The back squat and the deadlift are proven to be effective in increasing an athlete's overall strength and explosiveness. In complicated movement pattrerns you cannot load too much weight therefore they are not so good on increasing your limit strength. Why not integrate traditional lifting exercises with movements with complicated patterns and get "the best from these 2 worlds"?
Just exposed to him and he’s super entertaining. Like a Kelly Starret wannabe. Almost nothing he puked out is supported an most are not outright disputed by data. I’m glad I found him because he makes me laugh with his gross incompetence 😂
I agree to a degree. If you do functional training, and integrate 1rm squats and deads, it will translate. But by only doing 1rm squats and deads and no funcion, then yeah it wont help you run. But pretty much cause your not running.
Anyone that has done any kind of extensive research knows that heavyweight training that is not paired with explosive power training along with not being involved with a particular sport won’t transfer to anything because guess what?!?!?!? Your only weight training and the strength you have attained has not been transferred to any other activity! That’s how the central nervous system works! One doesn’t become neurologically efficient at an activity just because he/she is strength training without practicing or training for their sport, that’s not how it works!
Honest question: with all this functional stuff, are you really good at some activity? Is it a coincidense that most if not all top level athletes weight train?
Well, it is a matter of periodization. I did 18 months of bodybuilding and cross trainer workouts before lockdown and covid. Now I'm doing rows, push-ups, kettle bell workouts for my legs and kickboxing in my yard for cardio. Functional training is like the icing on the Cake. You are not complete without it. But you should start with barbell work then transition or your joints will break.
@@shahzebk3225 yes. Im back in the gym. I’m doing strong lifts for the next 20 weeks. Then I’ll get complex with my training. But the basic lifts must be maintained.
@@prinzeugen4734 I'm sorry I just wanna clarify...so we do regular gym for like 15 20 days and then we become functional for how long ?and what if we have minor posture imbalance like scoliosis, unbalanced shoulders etc..?
@@shahzebk3225 I did power lifting for my lower body and calisthenics for my upper body at a gym for 18 months. It transformed my body. Now I'm m adding in functional exercises because they are very good at filling a hole.
Ronnie Coleman broke his spine with the back squat. Arnold Schwarzenegger has had 4 shoulder surgeries. Most bodybuilders are physical wrecks imo and certainly not athletic. Listen to this man.
Robert Harper Spot on Quite simply heavy back squatting compress's the spinal collum badly not a WISE EXERCISE as a tall ectomorph man i tryed it years ago i could hardly manage 125lbs a guy pointed out to me my body mechanics just don't suite it. Another guy said he knew a man with my build that back squatted heavy he just injured his back it speaks volumes. There are 5ft 2 women powerlifters now squatting 400 +lbs with a wide stance going down about 6 inches compressing their vertebra. It's a ego thing i think in all honesty there. i wouldn't touch the exercise with a barge pole.
I king of agree with you view on back squats. I have a herniated disc in my back and for some reason I thing dead lifting helps with my back pain. And learning to deadlift and squat has help me at work as a mechanic when I have to lift and move heavy things around.
PitBlackBelt do you have dynamic evidence of your physiological & structural changes? Undoing of vertical spinal compression? Improved gait cycle mechanics?
Deadlift transfers to picking things up and putting them down, squats transfer in leg strength to hike up hills with a heavy load also sprints.. There are many day to day applications for these movements.. Why do you say they don't transfer over to anything and more importantly what evidence is there of this? I know people who squat and deadlift and can also not only run/swim/ruck/lift/fight/etc but they can do it very very well.... So please explain why you talk in such absolutes in regards to this?
You didn’t listen, all those things you described aren’t in a 3 dimensional plane but the activities you want to do such as hiking ARE a 3 dimensional movement
JqMarsh are you kidding me?!?!?!? Are actually buying the shit that this dude is selling?!?!?!?! Look at the amount of professional athletes that move in the frontal and sagittal plane that also squat and deadlift and are elite at what they do?!?!?!?!? Bro do your research before you buy into dogma that people spread!
@@JaredQMarsh You can create anti-rotation by using a split squat. Which has been done by WORLD CLASS coaches like Cal Dietz who has trained any national champs/olympians in many sports. So all these claims by Naudi need an explanation. Is it a coincidence that Cal Dietz and pretty much all world-class coaches use deadlifts and squats? It most likely isn't. Deadlifts and squats illicit the greatest muscle activation and adaptation of any movement/exercise
What function do YOU want to train? Observe how it's a question. A question that only a human being can answer because only humans can form concepts and drive their own lives by ideas and thought. Every human is moving towards a goal he has set for himself, whether or not he is aware of the goal. Recently I started training to press heavy things over head and carrying heavy objects for long distances -- my training is helping to produce the desired function. I am not injured or in a wheelchair, the people I learn from aren't either, the people they've learned from weren't either, and I likely never will be because I'm a rational human being that wont ignore injuries or turn a blind eye to major postural/structural imbalances and impending injuries. So then, where is the problem that this dogmatic channel supposedly detects? I often hear claims that people will start suffering sever injuries in their 30s, 40s, 50s, etc if they don't train "functionally". Yet... I walk out in to the world and most people aren't in wheelchairs. I research former athletes and they are doing fine well into their old age barring the extreme examples of, again, irrational people who ignore injuries and/or turn blind eyes to major imbalances. In other words, if you're half-way intelligent and have "not becoming a cripple in 10 years" as one of your priorities, then you are probably going to be just fine. Or am I missing something? PLEASE show me the hordes of vegetables that didn't follow your ideology. Or is it that evolution of the human body has prioritized walking and throwing so therefore our training should be carrying that into the further extreme of being the best possible walker and thrower that the earth has ever seen? Interesting concept.... I suppose your other purpose in life is to make as many children as possible too in order to carry out the will of Gaia? Or perhaps you're like me, reader, and have free will. Perhaps you wish to live life on your own terms, using your body as a vessel to fulfill your desires in life rather than basing your existence and efforts around walking more effectively or preventing hamstring cramps in your 90s?
I see very few of the older gen working out at the gym. Most of the time they complain about their aches and pains. And when I do see the old gen working at the gym, they're not moving very well.
Thank you, i learned some great nuggets in my journey toward optimal movement. Came in handy planting trees today when i needed to break through rocks using a pick axe. Thank you for all you do!
So many people lift purely to build muscle and improve their body aesthetically. It's not to carry over into a sport or functional movement. It is clear that doing squats, deadlifts & bench press etc effectively builds muscle. But, as you say it's not functional and can increase risk of injury. So, provide your alternative, instead of just saying the negatives to doing a squat or deadlift, please provide alternative exercises which will effectively build muscle for aesthetic purposes. Thanks.
I believe that is the point Naudi is making. You're sacrificing functionality (mainly your gait) for aesthetics. It seems that heavy weightlifters have an altered gait pattern when compared to the healthy norm patterns
Pretty simple. You can build muscle through the FP corrective exercises. First of all you'll build muscle anyway at the beginning of fp training/correction, no matter how big and muscular you were before, because you will use muscles you didn't use much before (Posterior Chain due to more load on the PC, Diaphgram, TVA, Internal/External Trunk Rotators, Adductors, Lat, Serratus, lower traps etc.) IF you do it the right way . Im speaking of experience, I just started and if you do the stuff right, the fatigue on them muscles is actually unreal. And no, Im not a skinny guy, I weigh 290 pounds at around 20-25 % bf. Later on you just can do the fp movements in a more heavy fashion to build more muscle or just progress through complexity of the movements, that's it, no magic.
Tradition and popular opinion tend to cloud our ability to intellectually evolve. Following great athletes in their routine without fully understanding it is an excellent way to excel. However, this cycle of tradition gives credit by its popularity. We must not let popularity and tradition cloud our judgment. When a perspective is shared using real logical connection, we must keep an open mind despite popular opinion. Otherwise, we are simply perpetuating concepts that we don't fully understand, simply because they have worked in some form.
I think the main misconception that Naudi has is that you must train in a “sport specific” or “functional” manner. The reason strength and conditioning coaches exist is to strengthen or improve the efficiency of motor patterns. We don’t squat to train in the saggital plane; we squat to strengthen the muscles that are responsible for hip flexion / extension and knee flexion / extension. The same principles apply to pressing, hinging, lunging, rotating, pulling, and completing a loaded carry. Increased strength and work capacity should improve the motor pattern quality in general when they’re replicated in sports. This should lead to increased performance. In addition, increased strength of the muscles, bones, and connective tissues coupled with more efficient motor pattern replication should lead to a less likely chance of injury. Using tools like barbells and dumbbells gives you something you can easily adjust resistance on depending on which stage you are in in terms of periodization. To summarize, I believe Naudi has an philosophy which is rooted in good means but is executed in an incorrect fashion when it comes to training modalities.
i think you are missing the point. Why can't you load all those same motor patterns in a way that also loads hip rotation, rib cage rotation, lateral rib cage flexion, arm extension, arm flexion, elbow flexion, and elbow extension. Why are you limiting yourself to just hip and knee motions simultaneously? Becuase its easy to teach people?
@@yankeeman7713 It's not missing the point at all. How do you propose to have maximal force production in extension in the lower limbs which is critical to almost every sporting movement if you as all of those other joint actions into a movement? There's a reason why in S&C there are big lifts, plyometrics & ballistics and sports specific movements separated. Each trains a specific quality for adaptation that has transfer into a sporting context.
Why are all the guys who lift weights in the comments getting so defensive. He said over and over again that he's not against heavy lifting, AND after all this is someone's opinion. Respect it.
Leo is a ho 1rm gives a metric for the top end of force potentiation over a certain range of motion. If that number goes up then the potential for all other associated movements goes up. A more powerful deadlift or squat can equal a more powerful clean or snatch or simply stronger quads hamstrings hips and core.
heavy loading is a phase once you reach your one rep max , you should deload and focus on other types of trainings , athlete that work on their strengths for competition yes , regular population should definitely build Up for that starting with working with their imbalance .
Really simplistic view here Naudi. There is no doubt in my mind that FP is amazing for training capable bodies in 3D space. But to try and claim that training the squat will lead to "pattern overload" and a "morphing to the sagittal plane"? Really? Why are you looking at it with the idea that the squat is the ONLY exercise a person is going to do? That's just called imbalanced training. Sure, there are tons of people who are neglecting ranges of motion in their training, and their bodies are morphing in unfavorable ways because they don't know any better. But training properly implies not doing that. To claim that the problem is with the movement pattern is extremely unfair. Squatting--erecting from the ground--is literally the movement pattern that made us human. There is nothing wrong with training it.
Keep in mind u only know what we do on the surface, so u really don't know the benefits outside of what we show on social media. Come into the lab and then you can talk about what you do and get your techniques questioned.
Hey Naudi, whas goin on? good stuff. What do you think of swimming sprints in general for bio mechanical integrity & strength?(my style isn't that refined yet) 50m*7 mix styles, 2-3 min break between - cant do less im so out of breath il drown.
I can see that but Naudi doesnt listen to such criticisms . I take a different approach and instead of defending , I deconstruct his beliefs and try to show him that either there not true, or in this case, are sooo ambiguous and general that they serve no realistic purpose.
The problem is that Naudis belief are really based on one or two book , a personal training book and Thomas Myers Anatomy trains, which has no scientific support , but does have a useful concept. But when it comes to training and programming and such, he really butchers exercise science terms or uses them to try to show demostrate his knowledge which isnt really necessary for this audicence
The point of deadlifts aren't to help lift oddly shaped boxes better, it's used as a tool to get stronger. Strength is the ability to exert force on an external resistance, which helps with everything. If you get your deadlift from 135 to 405 whatever circus trick functional man can throw at you won't be hard to accomplish
Leo Chartrand i’d like to have athletic legs with fp exercices but don’t know what material i have to own, where to do workouts, how many exercices, how many times a week, etc etc
There's so much use of physiological terms spouted that it is basically unnecessary. Simply put, he does not prefer power lifts because there is no "direct" effective result to the "real world". Which is an odd statement, you can't exactly do true maximal lifts in the real world because, like he said, not all objects are barbells but isn't that why you train with barbell? the tool allows you to lift near maximal and even over our maximal weights that otherwise would be impossible for us humans without some sort of implement. Like if you want to be the best sprinter, you would obviously practice sprinting and that is basically a form of functional training however, you would eventually reach some sort of plateau because sprinting mechanics is not the only factor in becoming the best sprinter, force production matters as well. And It just so happens that heavy core barbell movements elicit the greatest and most convenient results and unfortunately, there are no real substitutes for these movements for now. So yeah, the heavy shit you properly lift transfers into the real world. It makes you stronger and more balanced, increasing your potential in real world movements. Contrary to his statement.
@@functionalpatterns Wow, a response, did not expect that. HI, nice to hear from you. Force vectors? Isn't that a just a naming convention for forces working on a body? How odd. Still, I think I get what you mean here. You can however, add accessory movements to target all other planes of movements (sports specific or what have you) but that is basically what a any proper program will do. Regardless of what training pattern you choose. Thanks anyways!
As a Personal Trainer and someone progressing towards a Strength & Conditioning Coach certification, I am deeply concerned with the logic you're using. The deadlift, squat, overhead press, and many, many other exercises recruit a plethora of muscle groups in ways that emulate "real life" (i.e. I sit down in my car and get out of it: Squat; I put a box onto a high shelf: Overhead Press, etc, etc.). Please, I don't mean to be a mean asshole or anything, but please consider revising your methodologies and programming to reflect more current scientific study. Someone is going to get seriously hurt by doing some of the movements you laud as "functional". If for no other reason, consider doing this for the betterment of your business.
Heavy lifting in moderation is absolutely essential for absolute strength development. Across the board the best combat athletes are those who use a mix of plyometric work/ heavy lifting/Olympic lifting/calisthenics etc. If a regular athlete like a wrestler did no absolute strength training (unless he was a phenom or so high in technical skill it wouldn’t matter) he would get absolutely man handled on the mat plain and simple. There is definitely room for this style of training. Heavy lifting for athletes needs to be strictly monitored and a lot of coaches fuck their athletes pushing them too hard. It’s also very dependent on what type of sport the athlete is involved in.
He needs to calrify who the intended audience is. My guess is he's referring to actually strong people who can move a LOT of weight. If you are squatting 200lbs keep going.
Wouldn't it be great if someone set up an ameteur association for throwing sports? I could be wrong but it seems that's closer to what you consider a functional display of power and strength. And it seems that your system lends itself very well to those kinds of sports.. . What pushes the big 3 to the forefront of ppl's consciousness is competition... They are inspired and motivated by it. Even a 30yo can nurture a dream of being a powerlifter. Whereas for sports like shot putt, discus, hammer throw.. .for most ppl, u get a shot at it in high school, then forget about it for the rest of your life.....there doesn't seem to be any adult or ameteur avenues for getting a "second chance" at these games
big weight lifters came to wrestling, and they ware moving so dumb. after I stopped heavy squats and deadlifts, and did wrestling only i could see how big a drawback it was the effect of the lifting.
Spot on. I find it so funny that there is a current thought pattern that a heavy squat or dead lift is functional, but using exercise machines are not. Try and retrieve a ball from a shrub and see how your body contorts. Squats won't help, machines won't help, having a flexible, mobile, coordinated body will.
But what if said ball was 15 lbs, with a distance of 10 inches of leverage from your shoulder joint to the ball. This is where muscular size and strength comes into play. Rather than seeing the two differently , they should compliment eachother.
Sawoop !! I ain't no expert, but if you only want to pick that ball up once or twice, with each being in slightly different positions, then sweet, a "normal" mobile body will handle it. But if you want to pick it up for 3 sets of ten, the same way, and look in the mirror afterwards, then yes, squats would help.
That wasnt my question tho, Im specifically asking if the ball is heavier, not if you decide to do reps and sets with it. My point is that you can have all the mobility and flexibility in the world but those are just a few components of fitness.
I would like to thank you Naudi for all your hard work and for saving my body from devastation... I always knew and feel inside that training in the gym didn't improve anything in my everyday life, of course I did feel better with exercises, but after few years of doing stupid push and pull isolated exercises I've noticed I've lost my structural connection (thanks to you explaining what is fascia and where body strength really coming from ). Without your videos I would probably fucked everything up to the point where there won't be coming back from . Thanks a lot for helping people understand what is really going on and what we should focus on . All the best from Poland :D
It gets awful abstract. Plenty of guys feel gorilla strong and have never lifted a weight in a weight room setting in their life. Farmers, iron workers, etc. plenty of guys can bench and squat and DL well but lack of any rotational application makes them feel unbalanced and weak in clinching and grappling. And no big time bench presser can punch or strike well. Some people can blend both as long as they aren’t becoming too specialized in bench, squat, DL. Personally. As an old man now. I’m trying to move well and undo injury from years of traditional lifts. Using kettlebells, clubs and macebells was a huge change to getting rid of disc/back pain. SI joint mishaps and the like by restoring the way I’m supposed to move. And ROTATE my spine. Cheers.
Loaded movements that challenge your ability to generate torque, and produce mobility within joints in static and/or dynamic patterns should not be debated. All physical disciplines each with their own inherent risks and rewards, are relevant to humans that aspire to perform better, survive longer, and increase their physical capabilities. “Functional” is a buzz word. If you are a self sustaining human with minimal operation restrictions, you are functional. It is not worth overthinking. However, CrossFit…is fucking stupid.
Of course there's consequences to having a heavy bar on your back and lift it! But you already fixed that problem... you just need two resistance bands that compress your spine by about 100lbs and that will decompress your spine.
Yea! I hurt my back back in March. Dead hangs, pull ups, hanging leg raises, etc have been key to my recovery! Even now my back doesn't hurt as much but each workout starts and ends with hanging.
Functional trainers are some of the most snobby people out there. Function is relative to the person and more so their sport/activity. When you are training to become more functional at your sport, then lifting no matter what takes a seat to the specific needs of that sport/activity. Nothing is more functional than being strong. If you are strong, it is assumed that you are also stable and mobile in all planes of movement.
Good questions! Absolute strength isn't an end point, it's just your strength right now, our bodies ability to produce force. By starting with weights that are light enough to be moved within a rep range that allows you to recover and train again, ideally adding a small amount of weight each workout, or every few workouts. Naturally over time one lifts heavier, and therefore strength has increased. It's maintained like all aspects of fitness, use it or lose it, as they say! A great functional example of the benefit of increasing total strength or absolute strength, over say "functional training", is with runners. Now I'm gonna be the first to say; "Do the thing you want to get better at", I'm a martial artist so I do martial arts to get better at it, and runners should run to get better at running, right? But we also know that if you take a marathoner, increase their barbell squat over a few months, their marathon time will improve. There are studies on this, interesting reads if you haven't come across them before, or at least the end result is interesting! Think of each step in a run as an expression of total strength, if I weigh 70kg and can squat 50kg, it takes a higher % of my total strength to keep running at a certain speed, than if I am 70kg and can squat 150kg. Hope that makes sense my friend!
The neuromuscular system of the human body has clearly evolved for specific tasks = standing, walking, running, throwing, jumping. Connected with these movements are all the energy pathways in our body. When we train in alignment with our most fundamental patterns of motion our body lights up, as I am sure you have experience before in martial arts. When we talk about "doing weights" - what movements are we talking about exactly? How exactly do these movements take place, and what compensations does our body make to manipulate this weight? And what relevance does this movement have in relation to how we move most often in reality?
Word. Salad. Pure pseudoscience. Also, what's this conflation if "heavy lifting" with "1 rep maxes"? You know they're not the same thing right? The majority of "heavy" training - even for peak strength - is done in the 70-92% range in any smart programme. 1RMs are for testing, not training. Also, you "do 1RMs all the time"? Why? What for? If these guys worried less about bamboozling beginners with "movement voodoo", and worried more more about smart programming, progression, fatigue management and proper load selection (or at least demonstrated a basic understanding of these principles), the online fitness space would be a better place.
To be fair, he made some really stupid videos recently. I like a lot of his stuff and some of his concepts are really good. That doesn't mean that one shouldn't have a certain amount of scepticism towards things you hear.
People do deadlifts and squats to purely get better at deadlifts and squats. Functional movement is great, but in the outside world the dude who has bigger muscles gets more props, not the dude who is functional. Unless of course they can apply that functional ability to some other activity.
nobody squats heavier than olympic lifters which has a massive acrobatic carryover and function, this video is 100% trash this guy has no credentials no studies and nothing to back up the sh!t he spews.
@@brianserious WEll heavy back squatting did not do Ronnie Coleman's spinal columm any good in the end did it stupid exercise good for damaging your spinal columm with herniated discs and a lot of tall people are not cut out for it powerlifters lift the heavest i belive there. PS not trash at all it just makes GOOD sense i think in all honesty. No - body can tell me it doe's the spinal columm any good.
The back squat and the deadlift are proven to be effective in increasing an athlete's overall strength and explosiveness. In complicated movement pattrerns you cannot load too much weight therefore they are not so good on increasing your limit strength. Why not integrate traditional lifting exercises with movements with complicated patterns and get "the best from these 2 worlds"?
@Not Sure exactly. There a re established coaches and PhDs that dispell his bullshit
Just exposed to him and he’s super entertaining. Like a Kelly Starret wannabe. Almost nothing he puked out is supported an most are not outright disputed by data. I’m glad I found him because he makes me laugh with his gross incompetence 😂
Jamie it is supported, he test this shit based on functionality within the body and not how it sells.
I literally just figured out that he is full of pseudo science bullshit!
MrSmurf459 😂 if you say so.
It would be interesting if you could have shown an example of a functional heavy lift ? Would that be a buldoser tire lift ?
Everything in moderation. Including moderation.
Depends on the specifity of the moderation...
I agree to a degree. If you do functional training, and integrate 1rm squats and deads, it will translate. But by only doing 1rm squats and deads and no funcion, then yeah it wont help you run. But pretty much cause your not running.
Anyone that has done any kind of extensive research knows that heavyweight training that is not paired with explosive power training along with not being involved with a particular sport won’t transfer to anything because guess what?!?!?!? Your only weight training and the strength you have attained has not been transferred to any other activity! That’s how the central nervous system works! One doesn’t become neurologically efficient at an activity just because he/she is strength training without practicing or training for their sport, that’s not how it works!
Thank you, this is a video that I've been waiting on for a very long time.
Honest question: with all this functional stuff, are you really good at some activity? Is it a coincidense that most if not all top level athletes weight train?
Well, it is a matter of periodization. I did 18 months of bodybuilding and cross trainer workouts before lockdown and covid. Now I'm doing rows, push-ups, kettle bell workouts for my legs and kickboxing in my yard for cardio. Functional training is like the icing on the Cake. You are not complete without it. But you should start with barbell work then transition or your joints will break.
@@prinzeugen4734 do you mean we should start training with weight lifting an then do functional exercises?
@@shahzebk3225 yes. Im back in the gym. I’m doing strong lifts for the next 20 weeks. Then I’ll get complex with my training. But the basic lifts must be maintained.
@@prinzeugen4734 I'm sorry I just wanna clarify...so we do regular gym for like 15 20 days and then we become functional for how long ?and what if we have minor posture imbalance like scoliosis, unbalanced shoulders etc..?
@@shahzebk3225 I did power lifting for my lower body and calisthenics for my upper body at a gym for 18 months. It transformed my body. Now I'm m adding in functional exercises because they are very good at filling a hole.
Ronnie Coleman broke his spine with the back squat. Arnold Schwarzenegger has had 4 shoulder surgeries. Most bodybuilders are physical wrecks imo and certainly not athletic. Listen to this man.
Robert Harper Spot on Quite simply heavy back squatting compress's the spinal collum badly not a WISE EXERCISE as a tall ectomorph man i tryed it years ago i could hardly manage 125lbs a guy pointed out to me my body mechanics just don't suite it. Another guy said he knew a man with my build that back squatted heavy he just injured his back it speaks volumes. There are 5ft 2 women powerlifters now squatting 400 +lbs with a wide stance going down about 6 inches compressing their vertebra. It's a ego thing i think in all honesty there. i wouldn't touch the exercise with a barge pole.
@@paulthesquid3595 what do you think of belt squats?
Who only back squats? It's hard enough to get most people to squat more than once per week
You can avoid pattern overload by training a bunch of other general patterns.
This lol
hahahahaahahahahaha gold
But if the patterns are also shitty it won’t matter.
I king of agree with you view on back squats. I have a herniated disc in my back and for some reason I thing dead lifting helps with my back pain. And learning to deadlift and squat has help me at work as a mechanic when I have to lift and move heavy things around.
Hi may I translate this video into Chinese so that I can share this perspective in my country?
I think this is really awesome and useful.
TIL dead-lifting and squatting are done in a 2D world.
This lol
Your feet don’t move and you lift in one direction, and come back down the same direction.
I want Mark Rippetoe, to watch this video, and hear what he has to say.
After he finishes laughing?
Leo Chartrand a lot
PitBlackBelt where is his evidence to show that what he knows works?
I am the evidence. His stuff works and i'm living proof.
PitBlackBelt do you have dynamic evidence of your physiological & structural changes? Undoing of vertical spinal compression? Improved gait cycle mechanics?
I guess Arnold is secretly using a wheelchair
Mark Davenport have you seen Arnold move or walk?
Deadlift transfers to picking things up and putting them down, squats transfer in leg strength to hike up hills with a heavy load also sprints.. There are many day to day applications for these movements.. Why do you say they don't transfer over to anything and more importantly what evidence is there of this? I know people who squat and deadlift and can also not only run/swim/ruck/lift/fight/etc but they can do it very very well.... So please explain why you talk in such absolutes in regards to this?
You didn’t listen, all those things you described aren’t in a 3 dimensional plane but the activities you want to do such as hiking ARE a 3 dimensional movement
JqMarsh are you kidding me?!?!?!? Are actually buying the shit that this dude is selling?!?!?!?! Look at the amount of professional athletes that move in the frontal and sagittal plane that also squat and deadlift and are elite at what they do?!?!?!?!? Bro do your research before you buy into dogma that people spread!
@@JaredQMarsh You can create anti-rotation by using a split squat. Which has been done by WORLD CLASS coaches like Cal Dietz who has trained any national champs/olympians in many sports. So all these claims by Naudi need an explanation. Is it a coincidence that Cal Dietz and pretty much all world-class coaches use deadlifts and squats? It most likely isn't. Deadlifts and squats illicit the greatest muscle activation and adaptation of any movement/exercise
What function do YOU want to train?
Observe how it's a question. A question that only a human being can answer because only humans can form concepts and drive their own lives by ideas and thought. Every human is moving towards a goal he has set for himself, whether or not he is aware of the goal.
Recently I started training to press heavy things over head and carrying heavy objects for long distances -- my training is helping to produce the desired function. I am not injured or in a wheelchair, the people I learn from aren't either, the people they've learned from weren't either, and I likely never will be because I'm a rational human being that wont ignore injuries or turn a blind eye to major postural/structural imbalances and impending injuries.
So then, where is the problem that this dogmatic channel supposedly detects?
I often hear claims that people will start suffering sever injuries in their 30s, 40s, 50s, etc if they don't train "functionally". Yet... I walk out in to the world and most people aren't in wheelchairs. I research former athletes and they are doing fine well into their old age barring the extreme examples of, again, irrational people who ignore injuries and/or turn blind eyes to major imbalances. In other words, if you're half-way intelligent and have "not becoming a cripple in 10 years" as one of your priorities, then you are probably going to be just fine.
Or am I missing something? PLEASE show me the hordes of vegetables that didn't follow your ideology.
Or is it that evolution of the human body has prioritized walking and throwing so therefore our training should be carrying that into the further extreme of being the best possible walker and thrower that the earth has ever seen? Interesting concept.... I suppose your other purpose in life is to make as many children as possible too in order to carry out the will of Gaia?
Or perhaps you're like me, reader, and have free will. Perhaps you wish to live life on your own terms, using your body as a vessel to fulfill your desires in life rather than basing your existence and efforts around walking more effectively or preventing hamstring cramps in your 90s?
I see very few of the older gen working out at the gym. Most of the time they complain about their aches and pains. And when I do see the old gen working at the gym, they're not moving very well.
THIS
Wow u r so smart
Squatting doesn't transfer over to hiking? Have you tried weighted hiking with 45 + lbs?
Awesome video! Very well stated!! Keep up the great work!!
Can you do a video on your 1 rep max exercises
Thank you, i learned some great nuggets in my journey toward optimal movement. Came in handy planting trees today when i needed to break through rocks using a pick axe. Thank you for all you do!
I mean no one looks at this dude and says goals so back to squatting
You seen him now?
So many people lift purely to build muscle and improve their body aesthetically. It's not to carry over into a sport or functional movement.
It is clear that doing squats, deadlifts & bench press etc effectively builds muscle. But, as you say it's not functional and can increase risk of injury.
So, provide your alternative, instead of just saying the negatives to doing a squat or deadlift, please provide alternative exercises which will effectively build muscle for aesthetic purposes. Thanks.
L30887 search FP Channel, plenty of videos showing alternatives to traditional training method. Why would you want to train for aesthetics?
I believe that is the point Naudi is making. You're sacrificing functionality (mainly your gait) for aesthetics. It seems that heavy weightlifters have an altered gait pattern when compared to the healthy norm patterns
FP methodology, lifting heavy appropriately, and Running. Aesthetic problem solved.
Pretty simple. You can build muscle through the FP corrective exercises. First of all you'll build muscle anyway at the beginning of fp training/correction, no matter how big and muscular you were before, because you will use muscles you didn't use much before (Posterior Chain due to more load on the PC, Diaphgram, TVA, Internal/External Trunk Rotators, Adductors, Lat, Serratus, lower traps etc.) IF you do it the right way .
Im speaking of experience, I just started and if you do the stuff right, the fatigue on them muscles is actually unreal. And no, Im not a skinny guy, I weigh 290 pounds at around 20-25 % bf. Later on you just can do the fp movements in a more heavy fashion to build more muscle or just progress through complexity of the movements, that's it, no magic.
Are you telling me football players aren’t “functional” cause they squat and deadlift heavy and can outperform 99% of the population
Wow. Just wow
Tradition and popular opinion tend to cloud our ability to intellectually evolve. Following great athletes in their routine without fully understanding it is an excellent way to excel. However, this cycle of tradition gives credit by its popularity. We must not let popularity and tradition cloud our judgment. When a perspective is shared using real logical connection, we must keep an open mind despite popular opinion. Otherwise, we are simply perpetuating concepts that we don't fully understand, simply because they have worked in some form.
I think the main misconception that Naudi has is that you must train in a “sport specific” or “functional” manner.
The reason strength and conditioning coaches exist is to strengthen or improve the efficiency of motor patterns. We don’t squat to train in the saggital plane; we squat to strengthen the muscles that are responsible for hip flexion / extension and knee flexion / extension. The same principles apply to pressing, hinging, lunging, rotating, pulling, and completing a loaded carry.
Increased strength and work capacity should improve the motor pattern quality in general when they’re replicated in sports. This should lead to increased performance. In addition, increased strength of the muscles, bones, and connective tissues coupled with more efficient motor pattern replication should lead to a less likely chance of injury.
Using tools like barbells and dumbbells gives you something you can easily adjust resistance on depending on which stage you are in in terms of periodization.
To summarize, I believe Naudi has an philosophy which is rooted in good means but is executed in an incorrect fashion when it comes to training modalities.
i think you are missing the point. Why can't you load all those same motor patterns in a way that also loads hip rotation, rib cage rotation, lateral rib cage flexion, arm extension, arm flexion, elbow flexion, and elbow extension. Why are you limiting yourself to just hip and knee motions simultaneously? Becuase its easy to teach people?
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@@yankeeman7713 It's not missing the point at all. How do you propose to have maximal force production in extension in the lower limbs which is critical to almost every sporting movement if you as all of those other joint actions into a movement?
There's a reason why in S&C there are big lifts, plyometrics & ballistics and sports specific movements separated. Each trains a specific quality for adaptation that has transfer into a sporting context.
Why are all the guys who lift weights in the comments getting so defensive. He said over and over again that he's not against heavy lifting, AND after all this is someone's opinion. Respect it.
Can you give us example of functional 1RM-type exercises which can be used as substitutes for squats and deadlifts for example.?
Just curious of what he meant. Recently starting to dive in to this functional training.
Leo is a ho 1rm gives a metric for the top end of force potentiation over a certain range of motion. If that number goes up then the potential for all other associated movements goes up. A more powerful deadlift or squat can equal a more powerful clean or snatch or simply stronger quads hamstrings hips and core.
heavy loading is a phase once you reach your one rep max , you should deload and focus on other types of trainings , athlete that work on their strengths for competition yes , regular population should definitely build Up for that starting with working with their imbalance .
thanks Naudi, very good clarification. this This method changes my life. really , thanks to you and Bruno :)
Great post. Thank you
Really simplistic view here Naudi.
There is no doubt in my mind that FP is amazing for training capable bodies in 3D space. But to try and claim that training the squat will lead to "pattern overload" and a "morphing to the sagittal plane"? Really?
Why are you looking at it with the idea that the squat is the ONLY exercise a person is going to do? That's just called imbalanced training. Sure, there are tons of people who are neglecting ranges of motion in their training, and their bodies are morphing in unfavorable ways because they don't know any better. But training properly implies not doing that. To claim that the problem is with the movement pattern is extremely unfair.
Squatting--erecting from the ground--is literally the movement pattern that made us human. There is nothing wrong with training it.
Uh no bud, chimps perform that action too and they aren't human. Chimps can't walk for extended periods. Walking got us started.
Keep in mind u only know what we do on the surface, so u really don't know the benefits outside of what we show on social media. Come into the lab and then you can talk about what you do and get your techniques questioned.
Appreciate the response
@@functionalpatterns Can you demonstrate what a "functional" heavy lift is?
@@blanesherman5434 they can demonstrate what a fitness cult looks like
Hey Naudi, whas goin on? good stuff.
What do you think of swimming sprints in general for bio mechanical integrity & strength?(my style isn't that refined yet) 50m*7 mix styles, 2-3 min break between - cant do less im so out of breath il drown.
I think your application to the SAID principle is too general to offer any real meaning. To operate in the three dimensional world could mean anything
I can see that but Naudi doesnt listen to such criticisms . I take a different approach and instead of defending , I deconstruct his beliefs and try to show him that either there not true, or in this case, are sooo ambiguous and general that they serve no realistic purpose.
The problem is that Naudis belief are really based on one or two book , a personal training book and Thomas Myers Anatomy trains, which has no scientific support , but does have a useful concept. But when it comes to training and programming and such, he really butchers exercise science terms or uses them to try to show demostrate his knowledge which isnt really necessary for this audicence
@@sawoop3856 Agree
Great video I have a ?.. how would begin to train a HS Football team. And would be the foundation and principle to train them.
Thanks for the video. This makes a lot of sense and this logic is a huge growing trend
The point of deadlifts aren't to help lift oddly shaped boxes better, it's used as a tool to get stronger. Strength is the ability to exert force on an external resistance, which helps with everything. If you get your deadlift from 135 to 405 whatever circus trick functional man can throw at you won't be hard to accomplish
How to growth legs with « functionnals » exercices ?
Leo Chartrand because they are sooo skinny
Leo Chartrand i’d like to have athletic legs with fp exercices but don’t know what material i have to own, where to do workouts, how many exercices, how many times a week, etc etc
@@rodj5375 they wont help you unless you pay them, like all the best charlatans.
Show us your one rep max Exercises please
There's so much use of physiological terms spouted that it is basically unnecessary. Simply put, he does not prefer power lifts because there is no "direct" effective result to the "real world". Which is an odd statement, you can't exactly do true maximal lifts in the real world because, like he said, not all objects are barbells but isn't that why you train with barbell? the tool allows you to lift near maximal and even over our maximal weights that otherwise would be impossible for us humans without some sort of implement.
Like if you want to be the best sprinter, you would obviously practice sprinting and that is basically a form of functional training however, you would eventually reach some sort of plateau because sprinting mechanics is not the only factor in becoming the best sprinter, force production matters as well. And It just so happens that heavy core barbell movements elicit the greatest and most convenient results and unfortunately, there are no real substitutes for these movements for now.
So yeah, the heavy shit you properly lift transfers into the real world. It makes you stronger and more balanced, increasing your potential in real world movements. Contrary to his statement.
The force vectors don't add up vud. U didn't focus on the face that I mentioned force vectors. Stop it already
@@functionalpatterns Wow, a response, did not expect that. HI, nice to hear from you. Force vectors? Isn't that a just a naming convention for forces working on a body? How odd. Still, I think I get what you mean here.
You can however, add accessory movements to target all other planes of movements (sports specific or what have you) but that is basically what a any proper program will do. Regardless of what training pattern you choose. Thanks anyways!
@@ryanreviews8566 no bud, it's the direction of force relative to your bones. Perpendicular angles in relation to your bones.
Ugh! The things I wanted you to explain are the things you didn't explain. Axial loads? Lifting and deadlifting? Make those videos soon please!
What do you think Ronnie Coleman?
how are deadlifts and squats not functional? pro athletes do them all the time?
Do all movement patterns keep moderate weight .. keep it simple....i prefer moderate dumbless lifting extremely heavy not needed in real life.
As a Personal Trainer and someone progressing towards a Strength & Conditioning Coach certification, I am deeply concerned with the logic you're using. The deadlift, squat, overhead press, and many, many other exercises recruit a plethora of muscle groups in ways that emulate "real life" (i.e. I sit down in my car and get out of it: Squat; I put a box onto a high shelf: Overhead Press, etc, etc.). Please, I don't mean to be a mean asshole or anything, but please consider revising your methodologies and programming to reflect more current scientific study. Someone is going to get seriously hurt by doing some of the movements you laud as "functional". If for no other reason, consider doing this for the betterment of your business.
what does that FP logo mean?
daklu Functional Patterns
I think he means the symbol/logo, not the actual letters 'FP'. I'm curious as well..
Power.. i would assume
My guess it's a circle with a missing link
An incomplete system hahaha
Yes, it is.
Heavy lifting in moderation is absolutely essential for absolute strength development. Across the board the best combat athletes are those who use a mix of plyometric work/ heavy lifting/Olympic lifting/calisthenics etc. If a regular athlete like a wrestler did no absolute strength training (unless he was a phenom or so high in technical skill it wouldn’t matter) he would get absolutely man handled on the mat plain and simple. There is definitely room for this style of training. Heavy lifting for athletes needs to be strictly monitored and a lot of coaches fuck their athletes pushing them too hard. It’s also very dependent on what type of sport the athlete is involved in.
Infinite elgintensity
He needs to calrify who the intended audience is. My guess is he's referring to actually strong people who can move a LOT of weight. If you are squatting 200lbs keep going.
Wouldn't it be great if someone set up an ameteur association for throwing sports?
I could be wrong but it seems that's closer to what you consider a functional display of power and strength.
And it seems that your system lends itself very well to those kinds of sports.. .
What pushes the big 3 to the forefront of ppl's consciousness is competition... They are inspired and motivated by it. Even a 30yo can nurture a dream of being a powerlifter.
Whereas for sports like shot putt, discus, hammer throw.. .for most ppl, u get a shot at it in high school, then forget about it for the rest of your life.....there doesn't seem to be any adult or ameteur avenues for getting a "second chance" at these games
big weight lifters came to wrestling, and they ware moving so dumb. after I stopped heavy squats and deadlifts, and did wrestling only i could see how big a drawback it was the effect of the lifting.
Spot on. I find it so funny that there is a current thought pattern that a heavy squat or dead lift is functional, but using exercise machines are not. Try and retrieve a ball from a shrub and see how your body contorts. Squats won't help, machines won't help, having a flexible, mobile, coordinated body will.
But what if said ball was 15 lbs, with a distance of 10 inches of leverage from your shoulder joint to the ball. This is where muscular size and strength comes into play. Rather than seeing the two differently , they should compliment eachother.
That comment was meant for Robert, but the distance and weight does make a difference .
Sawoop !! I ain't no expert, but if you only want to pick that ball up once or twice, with each being in slightly different positions, then sweet, a "normal" mobile body will handle it. But if you want to pick it up for 3 sets of ten, the same way, and look in the mirror afterwards, then yes, squats would help.
That wasnt my question tho, Im specifically asking if the ball is heavier, not if you decide to do reps and sets with it. My point is that you can have all the mobility and flexibility in the world but those are just a few components of fitness.
Clancy Ross Do you mean FP as in this channel?
I would like to thank you Naudi for all your hard work and for saving my body from devastation... I always knew and feel inside that training in the gym didn't improve anything in my everyday life, of course I did feel better with exercises, but after few years of doing stupid push and pull isolated exercises I've noticed I've lost my structural connection (thanks to you explaining what is fascia and where body strength really coming from ). Without your videos I would probably fucked everything up to the point where there won't be coming back from . Thanks a lot for helping people understand what is really going on and what we should focus on . All the best from Poland :D
It gets awful abstract. Plenty of guys feel gorilla strong and have never lifted a weight in a weight room setting in their life. Farmers, iron workers, etc. plenty of guys can bench and squat and DL well but lack of any rotational application makes them feel unbalanced and weak in clinching and grappling.
And no big time bench presser can punch or strike well.
Some people can blend both as long as they aren’t becoming too specialized in bench, squat, DL.
Personally. As an old man now. I’m trying to move well and undo injury from years of traditional lifts. Using kettlebells, clubs and macebells was a huge change to getting rid of disc/back pain. SI joint mishaps and the like by restoring the way I’m supposed to move. And ROTATE my spine.
Cheers.
Any bro-scientists in da house!😝
Loaded movements that challenge your ability to generate torque, and produce mobility within joints in static and/or dynamic patterns should not be debated. All physical disciplines each with their own inherent risks and rewards, are relevant to humans that aspire to perform better, survive longer, and increase their physical capabilities. “Functional” is a buzz word. If you are a self sustaining human with minimal operation restrictions, you are functional. It is not worth overthinking. However, CrossFit…is fucking stupid.
Of course there's consequences to having a heavy bar on your back and lift it! But you already fixed that problem... you just need two resistance bands that compress your spine by about 100lbs and that will decompress your spine.
Yea! I do that several times a day.
Yea! I hurt my back back in March. Dead hangs, pull ups, hanging leg raises, etc have been key to my recovery! Even now my back doesn't hurt as much but each workout starts and ends with hanging.
Fucking LOL at implying axial loading is a negative.
Functional trainers are some of the most snobby people out there. Function is relative to the person and more so their sport/activity. When you are training to become more functional at your sport, then lifting no matter what takes a seat to the specific needs of that sport/activity. Nothing is more functional than being strong. If you are strong, it is assumed that you are also stable and mobile in all planes of movement.
Can you define what being 'strong' means exactly?
Agreed, being strong, increasing absolute strength makes everything easier.
How is it that 'absolute strength' is best achieved, and maintained ?
Good questions! Absolute strength isn't an end point, it's just your strength right now, our bodies ability to produce force. By starting with weights that are light enough to be moved within a rep range that allows you to recover and train again, ideally adding a small amount of weight each workout, or every few workouts. Naturally over time one lifts heavier, and therefore strength has increased. It's maintained like all aspects of fitness, use it or lose it, as they say!
A great functional example of the benefit of increasing total strength or absolute strength, over say "functional training", is with runners. Now I'm gonna be the first to say; "Do the thing you want to get better at", I'm a martial artist so I do martial arts to get better at it, and runners should run to get better at running, right? But we also know that if you take a marathoner, increase their barbell squat over a few months, their marathon time will improve. There are studies on this, interesting reads if you haven't come across them before, or at least the end result is interesting!
Think of each step in a run as an expression of total strength, if I weigh 70kg and can squat 50kg, it takes a higher % of my total strength to keep running at a certain speed, than if I am 70kg and can squat 150kg.
Hope that makes sense my friend!
The neuromuscular system of the human body has clearly evolved for specific tasks = standing, walking, running, throwing, jumping.
Connected with these movements are all the energy pathways in our body. When we train in alignment with our most fundamental patterns of motion our body lights up, as I am sure you have experience before in martial arts.
When we talk about "doing weights" - what movements are we talking about exactly?
How exactly do these movements take place, and what compensations does our body make to manipulate this weight? And what relevance does this movement have in relation to how we move most often in reality?
damn that observation of the parabola, is so freaking cool i gotta come down to seattle to train with the best!
respect from canada!
let's see the 1RM!
Word. Salad.
Pure pseudoscience. Also, what's this conflation if "heavy lifting" with "1 rep maxes"? You know they're not the same thing right? The majority of "heavy" training - even for peak strength - is done in the 70-92% range in any smart programme. 1RMs are for testing, not training.
Also, you "do 1RMs all the time"? Why? What for?
If these guys worried less about bamboozling beginners with "movement voodoo", and worried more more about smart programming, progression, fatigue management and proper load selection (or at least demonstrated a basic understanding of these principles), the online fitness space would be a better place.
Its crazy that he has to explain this so many times, i dont think most ppl Get the message
Very well explained sir.. Its a shame so many people refuse to be educated and instead litter your comments section with such absolute donkey poo.
To be fair, he made some really stupid videos recently. I like a lot of his stuff and some of his concepts are really good. That doesn't mean that one shouldn't have a certain amount of scepticism towards things you hear.
"I hope you found this video to be informative"... urm... no
makes perfect sense!
People do deadlifts and squats to purely get better at deadlifts and squats. Functional movement is great, but in the outside world the dude who has bigger muscles gets more props, not the dude who is functional. Unless of course they can apply that functional ability to some other activity.
nobody squats heavier than olympic lifters which has a massive acrobatic carryover and function, this video is 100% trash this guy has no credentials no studies and nothing to back up the sh!t he spews.
Dont Powerlifters lift heavier than Olympic lifters? 1000lb deadlifts and such?
@@brianserious WEll heavy back squatting did not do Ronnie Coleman's spinal columm any good in the end did it stupid exercise good for damaging your spinal columm with herniated discs and a lot of tall people are not cut out for it powerlifters lift the heavest i belive there. PS not trash at all it just makes GOOD sense i think in all honesty. No - body can tell me it doe's the spinal columm any good.
this kid is so confused
Kewl
I bet nobody talks shit on this video because of the great explanation and if they do you know it's gonna be subjective.
Awesome vid!
😂😂😂😂 chumpchange people.
Terrible info please stop making videos on this