I always hated fanning and doubling an Uppercut because I didn't hit a single shot with it. Then once I killed two guys threw a bush without even really seeing them with fanning. I find it's more luck than skill to hit with it.
It's possible as a last option against a rush but you shouldn't hold the trigger. Best weapon for fanning in my opinion is the Nagant, the fire rate is just insane.
@@BaselFPS I always run knuckles and have fought off many packs of dogs with them. If you don’t hit a headshot on the dog they don’t die immediately but a follow up jab or light attack will finish them off. Also the knuckles are way more forgiving with stamina which it’s easy to miss a lot on dogs if you panic and don’t time your hits correctly. Nothing worse than running out of stam on dogs
The knife is the perfect weapon for dogs. You get 4 heavy strikes, and dogs come in groups of 4 maximum. You can hit them anywhere and they'll go down, so when you're in a firefight and a pack of dogs comes at you, the knife is your best friend. Dusters require far more concentration and precision to dispatch dogs quickly, so it's fine when doing map traversal but when you're fighting players at the same time you want to reduce that cognitive load.
I’ve been using the concertina bomb as a silent grenade. Ppl can’t hear it flying at them and will one shot hunters. Light Foot and Necromancer are always in my load out whether I play with friends or playing with randoms.
I use fuesees in night maps, I can't hear it coming, can't see it cause I'm blind and it crashes my game (and my team's games) if I spam all 4 in one area
@@cej3940 i got more kills on the combat axe and meme stuff than the actual good stuff tbh. romero, combat axe, all crossbows, way more fun than meta slaving
Your channel is incredibly underrated. You have taught me so many useful tips and strategies. The way you explain and show evidence of how it could be done is very well structured. Keep it up guys!
Instead of the choosing between the uppercut and the dolch, I’d often use the Caldwell conversion pair. It is comparable to the dolch’s damage & ammo capacity, but still retains the aesthetic of the uppercut.
I don’t watch streams or anything other than for Hunt drop events, but I connected my prime to a twitch account specifically to sub to you on there. Really appreciate and enjoy your Hunt content; I use it extensively to try to get better and see the game from new angles. Thanks for all the hard work you put into researching/producing these, man.
I think it would be good a video of “how to team work” what I mean is how to play whit your team in a more effective way, do we just stay together all time, or we split in fights, may be sounds dump, but I like to know some strategies too be a better team mate
My favourite setup atm is specter and winfield vandal deadeye with high velocity ammo, steady hand, deadeye scopesmith, quartermaster (obviously) and levering, I would go for more stealth perks but it's quite a difficult load out to get already if you're as aggressive as me
Personally I like Fanning on the Uppercut, it’s pretty good in defensive positions when some wants to rush you. You just need to pull your mouse down a bit and you’re fine xD
About Lightfoot: there is a gunsmackk technique that is ridiculously powerful. Basically you aim down sights, jump 3 times, stop aiming then jump another 2 times sprinting. This way you cover around 15 meters making TWO footstep sounds. It lands me free shotgun and melee kills all the time, and also lets me circle around entire buildings without the enemy having any idea. Honestly I hope it gets patched, because when a player knows how to abuse this there is no real way to counter it.
I second the use of frags. I've experimented with almost every throwable in the game, and I've gotten more kills with frags than anything else. They're the perfect PvP weapon for getting people out of cover or for just punishing campers who suck at peeking but somehow keep avoiding your shots.
Me: Doesn't have lightfoot but needs to climb a ladder for optimal flank. Also Me: Lightfoot? THIS RECORD PLAYER IS MY LIGHTFOOT! CAN'T HEAR THE LADDER IF THERE'S MUSIC PLAYING I actually just pulled this move off at C A Lumber today. Never, EVER sleep on your environment folks. You can find amazing flank routes that aren't normally possible if you use things to your advantage.
Also, really? Shotguns not good at penetration? 4FS please, a Shotgun once you're in its range will penetrate well enough to one tap. Especially within 7m. Maximum Romero range is pushing it for sure, but the penetration power of shotguns are no joke. Sure long ammo rifles are technically better at it, but shotguns are incredibly lethal once you're in their range, and most of the thin wood walls will not save you from a shotgun blast. Long ammo rifles hold the strength in longer range penetration. But shotguns within 10m usually will win. Unless it is the romero hatchet or the le mat's secondary shotgun.
For traits Beast face is a must. Silence is the best and most powerful weapon in hunt. I feel people underestimate how much of an advantage you have if the other teams aren't even aware you are on the map.
I forced myself to get used to sniper scopes by doing a prestige of sparks only (I felt like my aim was bad, so having a rifle that only has 1 bullet meant I had to hit my shots) Sparks Sniper became my fav gun, then hailstorm came out and I simply had to get it ASAP...
Fanning works fine if people let the reticle settle a bit. They think it means you can shoot as quickly as possible. That's wrong. It let's you put out a second shot before your opponent can recover from the aim punch. Let the gun settle unless your gun is inside them already. Even then you will peobably miss at full spam.
What are your thoughts about Mosin + winnie vandal? It´s my favourite loadout rn. Basically budget dolch, but u need experienced hunter with iron repeater and levering to make it work.
It's certainly decent, but it will make ammo for your mosin more of a consideration, and having to take repeater/quatermaster is a heavy tax, but it would definitely provide an edge up close.
Nice video, but the statement about the knife having more range than the other melee tools is not true, according to the lead game designer. Psychoghost talked about it in one of his recent videos.
So in theory, Dennis is right, they all have the same range, but the arc of the swing means that at the point you are aiming the knife hitbox goes further than the other melee tools, I have tested this pretty extensively, and in practice the knife does have an advantage when it comes to the range at which it can reliably connect.
The knuckle knife is similar for pvp, just with less damage if you hit the chest. Where it really falls down is reliably killing dogs, I just prefer the knife in general.
It's in the official discord somewhere, around the time when the last frag bomb nerf went on test servers. You can try searching by keywords, someone put together some great screenshots.
I did with stamina cause otherwise it is useless imo... Until I stab a guy in his back exactly at the center so "reserve chest hit" but he survived, he was even on fire but yet he then does a 180 and kills me in 2 hit of dual Pax! We all 3 died to this 1 lucky guy, it was absolute BS. It says since the last buff that it should be a 1 hit kill but doesn't always and if it don't then you die so I don't take the risk anymore. It's Martiny Riposte or no bayonet.
I know it's extremely hard to do, but I hope crytek is able to even out the balance some in the game. Right now, the mozin is really just miles above every other rifle, and the uppercut and dolch are the same for secondaries. I still have a ton of fun running with less meta loadouts, but it would be awesome if those loadouts were just a little more viable. Regardless, Hunt is my favorite game coming up on like two years, and I hope it gets more attention and recognition like it deserves!
You are wrong my dude. On a 1 KD of skill level you can kill with everything if you have straight hands. Not the weapon that is important, but how well you used to it.
Uppercut needs a damage nerf. 130 dmg on a small slot weapon is too much. 124 or 120 would still make it pack a punch but would disallow it to 1 tap 125 hp hunters and would close the gap to the Pax/Conversion a bit. Reduce spare ammo to 6 shots so it actually feels like a weapon that rewards careful shots. As for the Mosin....tough. It feels too good in too many places, smooth in every way. Fast reload, good dmg, no sway. Adjusting price would be useless since money is not an issue most of the time. I'm at a loss regarding the Mosin.
@@wisewizard9552 Somewhat right but long ammo is basically easy mode. Compact often needs more than 2 shots if you hit the limbs once, medium is just compact + in that regard. Long allows you a 2 tap even at longer ranges and a limb shot most of the time. I rarely feel challenged when using long ammo, hence why I enjoy medium/compact more. Ironically rewards aim more than long-long.
fuses is better than flaregun, cheaper and also doesnt make a sound wearas the flaregun has an audible noise up to like 50m or something, you can also blind people better with fuses if they're looking down one angle you need to push etc. Also easier to hit lanterns above dog cages with the fuses.
how is it easier exactly? fusees have the path drawn out lmao, you literally can't miss, no reload if you have multiple husks, and how is it faster? the projectile might reach the target half a second before sure, but who cares? once you send it at them you turn your attention away anyway... so a cheaper alternative with no reload no sound and a reticle for hitting kennels easy isnt the 100% upgrade for you.
Good video. Would you recommend the whole team to take this loadout? Like maybe in trios have someone take a shotgun or something else? Just incase you want to tryhard with a premade team.
i have noticed that 4fs really seems to value the ability to have a lot of ammo and to be able to get loads of ammo back from pick ups. personally i would never pair a mosin with a uppercut because i see no reason to do it. You already have a powerful weapon in the mosin to take a uppercut with it feels like a waste. I prefer taking the officer or the pax with fanning since both of those really help in cqc and are more then capable of finishing of players hit with a mosin. As far as the ammo thing well it must be a difference in playstyle because i dont usually find my self needing more ammo in my fights
My philosophy is that you miss every shot you don't take. Having an abundance of ammo means you can take risky shots more often with less consequence, you can probe through walls and bushes fishing for hitmarkers, and just keep firing and keep up pressure. This has led to so many excellent kills, just through sheer luck. Also, taking a pax or officer might seem nice because then you have a cqc balance to the loadout, but you are still going to loose to large slot dedicated cqc weapons or a dolch. By limiting your cqc options you are much more likely to play to the actual strengths of your loadout and maintain better positioning instead of trying to stave off that shotgun rush with a fanning pax.
I gotta say I disagree with you a bit about fanning. The disadvantage of the knife is that it is completely countered by any long melee weapon, such as bayonets, and it is also not so great against shotguns unless they miss and have a lower firerate like with the Specter, but if they have a caldwell, your chances go even further down. Fanning makes it so you actually have a chance against melee attackers, and also helps somewhat against shotguns, as you can aim-punch them and force them to miss their shot, and make a quick follow-up hit yourself. It's less effective with the Uppercut, but is still more effective than the knife. And, if you have a lot of trouble with close fights, you can instead take the regular conversion, which means you don't get the extra ammo of the Uppercut, but your fanning becomes the best in the game (though the Pax has a claim for the top spot) due to its incredible recoil, accuracy, and fire rate.
I'd still rather use the knife and save the trait slot for something more useful, I used to use fanning a lot with this loadout, but I have never once regretted not taking it since I stopped. It's just my experience, but fanning seems really overrated these days.
@@4FSGaming Yeah the fact you don't need a trait is a big plus, no doubt. Though I feel if you have the trait points to spare it's worth it to use fanning over knives if you don't know what weapon enemy hunters have, so you don't end up getting stabbed by a bayonet or instantly killed by a shotgun you didn't expect. But yeah, I think they nerfed fanning more recently and everything, so it's not as comparable to shotguns anymore.
Ill talk about it in more detail when I make an updated trait video, but it just seems that there are so many better options than fanning for cqc these days. In the beginning fanning was very strong, only rivaled by shotguns, the avtomat, and a lucky melee in cqc, then they added the officer, bornheim, levering, dual wielding, and nerfed the accuracy of fanning on top of that. Melee has been improved through the silent killer and whispersmith trait as well, which allows you to prepare a rush without any audible warning, so you can really get the jump on people. But yeah, I would never knife rush someone with a shotgun unless I knew they were distracted.
@@4FSGaming Yeah, there are many better options often. I suppose the main advantages of fanning are that it uses a compact weapon, so you can use a bolt action in your primary slot instead (though you can get quartermaster sometimes and use a hand cannon), and also fanning uses the cheapest pistols, revolvers, and makes uppercuts useful in CQC. Also, I think fanning is a little better than the semi-autos and the Officer when close enough, because of the increased fire rate, which outperforms the accuracy of those when close enough. Oh, and don't forget, fanning beats knives in the case of attacking someone else with a melee weapon. I'd rather have fanning with the Uppercut even than try to use a knife against someone with a bayonet or an axe. So, if you are dedicated to the Mosin-Uppercut build, I think fanning is a good choice once you get all the other traits you need, though I think a Mosin Bayonet is also a good choice because it equalizes melee fights, and easily counters knife rushes.
i can hs with vetterli easy at max range and nearly every shot hits i dont know why but in closer combat i get a bit panic and my aim sucks its unbelivable
Just a question - maybe I don’t get the joke or that it may actually do something I didn’t know about- but why would you want to shoot your teammate with a flare gun at the end of match?! Haha
I think the knife is a litte bit too good. Even against the bomb lance and saber I still squeeze out a trade with my 20$ knife. They should either reduce the range on it or increase the range on the other melee weapons where you would have more range. Or give the machete, saber and combat axe a right click block. The knife just costs 20$, fits in a toolslot and outperforms all these weapons.
Usually just go around them, but flare pistol can take them out as well. If you run past them and they go off it usually doesn't matter as long as you move on to the next area quickly regardless.
1. I have played since the start of early access, gunslinger is a much newer addition to make Hunt more accessible mainly to console players 2. It provides a third option for FoV, so my passive FoV while moving around is wider than gunslinger with the same settings, while allowing me to match the tighter FoV when hip firing or aiming down sights 3. In gunslinger, your weapon will protrude through walls a lot, as it is always sticking straight out in front of you, this means it is really easy to locate and wall bang people with this setup unless they are extremely conscious of their positioning 4. The melee controls are much better in Hunter, as you have more control over movement abilities while charging a melee. This can be overcome if the Gunslinger melee button is mapped to a spare mouse button, but these are usually in high demand. Gunslinger is there to make the game more appealing to new players not used to Hunt's original control scheme, but I highly recommend transitioning to Hunter when possible.
It's basically the same loadout, just budget-size. You don't get the wallbang power, and your total range is worse, but if you're comfortable taking the midrange wiggle-fights on a regular basis it can do a lot of the same stuff.
You mentioned that this is your 'sweaty' load out, but you seem sweaty every video I see you in. I'm not sure I've ever seen you post a 'chill' game. I do appreciate your intensity though. nice video
I will run with any gun. Recently just started using free hunters for shits and giggles. But my buddy and I don't have the best aim, so I carry a weak vitality shot, liquid fire bomb, and 2 concertina bombs. Burn a body, concertina it. Almost never have to worry about that guy getting up. Cancer, I know.
I love this game my favourite multiplayer i a long time..pity it doesn't get more love off more people...it would be great if they made it a free to play now so we could get a bigger of number of players playing
you think you don't like your random teammates now? imagine the ftp trash that would infest servers, not to mention cheaters.. I hope it never goes ftp, I saw it on sale last time for 10 bucks, if someone doesn't think it's worth 10 bucks, they should just play something else.. this is one of the few great games at the moment, ftp means more aggressive mTx and everyone hates that
@@sebb1652 My point is that even if you win with the full loadout he talks about you will not get profit. And if you do it's very small. If you run sparks pax then you will gain money from a success. The point of bounty hunt is to extract with the bounty and get a lot of money. Sure this loadout is high performance but it almost guarantees that you will lose even if you win. I want to emphasize that I said I don't understand *consistently* running a loadout that's worth a nitro.
@@misterdanny8644 the point is you run a much higher chance of winning, not just once, but repeatedly over and over again. Hunt is a game of winning by small margins more often than not. And if you consistently out margin every encounter than you stand to gain a lot more in the long haul by doing so. Running these top tier loadouts also helps play the odds outnumbered as well. The drawback for having this strength is upfront cost. If you're not good enough to leverage the power it has, then it's worth nothing.
I like to play guns like the winfield and the handcrossbow. I'm always laughing when I headshot a dolch and crown & king guy with the handcrossbow and I'm not sad of loosing a lot of money when I die.
@@bennig.3553 I mean great, if you get your kicks that way then by all means. Just know that skill for skill match up, loadouts like these will win the fight far more often.
Please, stop praising the meta loadout. All loadouts are valid, and lethal. Use the variety the game has to offer... Nobody needs you to enforce 'USE MOSIN-UPPERCUT', we all know it's valid already...
I play an enormous variety of load outs, and the focus of this video is mostly using this kind of setup at closer ranges, hence the amount of discussion around tools and consumables.
@@4FSGaming Mosin, Uppercut Knife, medkit, chokes Vit shots, Frags. So 100% sweaty meta that I encounter every match. Sorry, but nobody needs to be recommended that. The only original tool here is the flare gun.
Gotta be honest, getting real tired of all the Dolch hate... yes it's the best sidearm, but its price also reflects it. Also it wont headshot as far as a Winfield, and carries a lot less ammo, both in mag as well as in total (not to mention availability on map), so it isn't down right superior to it. I hardly ever use the Dolch myself, not because I feel it's cheesy, but because I prefer lower price load outs in general (I like looting). If I want a fast firing follow up weapon I generally choose the officer brawler, which in general will two shot players as well within 30 m, which is way beyond shotgun range. So in short, is the Dolch great? Yes. Is it OP ? No, there are many ways around it, and it has several weaknesses to exploit. Catch a shotgun + dolch player beyond 60 m with a mosin, lebel or vetterli and you should win, beyond 90 m and you better damn win or you're a shitty shot.
The reason the dolch is ridiculous isnt because you pair it with shotguns, it's because you pair it with a mosin sniper and still have a weapon that will outclass almost all dedicated cqc primaries if you get pushed.
@@StayFractalesque It's your point of view. This loadout is really expensive, and it sucks at close and medium range. So for me yes there are tons of "better" loadouts, more polyvalent and cheaper than this one.
Mosin+ uppercut? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Get out of here! Dolch top tier CQC weapon? HAHAHAHHAHAHA *Laughs in double barrel* although 2 heals with 2 nades? No fire, no ANTIDOTE? Man, I should really start running poison builds to hunt guys like you.
Antidote is pretty bad these days, it doesn't even reduce poison damage from anything but clouds anymore, and the dolch is absolutely preferable to the double barrel as long as you stay 15m away.
I tried fanning on the uppercut once. Key word. Once
I always hated fanning and doubling an Uppercut because I didn't hit a single shot with it. Then once I killed two guys threw a bush without even really seeing them with fanning. I find it's more luck than skill to hit with it.
That's the problem firing anything in Hunt from the hip.. its an RNG fest.
It's possible as a last option against a rush but you shouldn't hold the trigger. Best weapon for fanning in my opinion is the Nagant, the fire rate is just insane.
@@reverendharrypowell2390 i really just prefer the caldwell conversion
Mosin and level are the ONLY time I run double long, sparks and martini have enough in reserve
Brass Knuckles can instantly down a hunter with a headshot, however, hornskin will reduce the damage. So the Knife will always be more consistent.
Another great point!
Let me hear you opinion about knuckles when hounds attack you in the middle of the fight
@@BaselFPS I always run knuckles and have fought off many packs of dogs with them. If you don’t hit a headshot on the dog they don’t die immediately but a follow up jab or light attack will finish them off. Also the knuckles are way more forgiving with stamina which it’s easy to miss a lot on dogs if you panic and don’t time your hits correctly. Nothing worse than running out of stam on dogs
The knife is the perfect weapon for dogs. You get 4 heavy strikes, and dogs come in groups of 4 maximum. You can hit them anywhere and they'll go down, so when you're in a firefight and a pack of dogs comes at you, the knife is your best friend. Dusters require far more concentration and precision to dispatch dogs quickly, so it's fine when doing map traversal but when you're fighting players at the same time you want to reduce that cognitive load.
@@4FSGaming I swear I’ve seen a 5-6 pack of dog a couple times. Possibly two packs near each other? #unlucky?
I’ve been using the concertina bomb as a silent grenade. Ppl can’t hear it flying at them and will one shot hunters. Light Foot and Necromancer are always in my load out whether I play with friends or playing with randoms.
I use fuesees in night maps, I can't hear it coming, can't see it cause I'm blind and it crashes my game (and my team's games) if I spam all 4 in one area
A day ago I performed a filthy flick with the derringer and killed a sweat lord. I felt super filthy.
*F I L T H*
I LOVE this comment!
combat axing an avtomat will forever be my best moment
@@Shaggy87781 You dirty, dirty bastard
I love it
@@cej3940 i got more kills on the combat axe and meme stuff than the actual good stuff tbh. romero, combat axe, all crossbows, way more fun than meta slaving
Great vid man just got back into hunt and videos like this really help me understand the meta and how I should play keep up the good vids!
Winfield and officer pistol is the best loadout early game IMO.
I never have time to use mosin to often as I prestige instantly
any benefit to prestige?
@@ColdfFlare You get some skins you can only get from prestiging. Other than that your prestige level is nothing but a number.
Your channel is incredibly underrated. You have taught me so many useful tips and strategies. The way you explain and show evidence of how it could be done is very well structured. Keep it up guys!
Instead of the choosing between the uppercut and the dolch, I’d often use the Caldwell conversion pair. It is comparable to the dolch’s damage & ammo capacity, but still retains the aesthetic of the uppercut.
Played with a Spectre/LeMat combo with flashes, chokes and poison grenades and got consistent ambush reversals (trios)
Love them to death
Yeah man! Le mat is my favorite secondary
I don’t watch streams or anything other than for Hunt drop events, but I connected my prime to a twitch account specifically to sub to you on there. Really appreciate and enjoy your Hunt content; I use it extensively to try to get better and see the game from new angles. Thanks for all the hard work you put into researching/producing these, man.
that's really nice carter
Great vid man. Informational and enough gameplay to prove your points. Keep em coming!
Winfield silenced nagant with fanning and levering trait as well as iron repeater is a monster. Combined with ammo box and hive is crazy.
I think it would be good a video of “how to team work” what I mean is how to play whit your team in a more effective way, do we just stay together all time, or we split in fights, may be sounds dump, but I like to know some strategies too be a better team mate
My favourite setup atm is specter and winfield vandal deadeye with high velocity ammo, steady hand, deadeye scopesmith, quartermaster (obviously) and levering, I would go for more stealth perks but it's quite a difficult load out to get already if you're as aggressive as me
Personally I like Fanning on the Uppercut, it’s pretty good in defensive positions when some wants to rush you. You just need to pull your mouse down a bit and you’re fine xD
About Lightfoot: there is a gunsmackk technique that is ridiculously powerful. Basically you aim down sights, jump 3 times, stop aiming then jump another 2 times sprinting.
This way you cover around 15 meters making TWO footstep sounds.
It lands me free shotgun and melee kills all the time, and also lets me circle around entire buildings without the enemy having any idea.
Honestly I hope it gets patched, because when a player knows how to abuse this there is no real way to counter it.
Damn that thumbnail man
To quote mw " switching to your secondary is faster than reloading"
I second the use of frags. I've experimented with almost every throwable in the game, and I've gotten more kills with frags than anything else. They're the perfect PvP weapon for getting people out of cover or for just punishing campers who suck at peeking but somehow keep avoiding your shots.
Me: Doesn't have lightfoot but needs to climb a ladder for optimal flank.
Also Me: Lightfoot? THIS RECORD PLAYER IS MY LIGHTFOOT! CAN'T HEAR THE LADDER IF THERE'S MUSIC PLAYING
I actually just pulled this move off at C A Lumber today. Never, EVER sleep on your environment folks. You can find amazing flank routes that aren't normally possible if you use things to your advantage.
Also, really? Shotguns not good at penetration? 4FS please, a Shotgun once you're in its range will penetrate well enough to one tap. Especially within 7m. Maximum Romero range is pushing it for sure, but the penetration power of shotguns are no joke. Sure long ammo rifles are technically better at it, but shotguns are incredibly lethal once you're in their range, and most of the thin wood walls will not save you from a shotgun blast. Long ammo rifles hold the strength in longer range penetration. But shotguns within 10m usually will win. Unless it is the romero hatchet or the le mat's secondary shotgun.
@@sirminty8495 Chill out, he only said they weren't as good for penetration, not 'not good' period. You even admit it yourself.
against this enemys at 14:05, i really dont need performance loadouts XD such a move brings me instandly back into loadingscreen
For traits Beast face is a must. Silence is the best and most powerful weapon in hunt. I feel people underestimate how much of an advantage you have if the other teams aren't even aware you are on the map.
I forced myself to get used to sniper scopes by doing a prestige of sparks only (I felt like my aim was bad, so having a rifle that only has 1 bullet meant I had to hit my shots)
Sparks Sniper became my fav gun, then hailstorm came out and I simply had to get it ASAP...
Any winfields with HV rounds paired with officer HV along with perks for winnys
It's kinda sad how a Russian rifle is *the* Hunt Showdown weapon in a game about cowboy exorcists in Bumfuck Louisiana.
Oh well.
Cowboy exorcist 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mosin was kinda amazing weapon compared to other things in a game
So this is what being early feels like.. huh, nice
Quartermaster for mosin and dual uppercuts is my current favorite loadout
Ngl, I don't take the Dolch for the same reasons. But it kills me the most 😔
Choke bombs are also great to scare more inexperienced players - I often throw one as a distraction, and they’ll run away thinking it’s an explosive.
Fanning works fine if people let the reticle settle a bit. They think it means you can shoot as quickly as possible. That's wrong. It let's you put out a second shot before your opponent can recover from the aim punch. Let the gun settle unless your gun is inside them already. Even then you will peobably miss at full spam.
question what is the cook time on nades in hunt i.e. frags and dynamite?
5 seconds I believe
@@sazger ty
The game says it's 4 seconds but I'm pretty sure it's practically 5. The sticky bomb is like 30 minutes.
What are your thoughts about Mosin + winnie vandal? It´s my favourite loadout rn. Basically budget dolch, but u need experienced hunter with iron repeater and levering to make it work.
It's certainly decent, but it will make ammo for your mosin more of a consideration, and having to take repeater/quatermaster is a heavy tax, but it would definitely provide an edge up close.
best combo imo is mosin with dual pax with dumdum ammo and the same tools and consumables
I love your videos man, could you please make a video about bullet penetration ranges and damage?
There's been some very good ones a while ago try to search for them from 4FS :)
@@PanzerIV88 Thanks mate
Nice video, but the statement about the knife having more range than the other melee tools is not true, according to the lead game designer. Psychoghost talked about it in one of his recent videos.
So in theory, Dennis is right, they all have the same range, but the arc of the swing means that at the point you are aiming the knife hitbox goes further than the other melee tools, I have tested this pretty extensively, and in practice the knife does have an advantage when it comes to the range at which it can reliably connect.
@@4FSGaming Okay, that's how you meant it. Got it.
@@4FSGaming What about the Knuckle knife? It has the same reach as the knife and can also pernitrate some objects like the knife
The knuckle knife is similar for pvp, just with less damage if you hit the chest. Where it really falls down is reliably killing dogs, I just prefer the knife in general.
Does anyone have a source for the testing, which 4FS mentions about the frag bomb vs the dynamite bundle?
It's in the official discord somewhere, around the time when the last frag bomb nerf went on test servers. You can try searching by keywords, someone put together some great screenshots.
@@4FSGaming nice ty
I like to run a mosin bayonett, a silenced nagant with fanning as secondary and knuckles for immulators.
I did with stamina cause otherwise it is useless imo... Until I stab a guy in his back exactly at the center so "reserve chest hit" but he survived, he was even on fire but yet he then does a 180 and kills me in 2 hit of dual Pax! We all 3 died to this 1 lucky guy, it was absolute BS. It says since the last buff that it should be a 1 hit kill but doesn't always and if it don't then you die so I don't take the risk anymore.
It's Martiny Riposte or no bayonet.
I know it's extremely hard to do, but I hope crytek is able to even out the balance some in the game. Right now, the mozin is really just miles above every other rifle, and the uppercut and dolch are the same for secondaries. I still have a ton of fun running with less meta loadouts, but it would be awesome if those loadouts were just a little more viable. Regardless, Hunt is my favorite game coming up on like two years, and I hope it gets more attention and recognition like it deserves!
You are wrong my dude. On a 1 KD of skill level you can kill with everything if you have straight hands. Not the weapon that is important, but how well you used to it.
Uppercut needs a damage nerf. 130 dmg on a small slot weapon is too much.
124 or 120 would still make it pack a punch but would disallow it to 1 tap 125 hp hunters and would close the gap to the Pax/Conversion a bit.
Reduce spare ammo to 6 shots so it actually feels like a weapon that rewards careful shots.
As for the Mosin....tough. It feels too good in too many places, smooth in every way. Fast reload, good dmg, no sway. Adjusting price would be useless since money is not an issue most of the time. I'm at a loss regarding the Mosin.
@@wisewizard9552 Somewhat right but long ammo is basically easy mode. Compact often needs more than 2 shots if you hit the limbs once, medium is just compact + in that regard.
Long allows you a 2 tap even at longer ranges and a limb shot most of the time.
I rarely feel challenged when using long ammo, hence why I enjoy medium/compact more. Ironically rewards aim more than long-long.
@@Hanfgurkenhasser when you have long ammo loadout you gonna have your ass handled to ya in a buildings tho
fuses is better than flaregun, cheaper and also doesnt make a sound wearas the flaregun has an audible noise up to like 50m or something, you can also blind people better with fuses if they're looking down one angle you need to push etc. Also easier to hit lanterns above dog cages with the fuses.
Flargun is way easier and faster to use, which means it is 100% an upgrade, it's not about stealth, it's about speed.
how is it easier exactly? fusees have the path drawn out lmao, you literally can't miss, no reload if you have multiple husks, and how is it faster? the projectile might reach the target half a second before sure, but who cares? once you send it at them you turn your attention away anyway... so a cheaper alternative with no reload no sound and a reticle for hitting kennels easy isnt the 100% upgrade for you.
Good video. Would you recommend the whole team to take this loadout? Like maybe in trios have someone take a shotgun or something else? Just incase you want to tryhard with a premade team.
Depends on what the team likes to do, one shotgun is always handy because then you can flush people from cover pretty easily.
How Do you get the tanto?
Which mosin is the best? just started playing so idk if there is something special.
Normal or avtomat.
i have noticed that 4fs really seems to value the ability to have a lot of ammo and to be able to get loads of ammo back from pick ups. personally i would never pair a mosin with a uppercut because i see no reason to do it. You already have a powerful weapon in the mosin to take a uppercut with it feels like a waste. I prefer taking the officer or the pax with fanning since both of those really help in cqc and are more then capable of finishing of players hit with a mosin. As far as the ammo thing well it must be a difference in playstyle because i dont usually find my self needing more ammo in my fights
My philosophy is that you miss every shot you don't take. Having an abundance of ammo means you can take risky shots more often with less consequence, you can probe through walls and bushes fishing for hitmarkers, and just keep firing and keep up pressure.
This has led to so many excellent kills, just through sheer luck.
Also, taking a pax or officer might seem nice because then you have a cqc balance to the loadout, but you are still going to loose to large slot dedicated cqc weapons or a dolch. By limiting your cqc options you are much more likely to play to the actual strengths of your loadout and maintain better positioning instead of trying to stave off that shotgun rush with a fanning pax.
I gotta say I disagree with you a bit about fanning.
The disadvantage of the knife is that it is completely countered by any long melee weapon, such as bayonets, and it is also not so great against shotguns unless they miss and have a lower firerate like with the Specter, but if they have a caldwell, your chances go even further down.
Fanning makes it so you actually have a chance against melee attackers, and also helps somewhat against shotguns, as you can aim-punch them and force them to miss their shot, and make a quick follow-up hit yourself.
It's less effective with the Uppercut, but is still more effective than the knife.
And, if you have a lot of trouble with close fights, you can instead take the regular conversion, which means you don't get the extra ammo of the Uppercut, but your fanning becomes the best in the game (though the Pax has a claim for the top spot) due to its incredible recoil, accuracy, and fire rate.
I'd still rather use the knife and save the trait slot for something more useful, I used to use fanning a lot with this loadout, but I have never once regretted not taking it since I stopped. It's just my experience, but fanning seems really overrated these days.
@@4FSGaming Yeah the fact you don't need a trait is a big plus, no doubt. Though I feel if you have the trait points to spare it's worth it to use fanning over knives if you don't know what weapon enemy hunters have, so you don't end up getting stabbed by a bayonet or instantly killed by a shotgun you didn't expect.
But yeah, I think they nerfed fanning more recently and everything, so it's not as comparable to shotguns anymore.
Ill talk about it in more detail when I make an updated trait video, but it just seems that there are so many better options than fanning for cqc these days.
In the beginning fanning was very strong, only rivaled by shotguns, the avtomat, and a lucky melee in cqc, then they added the officer, bornheim, levering, dual wielding, and nerfed the accuracy of fanning on top of that. Melee has been improved through the silent killer and whispersmith trait as well, which allows you to prepare a rush without any audible warning, so you can really get the jump on people.
But yeah, I would never knife rush someone with a shotgun unless I knew they were distracted.
@@4FSGaming Yeah, there are many better options often.
I suppose the main advantages of fanning are that it uses a compact weapon, so you can use a bolt action in your primary slot instead (though you can get quartermaster sometimes and use a hand cannon), and also fanning uses the cheapest pistols, revolvers, and makes uppercuts useful in CQC.
Also, I think fanning is a little better than the semi-autos and the Officer when close enough, because of the increased fire rate, which outperforms the accuracy of those when close enough.
Oh, and don't forget, fanning beats knives in the case of attacking someone else with a melee weapon. I'd rather have fanning with the Uppercut even than try to use a knife against someone with a bayonet or an axe.
So, if you are dedicated to the Mosin-Uppercut build, I think fanning is a good choice once you get all the other traits you need, though I think a Mosin Bayonet is also a good choice because it equalizes melee fights, and easily counters knife rushes.
The c96 was a poplar weapon all around the world in the late 1800 up to 1920 it was the best selling semi auto of its time it belongs in the game.
But the borchardt c-93 would also be great in this game too.
what region do you play in?
i can hs with vetterli easy at max range and nearly every shot hits i dont know why but in closer combat i get a bit panic and my aim sucks its unbelivable
Just a question - maybe I don’t get the joke or that it may actually do something I didn’t know about- but why would you want to shoot your teammate with a flare gun at the end of match?! Haha
Maybe they need to lighten up?
knuckle knife gang rise up!
how much is this loadout ?
I think the knife is a litte bit too good. Even against the bomb lance and saber I still squeeze out a trade with my 20$ knife. They should either reduce the range on it or increase the range on the other melee weapons where you would have more range.
Or give the machete, saber and combat axe a right click block. The knife just costs 20$, fits in a toolslot and outperforms all these weapons.
So how do you deal with dog cages n stuff without throwing knifes ? Shoot them ?
Usually just go around them, but flare pistol can take them out as well. If you run past them and they go off it usually doesn't matter as long as you move on to the next area quickly regardless.
See you agree that the mosin is a great gun, but the real question is Bunny or Hailstorn?
Ill go for hailstorm makes you feel too much like enemies at the gate
why do you use hunter over gunslinger stance?
1. I have played since the start of early access, gunslinger is a much newer addition to make Hunt more accessible mainly to console players
2. It provides a third option for FoV, so my passive FoV while moving around is wider than gunslinger with the same settings, while allowing me to match the tighter FoV when hip firing or aiming down sights
3. In gunslinger, your weapon will protrude through walls a lot, as it is always sticking straight out in front of you, this means it is really easy to locate and wall bang people with this setup unless they are extremely conscious of their positioning
4. The melee controls are much better in Hunter, as you have more control over movement abilities while charging a melee. This can be overcome if the Gunslinger melee button is mapped to a spare mouse button, but these are usually in high demand.
Gunslinger is there to make the game more appealing to new players not used to Hunt's original control scheme, but I highly recommend transitioning to Hunter when possible.
@@4FSGaming thanks for the explanation
Personally I like the karabiner and Caldwell pax for guns
It's basically the same loadout, just budget-size. You don't get the wallbang power, and your total range is worse, but if you're comfortable taking the midrange wiggle-fights on a regular basis it can do a lot of the same stuff.
I like to take a officer carbine and duel lemats for ammo reserves because good lord does the ammo capacity on that thing suck
I have been doing Björnheim Match with dual silenced nagant to similar effect
@@Adam31778 never really liked the match. Sights are good but damage is too low to get a decent ttk
I prefare throwing knifes over the flare pistol because of sound and visual effects .
They're not a bad alternative, just a bit slow to work in emergency situations.
You mentioned that this is your 'sweaty' load out, but you seem sweaty every video I see you in. I'm not sure I've ever seen you post a 'chill' game. I do appreciate your intensity though. nice video
Chill games usually are either not that interesting, or useful when describing tactics haha, it's when things get tricky that the analysis comes in.
good player shaming?
I will run with any gun. Recently just started using free hunters for shits and giggles. But my buddy and I don't have the best aim, so I carry a weak vitality shot, liquid fire bomb, and 2 concertina bombs. Burn a body, concertina it. Almost never have to worry about that guy getting up. Cancer, I know.
pls new perk tierlist
Commenting to feed the algorithm
I love this game my favourite multiplayer i a long time..pity it doesn't get more love off more people...it would be great if they made it a free to play now so we could get a bigger of number of players playing
you think you don't like your random teammates now? imagine the ftp trash that would infest servers, not to mention cheaters.. I hope it never goes ftp, I saw it on sale last time for 10 bucks, if someone doesn't think it's worth 10 bucks, they should just play something else.. this is one of the few great games at the moment, ftp means more aggressive mTx and everyone hates that
i personally like:
-mosin nagant obrez
-caldwell shotgun or spectre (later crown with quartermaster)
-knuckleknife, throwing knives, med kit, choke bombs
-weak antipoison, molotov, 2xvitality
Bro what are you setting my game looks trash with everything maxed
Or just quick swap. It's very effective
I don't understand consistently running a loadout that costs as much as you would get from a grand slam.
If you can play with it why not if you want something less expensive but still less consistent go for sparks pax instead of mosin uppercut
@@sebb1652 My point is that even if you win with the full loadout he talks about you will not get profit. And if you do it's very small. If you run sparks pax then you will gain money from a success. The point of bounty hunt is to extract with the bounty and get a lot of money. Sure this loadout is high performance but it almost guarantees that you will lose even if you win.
I want to emphasize that I said I don't understand *consistently* running a loadout that's worth a nitro.
@@misterdanny8644 the point is you run a much higher chance of winning, not just once, but repeatedly over and over again. Hunt is a game of winning by small margins more often than not. And if you consistently out margin every encounter than you stand to gain a lot more in the long haul by doing so. Running these top tier loadouts also helps play the odds outnumbered as well. The drawback for having this strength is upfront cost. If you're not good enough to leverage the power it has, then it's worth nothing.
I like to play guns like the winfield and the handcrossbow. I'm always laughing when I headshot a dolch and crown & king guy with the handcrossbow and I'm not sad of loosing a lot of money when I die.
@@bennig.3553 I mean great, if you get your kicks that way then by all means. Just know that skill for skill match up, loadouts like these will win the fight far more often.
Knife and heavy knife have the exact same range.
Technically yes, but the arc and hitbox of slash vs stab attacks makes the knife much more reliable for killing hunters.
I'm a donkey with guns... For me shotguns and rifle.. Always
Henry ftw
How is this man rockin 150 FPS on Hunt? You must be playin with some NASA computers or somethin
Hunt is pretty CPU bound, so even with a great graphics card you'll still struggle to get frames without a good CPU.
@@4FSGaming What CPU do you have to get that good of frames? Also are you playing at 1080p?
I'm using a Ryzen 9 3900x at 1080p
First one
Thank you for content
High performance loadout? 5900x and a 3080 ez
Please, stop praising the meta loadout. All loadouts are valid, and lethal. Use the variety the game has to offer... Nobody needs you to enforce 'USE MOSIN-UPPERCUT', we all know it's valid already...
I play an enormous variety of load outs, and the focus of this video is mostly using this kind of setup at closer ranges, hence the amount of discussion around tools and consumables.
@@4FSGaming
Mosin, Uppercut
Knife, medkit, chokes
Vit shots, Frags.
So 100% sweaty meta that I encounter every match.
Sorry, but nobody needs to be recommended that.
The only original tool here is the flare gun.
Gotta be honest, getting real tired of all the Dolch hate... yes it's the best sidearm, but its price also reflects it. Also it wont headshot as far as a Winfield, and carries a lot less ammo, both in mag as well as in total (not to mention availability on map), so it isn't down right superior to it. I hardly ever use the Dolch myself, not because I feel it's cheesy, but because I prefer lower price load outs in general (I like looting). If I want a fast firing follow up weapon I generally choose the officer brawler, which in general will two shot players as well within 30 m, which is way beyond shotgun range. So in short, is the Dolch great? Yes. Is it OP ? No, there are many ways around it, and it has several weaknesses to exploit. Catch a shotgun + dolch player beyond 60 m with a mosin, lebel or vetterli and you should win, beyond 90 m and you better damn win or you're a shitty shot.
The reason the dolch is ridiculous isnt because you pair it with shotguns, it's because you pair it with a mosin sniper and still have a weapon that will outclass almost all dedicated cqc primaries if you get pushed.
Lol "want everyone else to hate you" that's funny but who cares what other people think about you right?
well yeah long ammo is OP so of course it's gonna be in the high performance
Nice loadout, but it lacks originality, and it costs an arm.
but is there a better loadout? not really
@@StayFractalesque It's your point of view. This loadout is really expensive, and it sucks at close and medium range. So for me yes there are tons of "better" loadouts, more polyvalent and cheaper than this one.
Ayy 3rd
Really nice 👌 😍💋 💝💖❤️
Mosin+ uppercut? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Get out of here!
Dolch top tier CQC weapon? HAHAHAHHAHAHA *Laughs in double barrel*
although 2 heals with 2 nades? No fire, no ANTIDOTE? Man, I should really start running poison builds to hunt guys like you.
Antidote is pretty bad these days, it doesn't even reduce poison damage from anything but clouds anymore, and the dolch is absolutely preferable to the double barrel as long as you stay 15m away.
@@4FSGaming Yeah they nerfed the shit out of antidote. That's kinda sad.
Can’t play anymore cuz the devs refuse to help fix my game. It broke randomly and the game cuts my mouse input when I load in. Trash