hulk is to find a standard template construct (STC) fragment, which are basically parts of an AI (which of course is techno-hearsy) that contain remnants of manufacturing data which, naturally, when research is literally heretical is fairly useful. Of course the one time they found a full STC (Death of Integrity) it wasn't too happy given how it came from hell, tried to get help from a feudal world leading to the commander being executed for heresy, and then being boarded by some cultists and threatened to be destroyed as a heretic, before promptly destroying the entire fleet and fucking off to a saner galaxy.
The Warp is literally chaos embodied. It is a moving tidal space of emotions made real. When a ship goes into Warp - it effectively is non- material (the warp is known as the immaterium). So, yeah, it is a nightmare because it is made in a place made of nightmares.
My son and I refer to the Emperor of Humanity and his 'golden throne' as 'the Zombie on the golden highchair being fed psychic baby food.' But your works too lol.
Want an example that encapsulates a LOT of in-universe attitude various faction have about technology? There is an artwork/scheme of how macrocannons on imperial starships are loaded. Thousands of slaves chained to giant cables, who are all supposed to manually move the round and then breach. The catch? The whole system is an autoloader and those thousands of people suffer for AESTHETICS just because a tech priest in charge of the cannon believes that sweat, blood and toil of ordinary men in service of machinery pleases Omnissiah, a god that doesn't even exist(yet)!
Well, it might or might not already exist depending on your theology. In the mainstream (official) mechanicum doctrine, the emperor is the omnissiah, so he already exists, they are just super wrong about what pleases him, and in the second most popular doctrine, the emperor is an aspect or an avatar of the omnissiah, and the omnissiah itself can be inferred to be the void dragon, so it also exists, they are just wronger about what pleases him, and also super heretics ^^
@@SacredCowShipyards yeah but here's something you didn't take into account: giant multi-storey robots with stupidly large guns are cool. Rule of cool > logic
I think the lore is that human forms are better for humans to control with mind to machine melding. And the tech is crazy enough to make it work. It also comes in tank form called the Ordinatus. Plus, higher elevation means you can fire at stuff behind the hill too.
@@SacredCowShipyards The great thing about Titans is how hard they commit to the whole intensely weird 40K aesthetic. They aren't just overgrown mech suits or even super heavy combat assets - they are also walking, fighting temples to the Ad Mech's ideal of the Omnissiah. They are avatars of the Tech Cult's notion of godhead, and to the Tech Cult the 'flesh is weak' (hence the excessive cybernetics they go in for), but the Omnissiah still has uses for the humanoid form, so the bipedal, humanoid combat walker is (perversely in some ways) seen as an embodiment of divinity, and the Imperium being the Imperium, bigger is better and thus even more sacred, so the physical manifestations of the Omnissiah's will and grace have to be insanely huge. It all fits into the psychology of the Imperium, and especially the Tech Cult, as it is established in the (as already noted, deeply weird) lore of the setting.
The thing that really gets on my tits about 40k is the near complete lack of technological progression, they literally pray that important things don't break because they can't replace them. If they poured all the resources they spend on relic hunting on R&D then they'd nearly be caught up. I totally get the faction that wants humanity to end, living in that universe is hell for the 99.9999999%.
The thing is - the archiotech has such an amazing value as what they are trying to find is a Standard Template Construct (STC) which contains blueprints of things from the "Dark Age of Technology" when they actually could innovate. The cult nature of the Imperium is that their mechs believe that all knowledge exists already and to invent is heresy- so the only way something "new" can be built is if they find it, or they take existing things and glue them together (like put an existing style of gun on a different tank chassis). Hence, when they find anything - it is a huge innovation which will be spread over the entire Imperium. One example is when they found a single STC which showed how to make a cheaper better combat knife - they rewarded the guys who found it with litterally dominion of a planet. For a knife. So, that should give you some idea of the value that a space hulk represents. The Imperium will spend treasure to get an STC. They can still manufacture terminator suits- but the processes is amazingly expensive- so this is their most valuable mission profile.
Nah, Orks have space hulks too. You can tell when a hulk has an Ork infestation when it stop sprouting tentacles and starts sprouting ungodly amounts of guns. Sometimes they can even get the overgrown garbage lumps to go where they want to, more or less.
I always thought the point of Space Hulks was that they were just normal ships smashed together with literal demon magic and shoved full of abominations. The Extermanautus weaponry is usually handwoven as "it only works on planets" and it's pretty much reserved for heretics, chaos, and tyranids.
Well the Imperium can still produce Terminator armor (tactical dreadnought armor). Only the less powerfull Mk. 4 pattern and not the earlier ones and only very few forge worlds still have the abillity to do so.
The Imperium can make terminator armor. The issue is that it is resource intensive and not easy to make, therefore is made rarely and in small batches.
Space Hulks are like Warp Tosheroons, and the value of materials which can be salvaged from them is tremendous - even ignoring the potential of spectacular finds. A couple of points however: First, the exploration of Space Hulks is not limited to Terminators, Astartes in “normal” power armour are frequently deployed in this role; the best stories often come from the most dangerous deployments and the association of Hulks and Tactical Dreadnaught armour is thus very deep. The Astartes _are_ usually the ones required to deal with Hulks; but that’s because they’re specialists at boarding actions and close ship-to-ship combat and their reaction time is short enough to make a difference. Raising an Imperial Guard force can take decades and Hulks which hang around that long are impossibly rare. Tactical Dreadnaught armour is not a “lost” technology, in fact it is so mundane that the tech-priests allow half-trained soldiers to maintain it. It does require specific facilities however, and these are much in demand (which limits their production and makes them rare).
I love the mention of pocket universes. Because all it reminded me of is how Necrons literally use pocket dimensions for actual pockets. I always get a kick out of just how unbelievably next level Necron technology is.
Er, point of order, it is possible to make new suits of Tactical Dreadnought armor (AKA Terminator plate) it's just horrifically expensive even by the standards of massive forge worlds and so is typically reserved for fresh foundings and emergency resupply. Otherwise most chapters of marines are left to their own devices to acquire what suits they may, however they may.
So, you fell into 2 common tropes about the universe one of which is actually wrong and I’ll explain them below. At the beginning you mentioned the lasguns of the Guard as “flashlights” in the common trope. Those lasguns are actually terrifyingly powerful until you run into supersoldiers clad in inches thick powered armoured made from the same material as tank armour or Orks that can resist hilarious amounts of energy or Eldar with their holofields and reflective armour and so on. Against Tau Fire Warriors who are the nearest alien equals to a Guardsman a lasrifle will do a lot of damage, though Tau armour is built to resist their own plasma weapons. Against your average rebel or Chaos soldier who are basically on par with lower end Guard units a lasgun will tear them apart. A single hit to your shoulder will blow your arm clean off thanks to thermal expansion and the flash-boiling of the water in your cells, hotshot lasguns are even more dangerous given they have an increased output. Also, you fall into the common trope of thinking that Exterminatus is common thanks to the memes. It isn’t, to the contrary, Exterminatus is reserved solely for worlds that cannot be recovered or would otherwise be useless once recovered. For example; a world that gets taken into a Warp rift may come back as a Daemon world and thus be impossible to reclaim, some Daemon worlds are rendered immune to Exterminatus through Warp fuckery but those that aren’t cannot be reclaimed and may provide a base for Chaos to terrorise the local sector. At that point the world may be rendered uninhabitable through several means from just bombing it from orbit until the crust turns to dust to dropping a super-virus onto the planet that kills all life off in days then burn the atmosphere or even just breaking the damn thing in half. Similarly, a world infested by the Tyranids beyond a certain point is certain to be lost and will just be left a barren ball of rock once the swarm is done so it is often worth destroying the planet so the Tyranids cannot use it to replenish their numbers. A planet that rebels on the other hand is worth reclaiming. The Severan Dominate for example; has spend decades or perhaps centuries after rebelling to fight a continuous war against Imperial forces with its own ships and armies to guard its worlds with the benefit that the Imperium is too busy elsewhere to properly swat them. Even still each of their worlds is fiercely fought for at massive cost on both sides with neither side having resorted to Exterminatus. The world of Krieg rebelled during the Horus Heresy and spent 300 years locked in a civil war that practically destroyed the planet but after contact was reestablished has become the source for some of the Imperiums most loyal troops and its most effective siege units. It is actually the case that the Inquisitor or Space Marine Chapter Master or sufficiently high-ranking Imperial Guard officer (usually a Sector commander) or sufficiently high-ranking Admiral (something like a Lord-High Admiral commanding an entire Sector fleet) can give the order and they are brought up to answer for why they gave it. It is taken so seriously that even a Lord-Inquisitor who is normally above all oversight will be brought before a Conclave of other Inquisitors to answer for having given the decree to damn an entire world and if they fail to provide a compelling enough reason they are executed. Sure, there was that one Inquisitor or group of them who whilst chasing a ship of potentially Chaos tainted refugees destroyed 12 heavily populated worlds that they had stopped at but he was executed for doing so.
@@shadowlord1418 agreed. They want a reason every single time. I lured tyranids to tombworlds then blasted the shit out of it with the exterminatus and just a day later one of them came to me and asked me personally. I told him the world got almost taken over by tyranids before the necrons put an end to it and I decided to use the opportunity. And then he demanded proof. I told him to go find the evidence if he wants any.
@@aliboy357 the Imperium of Man thought Krieg had wipes it's self out. Extermenatus by nuclear fire was krieg's fate. By the God Emperor glorious light Krieg was ordered to fire hundreds of nukes on its self. And not just regular nukes dark ages nukes dirty dark age nukes. The fact that any thing still grows on Krieg is a minor miracle. It's classified as a death world for a reason.
They don't just recover individual items of tech from spacehulks. On a number of occasions, whole ships (which can measure in the tens of kilometers in length) have been recovered, cleaned out, repaired, and returned to service, sometimes millennia after being lost.
the benefit of 40k is that there are "live" and very much active gods while the universe itself bends to the wills (and more importantly FEARS) of it's inhabitants. thus space hulk? yeah, that's dumb it could NEVER be a threat. but what if it was. . . ..
*Everything* is big enough to have its own gravitational field. ;) Aside from that, junk floating in water is attracted by increased surface tension between two objects, because water is very very sticky. (the only reason we don't notice is because we need water so it doesn't feel weird to most people. I for one hate the feeling of water on my skin.) In space, small objects are attracted by electrostatic charges, and big objects are attracted by gravity.
There is something called centurion suits, basically "lite" versions of terminator armor that *can* be made by the Imperium, also fun fact the first version of terminator armor were basically hazmat space-suits from the "golden age".
Oddly enough, the usual Space Hulks floating out there in the 40k universe tend to be populated by large green fungus organisms... Da Orks. Or Genestealers. Or Chaos Space Marines. Or weird xeno species. Probably all at the same time. They're the party buses of the Warp. _Cue Six flags music._
Ork Space Hulk leaves the warp* Terminators board to find stuff* Terminator walks in on a bunch of Orks just rokin out to sum toons wit flashin lights n havin a hella gud tim Terminator slowly closes door* “Lets pass in this one,” he says with muffled music in the background.
In the titans defence most of them mount energy weapons with few exceptions. Granted, one of those exceptions is called the "Left Hand of Darkness" in "Low Gothic" and it fires the concentrated pain of three captive psykers.
In water; water likes touching water. It doesn’t like touching not water. So as things flow and randomly collide the water keeps them together by surface tension of sort. In space it’s just microgravity.
Exterminatus has been used by the Inquisition to destroy a bunch of Imperial Worlds, to redirect a Tyranid fleet towards Ork infested planets, so they'd fight and weaken each other. However, the plan backfired. This may be mentioned below however I only have 1.98 femtoseconds dedicated to this response format.
Most titan weapons are energy cannons. The only things that aren't are like the Vulcan Megabolters (the twin rotary cannon mount) stubbers (which are generally speaking infantry weapons), battle cannons (who have massive ammo hoppers mounted on them) Shieldbreaker Missiles (which come in mountings of 2), and Stormspear rocket pods. Furthermore, the Indomitus pattern of terminator armor can be reproduced by the Imperium now.
If there are any green ones, the Imperium has probably taken extra care to reference that part in their delightful naming convention. So instead of the SPAWN OF DAMNATION, I assume a green space hulk would be named the VERDANT HERESY?
It’s not all that easy to turn around in terminator armour when down a corridor especially with some of the weapons strapped to the arms. You can quite easily get overrun if you don’t watch your back.
I will say the impirum can and often does make new sets of terminator armor. It's just expensive and reserved for each space marine chapter's elite squads.
Originally I did not get into 40K because of the financial barrier to entry. Then I met some of the people who played, and a few of them were astoundingly toxic about "approved paint colors and patterns" and their lore purism, and realized that if I did play, I would eventually be across the table from that kind of person, and stayed in my D&D clique.
I think the actual marvel hulk, if he happened to be launched into 40k, would definetely be venerated and worshipped by the orks. he is big and green and angry and strong. and the angrier he gets, the bigger and stronger and greener he gets. the orks would treat him as a demy god.. although this might be a very questionable honor to him, because they'd want him as angry as possible all the time.
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As a 40k person, so he says he doesn't know much bout 40k, but he gets all the weird aspects right. I guess this is good :D
The inquisition has noted your observation and will take it from here.
I've been a free-trader since 1996, your Inquisition does not scare me. I come from the Before Time When there were only 1000 Marines per chapter. The the Warhammer and Warhammer 40K universe have been building on themselves and each other for so long did it would take a lifetime of nerd fueled experience and study in order to know enough of it to be entirely accurate.
It is a shame that the company itself has taken such a Ferengi driven motivation, the depth of story would make for fantastic future endeavors as long as you can afford to mortgage your house to get the new line of miniatures.
@@kevinkorenke3569 Ummm, I hate to tell you this, but GW makes the Ferengi look charitable. We knew this all the way back when they turned White Dwarf from a good all-round games-rag into what amounted to a periodical GW catalog extension.
Thankfully it took FASA a while longer to fall to the seduction of the GW-esque Dark Side
@@StyxRiverGynoid I don't mind potentially paying a higher price for a BattleTech Miniatures, I don't need 50 of them to make a decent-sized army. The rulebooks for BattleTech don't go through a series of arbitrary rule changes based on a marketing schedule either.
@@kevinkorenke3569 there's armies where you can build a an army with less than 20 models. Many of the factions can build low model count armies.
A quick lore correction: Terminator suits aren't quite irreplaceable, just horribly expensive. The materials used to create them are so rare and the techniques to create the suit so time-consuming that it can take decades to produce them. Whenever a chapter is created, efforts will be made to issue out at least some suits, and replacement parts. However, only the oldest, wealthiest, and most respected chapters will have enough to outfit their entire veteran company (100 marines).
And then there is the Grey Knights who hog enough suits for their entire chapter of ~1000 marines
@@davidthomas2870 those are even worse, because the extra-special Grey Knights have to have extra-special techniques used to create, sanctify, and fortify their suits. This includes sacrificing pious souls/individuals to create the suits. Because of course you have to, why the fuck not, it's 40k!
@@astronomybrainiac so even more prohibitively costly. Tbh tho you do need a reserve of guys who can banish demon primarchs when they pop up because the alternative is the imperium just looses.
@@astronomybrainiac
They went from cool to grim derp with their 5th edition codex, never recovered.
However, the oldest terminators are the most powerful, and those cannot be reproduced because they’re composed of DAOT era tech that the imperium has forgotten. Later ones are less powerful (but still fuck off powerful) and can be replaced as you said.
Everybody gangsta until the cathedral stands up and starts walking towards you, arm-cannons humming ominously.
And the basic laws of physic kick in and it sinks 100meters under the ground due to it's terible weight distribution.
@@xzardas541 You forgot about one crucial parameter that is preventing such occurence: The Emperor protects!
@@gobihoukou1 if you belive in the emperor enaugh, you can go in raw and not impregnate, THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!
@@HalIOfFamer wait, are you suggesting the Empire works under the same system as the Orks? I believe in it so it works?
@@Montyandrew45 everything works like that in 40k, at least when it comes to the warp
Someone once asked me to explain Space Hulks and I said this:
A Space Hulk is multiple ships stuck in a dimension of cosmic horror and squished together like leftover bits of coloured playdough until it's the size of a respectable planetoid. All the different systems are somehow still working or sometimes demonically possessed so that every corridor has a different center of gravity, or is alive, or is trying to graphically sodomize you and potentially with the undead betentacled corpses of the former crew.
The different FTL systems that got those ships into the horror dimension in the first place are also still working, so the Hulk will be periodically temporarily spat out into the real world, though in a variety of times and places, because that horror dimension doesn't subscribe to Space-Time or even Physics. These little real-world vacations are actually opportunities for predatory alien races to infest the Hulk, such as Tyranids or Orks. Or to spread any such existing infestations to nearby unsuspecting star systems and planets.
Why would anyone ever want to board a Space Hulk? All those ships are from different races and time periods, and so could potentially contain ancient technology worth literal planets in value, alien artifacts worth fortunes to the right buyer, or relics of incredible religious or historical cultural sentiment to your faction. It's just a matter of finding your way in and out alive, uninfected, uncorrupted and unlikely to be betrayed by your party, before the Hulk disappears into that other dimension again, and you have no idea when it will do that.
Yup, that sounds like the hardest of hard nos. Smack an asteroid into that thing, destabilize its orbit, and send it into your sun.
An asteroid will propably just scratch the hull, and sending that much reactors and ammo into a star may backfire spectacularly.
Stars can be destroyed by massive fleets just shooting at it long enough in warhammer.
Just blast it to bits.
@@balazsvarga1823 I hope you brought enough ammo
@@TheSchultinator big red button go BOOM!!!
@@inquisitorbenediktanders3142 I repeat my earlier statement
40K always messes with my perspective. A couple of squads of space marines in Terminator armour would rip through any modern day army without much of an issue, but when you put them in universe, they're just slightly crunchy squishies with a mortality rate that makes mainlining arsenic seem safe.
WH40k is "HERE THERE BE DRAGONS", only, like, everywhere.
@@SacredCowShipyards Yeah, you really do not want to live in the 40k universe. Food for most Imperial citizens is basically Soylent Green and there is a good chance you will be lobotomised and turned into a tool of some kind. If you're really, truly unlucky you might end up with the Dark Eldar!
@@mainepants Or your colony was built on a Tomb World, or a Warp Storm shows up or, well, there's no wonder humie life has such low value in that 'verse.
@@SacredCowShipyards Hey, I resemble that remark!
@@SacredCowShipyards 40K is more like Here be dragons... and here be the things that eat dragons... and Here be the things that eat the things that eat dragons!
The titans look humanoid because the human form is consudered sacred.
And they are literal weaponized cathedrals as well
@@ElementsRook Because hey. Who *doesn’t* want to stomp someone with your walking church?
@@banzeyegaming2234 squishy meat bags that's who 😎
ERIN YEAGER WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU.
It's also an STC, so better make it to the designs
The funny thing is, that terminator armor was originally used for asteroid mining.
i was about to write something similar
It was plasma rector maintance wasn't it
It was reactor maintenance, not mining. It is a very good hazardous environment suit, so people /have/ used it for everything, but it was /designed/ for reactor maintenance.
Should be made clear
The armor plating and HUD in them are not from the original design
It's not just a mining suit, or a reactor maintenance suit
It is a repurposed mining/maintenance suit with upgraded tech and a shit ton of metal bolted onto it!
Much of the imperium's technology is based on dark of age technology civilian grade tech, lasguns and terminator armor being the most famous examples of this. They just upgrade it and repurpose it for war, multiple versions of lasguns exist in a attempt to improve it but some were faulty (firing the gun a few times irradiates the wielder to death for example), others not fit for mass production but are superior master craft weapons.
"Junk attracts Junk" is basically the theory of gravitation.
And planetary formation. Yeah, I'm not surprised they exist, that's basically what planets are.
So then explain why gravitation happens in a body of water then where everything is Floating at zero water displacement but that still happens then. Collecting together some I can see but all of it? It's kind of the king of weird.
@@warsprite1888 Surface tension mostly; it's called the Cheerios Effect. Floating objects tend to create depressions or hills in the water's surface, which can attract or repel other floating objects. Which is also why it happens only at the surface, and there aren't large lumps of trash floating around above the sea floor.
@@NixodCreations Yeah, I can see that and it even makes sense but it is still creepy as f*** when you see all the jelly fish in the ocean do it, all floating on the top of the water, dead so I can only picture what going into what of these hulks would be like with the added benefit of "weird gravity" being under the "environmental conditions" category as well.
It's no wonder they only send terminators (and Ciaphas Cain apparently) into space hulks because nothing else would survive it.
@@warsprite1888 Please fell free to review your high school classes on both "states of matter" and "gravity" and respond with a clearly stated, reasonably well thought out follow-up question.
I do not necessarily exist to provide you with your educational requirements, and I am definitely not here to do research on your behalf.
The imperium will exterminatus planets they consider "lost" not just heretical planets. Things like planets where the population have become hopelessly infiltrated and infected by genestealers for example.
The reason they explore the hulks isn't just for individual trinkets, there the chance of recovering STC templates which allows the construction of devices they no longer understand using an STC constructor (which they also don't understand, but know how to use). Basically it's a blueprint for a device that you input into a "make anything" automated factory.
Recovering an STC template is huge, I mean HUGE huge as it allows the imperium to replace machines lost to attrition or even make new previously lost machines. They might also recover an actual STC constructor, these things were sent out with colony ships and would make everything the colonists needed to settle a new planet so finding one inside a hulk is a real if remote possibility.
Fun fact a pair of gaurdsmen scouts once managed to recover an STC for a combat knife that was sharper, lighter and tougher they were both apointed planetery govenours when they handed it over.
@@jan-pieter5576 and space marines still use that knife design to this day as their last ditch weapon. Even the primaris ones, just scaled up. Probably the single most produced weapon in the imperium bar maybe lasguns
Let’s be honest if stcs did exist thed have found a complete one by now if pre dark age people where anything like us a toaster would know the blueprints of said toaster. Stcs would be on every ship just because people are lazy and don’t want to wait to get to a port for a ship part.
The 40K universe is one vast horror story, cosmic, body and every other kind of horror.. Life in the underhive, the horrors of the chaos gods, the awful totalitarian theocracy that is the Empire Of Man. It is grotesque and terrifying. Whenever anyone asks "If you could live in any fantasy world..." Nobody ever answers "Oh, the 40K universe!" To do so would immediately rend the respondee into a straight jacket and padded cell.
That’s the thing that sets 40K fans apart from other fandoms. Star Trek fans would love to live in that universe. The same could generally be said about the Star Wars universe, but for fans of the grim darkness of the forty-second millennium, we know to stay far far away from such thoughts. Unless you are guaranteed to become an Inquisitor or an Ork or something.
@@kerbe3 being reborn a ork would be the only way I would want to live in the 40k universe. I would be a member of the only race that's having a good time.
@@sirpieman300 unless you're a gretchin
Demonculaba
well, to be fair, there are sometimes large green organisms on space hulks, we call them Orks
Infantryman's response: "Hell No SIr, I'm crazy not stupid, recommend using plenty of explosives or a nuke instead."
*Sudden lasgun shot*
Commissar : any other suggestion ?
@@nathanjora7627 Commissar Cain:
(In a Melodramatic voice suitable for amphitheaters)
"Alas poor Yorick! For I knew him well!"
(Bell Rings)
Oh look it's the dinner bell, come along now Guardsman!
@UCobvSkUIec7sRLSSCCVz5rg Yarick you say? Even space marines don’t fuck with him. The one man who can look a commissar in the eye, tell him to F off, and not get shot.
Just to be that guy, every atom has its own gravitational field. You do not need a planet-size object to have gravity. But the bigger the object the more gravity the object has.
Isn't the whole Planck scale thing derived from the initial thesis that a proton has a Schwarzschild radius?
My personal favorite is when the Greenskins capture one and attach big f***ing engines to them, wire all of the big f***ing engines up to a big red button that they then throw snotlings at to make the whole thing go zoom! If you can't tell what passes for Greenskin engineering often makes me dissolve into fits of uncontrollable laughter.
OI YA GIT! IT AINT RED!
The Orks are literally the definition of "It works, so it ain't stupid."
@@nicholaswalsh4462 That's the thing, it shouldn't work, remember the story of the Leeman Russ tank that the greenskins took? Guard abandoned it after the engine was knocked out the next day the greenskins have it back up an running until the guard knocks it out again. keeps going on for several months before the guard finally reclaim the tank and while the techpriests go about purifying and repairing it they find that the engine was completely removed and replaced with a drawing of the engine taped to the side of the compartment with the word VROOOOOM!!!! written just below it. The fact that a greenskin believes it will work and therefore it does work is the bit that makes me laugh.
@@gotohellqultist7770 ITZ GOT DAH BIG RED BUTON! NOW SHUTZ IT AND GETZ ME SOME SHROOM BEER!
@@adamdubin1276 NO SQIG IZ DA BOSS!
Warhammer 40k exists in a universe that rolled critical-fails on all of its stats.
Except strength.
@@saucevc8353 willpower and dexterity is also pretty high
That they don't just blast apart the Space Hulk is a testament to just how desperate they are for the technology a lost space hulk represents, since they likely have all manner of high technology on it. The question isn't if they'll find it - most of these ships are more advanced than the current Imperial Navy, save some really old ones - but rather if it's in a salvageable state. But faced against a variety of alien threats that have more advanced technology than their own, its kind of considered a matter of survival as a species at this point to reclaim their lost advantage. The Imperium in the time the Emperor was alive was basically supposed to be a technological match, if not superior to, most of the threats they currently face. A single STC (the blueprints put into a WH40k 3D printer, basically) of the right weapon would literally be a turning point in the war worth the expendiature of resources and manpower.
The necrons (robot skeleton guys) do have pocket dimensions, they are most commonly used for trash disposal
Trash in this case also include intruders
They also have snipers called death marks who snipe you from other dimensions. Or something along those lines
Their snipers essentially spend all their free time hanging around this side dimensional junkyard. really adds more flavour to them not being really liked by most other necron forces.
@@lornbaker1083 you know it's bad when other necrons hate them also
A point to consider regarding exterminatus.
Two actually.
First point, the imperium has a **lot** of worlds under its control. Destroying one to keep it out of the hands of chaos is not only economical, but also ethical.
Because a world that becomes a daemon world is.... Imagine having a toe go necrotic, and and instead of getting rid of it, you let it spawn a blood infection. You lose the toe either way, but now you put more at risk.
As for using cyclonic torpedoes on Space hulks, they sometimes do if the risk is too great.
"We need to send terminators into the space hulk to recover the terminator suits from the last batch we sent!"
Goes into space hulk*
Guys, it’s terminator Bob!
He survived the warp for the last hundred years. Hows it going Bob haven’t seen you in forever?
Meh, demons took my penis.
Well we recovered a terminator so we can leave now… oh it just went back in the warp didn’t it. So what do you do for fun around here Bob?
Bob what are you doing with those space scissors?
To be fair, destroying a space hulk is damn near impossible. The amount of punishment these things can take is ludicrous. And even if you succeed in blowing it apart, well now you have about half a dozen space hulks floating around.
It's a literal pile of armor fuzed together with more armor intermixed with heresy, they're best left well enough alone as there's not much you can do about them considering how stretched out the imperium's navy is
@@andrewgreeb916 Unfortunately, leaving it alone isn't really an option. Sooner or later it's going to drift near a planet and disgorge its horrors onto said planet. This is why it's best to clear them out. Better to deal with the creepy crawlies while they're still in deep space and not rampaging through your cities.
It’s like that old joke about the unarmed soldier fighting a stick. Sure the soldier can break the stick in half. But now he just has two small sticks to deal with.
Since these things don't have any propulsion (apart from warp drives) that could reliably stabilize it, then it should be relatively easy to just push them into nearest star and hope that it'll get there before it jumps back into the warp.
@@fanta4897 pushing sometimes hundreds Reactors of unknown age and power, munitions And warp drives into a star is not the best, especially if there is a colonized planet or just something valueable in the entire system.
even more when you consider they might contain ancient relics worth more than a entire space marine legion.
Some points, Space Hulks aren't exclusively explored by Terminators or even by Space Marines, but when Space Marines do explore Space Hulks sending Terminators is a good way to reduce casualties.
The Imperium (technically the Mechanicum) CAN make more Terminator armor, but only a few planets in the galaxy have the facilities and the Imperium doesn't know how to make more production lines for it.
Also Terminator armor is _stupidly_ expensive. Like, the people who start work on a suit are rarely alive to see it finished
A little bit od info:
The Imperium in current lore is a bit better with technology.
But terminator suits still need a century or two to make and are rare.
And yes, sending them into hulks is bonkers if you expect tyranids, where a more mobile nornal marine may fare better.
Also, a missed weird thing is how powerful this hulks are. Made of half functioning wrecks, you would imagine them to be weaker than a fleet of properly maintained and operated ships.
Also, the 'Time Capsule'-thing is an extremly correct observation! Time travel in the Warp is not even possible, but a normality! You can spend thounsands of Years in there with it feeling like 20 :P
The reasoning behind using terminators in space hulks is that the hulk is filled with narrow corridors which are ideally suited for terminators who can simply plonk down and lay down a torrent of storm bolter fire at anything that comes at them.
Bold of you to assume the Imperium has well maintained and properly functioning ships
I think the big difference there is scale and redundancy. A dozen ships all smashed together, that's a dozen power plants, a dozen bridges, a dozen sets of weapons, etc, etc; also these things are huge
The problem with space hulks is that those ships are not just crashed and stuck into one another. the warp FUSES them together. Steel with rock, wraithbone, hell even tyranid biomass. It´s all fused permamently together sometimes into one big unholy mass of nightmares. which can end up with over a hundred of meters of plaststeel armor and rock between the gun firing and the reactor it´s aiming to blow up. add the fact that space hulks are on average multiple kilometers in size and made out of a couple dozen ships and asteroids. Those things are as well protected as a damn space fortress.
Terminator armor is technically reproducible. It's just exorbitantly expensive. But if you brought home an stc the mechanicus wanted they would happily provide you with multiple suits.
From what I understand an STC that build slightly sharper knives was paid for in planets to the one's who found it. A full and complete STC of a Terminator armor? You'll be owning more than one solar system.
@@TheDemigans Yep. A couple of guardsmen scouts got made into Planetary governors.
Tbf those knifes are the ones used by Space Marines.
I like the way you described the guard as 'Mark 1 Mod 0 Humans'. That's also what we are.
Wouldn’t we be like Mk 3 Mod X humans, seeing as there have been a couple of forms before our current one
@@Sturmischer Na chief, Neanderthals and suchlike are considered a big enough change to warrant their own names. Much like AK47 was replaced with AK74 and not AK47b***
@@Prussia1991 seeing as early humans and neanderthals were able to have children together, I'd include them in the same category
Junk accumulates in eddies in the water, or, I guess, the warp.
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'I have detected disturbances in the wash.'
'The wash?'
'The space-time wash.'
'Are we talking about some sort of Vogon laundromat, or what are we talking about?'
'Eddies in the space-time continuum.'
'Ah...is he. Is he.'
'What?'
'Er, who is Eddy, then, exactly?'
― Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe and Everything
Also, think Lagrange Points.
@@colinsmith1495 What is he pointing at?
The title is accurate. The enormous green organism you were thinking of is in fact Big Bork from _Angry Birds: Space_
Some perspective on the Guardsman's lasgun: the lasgun is a pulse laser that converts the surface of what it hits into plasma by dumping enormous amounts of energy into it, with equivalent force to modern hand grenade. It can blow off limbs, rip a man in half and even kill most things in 40k if it hits something important. The issue is that everything in 40k is absurdly tough so a weapon that does surface damage has to keep hammering the target till you bore through or crack that armor or apply so much heat that you cook those behind the armor alive. Given enough time and lasguns, you can kill literally anything. Just not fast enough much of the time
Everybody gangsta till the church starts walking...
Everybody gangsta till the walking church stops walking…
Fun fact, if I'm not mistaken the joke about nuclear reactors with the terminator armor actually isn't too far off from their ancient original purpose. I vaguely recall reading that back in humanitys golden age before everything went to shit in 40k, the equivalent of teminator suits were basically regular-ass civilian protective suits, worn for heavy duty hazardous stuff such as performing repairs/maintenance on a plasma reactor *while it was still active*
cant wait for him to find the necron map that doubles as a super weapon
I could really muck with your head by telling you that 40k Ork tech works because they believe it should .
Oh, someone else has already pointed out that, and how the Grey Knights get away with their Warp nonsense.
@@SacredCowShipyards wait until you get into how the sisters of battle use actual Faith to create psychic abilities instead of drawing from the warp it's just as confusing and not just for us it also confuses the sisters themselves they're not too sure themselves whether or not this is them accidentally being psychic or actual face value genuine faith in the emperor. Because they absolutely hate psykers. Also apparently the Celestine is now a genuine holy loyalist demon of the warp that's fuelled by the emperor's power, it's so confusing. By comparison the space Orks are honestly a lot easier to understand, it's just simple Mind Over Matter the ork dont mind because to them nothing else matters.
@@lornbaker1083 the sisters are also fairly simple: they are themselves warped in such a way as to be Psychically True to both the Emperor-Being of Man and their own Psychic-root (Cthulhu), in so warping, they create a resonance with the in-Universe ebb-and-tide of sacredness, thereby drawing energy from the string of connection to the warp... the question is, doing so, do they make the warp more or less warped?
Exactly that's how confusing it is even the sisters don't understand themselves if they're actually doing something that accomplishes anything at all. Cause I got no freaking clue
Fun fact: Terminator Armor is derived from a mining suit used in the dark age of technology, when tech was so advanced that humans didn’t even need to fight in wars.
actually the huge titans do re-cycle the used shells back to the ammo storage exactly because otherwise they'd tip over due to a shifting center of gravity.
Edit: I meant shell casings.
One commendable aspect of WH40k is that the answer to the problem of FTL violating causality is to go ahead and violate causality anyway and then act all surprised when causality violates everyone back.
"Whooops." - some Tech-Priest somewhere.
The imperium can still make terminator armor, just not very quickly.
I always wonder why the imperium does not send in mining teams to strip mine the surface of the space hulks alongside salvage crews to extract whole ships from its surface and have space marines clear those surface sections prior to extraction and all the salvage, mining and military personnel strip those hulks down from the outside in to the core in a systematic process.
Thereby placing the minimum amount of risk on its personal and maximizing its recovery of rare and valuable materials. Both raw manufacturing materials and lost or alien tech.
This method would eliminate the tieinids ability to swarm personnel from every angle, allow capital class weapons to be brought to bear on demons, tirinids, orks and chaos marines that try to attack them on the hulks surface.
Leaving virtually no room for the threats aboard the hulk to harm the recovery personnel.
By plot design the presence of a spacehulk in realspace is temporary.
It will either smash into a planet or go back in the warp.
Fun fact about space hulks. Sometimes if the Marines successfully shut down whatever malfunctioning warp thingamajig that jumps the cluster of shit back into the warp,the Imperium starts salvaging the hulk.
And then instead of melting down the hulls and making razor blades out of them,they rebuild them into their original configuration and send them back to war.
First time I heard about Space Marines fighting Genestealers on Spacehulks, I imagined that spacehulks were a type of mounts that they rode on top of, visually something between an umbral hulk and the Hulk...
Just for reference, Space Marine power armour is literally a walking nuclear powered tank linked directly to the wearer's nervous system.
I think going on about correcting minor misconceptions is pointless here. He is 95% correcting in everything he says. Great video and very entertaining, especially to a 40k fan like myself. Keep up the great work. 👍
I learned more about 40k in this video than even hours of audiobooks.
Fun fact, most imperium ships are cities
Man how i would love to see his reaction to the Phalanx.
Which is, What if you told a bunch of Super Solider Bob the builders to turn an asteroid into a spaceship.
"Ship" is a relative term all things considered, its more of a highly mobile space station.
it's actually easier to kill a planet then a space hulk... like I'm fairly certain that's canon
"Junk attracts junk" is why Earth exists...
To be fair when you're piloting a titan, the last thing on your mind is balance. Because if you're out in the field odds are that there's another bigass titan who's not your friend looking to make your life a temporary one.
Someone’s probably already mentioned this but Warhammer does in fact have a faction that uses pocket dimensions to store and deploy its armaments from, the Necrons. They even store themselves there when they need to take a nap.
If you see this I'm surprised that you didn't mention that the main drive to explore a space hulk is to find a standard template construct (STC) fragment, which are basically parts of an AI (which of course is techno-hearsy) that contain remnants of manufacturing data which, naturally, when research is literally heretical is fairly useful. Of course the one time they found a full STC (Death of Integrity) it wasn't too happy given how it came from hell, tried to get help from a feudal world leading to the commander being executed for heresy, and then being boarded by some cultists and threatened to be destroyed as a heretic, before promptly destroying the entire fleet and fucking off to a saner galaxy.
The Warp is literally chaos embodied. It is a moving tidal space of emotions made real. When a ship goes into Warp - it effectively is non- material (the warp is known as the immaterium). So, yeah, it is a nightmare because it is made in a place made of nightmares.
You don’t want to breakdown in the warp.
My son and I refer to the Emperor of Humanity and his 'golden throne' as 'the Zombie on the golden highchair being fed psychic baby food.' But your works too lol.
Want an example that encapsulates a LOT of in-universe attitude various faction have about technology? There is an artwork/scheme of how macrocannons on imperial starships are loaded. Thousands of slaves chained to giant cables, who are all supposed to manually move the round and then breach. The catch? The whole system is an autoloader and those thousands of people suffer for AESTHETICS just because a tech priest in charge of the cannon believes that sweat, blood and toil of ordinary men in service of machinery pleases Omnissiah, a god that doesn't even exist(yet)!
Well, it might or might not already exist depending on your theology.
In the mainstream (official) mechanicum doctrine, the emperor is the omnissiah, so he already exists, they are just super wrong about what pleases him, and in the second most popular doctrine, the emperor is an aspect or an avatar of the omnissiah, and the omnissiah itself can be inferred to be the void dragon, so it also exists, they are just wronger about what pleases him, and also super heretics ^^
"noo you cant have bipedal combat platforms, they are too unstable nooo"
"haha stompy robots go BRRRRRR"
I mean, there's a difference between wrapping a combat suit around a humie and building a monstrous thing that the humie just pilots.
@@SacredCowShipyards yeah but here's something you didn't take into account: giant multi-storey robots with stupidly large guns are cool. Rule of cool > logic
I think the lore is that human forms are better for humans to control with mind to machine melding.
And the tech is crazy enough to make it work. It also comes in tank form called the Ordinatus.
Plus, higher elevation means you can fire at stuff behind the hill too.
@@balazsvarga1823 nah, just use the sunfury plasma annihilator to remove the hill and anything behind it
@@SacredCowShipyards The great thing about Titans is how hard they commit to the whole intensely weird 40K aesthetic. They aren't just overgrown mech suits or even super heavy combat assets - they are also walking, fighting temples to the Ad Mech's ideal of the Omnissiah. They are avatars of the Tech Cult's notion of godhead, and to the Tech Cult the 'flesh is weak' (hence the excessive cybernetics they go in for), but the Omnissiah still has uses for the humanoid form, so the bipedal, humanoid combat walker is (perversely in some ways) seen as an embodiment of divinity, and the Imperium being the Imperium, bigger is better and thus even more sacred, so the physical manifestations of the Omnissiah's will and grace have to be insanely huge. It all fits into the psychology of the Imperium, and especially the Tech Cult, as it is established in the (as already noted, deeply weird) lore of the setting.
Orks don't want the Imperium to die... They are such fun to fight!
The thing that really gets on my tits about 40k is the near complete lack of technological progression, they literally pray that important things don't break because they can't replace them. If they poured all the resources they spend on relic hunting on R&D then they'd nearly be caught up. I totally get the faction that wants humanity to end, living in that universe is hell for the 99.9999999%.
The thing is - the archiotech has such an amazing value as what they are trying to find is a Standard Template Construct (STC) which contains blueprints of things from the "Dark Age of Technology" when they actually could innovate. The cult nature of the Imperium is that their mechs believe that all knowledge exists already and to invent is heresy- so the only way something "new" can be built is if they find it, or they take existing things and glue them together (like put an existing style of gun on a different tank chassis). Hence, when they find anything - it is a huge innovation which will be spread over the entire Imperium. One example is when they found a single STC which showed how to make a cheaper better combat knife - they rewarded the guys who found it with litterally dominion of a planet. For a knife.
So, that should give you some idea of the value that a space hulk represents. The Imperium will spend treasure to get an STC.
They can still manufacture terminator suits- but the processes is amazingly expensive- so this is their most valuable mission profile.
Large green organisms floating in space 🤔 for that you need to find an Ork Rok, if you find one run.
Nah, Orks have space hulks too. You can tell when a hulk has an Ork infestation when it stop sprouting tentacles and starts sprouting ungodly amounts of guns. Sometimes they can even get the overgrown garbage lumps to go where they want to, more or less.
The Ordo Hereticus wants to know your location
the spacehulk can contain ancient treasures, since new tech almost never is developed, finding STC is a traesure with great utility and value
The only exception being cawl aka "GWs double literal deus ex machina"
I always thought the point of Space Hulks was that they were just normal ships smashed together with literal demon magic and shoved full of abominations.
The Extermanautus weaponry is usually handwoven as "it only works on planets" and it's pretty much reserved for heretics, chaos, and tyranids.
Well the Imperium can still produce Terminator armor (tactical dreadnought armor). Only the less powerfull Mk. 4 pattern and not the earlier ones and only very few forge worlds still have the abillity to do so.
40K is what happens when the Star Trek replicator breaks down and the plot line to find a new one lasts twenty seasons.
Oh but it does.
Also large tan organisms in space.
People call them bugs.
They not bugs
The Imperium can make terminator armor. The issue is that it is resource intensive and not easy to make, therefore is made rarely and in small batches.
Space Hulks are like Warp Tosheroons, and the value of materials which can be salvaged from them is tremendous - even ignoring the potential of spectacular finds.
A couple of points however:
First, the exploration of Space Hulks is not limited to Terminators, Astartes in “normal” power armour are frequently deployed in this role; the best stories often come from the most dangerous deployments and the association of Hulks and Tactical Dreadnaught armour is thus very deep.
The Astartes _are_ usually the ones required to deal with Hulks; but that’s because they’re specialists at boarding actions and close ship-to-ship combat and their reaction time is short enough to make a difference. Raising an Imperial Guard force can take decades and Hulks which hang around that long are impossibly rare.
Tactical Dreadnaught armour is not a “lost” technology, in fact it is so mundane that the tech-priests allow half-trained soldiers to maintain it. It does require specific facilities however, and these are much in demand (which limits their production and makes them rare).
I love the mention of pocket universes. Because all it reminded me of is how Necrons literally use pocket dimensions for actual pockets. I always get a kick out of just how unbelievably next level Necron technology is.
i can not wait for your full deep dive in to 40k it should be a great video .,.
Er, point of order, it is possible to make new suits of Tactical Dreadnought armor (AKA Terminator plate) it's just horrifically expensive even by the standards of massive forge worlds and so is typically reserved for fresh foundings and emergency resupply. Otherwise most chapters of marines are left to their own devices to acquire what suits they may, however they may.
Yeah, but think of all the HONOR and GLORY you can earn if you survive a Space Hulk expedition!
And you won another trip. Can you diea alredy?
Considering titans are products of the Dark Age of technology, you're idea about Titan ammo storage... YA IT MIGHT BE TRUE!
"space junk" is likely to fall into zero-g zones called Lagrange points. Wiki it. Fasciniating and an underused theatre for space adventure-ish stuff.
So, you fell into 2 common tropes about the universe one of which is actually wrong and I’ll explain them below.
At the beginning you mentioned the lasguns of the Guard as “flashlights” in the common trope. Those lasguns are actually terrifyingly powerful until you run into supersoldiers clad in inches thick powered armoured made from the same material as tank armour or Orks that can resist hilarious amounts of energy or Eldar with their holofields and reflective armour and so on. Against Tau Fire Warriors who are the nearest alien equals to a Guardsman a lasrifle will do a lot of damage, though Tau armour is built to resist their own plasma weapons. Against your average rebel or Chaos soldier who are basically on par with lower end Guard units a lasgun will tear them apart. A single hit to your shoulder will blow your arm clean off thanks to thermal expansion and the flash-boiling of the water in your cells, hotshot lasguns are even more dangerous given they have an increased output.
Also, you fall into the common trope of thinking that Exterminatus is common thanks to the memes. It isn’t, to the contrary, Exterminatus is reserved solely for worlds that cannot be recovered or would otherwise be useless once recovered. For example; a world that gets taken into a Warp rift may come back as a Daemon world and thus be impossible to reclaim, some Daemon worlds are rendered immune to Exterminatus through Warp fuckery but those that aren’t cannot be reclaimed and may provide a base for Chaos to terrorise the local sector. At that point the world may be rendered uninhabitable through several means from just bombing it from orbit until the crust turns to dust to dropping a super-virus onto the planet that kills all life off in days then burn the atmosphere or even just breaking the damn thing in half. Similarly, a world infested by the Tyranids beyond a certain point is certain to be lost and will just be left a barren ball of rock once the swarm is done so it is often worth destroying the planet so the Tyranids cannot use it to replenish their numbers.
A planet that rebels on the other hand is worth reclaiming. The Severan Dominate for example; has spend decades or perhaps centuries after rebelling to fight a continuous war against Imperial forces with its own ships and armies to guard its worlds with the benefit that the Imperium is too busy elsewhere to properly swat them. Even still each of their worlds is fiercely fought for at massive cost on both sides with neither side having resorted to Exterminatus. The world of Krieg rebelled during the Horus Heresy and spent 300 years locked in a civil war that practically destroyed the planet but after contact was reestablished has become the source for some of the Imperiums most loyal troops and its most effective siege units.
It is actually the case that the Inquisitor or Space Marine Chapter Master or sufficiently high-ranking Imperial Guard officer (usually a Sector commander) or sufficiently high-ranking Admiral (something like a Lord-High Admiral commanding an entire Sector fleet) can give the order and they are brought up to answer for why they gave it. It is taken so seriously that even a Lord-Inquisitor who is normally above all oversight will be brought before a Conclave of other Inquisitors to answer for having given the decree to damn an entire world and if they fail to provide a compelling enough reason they are executed. Sure, there was that one Inquisitor or group of them who whilst chasing a ship of potentially Chaos tainted refugees destroyed 12 heavily populated worlds that they had stopped at but he was executed for doing so.
There is a ordos of inquisitor dedicated to investigating whether a exterminartus is justified. If you call one you better be damn sure your right
@@shadowlord1418 agreed. They want a reason every single time. I lured tyranids to tombworlds then blasted the shit out of it with the exterminatus and just a day later one of them came to me and asked me personally. I told him the world got almost taken over by tyranids before the necrons put an end to it and I decided to use the opportunity. And then he demanded proof. I told him to go find the evidence if he wants any.
Krieg's civil war lasted 500 years. After it was nuked to fucking hell and back.
@@sethgilcrist8088 True, reinforces my point though
@@aliboy357 the Imperium of Man thought Krieg had wipes it's self out. Extermenatus by nuclear fire was krieg's fate.
By the God Emperor glorious light Krieg was ordered to fire hundreds of nukes on its self. And not just regular nukes dark ages nukes dirty dark age nukes.
The fact that any thing still grows on Krieg is a minor miracle. It's classified as a death world for a reason.
They don't just recover individual items of tech from spacehulks. On a number of occasions, whole ships (which can measure in the tens of kilometers in length) have been recovered, cleaned out, repaired, and returned to service, sometimes millennia after being lost.
Well it's now my headcanons that Imperator Titans pull their ammo out of the warp.
It's the only explanation that makes sense.
I guess space hulks can be considered 'green', if only by the amount of orks on them...
the benefit of 40k is that there are "live" and very much active gods while the universe itself bends to the wills (and more importantly FEARS) of it's inhabitants.
thus space hulk? yeah, that's dumb it could NEVER be a threat.
but what if it was. . . ..
*Everything* is big enough to have its own gravitational field. ;)
Aside from that, junk floating in water is attracted by increased surface tension between two objects, because water is very very sticky. (the only reason we don't notice is because we need water so it doesn't feel weird to most people. I for one hate the feeling of water on my skin.) In space, small objects are attracted by electrostatic charges, and big objects are attracted by gravity.
Fun fact about terminator armor it’s actually a space suit from the dark age of technology. It’s not even considered armor back in the day
There is something called centurion suits, basically "lite" versions of terminator armor that *can* be made by the Imperium, also fun fact the first version of terminator armor were basically hazmat space-suits from the "golden age".
Just stumbled upon your channel, and two random videos in I'm a fan.
We're all kinds of random here.
Oddly enough, the usual Space Hulks floating out there in the 40k universe tend to be populated by large green fungus organisms... Da Orks.
Or Genestealers.
Or Chaos Space Marines.
Or weird xeno species.
Probably all at the same time.
They're the party buses of the Warp. _Cue Six flags music._
Ork Space Hulk leaves the warp*
Terminators board to find stuff*
Terminator walks in on a bunch of Orks just rokin out to sum toons wit flashin lights n havin a hella gud tim
Terminator slowly closes door*
“Lets pass in this one,” he says with muffled music in the background.
In the titans defence most of them mount energy weapons with few exceptions. Granted, one of those exceptions is called the "Left Hand of Darkness" in "Low Gothic" and it fires the concentrated pain of three captive psykers.
In water; water likes touching water. It doesn’t like touching not water. So as things flow and randomly collide the water keeps them together by surface tension of sort. In space it’s just microgravity.
The intro is such a perfect description of 40k
Exterminatus has been used by the Inquisition to destroy a bunch of Imperial Worlds, to redirect a Tyranid fleet towards Ork infested planets, so they'd fight and weaken each other. However, the plan backfired.
This may be mentioned below however I only have 1.98 femtoseconds dedicated to this response format.
Most titan weapons are energy cannons. The only things that aren't are like the Vulcan Megabolters (the twin rotary cannon mount) stubbers (which are generally speaking infantry weapons), battle cannons (who have massive ammo hoppers mounted on them) Shieldbreaker Missiles (which come in mountings of 2), and Stormspear rocket pods. Furthermore, the Indomitus pattern of terminator armor can be reproduced by the Imperium now.
for the record, as a fan of warhammer lore, I think every rant I have heard you go into about 40k is mighty damn accurate.
they kinda can make terminator armor but it's a difficult procedure shrouded behind a lot of supersitition and ritual.
The Mechanicus would definately be interested in these space hulks. Lots of new toasters for brides. :D
To be fair sometimes they use a cyclonic torpedo ( the device used to enforce exterminatus ) on space hulks.
If there are any green ones, the Imperium has probably taken extra care to reference that part in their delightful naming convention.
So instead of the SPAWN OF DAMNATION, I assume a green space hulk would be named the VERDANT HERESY?
My biggest gripe with 40k has always been that space marines can't fit through doors. They're like 10ft tall.
It’s not all that easy to turn around in terminator armour when down a corridor especially with some of the weapons strapped to the arms. You can quite easily get overrun if you don’t watch your back.
The imperium can create new terminators, but they are expensive as hell
I'm just waiting till SCS starts poking at the Necron breakfast ships... or the Dear god wtf is that of the Abattoir
I have a name for you that might make your day, Star Citizen. You seem like you'd like the Connie.
I am more worried by the length of the loin clothes @8:00 especially the emperors. Poor sore ladies,
I believe the Sisters of Battle are likewise... upscaled.
They look like a large creature ate a bunch of starships, digested the organic contents out of those ships, then pooped out the inedible parts.
they actually can still make Terminator armor, it just takes a few years per suit and is stupid expensive.
Gotta love the Imperium of Man
What happens when he finds out that the Mechanicus blew up a solar system with a single bomb.
I will say the impirum can and often does make new sets of terminator armor. It's just expensive and reserved for each space marine chapter's elite squads.
Originally I did not get into 40K because of the financial barrier to entry. Then I met some of the people who played, and a few of them were astoundingly toxic about "approved paint colors and patterns" and their lore purism, and realized that if I did play, I would eventually be across the table from that kind of person, and stayed in my D&D clique.
GW's worst enemy is GW.
I think the actual marvel hulk, if he happened to be launched into 40k, would definetely be venerated and worshipped by the orks.
he is big and green and angry and strong. and the angrier he gets, the bigger and stronger and greener he gets.
the orks would treat him as a demy god.. although this might be a very questionable honor to him, because they'd want him as angry as possible all the time.