Earned a new sub with this one. Your entire channel is pure gold. I’ve been searching for a clean 993 coupe for over 6 months now. But I’ve kept to over-inflated auction houses and pca/rennlist classifieds. I will reach out to my local community to see if I can pry one out of the hands of a loving owner 😂
I acquired my 1978 911 SC Targa for free! Unfortunately, it was due to a friend who became ill, and his son gave me the car before moving him out of state. He asked me if I wanted it, and I rented a trailer and picked it up in Las Vegas that weekend.
When you have that long term owner interested in selling, be decisive, don’t nickel and dime them and don’t criticise any mods etc that you can easily change.
I bought a 1987 911 g50 in April of 2020 in Oakland California off Craigslist!!!!! The car had 176k miles. Full engine rebuild, high lift cams, Steve wong chip dansk exhaust, fab speed cat bypass with original paint, interior and Fuchs wheels. Found the car on Craigslist and paid $31k. Haven’t had an issue yet. Drove from San Diego to Chicago without a hick up!!! Couldn’t be happier!!! Craigslist did me good!!! The seller called me a few months ago asking if I would sell it back to him. I said no way too in love!!!
I found my 993 with 74k miles in early 2020 (pre-pan) at a consignment lot in Newport Beach. I paid under $50k for it. It had a couple minor accidents on the Carfax which I don’t care about because I planned to drive it and keep it. Thrilled with the car, put 5k miles on it since then.
As soon as the market hits a correction - will happen sooner then we think - all car prices will dump including the vaulted air-cooled 911. Happens all the time, nothing goes up forever.
Will - let me know if you have any leads on any nice air cooled 911 coupes. Looking for a unique one to add to my collection. We don’t have a ton up here in Wisconsin. Thanks.
Yes, my buddy just sent me that. I need to go look more closely but I feel like the car got ripped up in the comments which never helps the value. These have been going for more so someone either just got lucky and got a good price or I’m guessing they’ll end up paying up in repairs snd will be into the car $-wise for market value.
Bought my 89 2 years ago from a small independent dealership in Vegas . Owned by a mechanic at the shop …….he heard me talking to the owner of the shop and volunteered he had an air cooled 89 911 cabriolet with a complete documented engine, 5 speed tranny rebuild. Also, had a new cabriolet top ……no accidents original paint interior..all work was documented and photographed and included in the purchase. $16,000 plus in parts . Owner of the shop verified the work was done in the shop after hours over a period of time. Now the down side …..after market chrome wheels and 170,000 miles on the car gave me concern . I test drove the car all around Vegas and it went flawlessly. Paid $40 k and wife drove it from Vegas to Polson Montana for a few weeks of enjoying the scenic area then home to wenatchee Washington…….mechanic told her car is meant to drive hard …… what a mistake , she hit 114 mph and over 100 mph several times. Love the car changed the wheels and went back to Fuchs ……feel very lucky on a high mileage but newly done 911. Great car very happy
Finally got my wife's grandma to sell me the family 1982 Porsche 911SC! Immaculate! Looks brand new. Driven 21,000 miles in 30 years. Family discount price of $28K, clean carfax lots of records. Car show winner!
I agree with not trying to 'cheap out' just to get a good deal you can brag about. I overpaid for my 997 C2 by about 4k, but could not be happier with this great car. I could justify the premium price as it was a 1 owner car and the guy had clearly taken great care of it. Sure, could have spent less but that can be a quite risky roll of the dice!
the 911 is the poor man's 928. the 928 won two Bonneville Salt Flats fasted production land car (1986 and 2020). the 928 is the only sports car to win European Car of the Year. the 928 is the biggest bang for the buck in exotic sports/poster cars as well as the entire Porsche classic car line up. Even Magnus Walker is quietly building his 928 collection. the 964 is 40/60 weighth distribution and fish tails - not the 50/50 weight distrubted 928. While a grand tourer, the mid/high torque 928 is a more complete car as the 911 doesn't has less horsepower than the 928 and even today, classic porsche enthusiasts do not value off the line speed even for the 911. and Porsche made a tenth of 928s than they made 911s. No disrepect - just calling balls and strikes. Its now or never for the 928.
I bought my 997.2 on ebay, it wasn't on an auction but was listed for sale. I searched for sellers that are local to me and found one I liked about 50 miles away from me..We agreed to meet up and I got a killer deal! Just to let you know ebay has cars listed for sales and not just for auctions.
Grateful for this video! I am starting my Porsche journey right here on this comment section, and here is why. When I got my first classic mercedes two years ago, I commented on a video of a fellow owner here in youtube, and that developed in having a great group of mercedes friends here in LA, so I am doing now the same, with Porsche :). I am planing to buy a 911 in the next year, so I am starting to get knowledgeable. Hopefully I find more Porsche friends here in LA! thanks for the video!
I’ve found both of my cars via PCA classifieds. In both cases, owners were enthusiasts. Like you, have kept in touch with both of them. Like everything else, these quality relationships will lead you to other high quality leads. The other side of dealing with enthusiasts is they may think their car is worth more than it’s worth depending upon what they have done with the car.
Would ad a #6 Your local Classic Porsche shop. They will usually have listings from their customers in the lobby area. Generally, these cars have been worked on by the mechanics at that shop.
I really wish I had the capital to buy a 911 about 10 years ago. I had the chance to buy a 79' with 70k miles on it slightly modified for like 21 grand. No rust no issues well sorted. Some of these I see esp on Hemmings are just insane. They are rust buckets and some don't even have a motor and trans and are selling for 40k
A word of caution about Bringatrailer...while you can certainly find some unique cars on that site, be prepared to pay a huge premium for them. Over the last few months I have seen what appear to be more uneducated buyers stepping in to buy not only air cooled but water cooled 911s for what appears to be more of an investment than love of the cars. With that, bidding wars are quite common and cars will get bid up 20-40% over what their true value is. In addition, there is a cadre of "cheerleaders" that spend a great deal of time posting overly exuberant comments that can prompt uneducated buyers to spend more than they ordinarily would to purchase a car. With these auctions, they typically last 7 days, and while most sellers are responsive to questions, buyers just do not have enough time to do what would otherwise be proper due diligence (like a PPI) before the auction ends...so you are what can be a significant risk buying on BaT or PCM. Lastly, dealers (and some private sellers) will use auction results to justify the prices they are asking for the car(s) they are selling. Do your homework and make sure you are not overpaying because a seller is using an auction where a car was bid up to a significant premium over what the current market actually is.
Great video Will - well thought out, good information and well conveyed (+ great B roll footage). To respond to your prompt - I don’t think air cooled prices will come down any time soon - as time has gone on, these cars have become more widely understood and appreciated. I fully agree that an independent Porsche mechanic is the best source to find a car for sale or future sale. My mechanic has hundreds of Porsche clients, he knows his clients and - of great value - he knows the cars (the good and the bad). I had a great experience buying my ‘90 964 through PCA classifieds. In 2010, when I bought the car, the market was not as hot as it is today. I investigated several cars before deciding on the one I purchased. All of the owners and I spoke the same language (Porsche) - it was a wholly positive experience. I offered the owner of the car I bought the price he asked - it was a fair price for the (well maintained) car and he was very responsive in answering my questions and forwarding copies of maintenance receipts. Buying a Porsche is no cheap venture. For that kind of an investment, I’m more interested in paying what a car is worth and buying a well maintained / loved car, than I am in bargain hunting for a car that someone doesn’t understand or hasn’t maintained with love & respect.
Will, I agree nearly 100% with your prioritized list. I would only add, to reinforce your point, if you want access to the best cared for 911's where you will have access to all, or nearly all, of its history, you need to develop relationships with other owners and local air-cooled 911 mechanics. I have found (unfortunately after I bought my SC) that my local PCA chapter get-togethers and my local mechanic are excellent sources for some great cars. When/if I buy my next air cooled 911, this is the route I will go. There is nearly no substitute for the value of other Pcar enthusiasts and accessing their network of other air cooled 911 owners. Get out of the house, off the computer and get to know other people! Great episode and tips Will. Keep up the great work!
Exactly. The problem is that approach requires patience and with “air cooled fever” on the rise many guys want what they want now and between inexperience and making mistakes trusting sellers they shouldn’t guys learn the hard way. Has happened to the best of us, though.
@@Rennthusiast Very true, patience is required. I think I have learned that lesson too, though it's tough, but you need to let the right 911 find you. Much easier said than done!
You mentioned dealers, but only aftermarket. Porsche dealers also sell classics and some even have a classic section within the dealership. Obviously, they charge more but they are Porsche classic certified.
I bought mine of a private flipper who also owns a dealership and modifies cars for a living. I obviously paid way too much for my 88' Porsche 964 (yes, October 1988, one of the very very first ones) because it had A LOT of obvious faults and flaws and I ended up finding out that the engine needs to be rebuilt, which the previous owner either wasn't aware of, or probably more so hid it from me... I got scammed, and payed WAY too much but I still love this thing and wouldn't want to live without it, even though I didn't even got the chance to properly drive it since my purchase in October 2022. I document my journey with it on my channel if anybody wants to hop by and find out more about it. Greetings from Luxembourg, Alex
I did score a 1974 2.7 Targa beauty, well driven and winterized for 33 years here in Toronto! Very grateful and will bequeath this to my sons in another 30 years 🙏🏻🇨🇦
How many of you use their classic Porsche as a daily driver? I am a 996 enthusiast and know its well documented history and have the urge to buy one. Their isn't room at our home for three cars so the one that I might buy will be my only car.
I am looking primarily in PCA and agree that the sellers know the values. Big question: how are you all valuing? NADA, etc? Any and all answers appreciated.
For me it's not complicated - I'm also Obsessed - I know I will continue to do 'questionable things' - I've had no regrets - you can't make me stop ; P Great channel - keep it up .
With the advent of higher prices we have entered into what I call the ‘Duesenberg’ phase where the curation aspect becomes a more salient factor in how these cars are traded, driven and maintained. For better or worse, and I happen to think for the better, it will require more long term investment and commitment on an owners part to enjoy one of these automobiles. Upgrades will occur more often and in ten years it will be hard to find many beater versions but the extant examples will still be daily drivers albeit expensive ones and the focus will shift to conserving as many as possible for the future.
On the fence for a 993 cab! In a 2001 986, so would be a big step up. Happy to Pm the details (I think it may be a great deal). It’s my first air cooled so not as familiar, but it does seem like it would be a worthy upgrade
Awesome information Sir ! I know of the Porsche brand but never had the privilege to buy one yet. With you clear information i feel more confidence so when the time comes to get my hands on my first 911 !! thanks again for the information 👍 ps i been following some of you videos and i think you are doing a great Job !!👍
I’m helping a friend sell a 993 Cabriolet in Iris Blue over Grey, manual (new top, new clutch, new alternator, Bilstein coilovers, fister exhaust) $62k. So far, the forums have drummed up the most interest.
Are you local to NC? I’m in the Triangle area and have recently started searching for an air cooled 911/912. Wondering if you might know of a good place to search particularly for a fellow person in NC. Thanks!
Too much of a deal. Be careful. Too cheap = problems. I’m not a cab guy. Also, in my experience, when I have compromised (cab when I wanted a coupe, PDK when I really wanted manual) I ended up regretting and selling then I was back at square 1.
You must be around Charlotte - I see a lot of little Switzerland the 226A my favorite road! If you are would you share the name of the Indy shop you use? Thanks and really enjoy your videos.
Bought and sold air cooled 911s on ebay without issue. Ebay is one of the least scammy with the free insurance you get on the purchase ( up to 100k if the car isnt what as described to you). Your friend going through the ebay process but then buying it outside of ebay is really a bad idea since you lose out on that free insurance.
Hey Will- nice video as usual. Curious as to why you are eyeing yet another air cooled… you have the trifecta already. Maybe it’s time for a 986 Boxster S. They are an absolute blast to drive - Coming from a former owner and current 89 3.2 custodian.
If I had to buy or sell tomorrow I think I would use the PCA classifieds to find a home for a car that I love. Or word of mouth through other Porsche guys and mechanics. You made no mention of local classifieds or Craigslist. Not saying I would ever use them but would like to know your thoughts.
I see interesting listings from time to time on FB marketplace. I have no experience with seeing anything intriguing on Craigslist but then again I really haven’t actively looked there. Yes, I have searched there intermittently when I was in the market but all I came across were Boxster wheels snd maybe the one off high mileage 996 and 997. That doesn’t mean there aren’t good cars on CL. I just haven’t found one there.
Hi Will, I picked up 993 original owner car for a great deal. 45000 miles all original no accidents or rust the only issue I have is it has the tiptronic trans. I am not sure what the car is worth but would guess between 55-65 I am interested if I could sell this one and pick up a 6 speed without dumping much more money into a 6 speed purchase
Hi Rick - I’m not sure you’ll be able to sell a tiptronic for that price range. In terms of desirability and therefore price, I think a 6-speed would be an upgrade.
PCA has a test drive membership that will allow you to communicate with sellers on their classifieds page. Not sure if that would get you into events but I would be shocked if you weren’t allowed to attend and network with an eye toward eventually purchasing. They are interested in expanding their membership so I don’t see them excluding you.
Yes I have heard some as well since posting this video. It’s too bad. In my opinion they have a ton of potential…but that can go away when the brand reputation isn’t good.
What you need to know is don't buy one. The 911 is the poor man's 928. Sorry - I gotta call balls and strikes. the 928 was European "Car" of the Year 1979. No other sports car including the 911 has ever won "Car" of the year. The 928 has won 2 production car land speed record at Bonneville (1986 and 2020) - the 911 has exactly won none. Even 911 enthusiast Magnus Walker has started his 928 collection - its Now or Never for the 928 still the biggest bang for the buck in classic Porsches. Singer/RWB/RUF could easily reimagine 928s - its just a matter of time before someone specializes in customizing and outlawing 928s - There is no substitute.
Seriously...this video took 21 minutes only to get to "word of mouth" as the super place to buy a Porsche - are you kidding, this is like watching a captain obvious commercials. I like the guy...but wow, could have summed up this entire video in about 3 minutes.
I hear you, but I think the value of this video might be for the newer air cooled buyers who may be tempted to jump quickly on a dealer or who are just weighing different options for sourcing one of these cars. I’m urging them to play the long game. Thanks for commenting.
Great video Will, super informative as usual. I bought my 993 from a local PCA member and it worked out perfectly. Yes I probably paid slightly over the odds in some peoples opinion but I got a car with a great back story from a gentleman who’s entire family have owned and still do own 911’s, that made my buying experience all the more enjoyable.
Some may disagree, but I think it’s worth paying even slightly over market for the type of car you own. Paying up for peace of mind and the “positive vibes” of owning a well loved example and knowing the story vs paying fair market for a car without knowing the history and finding nasty surprises? It’s a no-brainer for me.
@@Rennthusiast I 100% agree, I would have paid another $10K more (shhh don’t tell anyone) I’m really enjoying getting to know both my 993 and the Porsche community at the same time. My advice to anyone is go slow on the mods until you’ve spent a few months behind the wheel.
@@Rennthusiast My car came with the M030 Euro suspension option which runs front and rear H&R coil over shocks and springs. I wonder what the difference is between that and the Bilstein’s ?
Earned a new sub with this one. Your entire channel is pure gold. I’ve been searching for a clean 993 coupe for over 6 months now. But I’ve kept to over-inflated auction houses and pca/rennlist classifieds. I will reach out to my local community to see if I can pry one out of the hands of a loving owner 😂
Thank you. I work hard to make it useful to people such as yourself. Glad you enjoy.
Send me an email at theRennthusiast@gmail.com as I may be able to help you.
Any luck? I’m also on the hunt and double checked this video out :)
I acquired my 1978 911 SC Targa for free! Unfortunately, it was due to a friend who became ill, and his son gave me the car before moving him out of state. He asked me if I wanted it, and I rented a trailer and picked it up in Las Vegas that weekend.
Great video! Just finalizing a deal with the best way to buy a 911 👍 1977 911s 69k perfect condition 2 owner car. Can't wait 🙌
What a great resource. Thanks so much for putting this together.
When you have that long term owner interested in selling, be decisive, don’t nickel and dime them and don’t criticise any mods etc that you can easily change.
I bought a 1987 911 g50 in April of 2020 in Oakland California off Craigslist!!!!! The car had 176k miles. Full engine rebuild, high lift cams, Steve wong chip dansk exhaust, fab speed cat bypass with original paint, interior and Fuchs wheels. Found the car on Craigslist and paid $31k. Haven’t had an issue yet. Drove from San Diego to Chicago without a hick up!!! Couldn’t be happier!!! Craigslist did me good!!! The seller called me a few months ago asking if I would sell it back to him. I said no way too in love!!!
I'm in Chicago. Any chance you're selling?
I found my 993 with 74k miles in early 2020 (pre-pan) at a consignment lot in Newport Beach. I paid under $50k for it. It had a couple minor accidents on the Carfax which I don’t care about because I planned to drive it and keep it. Thrilled with the car, put 5k miles on it since then.
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Im really obsessed with the G series/ Old model 911 and the aston martin DB5 . Right now im looking for the downsides and upsides of vintage cars
the auction sites usually hit the buyer with a 5% fee which is worth mentioning.
Great video! Really enjoy all of your videos and your perspectives. I'm also on the hunt, so this one really hit home. Keep 'em coming!
option #1A is to be your neighbor as often as you trade cars lol. Just kidding, my friends always take and over/under on how long I will own a car.
Thanks for sharing, great content
Wait a few years - This car "bubble" is about to pop.
This didn’t age well
@@rockysahota1 It aged VERY well if I do say so myself. PoP!
I agree 100% man
What's the cost of a good ceramic total coat for a 993 cab?
Convince me that air cooled Porsche prices will come down. Go!
They will come down when only electric autonomous vehicles are legally allowed to operate on public roads.
As soon as the market hits a correction - will happen sooner then we think - all car prices will dump including the vaulted air-cooled 911. Happens all the time, nothing goes up forever.
@@austinjpark1 actually all things increase in price over time. There may be corrections from time to time but over the long haul prices increase.
Will - let me know if you have any leads on any nice air cooled 911 coupes. Looking for a unique one to add to my collection. We don’t have a ton up here in Wisconsin. Thanks.
Send me an email at therennthusiast@gmail.com
Anyone know the color of that beautiful plumb Porsche @0:05?
Cobalt blue metallic
@@Rennthusiast Thank you, Will! But man, that looks more plumb to me than blue.
I’m in NJ. Where is a place where I can start looking for air cooled Porsche 911
There are many ideas in the video. Thanks.
Boomer 964 just did $63013
Yes, my buddy just sent me that. I need to go look more closely but I feel like the car got ripped up in the comments which never helps the value. These have been going for more so someone either just got lucky and got a good price or I’m guessing they’ll end up paying up in repairs snd will be into the car $-wise for market value.
Bought my 89 2 years ago from a small independent dealership in Vegas . Owned by a mechanic at the shop …….he heard me talking to the owner of the shop and volunteered he had an air cooled 89 911 cabriolet with a complete documented engine, 5 speed tranny rebuild. Also, had a new cabriolet top ……no accidents original paint interior..all work was documented and photographed and included in the purchase. $16,000 plus in parts . Owner of the shop verified the work was done in the shop after hours over a period of time. Now the down side …..after market chrome wheels and 170,000 miles on the car gave me concern . I test drove the car all around Vegas and it went flawlessly. Paid $40 k and wife drove it from Vegas to Polson Montana for a few weeks of enjoying the scenic area then home to wenatchee Washington…….mechanic told her car is meant to drive hard …… what a mistake , she hit 114 mph and over 100 mph several times. Love the car changed the wheels and went back to Fuchs ……feel very lucky on a high mileage but newly done 911. Great car very happy
Finally got my wife's grandma to sell me the family 1982 Porsche 911SC! Immaculate! Looks brand new. Driven 21,000 miles in 30 years. Family discount price of $28K, clean carfax lots of records. Car show winner!
I agree with not trying to 'cheap out' just to get a good deal you can brag about. I overpaid for my 997 C2 by about 4k, but could not be happier with this great car. I could justify the premium price as it was a 1 owner car and the guy had clearly taken great care of it. Sure, could have spent less but that can be a quite risky roll of the dice!
For me very dollar I can save I can use on parts. And I know I will need them.
the 911 is the poor man's 928. the 928 won two Bonneville Salt Flats fasted production land car (1986 and 2020). the 928 is the only sports car to win European Car of the Year. the 928 is the biggest bang for the buck in exotic sports/poster cars as well as the entire Porsche classic car line up. Even Magnus Walker is quietly building his 928 collection. the 964 is 40/60 weighth distribution and fish tails - not the 50/50 weight distrubted 928. While a grand tourer, the mid/high torque 928 is a more complete car as the 911 doesn't has less horsepower than the 928 and even today, classic porsche enthusiasts do not value off the line speed even for the 911. and Porsche made a tenth of 928s than they made 911s. No disrepect - just calling balls and strikes. Its now or never for the 928.
You make a good case.
I bought my 997.2 on ebay, it wasn't on an auction but was listed for sale. I searched for sellers that are local to me and found one I liked about 50 miles away from me..We agreed to meet up and I got a killer deal! Just to let you know ebay has cars listed for sales and not just for auctions.
Great video, couldn’t agree more with your ranking. Not sure how I missed this video (I normally don’t miss them). Keep them coming. 👍
Grateful for this video! I am starting my Porsche journey right here on this comment section, and here is why. When I got my first classic mercedes two years ago, I commented on a video of a fellow owner here in youtube, and that developed in having a great group of mercedes friends here in LA, so I am doing now the same, with Porsche :). I am planing to buy a 911 in the next year, so I am starting to get knowledgeable. Hopefully I find more Porsche friends here in LA! thanks for the video!
I’ve found both of my cars via PCA classifieds. In both cases, owners were enthusiasts. Like you, have kept in touch with both of them. Like everything else, these quality relationships will lead you to other high quality leads. The other side of dealing with enthusiasts is they may think their car is worth more than it’s worth depending upon what they have done with the car.
Agree on all points
Another great video. Excellent insight and thank you for sharing.
Would ad a #6
Your local Classic Porsche shop. They will usually have listings from their customers in the lobby area. Generally, these cars have been worked on by the mechanics at that shop.
Can u guys also shift from left wheel drive to right weel drive (i mean steering)
I really wish I had the capital to buy a 911 about 10 years ago. I had the chance to buy a 79' with 70k miles on it slightly modified for like 21 grand. No rust no issues well sorted. Some of these I see esp on Hemmings are just insane. They are rust buckets and some don't even have a motor and trans and are selling for 40k
A word of caution about Bringatrailer...while you can certainly find some unique cars on that site, be prepared to pay a huge premium for them. Over the last few months I have seen what appear to be more uneducated buyers stepping in to buy not only air cooled but water cooled 911s for what appears to be more of an investment than love of the cars. With that, bidding wars are quite common and cars will get bid up 20-40% over what their true value is. In addition, there is a cadre of "cheerleaders" that spend a great deal of time posting overly exuberant comments that can prompt uneducated buyers to spend more than they ordinarily would to purchase a car. With these auctions, they typically last 7 days, and while most sellers are responsive to questions, buyers just do not have enough time to do what would otherwise be proper due diligence (like a PPI) before the auction ends...so you are what can be a significant risk buying on BaT or PCM.
Lastly, dealers (and some private sellers) will use auction results to justify the prices they are asking for the car(s) they are selling. Do your homework and make sure you are not overpaying because a seller is using an auction where a car was bid up to a significant premium over what the current market actually is.
I couldn’t agree more with your entire comment. Well said.
Great video Will - well thought out, good information and well conveyed (+ great B roll footage). To respond to your prompt - I don’t think air cooled prices will come down any time soon - as time has gone on, these cars have become more widely understood and appreciated.
I fully agree that an independent Porsche mechanic is the best source to find a car for sale or future sale. My mechanic has hundreds of Porsche clients, he knows his clients and - of great value - he knows the cars (the good and the bad).
I had a great experience buying my ‘90 964 through PCA classifieds. In 2010, when I bought the car, the market was not as hot as it is today. I investigated several cars before deciding on the one I purchased. All of the owners and I spoke the same language (Porsche) - it was a wholly positive experience. I offered the owner of the car I bought the price he asked - it was a fair price for the (well maintained) car and he was very responsive in answering my questions and forwarding copies of maintenance receipts.
Buying a Porsche is no cheap venture. For that kind of an investment, I’m more interested in paying what a car is worth and buying a well maintained / loved car, than I am in bargain hunting for a car that someone doesn’t understand or hasn’t maintained with love & respect.
Will, I agree nearly 100% with your prioritized list. I would only add, to reinforce your point, if you want access to the best cared for 911's where you will have access to all, or nearly all, of its history, you need to develop relationships with other owners and local air-cooled 911 mechanics. I have found (unfortunately after I bought my SC) that my local PCA chapter get-togethers and my local mechanic are excellent sources for some great cars. When/if I buy my next air cooled 911, this is the route I will go. There is nearly no substitute for the value of other Pcar enthusiasts and accessing their network of other air cooled 911 owners. Get out of the house, off the computer and get to know other people! Great episode and tips Will. Keep up the great work!
Exactly. The problem is that approach requires patience and with “air cooled fever” on the rise many guys want what they want now and between inexperience and making mistakes trusting sellers they shouldn’t guys learn the hard way. Has happened to the best of us, though.
@@Rennthusiast Very true, patience is required. I think I have learned that lesson too, though it's tough, but you need to let the right 911 find you. Much easier said than done!
You mentioned dealers, but only aftermarket. Porsche dealers also sell classics and some even have a classic section within the dealership. Obviously, they charge more but they are Porsche classic certified.
I bought mine of a private flipper who also owns a dealership and modifies cars for a living. I obviously paid way too much for my 88' Porsche 964 (yes, October 1988, one of the very very first ones) because it had A LOT of obvious faults and flaws and I ended up finding out that the engine needs to be rebuilt, which the previous owner either wasn't aware of, or probably more so hid it from me... I got scammed, and payed WAY too much but I still love this thing and wouldn't want to live without it, even though I didn't even got the chance to properly drive it since my purchase in October 2022. I document my journey with it on my channel if anybody wants to hop by and find out more about it.
Greetings from Luxembourg,
Alex
That’s happened to me before. Let’s hope karma takes care of people like that.
Another great vid Will 👌🏻I love my 997.2 Targa4S but you always get me thinking…
Join us…come to the dark side….😆
@@Rennthusiast haha, it’s entirely within the realm of possible…
I did score a 1974 2.7 Targa beauty, well driven and winterized for 33 years here in Toronto! Very grateful and will bequeath this to my sons in another 30 years 🙏🏻🇨🇦
I bought a 2009. 911 c4s ,@ Bring A Trailer ,43000.miles so far this is amazing experience 👽👽👽👽👽
How many of you use their classic Porsche as a daily driver? I am a 996 enthusiast and know its well documented history and have the urge to buy one. Their isn't room at our home for three cars so the one that I might buy will be my only car.
I am looking primarily in PCA and agree that the sellers know the values.
Big question: how are you all valuing? NADA, etc?
Any and all answers appreciated.
For me it's not complicated - I'm also Obsessed - I know I will continue to do 'questionable things' - I've had no regrets - you can't make me stop ; P Great channel - keep it up .
With the advent of higher prices we have entered into what I call the ‘Duesenberg’ phase where the curation aspect becomes a more salient factor in how these cars are traded, driven and maintained. For better or worse, and I happen to think for the better, it will require more long term investment and commitment on an owners part to enjoy one of these automobiles. Upgrades will occur more often and in ten years it will be hard to find many beater versions but the extant examples will still be daily drivers albeit expensive ones and the focus will shift to conserving as many as possible for the future.
Looking for 1967 911 for a daily driver
I’m in the ne us .
Nice video. One source that worked well for me...Your insurance agent. All the best.
On the fence for a 993 cab! In a 2001 986, so would be a big step up. Happy to Pm the details (I think it may be a great deal). It’s my first air cooled so not as familiar, but it does seem like it would be a worthy upgrade
That's it I'm pulling the trigger and finding an air-cooled 911.
Awesome information Sir ! I know of the Porsche brand but never had the privilege to buy one yet. With you clear information i feel more confidence so when the time comes to get my hands on my first 911 !! thanks again for the information 👍 ps i been following some of you videos and i think you are doing a great Job !!👍
Thanks for the info: still looking for a 993 guess I should sale my 991.2..
I’m helping a friend sell a 993 Cabriolet in Iris Blue over Grey, manual (new top, new clutch, new alternator, Bilstein coilovers, fister exhaust) $62k. So far, the forums have drummed up the most interest.
If that were a coupe it would be $80,000+ depending on mileage and condition. The colors bring the money.
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Are you local to NC? I’m in the Triangle area and have recently started searching for an air cooled 911/912. Wondering if you might know of a good place to search particularly for a fellow person in NC. Thanks!
Pls message me at therennthusiast@gmail.com
Will, thanks for the video, as always. Good stuff. Are you able to share contact info for the locators you referred to either here or by email?
GREAT INFO
I found a 1992 Carrera 2 cabriolet in fair condition for 15k. Seems like a deal, didn't really want a convertible though. Any thoughts?
Too much of a deal. Be careful. Too cheap = problems. I’m not a cab guy.
Also, in my experience, when I have compromised (cab when I wanted a coupe, PDK when I really wanted manual) I ended up regretting and selling then I was back at square 1.
You must be around Charlotte - I see a lot of little Switzerland the 226A my favorite road! If you are would you share the name of the Indy shop you use? Thanks and really enjoy your videos.
C&C Euro in Greensboro.
Bought and sold air cooled 911s on ebay without issue. Ebay is one of the least scammy with the free insurance you get on the purchase ( up to 100k if the car isnt what as described to you). Your friend going through the ebay process but then buying it outside of ebay is really a bad idea since you lose out on that free insurance.
Interesting. I didn’t know about the insurance as I had never really researched it for the reasons I shared. Thanks for commenting.
Hey Will- nice video as usual. Curious as to why you are eyeing yet another air cooled… you have the trifecta already. Maybe it’s time for a 986 Boxster S. They are an absolute blast to drive - Coming from a former owner and current 89 3.2 custodian.
I guess I was perhaps a little unclear. Im definitely not in the market currently. Still sorting my 964 and am ecstatic with my 86 and 993.
If I had to buy or sell tomorrow I think I would use the PCA classifieds to find a home for a car that I love. Or word of mouth through other Porsche guys and mechanics. You made no mention of local classifieds or Craigslist. Not saying I would ever use them but would like to know your thoughts.
I see interesting listings from time to time on FB marketplace. I have no experience with seeing anything intriguing on Craigslist but then again I really haven’t actively looked there. Yes, I have searched there intermittently when I was in the market but all I came across were Boxster wheels snd maybe the one off high mileage 996 and 997.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t good cars on CL. I just haven’t found one there.
Hi Will, I picked up 993 original owner car for a great deal. 45000 miles all original no accidents or rust the only issue I have is it has the tiptronic trans. I am not sure what the car is worth but would guess between 55-65 I am interested if I could sell this one and pick up a 6 speed without dumping much more money into a 6 speed purchase
Hi Rick - I’m not sure you’ll be able to sell a tiptronic for that price range. In terms of desirability and therefore price, I think a 6-speed would be an upgrade.
Great channel, I wish I lived on the east coast so we could get together! If you ever come out to Southern California look me up!
Will do. Great air cooled scene out there.
I've reached out to local mechanics but how do you get into Porsche community without owning yourself?
PCA has a test drive membership that will allow you to communicate with sellers on their classifieds page. Not sure if that would get you into events but I would be shocked if you weren’t allowed to attend and network with an eye toward eventually purchasing. They are interested in expanding their membership so I don’t see them excluding you.
Great tip, long time watcher of your channel, my first time to comment, really enjoyed your personal insight…
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Flippers are basically owners same thing as buying from private
I don’t know. I think it’s a different type of conversation between the 2.
I have heard some not-so-desirable stories about Pcar Market.
Yes I have heard some as well since posting this video. It’s too bad. In my opinion they have a ton of potential…but that can go away when the brand reputation isn’t good.
Great video Will! Very informative.
Spot on brother
Great video!!!
What you need to know is don't buy one. The 911 is the poor man's 928. Sorry - I gotta call balls and strikes. the 928 was European "Car" of the Year 1979. No other sports car including the 911 has ever won "Car" of the year. The 928 has won 2 production car land speed record at Bonneville (1986 and 2020) - the 911 has exactly won none. Even 911 enthusiast Magnus Walker has started his 928 collection - its Now or Never for the 928 still the biggest bang for the buck in classic Porsches. Singer/RWB/RUF could easily reimagine 928s - its just a matter of time before someone specializes in customizing and outlawing 928s - There is no substitute.
Will, another great vid, keep it coming!
Thanks. We need to get that chiffon white SC on the channel. 😜
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Seriously...this video took 21 minutes only to get to "word of mouth" as the super place to buy a Porsche - are you kidding, this is like watching a captain obvious commercials. I like the guy...but wow, could have summed up this entire video in about 3 minutes.
I hear you, but I think the value of this video might be for the newer air cooled buyers who may be tempted to jump quickly on a dealer or who are just weighing different options for sourcing one of these cars. I’m urging them to play the long game. Thanks for commenting.
Great video Will, super informative as usual.
I bought my 993 from a local PCA member and it worked out perfectly.
Yes I probably paid slightly over the odds in some peoples opinion but I got a car with a great back story from a gentleman who’s entire family have owned and still do own 911’s, that made my buying experience all the more enjoyable.
Some may disagree, but I think it’s worth paying even slightly over market for the type of car you own. Paying up for peace of mind and the “positive vibes” of owning a well loved example and knowing the story vs paying fair market for a car without knowing the history and finding nasty surprises? It’s a no-brainer for me.
@@Rennthusiast I 100% agree, I would have paid another $10K more (shhh don’t tell anyone)
I’m really enjoying getting to know both my 993 and the Porsche community at the same time.
My advice to anyone is go slow on the mods until you’ve spent a few months behind the wheel.
Yep. Except the PSS10’s. I can’t believe anyone would dislike those. I HIGHLY recommend them to any 993 owner running stock suspension 😄
@@Rennthusiast My car came with the M030 Euro suspension option which runs front and rear H&R coil over shocks and springs.
I wonder what the difference is between that and the Bilstein’s ?