For those who do not know the man executing the techniques is the legendary Masahiko Kimura who broke Helio Gracie's arm in a fight in 1951 with a technique that has his name now.
Beautiful technique, I like the open guard sweep. He is indeed one of best newaza specialist in his time. I wish these techniques are taught in modern judo.
Actually both BJJ and Judo are a derivation of the older JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu). Brazilian Jiu-jitsu emphasizes the ground fight, further developing the ne-waza ground techniques of Jiu-jitsu. Modern Judo on the other hand emphasizes the stand up fight with the objective of throwing the opponent (nage-waza). It's said that BJJ historically came via Judo because the guy that taught the brazilians was a Judoka, but many of the techniques formalized by Judo were already found in JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu).
21stRevelation Dude Your Full Of Shit THE JAPANESE ASKED THE GRACIES NOT TO CALL JUDO, BJJ BUT THEY DIDN'T LISTEN AND JAPAN PUSHED JUDO HEAVY IN BRAZIL, CAUSE OF THAT..HELIO STUDY JU JUTSU & KOSEN JUDO That's Why There Always Pushing Self Defense..And Helio Was A Fucking Blue Belt, It's Not Like He Was A Grand Master In Those Styles...Mixed With CCAC
*Kosen Judo* is a subset of the original ruleset made by the Kodokan Institute during the late 19th century. Due the inception of Fusen Ryu Jujutsu into the Kodokan Judo curriculum in 1888, Founder Jigoro Kano and most of his blackbelt protégés fused the concepts of Nage Waza (Standup Techniques) and Katame Waza (Ground Techniques), which, we now herald it as today’s current Judo format. In this format, the masters of both Fusen Ryu and Kodokan Judo created other techniques to add into its ground technique arsenal. This led to the invention of both Shime Waza (choking techniques) and Kansetsu Waza (Joint Locking Techniques). The original ruleset of Shiai (competition matches), before the 1925/1st edition of rules used by the Kodokan and IJF, was that in order to score for an ippon, Tori (attacker) must do a clean throw against Uke (opponent). However, since an opponent knows how to neutralize any throwing technique, the fight eventually goes to the ground where both grappling exchanges continue. This is where Kosen Judo and the Brazilian style of ‘Judo’ (or “popularly known as” Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) came from. In Japan, during the early 1900’s, most of the competitions in both High School and University came to establish the original ruleset before 1925. A transcription of the original rules can be seen, on this link: judoinfo.com/rules.htm Kano made strides to revise the rules in a competition. He saw the need to restructure the winning conditions in order to prevent confusion and have a more systematic method of playing his invented combat sport. By this reason, Judo matches of today resemble the basic structure of that ruleset: a) Scoring in a Judo match involves: koka (1/4 point), yuko (1/2 point), waza-ari (3/4 point), and ippon (full point). b) Penalties in a Judo match to mandate errors are: shido (1st penalty), chui (2nd penalty), keikoku (3rd and final warning), and hansoku make (disqualification) c) Methods/ways to win a Judo match are: full throw (ippon), osaekomi (pinning), choke, joint lock, or disqualification. d) To prevent injuries occurring to both combatants, since the techniques are susceptible to dislocate, or asphyxiate an opponent. Despite the rules implemented in 1925, Kano kept the original rules. Thus the term Kosen came to its Judo curriculum. The objective of Kosen Judo is to train junior practitioners of this sport (particularly, high school students) in the old traditions of Judo. Thus, the idea of less standup and more newaza was utilized regardless of the ‘advanced’ rules created by the Kodokan. Many Japanese Judokas have thrived of the old and traditional ruleset. One of them is Masahiko Kimura. In the case of Mitsuyo Maeda, he is a practitioner of both Kosen and Kodokan Judo rulesets. However, the ideas of BJJ rules (to which Helio Gracie claims to have invented it all, yet totally false!) were not derived from Kosen Judo. But rather, the rules are based from the original rules used during the early days of the Kodokan. In essence, both Kosen Judo and BJJ are sister arts. Its flagship or “mother art” is coming from the old school competition style of Kodokan Judo in the late 1800’s. For further information, visit the following links: (1) Judo History by M. Tripp: web.archive.org/web/20120204191750/members.multimania.co.uk/fight/judo/judo.html (2) Evolution of Judo Contest Rules by Neil Ohlenkamp: judoinfo.com/rules2.htm BTW, if you guys want to know what Kosen Judo is today, here's a TH-cam link that may give some 'perspective': th-cam.com/video/cqp3JvtrlPs/w-d-xo.html
please site your source for the fusen ryu... There is alot of documentation out there stating other wise (easy to google it) .. and that it was only 1 fusen ryu practitioner
And Kodokan Judo is a derivation of the older JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu), many of the techniques formalized by Judo were already found in JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu). Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is nothing more than a specialization of the ground fight ne-waza aspect of JuJutsu/Judo. While modern Judo on the other hand has abandoned the ground aspect and emphasizes the stand up fight with the objective of throwing the opponent (nage-waza).
@Zachary Desroches Nope, actually both BJJ and Judo are a derivation of the older JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu). Brazilian Jiu-jitsu emphasizes the ground fight, further developing the ne-waza ground techniques of Jiu-jitsu. Modern Judo on the other hand emphasizes the stand up fight with the objective of throwing the opponent (nage-waza). It's said that BJJ historically came via Judo because the guy that taught the brazilians was a Judoka, but many of the techniques formalized by Judo were already found in JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu).
I am sure Kimura just hap hazardly attacked subs,throws and named positions just because. Judo has had strategy for it ground work and always had. BJJ has helped evolve a already known ground game and brought the spotlight on it. I respect them for that. But they didn't event the wheel. And totally agree no one has a monopoly on technique.
My understanding is that kosen judo is a ruleset that allows one to initiate newaza more easily and to continue until someone submits. All of the techniques are identical to the groundwork we do where I train. The reason Kosen came about, I've been told, is because the technical colleges where it was performed there were no judo tatamis.
For those who do not know the man executing the techniques is the legendary Masahiko Kimura who broke Helio Gracie's arm in a fight in 1951 with a technique that has his name now.
Ude Garami. He looked like he was in his 70s already, but still in shape.
everything which bjj has,came from kosen judo.wow!
15:40 Guillotine from mount
22:21 Omoplata
24:08 Pulling collar sleeve guard and triangle
Beautiful technique, I like the open guard sweep. He is indeed one of best newaza specialist in his time. I wish these techniques are taught in modern judo.
BJJ = Basically Just Judo
King Judo !!!
Actually both BJJ and Judo are a derivation of the older JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu). Brazilian Jiu-jitsu emphasizes the ground fight, further developing the ne-waza ground techniques of Jiu-jitsu. Modern Judo on the other hand emphasizes the stand up fight with the objective of throwing the opponent (nage-waza). It's said that BJJ historically came via Judo because the guy that taught the brazilians was a Judoka, but many of the techniques formalized by Judo were already found in JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu).
This is why i do judo.
ありがとうございました。
Basically Japanese Jujitsu/Judo is what BJJ stands for.
21stRevelation Dude Your Full Of Shit THE JAPANESE ASKED THE GRACIES NOT TO CALL JUDO, BJJ BUT THEY DIDN'T LISTEN AND JAPAN PUSHED JUDO HEAVY IN BRAZIL, CAUSE OF THAT..HELIO STUDY JU JUTSU & KOSEN JUDO That's Why There Always Pushing Self Defense..And Helio Was A Fucking Blue Belt, It's Not Like He Was A Grand Master In Those Styles...Mixed With CCAC
Helio didn't study kosen judo, you moron.
X-Pass is older than I thought!
*Kosen Judo* is a subset of the original ruleset made by the Kodokan Institute during the late 19th century. Due the inception of Fusen Ryu Jujutsu into the Kodokan Judo curriculum in 1888, Founder Jigoro Kano and most of his blackbelt protégés fused the concepts of Nage Waza (Standup Techniques) and Katame Waza (Ground Techniques), which, we now herald it as today’s current Judo format. In this format, the masters of both Fusen Ryu and Kodokan Judo created other techniques to add into its ground technique arsenal. This led to the invention of both Shime Waza (choking techniques) and Kansetsu Waza (Joint Locking Techniques).
The original ruleset of Shiai (competition matches), before the 1925/1st edition of rules used by the Kodokan and IJF, was that in order to score for an ippon, Tori (attacker) must do a clean throw against Uke (opponent). However, since an opponent knows how to neutralize any throwing technique, the fight eventually goes to the ground where both grappling exchanges continue. This is where Kosen Judo and the Brazilian style of ‘Judo’ (or “popularly known as” Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) came from.
In Japan, during the early 1900’s, most of the competitions in both High School and University came to establish the original ruleset before 1925. A transcription of the original rules can be seen, on this link: judoinfo.com/rules.htm
Kano made strides to revise the rules in a competition. He saw the need to restructure the winning conditions in order to prevent confusion and have a more systematic method of playing his invented combat sport. By this reason, Judo matches of today resemble the basic structure of that ruleset:
a) Scoring in a Judo match involves: koka (1/4 point), yuko (1/2 point), waza-ari (3/4 point), and ippon (full point).
b) Penalties in a Judo match to mandate errors are: shido (1st penalty), chui (2nd penalty), keikoku (3rd and final warning), and hansoku make (disqualification)
c) Methods/ways to win a Judo match are: full throw (ippon), osaekomi (pinning), choke, joint lock, or disqualification.
d) To prevent injuries occurring to both combatants, since the techniques are susceptible to dislocate, or asphyxiate an opponent.
Despite the rules implemented in 1925, Kano kept the original rules. Thus the term Kosen came to its Judo curriculum. The objective of Kosen Judo is to train junior practitioners of this sport (particularly, high school students) in the old traditions of Judo. Thus, the idea of less standup and more newaza was utilized regardless of the ‘advanced’ rules created by the Kodokan.
Many Japanese Judokas have thrived of the old and traditional ruleset. One of them is Masahiko Kimura.
In the case of Mitsuyo Maeda, he is a practitioner of both Kosen and Kodokan Judo rulesets. However, the ideas of BJJ rules (to which Helio Gracie claims to have invented it all, yet totally false!) were not derived from Kosen Judo. But rather, the rules are based from the original rules used during the early days of the Kodokan.
In essence, both Kosen Judo and BJJ are sister arts. Its flagship or “mother art” is coming from the old school competition style of Kodokan Judo in the late 1800’s.
For further information, visit the following links:
(1) Judo History by M. Tripp: web.archive.org/web/20120204191750/members.multimania.co.uk/fight/judo/judo.html
(2) Evolution of Judo Contest Rules by Neil Ohlenkamp: judoinfo.com/rules2.htm
BTW, if you guys want to know what Kosen Judo is today, here's a TH-cam link that may give some 'perspective': th-cam.com/video/cqp3JvtrlPs/w-d-xo.html
please site your source for the fusen ryu... There is alot of documentation out there stating other wise (easy to google it) .. and that it was only 1 fusen ryu practitioner
And Kodokan Judo is a derivation of the older JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu), many of the techniques formalized by Judo were already found in JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu). Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is nothing more than a specialization of the ground fight ne-waza aspect of JuJutsu/Judo. While modern Judo on the other hand has abandoned the ground aspect and emphasizes the stand up fight with the objective of throwing the opponent (nage-waza).
"Kosen Judo - The original BJJ" add that to your title
Kosen is a rule set, not a separate system from Kodokan Judo.
BloodofPatriots so under that particular rule set it is essentially BJJ?
@Zachary Desroches Nope, actually both BJJ and Judo are a derivation of the older JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu). Brazilian Jiu-jitsu emphasizes the ground fight, further developing the ne-waza ground techniques of Jiu-jitsu. Modern Judo on the other hand emphasizes the stand up fight with the objective of throwing the opponent (nage-waza). It's said that BJJ historically came via Judo because the guy that taught the brazilians was a Judoka, but many of the techniques formalized by Judo were already found in JuJutsu (Jiu-jitsu).
Classic stuff- always stick with what works!
Love this. So clean and joy to watch..
I am sure Kimura just hap hazardly attacked subs,throws and named positions just because.
Judo has had strategy for it ground work and always had. BJJ has helped evolve a already known ground game and brought the spotlight on it. I respect them for that. But they didn't event the wheel. And totally agree no one has a monopoly on technique.
Soooo, I was hoping someone who speakes Japanese could translate this thing and add the subs...
Brasil e assim mesmo pegaram a técnica do kosen judô e transformaram no jiu jitsu kkkkk tudo veio do japao
@Roberson Calegari Vedovello , opaaaaa... Carlos e Hélio eram de Belém do Pará!rs
Judo is awesome if u have the right teacher
sorry but all I see here is just JUDO, in olimpics and in practice....JUST JUDO...
I also see the same Judo i grew up playing
I've only at two judo clubs but at both we do guard work. In competition your time to work in the guard is limited but it's still there.
Not really Brazilian at all.
yea its where BJJ came from
@dash im Hans
hey wait a sec, do you mean to say that bjj is actually judo?? /s
My understanding is that kosen judo is a ruleset that allows one to initiate newaza more easily and to continue until someone submits. All of the techniques are identical to the groundwork we do where I train. The reason Kosen came about, I've been told, is because the technical colleges where it was performed there were no judo tatamis.
Amazing vídeo. Thank's. :)
how many styles of judo are there?
There's only one Judo, but several rule sets. Olympic/IJF, Kosen Universities, Freestyle, etc.