The video misses a segment on the early game build order. With Burgundians, you want to put 7 on food before you build the Lumber Camp, so that you start piling up food to get Double-Bit Axe. You should be able to get the upgrade as soon as the Lumber Camp is up. Then, you put the 7th food villager on wood as well.
@@forsakenquery The upgrade nets 4.6 wood per villager per minute. At 3 on wood for about 7 minutes from the time you get the upgrade to hitting Feudal Age, that's about 100 wood, not accounting for the villagers you put on wood after you click up.
@@TheNethertyp so you're basically trading 60 food for 50 wood, since you spend 50 w and get back 100 w but have to spend 60 food also. Not an amazing deal by itself, but if you then drop 9-12 on wood as you click, you will have basically gained a free stable by the time you hit feudal. That seems pretty great, better than cumans bonus at very worst.
Daut just put up a video "Knights beat pikemen". MBL was trying to build up crossbows while using pikemen to counter knights and going in with the same numbers was not good for the pikemen. Daut also was able to pick his fights leading to the win.
Great series. Looking forward to the rest of the Civilizations overview through the ultimate guide. I personally like this style more as compared to the "so you want to play...." series as this is short and to the point. Thumbs and great job 👍
Yo Hera, we need an ultimate guide to farming to get our mills looking this pretty. Learning to place farms in the late game or when pressured wouldn’t hurt either
Can't believe u meet Juan Perotti today!! Amazing aoe crossover, the latin community of the game feel a special love for our casters, and watching u both together was great!!
One thing I want to comment, is to try and save your hand cannons if possible, even if you are planning a tech switch. You never know if you're gonna need the revolution, and a couple of hand cannons sprinkled in with your siege is really powerful. Also, since you lack final archer armor, your militia would act as a great meatshield. So yeah, save your hand cannons
I like coustellier. I hide them in my castles and then when the enemy comes outside to siege down my castles, I send out trash hussars to distract opponent while my coustelliers quickly one shot siege. All the units then retreat back to castles to heal.
Yeah takes quite a bit of resources to pick up the 2 attack upgrades to one shot the monk...so early to late castle monks still work well against them.
1) Is tower rush your best option for early pressure? Possibly tower rush + scouts since you can get such a boost in a delayed feudal game by having castle eco techs? 2) something I've never seen explored is trying to go all-in feudal since every second both you are in feudal you are collecting an advantage by virtue of eco upgrades.
Yo hera can u also try to incorporate the best unit compositions for each civ as well one trash one gold oriented I know u already made a whole video of all of them but it be nice to have them here as well
Hera kept talking about how op coustiliers are until i decided to try them " although i did play burgundians a lot because i think their eco bonus is op as fk" So yes i was like " fine burgundians hit and run, i did that a lot in high rank world of warcraft arena as a feral druid" Little did i know, this fking shit charge is so op it two shots helbs and i castle age i one tap knighta then run back before they fan even attack fully lol
Also, hwra if you read this, rhis gets a bit nerdy but i would love to see you make something out of it as you have the skill and experience to make it work. An early game powerhouse burgundians strat would be very possible. i find it hard to understand the "slow start" statement. Getting double bit axe and chain saw for about 1.5 the price that others pay for it but with 4-6 mins of earlier returns from a discounted double bit axe. If double bit axe pays back in 4-6 mins depends on the number of lumberjacks then it pays even faster for burgundians. And since tou are getting the chainsaw for a discounted price too, you are technically getting paid back before you hit feudal with discounted double bit axe or early feudal and then chain saw puts you as far behind as everyone else but with a much higher eco boost. If we count a 20% wood bonus as a civ bonus since you had it in both dark and feudal and you paid for both as everyone else paid for one" again fuz double bit axe been paying off for a while" Then with 20% wood bonus you should actually be ready to go 1 extra archery range above what anyone else is doing, so 3 for 2 , 2 for 1.. etc etc. Ofc all of that appliss to the discounted gold tech as it also should pay back fast. We can easily calculate it too. Burgundians gold tech is about 140 rss, 67 for food and 75 wood. The gold gathering rate goes up by 3.4 per min per villager, and you need 4 for archer rushes generally. If you have 4 vils on gold for 8 mins on get 3.4 x 4"vils" per extra gold per min. Which adds up to 13.6 gold per min so in 8 mins "considering you got it in yout way up to feudal" you got about 13.6 x 8 = 116.8 gold around the time you've started hitting. Considering the VERY SLOW food collection rate, then you effectively collected more even. So in other worda a discounted gold tech can almost pay back filly early to mid feudal age with 4 vils on gold. Now our wood is boosted by 20% to begin with, and our gold by 15% which means if we commit 1 more on gold to begin with and 1 -2 more on wood we can easily manage 1 archery range spam or an alternative of 2 archers archery ranges and 1 skirms. Now all of that, if you manage to take a few losses but jail both your self and the enemy in feudal age, eventually your tech bonuses would've paid back twice as much and now you are playing a game of powerhouse feudal. So there is no civ that can compete with an eco so powerful, enough to collect 20% extra wood, 15% extra gold which would've slowly crypt into unlocking the next gold and even the second farms upgradss as well ad other things. All of that ofc is hard to do without skill as the ability to force a feudal all out war would be harder for average players compared to pros. I can admit one thing though, the omly hard rush would be Drush. But i would not mind towering up for the vills on wood.
Hi Hera, great video but I'm wondering if flemish revolution is not a bit of an extreme response to pikes, seems like theres no going back once you hit that tech
I like to get lumber upgrade early, and wheelbarrow just before the age up. That way as soon as I hit feudal I can get hand cart. And hand cart in feudal is *insane*
I am missing the recorded playbacks on the civ you highlighted. Only been subbed to you for a month or so. Been subbed to spirit for 3 years. Could you spin a co-vid IE 2nd channel on your excellent game play as you release a civ how to play? Slowly working thru your back catalogue as TH-cam suggest you. I HATE live games, why I don't use twitch. But your considered game play ie comments on a game you put out a year ago really helps with my games. Theory and demonstrate from one source. Will never get to top level play, not enough time and practice. But those theory and show videos have got me 200 Elo advance in last quarter to just above 1k. ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️ Edit spelling thought Elo was eleo
Probably pretty similar depending on opponent and play-style. Burgundians are better with their power spikes and faster economy allowing them to cripple their opponent by early in Imperial. But if you get to an end game death ball stage without taking much damage I will take the mass Houfnice.
So the Flemish Revolution is basically the equivalent of Age of Mythology Norse Ragnarok or Age of Empires III Revolution from the motherland (playing as Europeans)
What you can do better? Share your opinion on some techs, such as the vineyard. Is it only worth it in Arena when you receive no pressure or do you see any other application?
Vineyard is good when you are entering a protracted trash war and you have insane farm numbers (40+). Before this point you can't justify the food expenditure on a tech with a terrible payoff. However, unlike the Vietnamese wood to gold tech, vineyards does actually pay off well in post imp low gold. You are getting 1-3 extra relics of gold, which is huge. I can't think of a scenario where you get this in castle age however.
@@forsakenquery Thank you for your reply, I understand it better now. Those post-imp fights when you have 40+ secured farms are quite rare in 1v1 open map. Maybe it’s more useful in closed map and in 3v3 if trade is hard to get. Very situational indeed.
I am wondering if coustillier/hand cannoneer would be a better comp in castle. Of course this is a double gold units but considering Burgundians have trash... trash. You need to go hard for relics and usually they end up being split up. Both of these units would be good for pulshing and killing eco.
@@forsakenquery Do you mean cavalier in castle? Paladin would need to be teched into after accumulating some resources for it. To amend my statement. Coustillier/crossbows in castle (HC not available) coustillier/hand cannon in early Imp if facing pikemen/halb and then paladins in mid Imp.
Hi, I cannot join the discord, it always says that the link is invalid. I know they expire, but I tried this one 2 hours after it was posted. I have entered and left your discord before, maybe this is a problem? Thanks!
The video misses a segment on the early game build order. With Burgundians, you want to put 7 on food before you build the Lumber Camp, so that you start piling up food to get Double-Bit Axe. You should be able to get the upgrade as soon as the Lumber Camp is up. Then, you put the 7th food villager on wood as well.
Wait, it doesn't starts with wheelbarrow?
Great point. This way you start with a virtual half villager lead and you have paid back the upgrade long before you try to age up.
@@forsakenquery The upgrade nets 4.6 wood per villager per minute. At 3 on wood for about 7 minutes from the time you get the upgrade to hitting Feudal Age, that's about 100 wood, not accounting for the villagers you put on wood after you click up.
@@CrnaStrela No, you need the resources for Crop Rotation.
@@TheNethertyp so you're basically trading 60 food for 50 wood, since you spend 50 w and get back 100 w but have to spend 60 food also. Not an amazing deal by itself, but if you then drop 9-12 on wood as you click, you will have basically gained a free stable by the time you hit feudal. That seems pretty great, better than cumans bonus at very worst.
I FUCKING LOVE BURGUNDIANS
I LOVE GETTING ECO TECHS EARLY AND BURNING JOAN OF ARC ON A STICK
The "It's not that simple" Viper Meme with the Camels was just on point 😙👌🏻
And a great guide as usual, thanks man
Daut just put up a video "Knights beat pikemen". MBL was trying to build up crossbows while using pikemen to counter knights and going in with the same numbers was not good for the pikemen. Daut also was able to pick his fights leading to the win.
Really appreciate that this series works as a podcast too, visuals can be skipped altogether without taking away from the guide itself. 👍
but I love the visuals :'c
Great series. Looking forward to the rest of the Civilizations overview through the ultimate guide.
I personally like this style more as compared to the "so you want to play...." series as this is short and to the point.
Thumbs and great job 👍
Yo Hera, we need an ultimate guide to farming to get our mills looking this pretty. Learning to place farms in the late game or when pressured wouldn’t hurt either
+1
hes cheating, theres a mill placed on top of a farm in the middle
You might wanna go to T90 for impeccable farm placement tips...
No he needs to do video about how he places the farm so randomly in games :)
Can't believe u meet Juan Perotti today!! Amazing aoe crossover, the latin community of the game feel a special love for our casters, and watching u both together was great!!
Noooo tremendo!! Cómo es eso!??? Dónde lo puedo ver???
One thing I want to comment, is to try and save your hand cannons if possible, even if you are planning a tech switch. You never know if you're gonna need the revolution, and a couple of hand cannons sprinkled in with your siege is really powerful. Also, since you lack final archer armor, your militia would act as a great meatshield. So yeah, save your hand cannons
merci mon chou ♥i was just looking yesterday on your page for burgundian info
De rien mon ami
woa-woa-woa.. hold up. what farm sorcery is that in the opening scene?! that's not a fulwark, you can't get a perfect square of farms around a mill!
Or can u
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 we need this tutorial ASAP!
The ultimate guide series from the ultimate player
Great video as always. My favorite part was the reference to the Burgundian song...it's not that simple.
Burgundian paladin with hand cannons in back is a nasty composition.
Very insightful. Appreciate the map analysis, especially.
I like coustellier. I hide them in my castles and then when the enemy comes outside to siege down my castles, I send out trash hussars to distract opponent while my coustelliers quickly one shot siege. All the units then retreat back to castles to heal.
Killing it with the new content 🔥
I love how much effort you put into your little maps. They're so cool lol
Amazing video, nice to see this Hera, done a great job in this one. (and all the other videos) Keep up the good work!
Actually now a coustillier doesn't kill monk with one shot. The coustillier has 8+20 attack in castle age and monk has 30 hp.
Massive nerf that makes them much more manageable.
Yeah takes quite a bit of resources to pick up the 2 attack upgrades to one shot the monk...so early to late castle monks still work well against them.
1) Is tower rush your best option for early pressure? Possibly tower rush + scouts since you can get such a boost in a delayed feudal game by having castle eco techs?
2) something I've never seen explored is trying to go all-in feudal since every second both you are in feudal you are collecting an advantage by virtue of eco upgrades.
Yo hera can u also try to incorporate the best unit compositions for each civ as well one trash one gold oriented I know u already made a whole video of all of them but it be nice to have them here as well
Or a link to their section in that video.
Hera kept talking about how op coustiliers are until i decided to try them " although i did play burgundians a lot because i think their eco bonus is op as fk"
So yes i was like " fine burgundians hit and run, i did that a lot in high rank world of warcraft arena as a feral druid"
Little did i know, this fking shit charge is so op it two shots helbs and i castle age i one tap knighta then run back before they fan even attack fully lol
Great guide and great editing! Thanks a lot
Also, hwra if you read this, rhis gets a bit nerdy but i would love to see you make something out of it as you have the skill and experience to make it work.
An early game powerhouse burgundians strat would be very possible. i find it hard to understand the "slow start" statement. Getting double bit axe and chain saw for about 1.5 the price that others pay for it but with 4-6 mins of earlier returns from a discounted double bit axe. If double bit axe pays back in 4-6 mins depends on the number of lumberjacks then it pays even faster for burgundians. And since tou are getting the chainsaw for a discounted price too, you are technically getting paid back before you hit feudal with discounted double bit axe or early feudal and then chain saw puts you as far behind as everyone else but with a much higher eco boost. If we count a 20% wood bonus as a civ bonus since you had it in both dark and feudal and you paid for both as everyone else paid for one" again fuz double bit axe been paying off for a while"
Then with 20% wood bonus you should actually be ready to go 1 extra archery range above what anyone else is doing, so 3 for 2 , 2 for 1.. etc etc. Ofc all of that appliss to the discounted gold tech as it also should pay back fast.
We can easily calculate it too. Burgundians gold tech is about 140 rss, 67 for food and 75 wood. The gold gathering rate goes up by 3.4 per min per villager, and you need 4 for archer rushes generally. If you have 4 vils on gold for 8 mins on get 3.4 x 4"vils" per extra gold per min. Which adds up to 13.6 gold per min so in 8 mins "considering you got it in yout way up to feudal" you got about 13.6 x 8 = 116.8 gold around the time you've started hitting. Considering the VERY SLOW food collection rate, then you effectively collected more even.
So in other worda a discounted gold tech can almost pay back filly early to mid feudal age with 4 vils on gold.
Now our wood is boosted by 20% to begin with, and our gold by 15% which means if we commit 1 more on gold to begin with and 1 -2 more on wood we can easily manage 1 archery range spam or an alternative of 2 archers archery ranges and 1 skirms.
Now all of that, if you manage to take a few losses but jail both your self and the enemy in feudal age, eventually your tech bonuses would've paid back twice as much and now you are playing a game of powerhouse feudal. So there is no civ that can compete with an eco so powerful, enough to collect 20% extra wood, 15% extra gold which would've slowly crypt into unlocking the next gold and even the second farms upgradss as well ad other things.
All of that ofc is hard to do without skill as the ability to force a feudal all out war would be harder for average players compared to pros.
I can admit one thing though, the omly hard rush would be Drush.
But i would not mind towering up for the vills on wood.
are burgurdians more booming civ or agressive civ?
Super! Thank you so match
Np bro
Hi Hera, great video but I'm wondering if flemish revolution is not a bit of an extreme response to pikes, seems like theres no going back once you hit that tech
I like to get lumber upgrade early, and wheelbarrow just before the age up.
That way as soon as I hit feudal I can get hand cart. And hand cart in feudal is *insane*
thanks for the video, it's really good
I abuse this civ and poles in arena i think they are the 2best civs in closed maps.
Best maps for Burgundian: Wolf Hill, Holy Line
Did you mention how crazy good the early paladin timing can be? :)
I am missing the recorded playbacks on the civ you highlighted. Only been subbed to you for a month or so. Been subbed to spirit for 3 years. Could you spin a co-vid IE 2nd channel on your excellent game play as you release a civ how to play?
Slowly working thru your back catalogue as TH-cam suggest you. I HATE live games, why I don't use twitch. But your considered game play ie comments on a game you put out a year ago really helps with my games. Theory and demonstrate from one source.
Will never get to top level play, not enough time and practice. But those theory and show videos have got me 200 Elo advance in last quarter to just above 1k.
♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Edit spelling thought Elo was eleo
BTW I do watch a channel for a long time before subbing. Too many channels and not enough time!
Hey @Hera, great vid as always. Roughly how long does it take you to make a video like this incl editing etc? Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪👍👍
Hmm considering changing my go-to Arena civ from Bohemians to Burgundians. Thoughts on which is better for Arena?
Probably pretty similar depending on opponent and play-style.
Burgundians are better with their power spikes and faster economy allowing them to cripple their opponent by early in Imperial.
But if you get to an end game death ball stage without taking much damage I will take the mass Houfnice.
i personally think burgundians are top 5 civ in closed maps like arena, but too slow for open agressive maps like arabia
So the Flemish Revolution is basically the equivalent of Age of Mythology Norse Ragnarok or Age of Empires III Revolution from the motherland (playing as Europeans)
What you can do better? Share your opinion on some techs, such as the vineyard. Is it only worth it in Arena when you receive no pressure or do you see any other application?
Vineyard is good when you are entering a protracted trash war and you have insane farm numbers (40+). Before this point you can't justify the food expenditure on a tech with a terrible payoff. However, unlike the Vietnamese wood to gold tech, vineyards does actually pay off well in post imp low gold. You are getting 1-3 extra relics of gold, which is huge. I can't think of a scenario where you get this in castle age however.
@@forsakenquery Thank you for your reply, I understand it better now. Those post-imp fights when you have 40+ secured farms are quite rare in 1v1 open map. Maybe it’s more useful in closed map and in 3v3 if trade is hard to get. Very situational indeed.
@@plain6677 yeah i played arena ffa had 95 farms and it wasn't that useful tbh
I liked the name "So you wanna play" more, miss that :)
can u make the same awesome guide for Bulgarians?
I am wondering if coustillier/hand cannoneer would be a better comp in castle. Of course this is a double gold units but considering Burgundians have trash... trash. You need to go hard for relics and usually they end up being split up. Both of these units would be good for pulshing and killing eco.
I mean, why not just go straight paladin in castle in that case?
@@forsakenquery Do you mean cavalier in castle? Paladin would need to be teched into after accumulating some resources for it. To amend my statement. Coustillier/crossbows in castle (HC not available) coustillier/hand cannon in early Imp if facing pikemen/halb and then paladins in mid Imp.
@@mikelivingood7797 no, I was just just being sarcastic as you proposed HC in castle :)
@@forsakenquery Damn, Bohemians get me all mixed up.
All hail the Dutch
Sick
is it worth using wheelbarrow in dark age?
Sorry for a little off topic, but is anyone else having an issue with the Discord invite link?
hello, i just updated the link. can you check and confirm if it's working properly?
@@K1AoE it works. Thanks!
What to do on nomad when they castle drop Coustiller and you don't have a strong castle uu to compete?
please do Byzantines next.
Celts guide please!
Hi, I cannot join the discord, it always says that the link is invalid.
I know they expire, but I tried this one 2 hours after it was posted.
I have entered and left your discord before, maybe this is a problem? Thanks!
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Ban all new civs
I still kinda dislike this civ... but I recognize the game is overall very fair and so I see it as a good challenge to try to beat them