I'd be happier if I didnt have to have them make things right with me. Your right they send out parts no question but I have had to get replacement parts and 3rd party upgrades far too often for how much I paid for this press new.
@@desertdwellintom Especially if you bought a 650 the year before it was due to be replaced by the 750, with no warning that the primer system was junk and about to be discontinued and replaced with one that worked as it should. I've had Dillon loaders since the OG 450 in the Mid 80's and always thought their customer service was excellent. This is the first time I have felt I got stuck with a mistake.
In my opinion the Dillon 750 is one of the best presses out there. Where these add on a make it just a little bit better. The Ammo checker from Armenov is absolutely awesome! I love mine
The indexer seems like a good idea if you’re running it manually but I’d be afraid of it not breaking like the plastic ones do if something goes wrong when running an auto drive. From what I’ve been told he indexer is plastic by design as an engineered break point so more damage isn’t don’t to the press.
Got the Hornady lock and load ap which I like. I was intrested in the Dillon 750 but seems like there’s a lot of plastic and springs that are more capable of breaking. Love the videos please keep up the great work.
The runout on my 750 with Arminov toolhead is about 0.001-0.002” TIR having measured the last 200 rounds. On my Zero Press with the same dies, I was getting 0.001-0.0015”. For my shoulder dimensions, I get no difference to speak of beteeen the two presses. So practically the same. I do decapping, neck sizing, expanding, and FL sizing in different steps, so the Dillon saves me a ton of time. On my other progressive workout such a toolhead, I was getting triple the variance.
Maybe it would be good to mention that if use the free float rings on the dies it is very easy to change the caliber because you just thread the dies until locking rings contacts the toolhead and slightly loosen them to align with screw to lock them to the toolhead. That way you do not need separate toolhead for every caliber.
Okay, the Armanov Ammo checker boxes are freaking cool. I really like the price on their 10 round checker with easy transfer system. 🤯 I just wish they had a 44 mag version as well.
Thanks for this video. I’d like to see you do a precision loading video on the 750. I’m currently doing single stage sizing, using auto trickler for powder charge and seating with the infinity seater. I know some in precision sports use the 750, but I don’t see how it would appreciably speed up my process.
How do you adjust primer seating depth on the Index Cam Block? To increase depth is the adjustment screw turned clockwise or counter-clockwise? How much of a range of depth is available? Can you seat primers below flush?
Most of the upgrades they offer are nice to haves rather than required upgrades. Example, the case feeder is optional. For centerfire rifle, I don't bother to use it.
I found most of the Dillion aftermarket items for the XL650 were really unnecessary and only drained the wallet. The primer stop switch was the only exception. Case feed block is just a allen key. The rollor block is not necessary at all. Been running fine for years and 10's of thousands of loads. To each their own.
Coming from an old-ass reloader. Buy once cry once. I know I have had my XL650 for 30 years. I will be the first to say the priming system on the 650 can be a pain in the ass, but the 750 fixed that. Dillon is top-shelf and will take care of you if you need CS. That being said only you can evaluate what you can and want to spend on a press. Some of this is hard to justify when components are hard to come buy and expensive.
Why do you need to upgrade a Dillan press? I understand some upgrading a Lee press for the price. The price of a Dillan press there should be no reason to upgrade an over priced press.
Don't know about the Dillan press, but the Dillon presses are solid. I own two and they've been great. Yes, I've installed some aftermarket parts that have improved the functionality and/or convenience factor. I've also done a leveling kit and larger tires on a $50k truck. And installed a Timney trigger on a $1300 rifle. And so on. Just because upgrades/modifications exist, doesn't mean that the original product is poor or not a good value. Sometimes good products can still be made better or more suited to the user by replacing parts.
IMO none of these things are necessary, but if you make it, people will buy it. I came from the world of Lee and my Dillon blows them away even 100% stock whereas my Lee had many extras
Wish I shot enough to justify a XL750. While I enjoy single press loading for my rifle loads, I want something a little bit faster for my handgun loads. I'm thinking about either a Lyman all American 8, or a Redding T-7. I like the price of the Lyman but the complaints about the primer system on it have me leaning towards the Redding, but there is always an off press auto primer like the RCBS auto priming tool. Decisions Decisions. 🤔
I have the Lyman. Steps: size 50, prime 50 (off press), flare and seat 50. Much easier than trying to get on press priming to work on any press I have had.
Even a 550 would help you out a lot. I was pretty much in the same position you are right now. I got a decent deal on a used 550 and set it up for handgun cases. Then 9mm wasn't such a pita project. Later added .223. I still have several brands of single stage presses for oddball lots. I added a 750 a couple months before the virus panic which made short work of the thousands of empty 9mm, 45acp and 38Spl cases. Ran out of primers. That's when I discovered a nationwide freakout over a virus had wiped out reloading supplies, loaded ammo and guns. Crazy to think its been 4 years since I last used the 750. Who'd thunk it that a virus would cause a panic run on all reloading components.
This video series will be great for Dillon press owners. Dillion is the best once you get all the aftermarket replacement parts installed. Until then they are about the same just different than comparable competitors models. This shows why Dillion has completion from new players in the progressive press market. The 750 was a response to their insurance carrier to discontinue the 650 priming system. It brought nothing to the market place. As this video shows the 750 has all the operating shortcomings as the 650. How long before the aftermarket simply bypasses a Dillon press and sells their own ?
For what you have to pay for them blue presses, I wouldn't think they would need all of them upgrades. I have the Frankford X10 and I think it's got it all over those blue machines!
You don’t need almost all of these upgrades. Especially the aluminum indexing ring. The plastic index ring is made of plastic since it’s designed to break first before you break the press.
The FA X10 completely blows the Dillon away, for just $1200. I have mine in 9mm for $1200, I already had the dies. For the money, FA completely destroys Dillon and Hornady for value 1,000 days to Sunday. I paid everything in my own money, no sponsorship or even a penny.
Aren’t these upgrades from previous upgrades? I swear I’ve seen all these upgrades already from different mfg’s like unique tech and whidden for example??? I know im not seeing these being a brand new idea to the market. Just saying, breast video.
I have both the XL 650 and the xl750 there's things that definitely the 750 is a downgrade on like the priming system is better on the 650 than the 750 and they definitely need to redesign quite a few parts to make them more durable and just less Junkie the Dillon XL 650 specifically has more aftermarket upgrade options available then nearly any press on the market in the price category I definitely wouldn't use either one of them for high-volume loading of common calibers like 9mm for low volume production stuff it's not a bad little machine
You're all about selling high dollar equipment anymore Gavin. You've lost sight of the essence of shooting and sold out to the dollar. I can't remain subscribed to this.
100% agree with you. Once the dollars start coming, they lose the community connection and they don't even respond to comments anymore. Trying to sell $5k "custom" rifles and expensive gear will only help to lose subscribers.
Dillon should stop being lazy and redesign their press to make it better and instead we have to dump more money on an already expensive press to make it better. I had the 650, the priming system was utter trash, the 750 was better but basically still the same press besides the priming system from the 550. At the end I sold the 750 and got the Frankfort Arsenal X10 and its the best progressive press I’ve owned. If Dillon dont step up their game FA is gonna kill their sales. Dillon is trying to attract new sales on old technology and just want to make the $$$ without any new innovation.
I actually prefer the 650 priming system over the 750 bit agree with everything else you mentioned. It’s the same reason I’m just getting the area 419 zero press instead of the Reading T7. by the time you buy the billet tool head and the upgrades, it’s going to be pretty much the same price and I’d rather just have an engineered from the factory the way it should be
I have a friend who is just starting as one of the managers there in the near future so I’ll be trying to whisper in his ear quite a bit. Hopefully some improvements won’t be too far down the road. I think they want to get there automated system on par with the Lyman as a priority
Do you want to pay 2 to 3 times more money for a Dillon? Based on your response, I think the answer is no. Frankford Arsenal is made in China. Dillon is made in the USA lifetime warranty on all of their parts not aftermarket parts.
@@lukeclement1981 I don't. And that's why I bought the X10 instead of the Rl1100 since it costs 2.5x less. We all use products made in China on daily basis. Every single item in Walmart or sold on Amazon is made in China. If the X10 was made in the US it would cost even more then the Dillon 1100 since its more complex engineered press. And the only way you can sell something like that with a competitive price is to have it made outside the US. I still have two Dillon 550s and they work well. But the design is very outdated. Once a company makes something better at a good price I might change them.
Dillon has always made things right with me they stand behind their equipment I couldn’t be happier with them . 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I'd be happier if I didnt have to have them make things right with me. Your right they send out parts no question but I have had to get replacement parts and 3rd party upgrades far too often for how much I paid for this press new.
@@desertdwellintom Especially if you bought a 650 the year before it was due to be replaced by the 750, with no warning that the primer system was junk and about to be discontinued and replaced with one that worked as it should. I've had Dillon loaders since the OG 450 in the Mid 80's and always thought their customer service was excellent. This is the first time I have felt I got stuck with a mistake.
In my opinion the Dillon 750 is one of the best presses out there. Where these add on a make it just a little bit better. The Ammo checker from Armenov is absolutely awesome! I love mine
The indexer seems like a good idea if you’re running it manually but I’d be afraid of it not breaking like the plastic ones do if something goes wrong when running an auto drive. From what I’ve been told he indexer is plastic by design as an engineered break point so more damage isn’t don’t to the press.
Got the Hornady lock and load ap which I like. I was intrested in the Dillon 750 but seems like there’s a lot of plastic and springs that are more capable of breaking. Love the videos please keep up the great work.
Can you do some concentricity testing, the armanov floating rings vs the traditional dillon tollhead?
Please I myself would love to see the difference, 🙏🙏🙏🙏
How I get consistent ammo on my 750? I pre size my brass before I run it through, makes a huge difference.
That's what I'm doing at this point also. But Gavin likes to have measurable data so I'd be curious to see what he comes up with.
The runout on my 750 with Arminov toolhead is about 0.001-0.002” TIR having measured the last 200 rounds. On my Zero Press with the same dies, I was getting 0.001-0.0015”. For my shoulder dimensions, I get no difference to speak of beteeen the two presses. So practically the same. I do decapping, neck sizing, expanding, and FL sizing in different steps, so the Dillon saves me a ton of time.
On my other progressive workout such a toolhead, I was getting triple the variance.
Maybe it would be good to mention that if use the free float rings on the dies it is very easy to change the caliber because you just thread the dies until locking rings contacts the toolhead and slightly loosen them to align with screw to lock them to the toolhead. That way you do not need separate toolhead for every caliber.
Okay, the Armanov Ammo checker boxes are freaking cool. I really like the price on their 10 round checker with easy transfer system. 🤯 I just wish they had a 44 mag version as well.
Will the powder knob and the primer stop help increase the precision of your ammo?
It looks like some of the parts for the Powder drop will also work on the 550?
Thanks for this video. I’d like to see you do a precision loading video on the 750. I’m currently doing single stage sizing, using auto trickler for powder charge and seating with the infinity seater. I know some in precision sports use the 750, but I don’t see how it would appreciably speed up my process.
How do you adjust primer seating depth on the Index Cam Block? To increase depth is the adjustment screw turned clockwise or counter-clockwise? How much of a range of depth is available? Can you seat primers below flush?
I just threaded my Dillon tool head.
Most of the upgrades they offer are nice to haves rather than required upgrades. Example, the case feeder is optional. For centerfire rifle, I don't bother to use it.
That qd just for the powder measure or would it also work on the Dillon powder check too
What work table are you using?
Any suggestions for using h4350 or H4831SC on a xl750 ? Heard they dont meter well
Man i got my 100 dollar lee pro 1000 15 years ago
Runs great and didnt have to spend another 500 on accessories
How much did you spend extra on dies and needed parts?
I just bought a lee 6000 pro six pack for $340 and probably spent another $250+ on extras that I felt I couldn't go without.
You don’t have to spend money on Dillon accessories either, but they improve outcomes. The stock Dillon is much better than the Lee.
I found most of the Dillion aftermarket items for the XL650 were really unnecessary and only drained the wallet. The primer stop switch was the only exception. Case feed block is just a allen key. The rollor block is not necessary at all. Been running fine for years and 10's of thousands of loads. To each their own.
If ive been loading for a few years is it worth getting into progressive with the Lee Six Pack?
Coming from an old-ass reloader. Buy once cry once. I know I have had my XL650 for 30 years. I will be the first to say the priming system on the 650 can be a pain in the ass, but the 750 fixed that. Dillon is top-shelf and will take care of you if you need CS. That being said only you can evaluate what you can and want to spend on a press. Some of this is hard to justify when components are hard to come buy and expensive.
@Majja13 Well damn, the Lee gets here on Friday. If it sucks I'll sell it and get the XL750.
@@thelittledetailscr7231 Sounds like a plan. Now I do use Lee dies for a lot of my rifles and love them.
I have a 650 and is there any fixes for the powder measure slamming home and causing cases with powder in them shake and spilling powder.
Hone the shell plate, swap the index cam block. Add a thrust bearing.
Why do you need to upgrade a Dillan press? I understand some upgrading a Lee press for the price. The price of a Dillan press there should be no reason to upgrade an over priced press.
Don't know about the Dillan press, but the Dillon presses are solid. I own two and they've been great. Yes, I've installed some aftermarket parts that have improved the functionality and/or convenience factor.
I've also done a leveling kit and larger tires on a $50k truck. And installed a Timney trigger on a $1300 rifle. And so on. Just because upgrades/modifications exist, doesn't mean that the original product is poor or not a good value. Sometimes good products can still be made better or more suited to the user by replacing parts.
IMO none of these things are necessary, but if you make it, people will buy it.
I came from the world of Lee and my Dillon blows them away even 100% stock whereas my Lee had many extras
Wish I shot enough to justify a XL750. While I enjoy single press loading for my rifle loads, I want something a little bit faster for my handgun loads. I'm thinking about either a Lyman all American 8, or a Redding T-7. I like the price of the Lyman but the complaints about the primer system on it have me leaning towards the Redding, but there is always an off press auto primer like the RCBS auto priming tool. Decisions Decisions. 🤔
I have the Lyman. Steps: size 50, prime 50 (off press), flare and seat 50.
Much easier than trying to get on press priming to work on any press I have had.
Even a 550 would help you out a lot. I was pretty much in the same position you are right now. I got a decent deal on a used 550 and set it up for handgun cases. Then 9mm wasn't such a pita project. Later added .223. I still have several brands of single stage presses for oddball lots.
I added a 750 a couple months before the virus panic which made short work of the thousands of empty 9mm, 45acp and 38Spl cases. Ran out of primers. That's when I discovered a nationwide freakout over a virus had wiped out reloading supplies, loaded ammo and guns.
Crazy to think its been 4 years since I last used the 750. Who'd thunk it that a virus would cause a panic run on all reloading components.
@@jameshickok2349 I finally found a box of Large Rifle Primers at a reasonable price, but they are OEM white box NATO primers.
This video series will be great for Dillon press owners. Dillion is the best once you get all the aftermarket replacement parts installed. Until then they are about the same just different than comparable competitors models.
This shows why Dillion has completion from new players in the progressive press market. The 750 was a response to their insurance carrier to discontinue the 650 priming system. It brought nothing to the market place. As this video shows the 750 has all the operating shortcomings as the 650. How long before the aftermarket simply bypasses a Dillon press and sells their own ?
For what you have to pay for them blue presses, I wouldn't think they would need all of them upgrades. I have the Frankford X10 and I think it's got it all over those blue machines!
You don’t need almost all of these upgrades. Especially the aluminum indexing ring. The plastic index ring is made of plastic since it’s designed to break first before you break the press.
Looks like UR finally got big enough to where they make pointless ad videos for dumb products. Glad you’re probably making good money though:D
Guess who made him big enough? 😜 viewers like us lol
Pity you didn't actually show how to install the upgrades
It's funny ppl buy expensive presses made out of steel and give lee crap for using aluminum and here we have mods and upgrades made out of aluminum 😂
The FA X10 completely blows the Dillon away, for just $1200. I have mine in 9mm for $1200, I already had the dies. For the money, FA completely destroys Dillon and Hornady for value 1,000 days to Sunday. I paid everything in my own money, no sponsorship or even a penny.
Aren’t these upgrades from previous upgrades? I swear I’ve seen all these upgrades already from different mfg’s like unique tech and whidden for example??? I know im not seeing these being a brand new idea to the market. Just saying, breast video.
I have both the XL 650 and the xl750 there's things that definitely the 750 is a downgrade on like the priming system is better on the 650 than the 750 and they definitely need to redesign quite a few parts to make them more durable and just less Junkie the Dillon XL 650 specifically has more aftermarket upgrade options available then nearly any press on the market in the price category I definitely wouldn't use either one of them for high-volume loading of common calibers like 9mm for low volume production stuff it's not a bad little machine
You're all about selling high dollar equipment anymore Gavin. You've lost sight of the essence of shooting and sold out to the dollar. I can't remain subscribed to this.
100% agree with you. Once the dollars start coming, they lose the community connection and they don't even respond to comments anymore. Trying to sell $5k "custom" rifles and expensive gear will only help to lose subscribers.
@@jolebole-yt You know it friend.
It was always about the money. No different than most tubers. Get subs, get monetized, get sponsors and sit back and let the tube work for you...
Dillon should stop being lazy and redesign their press to make it better and instead we have to dump more money on an already expensive press to make it better. I had the 650, the priming system was utter trash, the 750 was better but basically still the same press besides the priming system from the 550. At the end I sold the 750 and got the Frankfort Arsenal X10 and its the best progressive press I’ve owned. If Dillon dont step up their game FA is gonna kill their sales. Dillon is trying to attract new sales on old technology and just want to make the $$$ without any new innovation.
I actually prefer the 650 priming system over the 750 bit agree with everything else you mentioned.
It’s the same reason I’m just getting the area 419 zero press instead of the Reading T7. by the time you buy the billet tool head and the upgrades, it’s going to be pretty much the same price and I’d rather just have an engineered from the factory the way it should be
I have a friend who is just starting as one of the managers there in the near future so I’ll be trying to whisper in his ear quite a bit. Hopefully some improvements won’t be too far down the road. I think they want to get there automated system on par with the Lyman as a priority
Do you want to pay 2 to 3 times more money for a Dillon? Based on your response, I think the answer is no.
Frankford Arsenal is made in China. Dillon is made in the USA lifetime warranty on all of their parts not aftermarket parts.
@@lukeclement1981 I don't. And that's why I bought the X10 instead of the Rl1100 since it costs 2.5x less. We all use products made in China on daily basis. Every single item in Walmart or sold on Amazon is made in China. If the X10 was made in the US it would cost even more then the Dillon 1100 since its more complex engineered press. And the only way you can sell something like that with a competitive price is to have it made outside the US. I still have two Dillon 550s and they work well. But the design is very outdated. Once a company makes something better at a good price I might change them.
The 650 and 750 work fine with none of these. I prefer the 650 priming system. You sound salty, because nothing about the Dillon is "trash".
Most of this stuff can be 3d printed 😂
Yeh, but my experience with 3-D plastic parts is not good. I quit buying 3D plastic. They were a hot item 5 years ago on Ebay but now....not so much.