You heard it first hand from a resident. What are your thoughts on this situation? Side note, Paul has many health issues and we spoke for nearly 30 minutes about a variety of things and he was even featured on the news. I feel fortunate to give him my time to share part of his story with us.
That guy sure was a character! Oh boy it would be a lot of fun being his neighbor. Hes probably an alright guy, but I have issues being around people that act like he was, they make me nervous and paranoid.
I agree with Paul .....I would not have moved in there if I was aware of its history . The owners "might" have thought the problem was solved when the first sinkhole was filled ....or maybe just wishful thinking . People know now ....( are they still being told the problem is solved , I wonder ?
I know it's no consolation for the people living there now but when this originally first happened I can't believe they didn't fill the mine shaft in to a certain level and then put a large thick reinforced concrete plinth on top of the mine shaft then put more material and then earth on top of that... I also can't believe that they haven't done that this time, because it is bound to happen again and people might not be so lucky next time, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they built the apartments there in the first place.
Excellent update JP. This story needed to be told. Corruption is everywhere and this could’ve turned out so much worse. 🤗. Thanks for telling the story.
Thank you so much for making this video. If it happened twice it will happen again. They should just move those people to new apartments and tear it down before a life is lost. Great video!
No, his body is just broke down, and it does not always respond the way he expects it too. He has been like this for many years, too many for him to be a meth addict. @@mikedenton25
There are numerous old shafts around the town I live by, here in central Pennsylvania. You can easily identify them, because they typically have a fence around a pile of soil, and usually the pile has a depression in it from settling. Some have a concrete cap over them. But the shaft in your video is a massive one, in comparison to the ones out here. That 1983 photo is amazing.
The worst part is the shear amount of material that has been removed from that area and the whole town. The housing authority should really reconsider this location for income based housing. But im sure they got the land cheap, since it was basically just a pile of spoils. Thanks for your coverage on this.
I wouldn't live there if I knew. When it happened the first time, the building of those apartments should have stopped. You can bet pockets were lined. As much as I hate to say it, that building should be permanently condemned. Hope a thorough top to bottom inspection was done before letting residents back in. Hope Paul gets compensated for the stuff he lost. Thanks for the update.
Thank you so much for the up-date .You did an amazing job explaining the situation and interviewing Paul . Very informative and interesting coverage . 👍💙 (So thankful no one was hurt )..
JP, outstanding coverage of the repair and history of the repeated subsidence. Hell of a job!! And no, I would never have built a residence or rented an apartment next to a 700 feet vertical main shaft to a coal mine that had previously collapsed forty years ago. You're right, who was paid off to sign off on the building permits in the 80s?? Good question for any local journalists want to explore the answers??
This was deeply disturbing given the history of what happened on exactly that spot. You're right, Jay, that building as a residence for people should never have been put there. Personally, I would not feel safe moving back in after that, especially after hearing it could happen again. You did an excellent job reporting this event & the history of the mine that operated there. This felt like investigative journalism, for which you should be paid. Seriously. Great video!💙
JP, I have had a lengthy career working in the dirt and have my share of learning from the same guys that were the innovators of how to use what they had. Whoever backfilled that hole missed a golden opportunity to install a warning device to let people know that they needed to get out of the way because it was happening again. A simple device to let them know it's happening again. My bosses father started his family owned business in 1947 with a couple of dozers and cable pull scrapers. He was also instrumental in helping bring together CON-EXPO out in Vegas. He was a real cowboy from the boots to the hat. The simplistic device I'm talking about is called a "Settlement Rod". You can make them out of just about anything. 75' deep hole, I would have used some 3/4" rebar and welded flat round disc like plate to the end. Make sure that it's fairly thick so it's not going to rot off in a couple of years. Bury that end at or near the bottom, center of the hole. Backfill around the rod, add more rod as needed to get up out of the ground. At the ground level you will need some pipe just bigger than the rod. Mount the pipe onto another flat plate with some going through the plate. The rod needs to stick up and out of the pipe. Then paint marks or put some kind of alarm on it then bingo, early warning system. If it starts to happen again, it'll start at the bottom 75' down, and pull the rod down as it goes. Nobody dies, looses the grill and they should have time to move the patio furniture.
That's awesome and potentially life-saving! I really hope you can encourage CON-EXPO to market to area authorities in Pennsylvania due to the multitude of old mines in their area. It's worth a try. Thanks!
@@dianacanales2526 CON-EXPO is a yearly construction exposition in Vegas highlighting advances in equipment and technology worldwide. It's a huge show that just boggles the mind with what's there. If your cities not sending at least an engineer to it, I don't know what to tell you. I live in an area where they tunnel mined gypsum for decades and we have had our own issues with soil subsidence. We got proactive with solutions, gypsum mines are no where near as deep as coal mines, but eventually they started setting up pumping stations at areas that were known for problems. They pumped a slurry mix of cement mixed with crushed limestone and some other things in it for a few years before they eventually got a handle on it. It wasn't until a sinkhole swallowed a RUAN truck shop one weekend that they finally did something about it.
Ty for sharing this. I shared it with one of the bigger developers here in Scr. and one of the contractors who his filling various "holes" in the Blue Mtn range.
Wonderful job reporting this JP! It was so educational and interesting. There is no way I would build a home or live in any home knowing that an underground mine subsidence had happened there at one time. How scary would that be!?! History could repeat itself once again and it was very fortunate that no one was hurt. Thank you again, amazing coverage and an awesome video!
I dont think its a coincidence that the closest structure to the mineshaft is also the only one thats a single story. I imagine the developers knew that the additional weight of the two-story units would greatly increase the likelihood of a collapse. Bureaucracy at its finest.
My family moved there 39 years ago and i still remember the ground having a slight intendation in it at that location my mother used to tell me to try avoiding that area that it was filled in the previous year but we never knew why i believe the former manager/landlord even said to my mother about running around back there but never said why its been 37 years since moving out of there and i know why now
Wow that's scary! Y'all could've been swallowed up playing in the "yard". No way they should let people live there. Should've been tore down and thrown in the hole. Still not safe. Thank God y'all didn't get hurt or killed❤
Thanks for the update J. I still can’t believe they allowed construction there. I just figured that since you said there’s places like this all over the valley, they had no choice. I think they ought to relocate those people and tear the building down.
Phil from Amazing Pennsylvania Channel has actually explored the mine beneath this neighborhood... He just did a video a few days ago talking about it...
Thanks for the follow up. Also appreciate the old time photographs of the site. So the county knew what was under there before they built those homes there.
Thank you JP for the update! I t doesn’t surprise me they never told anyone about the same thing happening 40 years ago. They probably should never have built that unit thee. I certainly would not live in a place like that if I knew about what happened before. Those poor people! 😢
And the homes that were built should have been bulldosed into that hole before the shaft was re seald along with a couple of thousand tons of good solid rock.
Yes JP you are correct, those buildings should have been removed back at the first subsidence. I wonder myself who should be responsible for this mess. Anyone can go to Pennsylvania mine map atlas and check the area they live in to see if any mine shafts or tunnels are under their home.
I'd be real curious about any personal or business relationships between the landowner who sold it to the housing authority, and any (likely former, given the time that's passed) housing authority employees or directors.
I sure wouldn't have lived there knowing there is a mine shaft there. I use to live in Colorado Springs, Colorado where the same thing happened in the [80s] up on North Circle Dr next to an Elementary School on the south side of the road. The shaft opened up in the middle of Circle Dr close to 40ft across, the depth I have forgotten, but under that area is a massive mined out cavern that stretches out for miles in all directions. The reason there isn't much information on this is because of the fire in the old original city hall (I believe) where all the maps of the mines were kept. So to this day no one knows anything about the mines. There has been housing all over that area for more then a century. Always do your research before Buying and Moving in to Any Place.
It's great to see all the tenants being able to return home bringing to a close such a tragic situation. What is truly sad is that none of them were probably ever made aware of what happened there 40 years earlier. And like you said, what is the price of keeping a tight lip and allowing family dwellings to be built that close to a former mine shaft. It breaks my heart to think that innocent children could have been playing there when it happened. Praise the Lord, there were no casualties. I know, given the knowledge of the areas history, you wouldn't have been able to pay ME to live there, much less raise a family there. Thanks for the update and as always, I'll see you in the next video. Until then take care, stay safe and God bless. Steve in Oklahoma
The situation is bad but it could have been lots worse!!! I absolutely would not live in a place if I knew the circumstances as it is there!!! This was great, Jay 💙💙 You did an amazing job reporting 💙💙 God bless you, keep you healthy and safe 🙏❤️🙏
I agree JP - you did a wonderful job covering the collapse and I waited and watched for an update and you didn’t disappoint! Very professional work indeed. I loved your celebration of 200,000 members. We are amazed at how many different subjects you explore. Each one is an adventure we enjoy since we are unable to travel any longer. Love the e-bikes! Keep on enjoying what you’re doing best! Texie and Mike
I looked at the Google Terrain map. That whole town is incredibly scarred by mining, like 90%. If you would have walked around the water tower or actually anywhere up that hill - you may have seen some cool mine stuff.
If they had back filled the shaft with crushed stone in 83, I doubt this would have reoccurred, I think they just used fill dirt which number one bridged& number 2 may have liquified under the water table.
This is what happens if you don't cap a shaft. Fill often settles & washes out into the workings resulting in repeated collapses. Needs reinforced concrete cap at the rock head.
Awesome update JP! Cool to learn the history and see the old photos of how it looked! I believe it will happen again, the fill is getting washed away through the mines. Thanks for sharing the complete story and history with us!👍
A "landfax" would be an awesome idea for the general public, but there in lies the lies of industry, politics, and people. Someone somewhere in the past has made a fistful of money by keeping their mouth shut about what may be in the ground , or lack there of, Mankind has poisoned the earth, that there is no doubt of, a good example is this video series, another example, depending on how old you are to remember it, was Love Canal, it was supposed to be a canal for shipping but the developers ran out of money and abandoned the property, then a company starts dumping chemicals in to the canal without thinking about the hazards they were creating, ultimately, the chemicals leached into the surrounding soils and the local population started having health problems and the E.P.A. stepped in and moved people out of the affected areas, that was back in the mid to late 1970's, it was all over the national news services, and some government agencies have been working on remediating the situation. I can tell you that there is a old landfill near the Susquehanna River in New York State that was closed and capped in the early 70's because of chemicals leaching into the river and local ground water cisterns, the butt kicker, there was a farm right at the edge of that landfill, the E.P.A. had him take his livestock one at a time into the landfill and destroy the animal, the farmer was never compensated for his loss and the county was forced to put in a fresh water pump and water lines one mile upriver to five miles down river and no one was to take water from the river, this was in New York, where the river enters Pennsylvania, the Pennsylvania fish and boat commission states that individuals should only eat two servings of fish per month caught in the river
They did a good job filling the hole. It will take weeks months for ground to settle. With frost/freeze/thaw ground does heave anyway. They definately have to monitor this. Hopefully we dont get heavy rains again so ground can start to stabilize.😃 Political corruption unfortunately is common place especially involving real estate developers.
Your first video was a few days old when I saw it. I was curious about the process to fill the hole an did a Google search and found video of the first occurrence. It looks like based on footage from this video that during the first filling process they were simply back filling with plane dirt. Of coarse the water in the mine was going to eat away at the dirt. This time they used rock. Had they used rock the first time there probably would not have been a repeat. As more dirt at the bottom erodes away over time it is inevitable that there will be more sinking here.
Great video! Most of the mines that are abandoned are right under towns, cities, and roads!! A road near where I live opened up due to mine subsidence 15 years ago! Some roads you can tell where a mine is underneath. Yeah, unfortunately money talks and BS walks. Kinda makes me want to research old mines even more(maybe this is why we are frowned upon videoing old mines...might uncover the truth)!!
The former Newport township administrator (Zika?)was convicted of embezzlement as far as I'm aware and was given a slap on the wrist where he only had to pay back what he stole w/o imprisonment and he was also buddies with and a member of the local masonic lodge. I cannot confirm nor deny all of this but have had dealings with him personally and have ties in the Wyoming valley from Forest city down to Moqanaqua for over a 120 years and know how things operate here. There is a good ole boy network I have yet to be invited to. Shame on them.
Imo, .they should go back and look up where the mines' are and mark those areas' where not to build. Be proactive. Glad the guy is okay. They should replace his stuff.
@@JPVideos81 Seems to be a nice enough fella, yeah i could tell by the way he kept loosing his balance, as well as the limited mobility in his limbs. but he appears to be in good spirits considering his circumstance...
I find it funny how that one building is a single level building and the other 2 buildings are 2 story, by chance did they know it could happen at some point so they decided to make it a one story building to reduce the weight over the existing mine shaft.
The one story buildings are for those with disabilities or handicapped. Every housing complex has them. Not many though. Those with wheelchairs cannot get up the stairs. So they made accommodations for those people. Why would someone put all that money into something they knew would just fall into the ground? Think about that! It makes no sense.
@CatWhisperer570 true but if they knew why put a building there in the first place. With that sink hole opening up the first time you would think they would have stopped with building the single story building. Just my thoughts
Jenkins is your name? Sounds Welsh... If your family is long in PA, I wouldn't be surprised to find that some of your ancestors worked those mines. My own great-great-grandfather, John Thomas, left Wales with his family in the 1860s because his mining work there had dried up. They immigrated to the US and did some mining in PA before helping found a railroad town in Kansas. His two sons participating in the "Big" Land Run into Oklahoma, just like in the Tom Cruise movie "Far and Away". Not too many mines in Oklahoma, so I've managed to stay above ground, except in tornado season ;)
with all the old, abandoned coal mines in Pa, i guess it could happen just about anywhere, I've seen many a house sink in my area due to mine subsidence.
Never would I willingly move into a place with that history. Knowing what has happened twice now, I wouldn’t move back into those apartments if I was those people. You never know when it can reopen. Shame on officials for turning a blind eye and letting people move into those places. Some have no concerns about others wellbeing.
20:00 The same thing is wondered with that situation here where I live that I was telling you about in the 1st video neighborhood is called hideaway hills
This needs to be addressed in every town every where. I live in PA and every time I see buildings and houses going up on on mines, strip mines, and slate/slag dumps my stomach turns. With the addition of a new road way developers are rapidly building on land that should never be built on. It also sickens me how fast housing developments go up. Back in the day a survey was done and any ground broken had to settle for at least a year before it could be built on. My friends parents bought a house and every time there was a heavy rain,,the old mine shaft behind their home would flood, and the house had a stream of water flowing through it. After having the stream go through and replacing cabinets for the fourth time they had to move.y advice to anyone moving to a new housing development,, go to the county court house and ask for property records and what the land was originally used for. Century Three Mall was closed because it was built on an old garbage dump. If you heard stories about feeling the floors moving,,it's not a lie,,they definitely shifted. Thankfully it was condemned and shut down. Do your research before you move.
That’s BS, the town or city approved that building to be built there and that’s just crazy. They need to knock that building down and relocate those people.
That property should have be zoned commercial instead of residential for that very reason. This problem is a city planner & city counsel problem and needs to be dealt with at a civil level. A long story short, someone deserves to be sued over this.
Go to Google Maps... If you zoom into the map you can see the table, chairs, grille & concrete slabs that Paul lost... Also looks like you can see the edge of the ares where the shaft is located... A friend lives near Seven Shaft on West Newport Street... About a half mile away...
Your two videos on this were interesting. My area has extensive Iron mines, and there has been some subsidence, the one I saw first hand, it was an open park, kept open, but after the subsidence it's been fenced off, even though it's been filled. The second one was simply a rumor, and I never got confirmation, but the story went, someone's furnace stopped working in the middle of the night, they went down their stairs in the dark, got a feeling something was wrong, clicked on the lights and found that their furnace had fallen into a shaft, along with part of their basement floor.
I hope that guy you interviewed doesn't get in any trouble from housing for going on video. I wouldn't put it past them to try to reprimand him in some way or another
He was actually interviewed on the news and is happy to share his story. There's a lot off camera that he shared and dealing with this event doesn't help his situation.
I live in SW PA and it’s very common for people to have Mine Subsidence Insurance. It’s made available by the PA DEP. They aren’t permitted to provide the insurance if your property/structure isn’t at risk for mine subsidence. The cost of the insurance is something like $0.27 per $1,000 of coverage so $200,000 of coverage costs $54.00 per year.
If they did not fill or securely cap the shaft it will fail again. Just shoving a few tons of gravel in the hole is not enough. The fact that the gutter discharges via down pipe onto the back yard makes the subsidence act faster. I've worked for a shaft capping company.
JP this interesting fact about delaware we had a mine, but then it was unknown since 1700s it's the chestnut hill mine in delaware. If you can find it, maybe record a video about it would help me to learn about the history of it
What's interesting, now it is illegal for mining companies to leave mines open when they leave the site. I believe it is called "The 1977 Mine Health and Safety Act". This was created to ensure that mining companies now fully cap mines when they are put out of use.
There has to be laws against building on or very near to an abandoned mine shaft. I imagine some people that worked for the city and/or county got a hefty bonus check for allowing a residential building to be built there. And NO I would not live there if I knew that.
Well it's good to see the people moved back in. That was definitely a very big opening, i thought that apartment closes to the opening would be collapsing into the opening.
i was hoping you would do an update on this story . if i know there was a problem in the area i wouldn't move in .i think that these housing places for poor people , the people that own this area don't care all they care is the money . just my opinion .
Its strange they did no cast concrete cap /roof in the open shaft where the bedrock layer started before filling the upper part of it in the 80tys Then this cave in would probably not had happened now. Sloppy work.
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You heard it first hand from a resident. What are your thoughts on this situation?
Side note, Paul has many health issues and we spoke for nearly 30 minutes about a variety of things and he was even featured on the news. I feel fortunate to give him my time to share part of his story with us.
That guy sure was a character! Oh boy it would be a lot of fun being his neighbor. Hes probably an alright guy, but I have issues being around people that act like he was, they make me nervous and paranoid.
@JPVideos81 Have you heard of the federal law they have in place now that prevents companies from abandoning and leaving a mine shaft open?
I would not move back in what a nightmare.🥺
I agree with Paul .....I would not have moved in there if I was aware of its history . The owners "might" have thought the problem was solved when the first sinkhole was filled ....or maybe just wishful thinking . People know now ....( are they still being told the problem is solved , I wonder ?
I know it's no consolation for the people living there now but when this originally first happened I can't believe they didn't fill the mine shaft in to a certain level and then put a large thick reinforced concrete plinth on top of the mine shaft then put more material and then earth on top of that... I also can't believe that they haven't done that this time, because it is bound to happen again and people might not be so lucky next time, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they built the apartments there in the first place.
Excellent update JP. This story needed to be told. Corruption is everywhere and this could’ve turned out so much worse. 🤗. Thanks for telling the story.
Great vid and interview J. Thx😊
Thank you so much for making this video. If it happened twice it will happen again. They should just move those people to new apartments and tear it down before a life is lost. Great video!
Paul is a real animated character! I am glad they saved the cross he made for his cat!
We call them Methican Americans where we are from.
@@mikedenton25yep drugs are bad.
No, his body is just broke down, and it does not always respond the way he expects it too. He has been like this for many years, too many for him to be a meth addict. @@mikedenton25
@@mikedenton25sad !
A real tweaker!!!
There are numerous old shafts around the town I live by, here in central Pennsylvania. You can easily identify them, because they typically have a fence around a pile of soil, and usually the pile has a depression in it from settling. Some have a concrete cap over them.
But the shaft in your video is a massive one, in comparison to the ones out here. That 1983 photo is amazing.
The worst part is the shear amount of material that has been removed from that area and the whole town. The housing authority should really reconsider this location for income based housing. But im sure they got the land cheap, since it was basically just a pile of spoils. Thanks for your coverage on this.
I wouldn't live there if I knew. When it happened the first time, the building of those apartments should have stopped. You can bet pockets were lined. As much as I hate to say it, that building should be permanently condemned. Hope a thorough top to bottom inspection was done before letting residents back in. Hope Paul gets compensated for the stuff he lost. Thanks for the update.
Thank you so much for the up-date .You did an amazing job explaining the situation and interviewing Paul . Very informative and interesting coverage . 👍💙 (So thankful no one was hurt )..
JP, outstanding coverage of the repair and history of the repeated subsidence. Hell of a job!! And no, I would never have built a residence or rented an apartment next to a 700 feet vertical main shaft to a coal mine that had previously collapsed forty years ago. You're right, who was paid off to sign off on the building permits in the 80s?? Good question for any local journalists want to explore the answers??
This was deeply disturbing given the history of what happened on exactly that spot. You're right, Jay, that building as a residence for people should never have been put there. Personally, I would not feel safe moving back in after that, especially after hearing it could happen again. You did an excellent job reporting this event & the history of the mine that operated there. This felt like investigative journalism, for which you should be paid. Seriously. Great video!💙
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JP, I have had a lengthy career working in the dirt and have my share of learning from the same guys that were the innovators of how to use what they had.
Whoever backfilled that hole missed a golden opportunity to install a warning device to let people know that they needed to get out of the way because it was happening again.
A simple device to let them know it's happening again. My bosses father started his family owned business in 1947 with a couple of dozers and cable pull scrapers. He was also instrumental in helping bring together CON-EXPO out in Vegas. He was a real cowboy from the boots to the hat.
The simplistic device I'm talking about is called a "Settlement Rod". You can make them out of just about anything.
75' deep hole, I would have used some 3/4" rebar and welded flat round disc like plate to the end. Make sure that it's fairly thick so it's not going to rot off in a couple of years. Bury that end at or near the bottom, center of the hole. Backfill around the rod, add more rod as needed to get up out of the ground. At the ground level you will need some pipe just bigger than the rod. Mount the pipe onto another flat plate with some going through the plate. The rod needs to stick up and out of the pipe. Then paint marks or put some kind of alarm on it then bingo, early warning system.
If it starts to happen again, it'll start at the bottom 75' down, and pull the rod down as it goes.
Nobody dies, looses the grill and they should have time to move the patio furniture.
That's awesome and potentially life-saving! I really hope you can encourage CON-EXPO to market to area authorities in Pennsylvania due to the multitude of old mines in their area. It's worth a try. Thanks!
@@dianacanales2526 CON-EXPO is a yearly construction exposition in Vegas highlighting advances in equipment and technology worldwide. It's a huge show that just boggles the mind with what's there.
If your cities not sending at least an engineer to it, I don't know what to tell you.
I live in an area where they tunnel mined gypsum for decades and we have had our own issues with soil subsidence.
We got proactive with solutions, gypsum mines are no where near as deep as coal mines, but eventually they started setting up pumping stations at areas that were known for problems. They pumped a slurry mix of cement mixed with crushed limestone and some other things in it for a few years before they eventually got a handle on it.
It wasn't until a sinkhole swallowed a RUAN truck shop one weekend that they finally did something about it.
Thanks for the info!@@mikesmith6665
Ty for sharing this. I shared it with one of the bigger developers here in Scr. and one of the contractors who his filling various "holes" in the Blue Mtn range.
Interesting.
Wonderful job reporting this JP! It was so educational and interesting. There is no way I would build a home or live in any home knowing that an underground mine subsidence had happened there at one time. How scary would that be!?! History could repeat itself once again and it was very fortunate that no one was hurt. Thank you again, amazing coverage and an awesome video!
I dont think its a coincidence that the closest structure to the mineshaft is also the only one thats a single story. I imagine the developers knew that the additional weight of the two-story units would greatly increase the likelihood of a collapse. Bureaucracy at its finest.
true, nice catch!
Agreed!
My family moved there 39 years ago and i still remember the ground having a slight intendation in it at that location my mother used to tell me to try avoiding that area that it was filled in the previous year but we never knew why i believe the former manager/landlord even said to my mother about running around back there but never said why its been 37 years since moving out of there and i know why now
Wow that's scary! Y'all could've been swallowed up playing in the "yard". No way they should let people live there. Should've been tore down and thrown in the hole. Still not safe. Thank God y'all didn't get hurt or killed❤
Thanks for the update J. I still can’t believe they allowed construction there. I just figured that since you said there’s places like this all over the valley, they had no choice. I think they ought to relocate those people and tear the building down.
Phil from Amazing Pennsylvania Channel has actually explored the mine beneath this neighborhood... He just did a video a few days ago talking about it...
@@AnthraciteHorrorStories Oh okay could have sworn i heard him or someone say Mark...
Thanks for the follow up. Also appreciate the old time photographs of the site. So the county knew what was under there before they built those homes there.
Solid piece of journalism, and some dammed good questions. Well done!
Thank you JP for the update! I t doesn’t surprise me they never told anyone about the same thing happening 40 years ago. They probably should never have built that unit thee. I certainly would not live in a place like that if I knew about what happened before. Those poor people! 😢
And the homes that were built should have been bulldosed into that hole before the shaft was re seald along with a couple of thousand tons of good solid rock.
Thank you for the update and great research and commentary!
Thanks for the update. Thank you.
Yes JP you are correct, those buildings should have been removed back at the first subsidence. I wonder myself who should be responsible for this mess.
Anyone can go to Pennsylvania mine map atlas and check the area they live in to see if any mine shafts or tunnels are under their home.
Awesome content JP.
As for the subsidence, it will happen again.
I'd be real curious about any personal or business relationships between the landowner who sold it to the housing authority, and any (likely former, given the time that's passed) housing authority employees or directors.
Likely Pollack and good luck finding any info on that guy. Try the courthouse records.
Those shafts in concrete pillars are most likely air shafts to equalize the air pressure while the main shaft was used.
Also could be Methane Gas vents.
@@johnmccallum8512 maybe but I still think its for pressure equalization
Are they not air ventilation shafts from when the mine was in operation?
My question is since its happened twice now how can they NOT condemn it?!! More money being pocketed again Id say. Great video Jay as always!😀☮️
I sure wouldn't have lived there knowing there is a mine shaft there. I use to live in Colorado Springs, Colorado where the same thing happened in the [80s] up on North Circle Dr next to an Elementary School on the south side of the road. The shaft opened up in the middle of Circle Dr close to 40ft across, the depth I have forgotten, but under that area is a massive mined out cavern that stretches out for miles in all directions. The reason there isn't much information on this is because of the fire in the old original city hall (I believe) where all the maps of the mines were kept. So to this day no one knows anything about the mines. There has been housing all over that area for more then a century. Always do your research before Buying and Moving in to Any Place.
It's great to see all the tenants being able to return home bringing to a close such a tragic situation. What is truly sad is that none of them were probably ever made aware of what happened there 40 years earlier. And like you said, what is the price of keeping a tight lip and allowing family dwellings to be built that close to a former mine shaft. It breaks my heart to think that innocent children could have been playing there when it happened. Praise the Lord, there were no casualties. I know, given the knowledge of the areas history, you wouldn't have been able to pay ME to live there, much less raise a family there. Thanks for the update and as always, I'll see you in the next video. Until then take care, stay safe and God bless.
Steve in Oklahoma
Thanks for the update I appreciate it. Great presentation as usual.
The situation is bad but it could have been lots worse!!!
I absolutely would not live in a place if I knew the circumstances as it is there!!!
This was great, Jay 💙💙 You did an amazing job reporting 💙💙
God bless you, keep you healthy and safe 🙏❤️🙏
Wish i felt as good as this guy.
I agree JP - you did a wonderful job covering the collapse and I waited and watched for an update and you didn’t disappoint! Very professional work indeed.
I loved your celebration of 200,000 members. We are amazed at how many different subjects you explore. Each one is an adventure we enjoy since we are unable to travel any longer. Love the e-bikes!
Keep on enjoying what you’re doing best! Texie and Mike
I looked at the Google Terrain map. That whole town is incredibly scarred by mining, like 90%. If you would have walked around the water tower or actually anywhere up that hill - you may have seen some cool mine stuff.
Maybe I'll snoop around during the winter.
hurray!!! Mine vids. @@JPVideos81
If they had back filled the shaft with crushed stone in 83, I doubt this would have reoccurred, I think they just used fill dirt which number one bridged& number 2 may have liquified under the water table.
This is what happens if you don't cap a shaft. Fill often settles & washes out into the workings resulting in repeated collapses. Needs reinforced concrete cap at the rock head.
Awesome update JP! Cool to learn the history and see the old photos of how it looked! I believe it will happen again, the fill is getting washed away through the mines. Thanks for sharing the complete story and history with us!👍
Thats crazy i would not move back in 😮. Glad no one was hurt awesome video thanks fur sharing
Fascinating. Thanks Jay for the update. I was wondering how they would resolve this.
Thanks for the update.
Thanks for the update. There needs to be something like the carfax but for land, landfax if you will, especially for places like this.
A "landfax" would be an awesome idea for the general public, but there in lies the lies of industry, politics, and people.
Someone somewhere in the past has made a fistful of money by keeping their mouth shut about what may be in the ground , or lack there of,
Mankind has poisoned the earth, that there is no doubt of, a good example is this video series, another example, depending on how old you are to remember it, was Love Canal, it was supposed to be a canal for shipping but the developers ran out of money and abandoned the property, then a company starts dumping chemicals in to the canal without thinking about the hazards they were creating, ultimately, the chemicals leached into the surrounding soils and the local population started having health problems and the E.P.A. stepped in and moved people out of the affected areas, that was back in the mid to late 1970's, it was all over the national news services, and some government agencies have been working on remediating the situation.
I can tell you that there is a old landfill near the Susquehanna River in New York State that was closed and capped in the early 70's because of chemicals leaching into the river and local ground water cisterns, the butt kicker, there was a farm right at the edge of that landfill, the E.P.A. had him take his livestock one at a time into the landfill and destroy the animal, the farmer was never compensated for his loss and the county was forced to put in a fresh water pump and water lines one mile upriver to five miles down river and no one was to take water from the river, this was in New York, where the river enters Pennsylvania, the Pennsylvania fish and boat commission states that individuals should only eat two servings of fish per month caught in the river
great drone shots, JP. Haven't seen you in quite a while in the 'tube' feed. GTSY again.
I hope this video surpasses 40 years for which it could give answers then.
In my home town Franklin NJ we have seen this happened a lot do to the Franklin Zinc mines.
Thank you Jay for sharing the aftermath of the cave in great video thanks
They did a good job filling the hole. It will take weeks months for ground to settle. With frost/freeze/thaw ground does heave anyway. They definately have to monitor this. Hopefully we dont get heavy rains again so ground can start to stabilize.😃 Political corruption unfortunately is common place especially involving real estate developers.
Your first video was a few days old when I saw it. I was curious about the process to fill the hole an did a Google search and found video of the first occurrence. It looks like based on footage from this video that during the first filling process they were simply back filling with plane dirt. Of coarse the water in the mine was going to eat away at the dirt. This time they used rock. Had they used rock the first time there probably would not have been a repeat. As more dirt at the bottom erodes away over time it is inevitable that there will be more sinking here.
Great video! Most of the mines that are abandoned are right under towns, cities, and roads!!
A road near where I live opened up due to mine subsidence 15 years ago! Some roads you can tell where a mine is underneath. Yeah, unfortunately money talks and BS walks. Kinda makes me want to research old mines even more(maybe this is why we are frowned upon videoing old mines...might uncover the truth)!!
thanks for the update on this underground mine happend jp
The former Newport township administrator (Zika?)was convicted of embezzlement as far as I'm aware and was given a slap on the wrist where he only had to pay back what he stole w/o imprisonment and he was also buddies with and a member of the local masonic lodge. I cannot confirm nor deny all of this but have had dealings with him personally and have ties in the Wyoming valley from Forest city down to Moqanaqua for over a 120 years and know how things operate here. There is a good ole boy network I have yet to be invited to. Shame on them.
This is crazy. We have sink holes here in Florida but never thought they were anywhere else
You have natural sinkholes, this is from a former mine under this housing site that wasn’t filled in properly. We don’t get them regularly like you do
Imo, .they should go back and look up where the mines' are and mark those areas' where not to build. Be proactive. Glad the guy is okay. They should replace his stuff.
Paul is a trip!
looks like he may be suffering from cerebral palsy... Reminds me of Josh Blue...
@@UrbCrafter he's dealing with quite a few health problems. Definitely a character, but a nice guy at heart.
@@JPVideos81 Seems to be a nice enough fella, yeah i could tell by the way he kept loosing his balance, as well as the limited mobility in his limbs. but he appears to be in good spirits considering his circumstance...
I find it funny how that one building is a single level building and the other 2 buildings are 2 story, by chance did they know it could happen at some point so they decided to make it a one story building to reduce the weight over the existing mine shaft.
The one story buildings are for those with disabilities or handicapped. Every housing complex has them. Not many though. Those with wheelchairs cannot get up the stairs. So they made accommodations for those people. Why would someone put all that money into something they knew would just fall into the ground? Think about that! It makes no sense.
@CatWhisperer570 true but if they knew why put a building there in the first place. With that sink hole opening up the first time you would think they would have stopped with building the single story building. Just my thoughts
Jenkins is your name? Sounds Welsh... If your family is long in PA, I wouldn't be surprised to find that some of your ancestors worked those mines.
My own great-great-grandfather, John Thomas, left Wales with his family in the 1860s because his mining work there had dried up. They immigrated to the US and did some mining in PA before helping found a railroad town in Kansas. His two sons participating in the "Big" Land Run into Oklahoma, just like in the Tom Cruise movie "Far and Away". Not too many mines in Oklahoma, so I've managed to stay above ground, except in tornado season ;)
@SansNeural no my family is from NC. All my ancestors were from this area
with all the old, abandoned coal mines in Pa, i guess it could happen just about anywhere, I've seen many a house sink in my area due to mine subsidence.
That not right, you are right they shouldn't have built those houses there thanks for the update
Amazing!
The space underneath this must be huge! I wouldn’t be surprised if it sinks again as the underground area settles more.
Never would I willingly move into a place with that history.
Knowing what has happened twice now, I wouldn’t move back into those apartments if I was those people. You never know when it can reopen. Shame on officials for turning a blind eye and letting people move into those places. Some have no concerns about others wellbeing.
What a awesome job that you do looking into the info on this and other adventures.Great job Jay👍👍
20:00 The same thing is wondered with that situation here where I live that I was telling you about in the 1st video neighborhood is called hideaway hills
fascinating story! Scary too! No I would not move there.
Any part of that mining shaft under those building?
This needs to be addressed in every town every where. I live in PA and every time I see buildings and houses going up on on mines, strip mines, and slate/slag dumps my stomach turns.
With the addition of a new road way developers are rapidly building on land that should never be built on.
It also sickens me how fast housing developments go up. Back in the day a survey was done and any ground broken had to settle for at least a year before it could be built on.
My friends parents bought a house and every time there was a heavy rain,,the old mine shaft behind their home would flood, and the house had a stream of water flowing through it.
After having the stream go through and replacing cabinets for the fourth time they had to move.y advice to anyone moving to a new housing development,, go to the county court house and ask for property records and what the land was originally used for.
Century Three Mall was closed because it was built on an old garbage dump. If you heard stories about feeling the floors moving,,it's not a lie,,they definitely shifted. Thankfully it was condemned and shut down.
Do your research before you move.
That's reclamation for ypu
That’s BS, the town or city approved that building to be built there and that’s just crazy. They need to knock that building down and relocate those people.
I used to be an engineer at a coal/coal ash contractor and had an old refuse pile, ash dump,
Wow, how crazy
Wonder if the trail behind this place was a old rail line at one time
Welcome to the world we live in
That property should have be zoned commercial instead of residential for that very reason. This problem is a city planner & city counsel problem and needs to be dealt with at a civil level. A long story short, someone deserves to be sued over this.
I like red shorts guy. He reminds me of my uncle who sadly passed. A real rock and roll kinda guy. :)
Funny enough he told me he was in a band. He shared a lot with me off camera and is happy to tell whoever is willing to listen.
@@JPVideos81 yes I had a feeling they were similar in that way!
@@AnthraciteHorrorStories dude! I watched your video on this too! It was excellent :)
Go to Google Maps... If you zoom into the map you can see the table, chairs, grille & concrete slabs that Paul lost... Also looks like you can see the edge of the ares where the shaft is located... A friend lives near Seven Shaft on West Newport Street... About a half mile away...
Love this mine adventure and even had a bit of rails 😅💙
I thought this place looked familiar. I was thinking I seen something about a sink hole back in the 80's
Your two videos on this were interesting. My area has extensive Iron mines, and there has been some subsidence, the one I saw first hand, it was an open park, kept open, but after the subsidence it's been fenced off, even though it's been filled. The second one was simply a rumor, and I never got confirmation, but the story went, someone's furnace stopped working in the middle of the night, they went down their stairs in the dark, got a feeling something was wrong, clicked on the lights and found that their furnace had fallen into a shaft, along with part of their basement floor.
I hope that guy you interviewed doesn't get in any trouble from housing for going on video. I wouldn't put it past them to try to reprimand him in some way or another
He was actually interviewed on the news and is happy to share his story. There's a lot off camera that he shared and dealing with this event doesn't help his situation.
Lol what?
they did a good job filling in the collapse.
Great update Jason. Money talks and they just turn their heads. That is sad but happens frequently. TYFS! 👍
I live in SW PA and it’s very common for people to have Mine Subsidence Insurance. It’s made available by the PA DEP. They aren’t permitted to provide the insurance if your property/structure isn’t at risk for mine subsidence. The cost of the insurance is something like $0.27 per $1,000 of coverage so $200,000 of coverage costs $54.00 per year.
greetings. you are very good at doing this. i don't think you could have done a better job
No way would I have moved there if I had known this! Is it possible that there could be a law suit for any of these people?
Came back to this video cause me and my partner were talking about the two recent mine subsidences Sunday and Today
They seem to be more common now
If they did not fill or securely cap the shaft it will fail again. Just shoving a few tons of gravel in the hole is not enough. The fact that the gutter discharges via down pipe onto the back yard makes the subsidence act faster.
I've worked for a shaft capping company.
What are the regulations on how far you can build from a mine shaft? We’re those same regulations in place in the early 80’s?
I wouldn’t trust that hole to remain full. The extent of the underground workings will definitely swallow more earth and that shaft will open again.
Old Glen Lyon Paul. That guy is a legend.
The building is leaning towards the hole ! That is crazy
RIP the grill, it was innocent.
JP this interesting fact about delaware we had a mine, but then it was unknown since 1700s it's the chestnut hill mine in delaware. If you can find it, maybe record a video about it would help me to learn about the history of it
@@AnthraciteHorrorStories it's basically covered in the forest carpet because it been there so long and earth took it over
@@AnthraciteHorrorStories and I don't know the rest but yup
Are there any sketches or plans of how they closed the hole off this time? Obviously it has not been done properly TWICE now so ......
What's interesting, now it is illegal for mining companies to leave mines open when they leave the site. I believe it is called "The 1977 Mine Health and Safety Act". This was created to ensure that mining companies now fully cap mines when they are put out of use.
There has to be laws against building on or very near to an abandoned mine shaft. I imagine some people that worked for the city and/or county got a hefty bonus check for allowing a residential building to be built there.
And NO I would not live there if I knew that.
Goober babble. 🙄
@@AlwaysAwesome001 You think so?
You’re 100% correct, there’s no way that complex should be there, someone’s pockets were definitely lined to get that permit
Well it's good to see the people moved back in. That was definitely a very big opening, i thought that apartment closes to the opening would be collapsing into the opening.
Oh heck no. Not unless they gave full disclosure of what was there, how deep and how did they close it and then living near one would be questionable.
God forgive me but when Paul walked backwards into the doorway i lost it. @4.05
i was hoping you would do an update on this story . if i know there was a problem in the area i wouldn't move in .i think that these housing places for poor people , the people that own this area don't care all they care is the money . just my opinion .
That’s a lot of rock to fill up that hole
Now I'm just thinking why can't they throw in some concrete mix once the hole starts topping off to act as a sort of a wedge or tapered plug. Why not?
Its strange they did no cast concrete cap /roof in the open shaft where the bedrock layer started before filling the upper part of it in the 80tys
Then this cave in would probably not had happened now. Sloppy work.
If I lived there I would freaking MOVE. It's not worth the risk at all!
It's public housing. These people average less then $100 a month in rent. They can't afford to move
Gutter downspout empties right into the affected area... besides the hillside. 😳