I saw this video clip on Endtime TV channel and came here to subscribe to your channel. I have never seen the problem of Nigeria summarised in less than 7 minutes before. God bless you for speaking up. You have one follower now 🎉
WoW! I love my African brothers and sisters, but I have seen a lot of African "Prophets and Prophetess" come to America and take advantage of naive people. I have seen a lot of American Pastors and Preachers go to Africa and take advantage of my African brothers and sisters. I also see American Pastors take advantage of people who honestly seek the Lord. Thank You God I have been delivered from Gucci Pastors and Prophets. May the Lord open our eyes.
This one loud. I so much wish many will listen. Most people giving testimonies are people coming from different locations while those within still remains with there problems without solutions....
Whenever people start to inform us on how our society will move forward and progress. Positive enlightenment and free information and directions, we will never share,comment or air our opinions to encourage and help the channels. God bless you Mr liboros and farotimi and aisha yusuf and all your likes. I love and appreciate you guys❤
Wow, these names are very ready for a positive change. Others are okonji iweala, chimanda adichie, Akinwumi Adesina and many others but names like Mahmood YAKUBU will only be pleasing to a TOTALLY CORRUPT individual that is not patriotic.
This is fact, I went to meet a popular prophet for a problem I had, he said I should pay 200k this same prophets heals people for free in the congregation... I was in the congregation and could not get my problem solved, from that day I decided to pray on my own till God answers... You are absolutely right, all they are after now is milking the rich and the poor and making life hard for the poor, by using the offerings and tithe and donations to build expensive schools where average members children or even the poor can not even dream to attend... And I have not seen any graduated from this universities, inventing anything, they mostly turn out to be running abroad for jobs in better economy...
Thank you Liborious…this is why I left the popular variant of church and Christianity. Once you see, you cannot unsee…many have not seen. Thank you again Liborious.👊🏿
Im a Christian Apologist and Ive been fighting on this in local churches for a long time. You are very correct and no iota of lie is in your views. Let me add disclaimer to those who will watch and misrepresent your view: The presenter wasnt fighting Christianity nor does he hold the view that Christianity is a scam. He is doing what everyone of us should be doing and sensitizing us to stand up for the truth of our faith (Saving Gospel) that was earlier handed over to us rather than bastardized version we are having today. Cheers 😊
Good morning my son. Continue telling the truth and, the truth shall set us free . God bless you and protect us from the hands of our fake or false men of God.
Thank you so greatly, Sir Liborous Oshoma. Thank you for standing up for the truth. I love the way you addressed the recklessness and hypocrisy in today's churches.
Thank you very much for speaking boldly; you truly hit the mark. Those pastors have ensnared countless individuals, causing their powers of reasoning to be clouded.
I'm glad this change coming into d church is happening in my time. I grew up in the church and knew what church was like back in d days but unfortunately, before our eyes this charlatans turned d pulpit into something else and I had no option but to leave d church for them. But thank God truth is fighting back thru people like you. God bless you sir for speaking up for the true house of God
I thought I was the only one that have realized this scam industry. A Pastor once scammed me of my school fees. They have messed up our beautiful Christian faith especially in Nigeria. Married woman are now Loyal and submissive to their Pastors instead of their Husbands. It's very Terrible!
That was the purpose from inception, The Romans only adopted Christianity to unify their empire for easy tax collections. Nothing beautiful about Christianity, it only gives you impression that you can place your guilt and iniquities on someone else.
The religious leaders thery are not teaching there members how to make money or trade rather they teaching how to be greed.many thanks I'm proud of you sir
Thank you for the courage to address this matter. I used to be one of their victims when I was giving them my money in name of tithes. But now I use my money to help poor people in my village. Keep up the good work. I pray and hope that others will join you in educating our people from these fake men/women of god
Well said!! Let him/ her who have ears listen, and use his/her God-given brain to know and understand that God does NOT need money, though loves a cheerful giver who would give joyfully for the work of the ministry which is the opposite of what is happening now. These men are just building their empires. They are definitely not doing the work of the Kingdom as Jesus Christ demonstrated. Many of them are wolves in sheep clothing, and God would ask them on that day they stand before Him to give account.
Nigerian religious leaders simply reflect their followers ie the Nigerian people. Nigerians want a quick solution to their problems and love transactional relationships. The pastors are simply supplying the demand.
No so-called Pastor bewitched or deludes anybody without their cooperation. Those who allow themselves to be deceived will deservedly be deceived. Things are as obvious to people as they want it to be obvious to them. The truth only comes to those who seek it.
Oh my brother; thank you so much for coming out with this plain truth! I share your perspective. The era has come for Christians to personally develop a relationship with God. Christianity is NOT congregation but individual. Nigeria’s problems are not just politicians but some robbing pastors. However, I believe in tithe because I have had many encounters with God in which I will forever promote His work on earth. What are happening in some of our churches today are very sad. Bible has warned us about all the false and ungodly church leaders, May they repent sooner before it’s too late, amen. Continue my brother; it’s the truth!
Tithe is never relevant to Christianity, early Church/Christian never tithe dy give according to hw dy decided within their mind u can give below, exactly or above n amount u decide in ur mind to give is acceptable b4 God's (2 Cor 9:6-7) old testament s bn nailed to d cross ds is new testament dispensation (Rom 10:4; Hebrew 9:16-17)
This has been my concern and fight since 2023. I love the way you address this issue. Is there a way those of us who have seen this evil in our society collaborate and to share what we know and discover more way we can deliver Nigeria and Africa at large?
@@kestodventures3087what I have experienced is Pastors using one's beliefs against them. Eg a Christian believes in visions and prophecy, then they tell the person their mother or husband or wife is after their life spiritually. The person then begins to do away with all their money or property to seek for deliverance and wealth for years, sometimes decades. Once they are retired or becomes poor, they then realise how they had put all other aspects of their lives on hold cos they used their prime in chasing shadows.
@@kestodventures3087most of the victims have a good understanding of the bible, but didn't know that the supposed Pastor that should give them guidance is actually interacting with them with alterior motives. This abuse of power has destroyed many destinies and families.
Amazing and so sad that post here haddly get the views and comment. Just 20 but if its d other uninformed skit it would have garnered thousands if not millions. Nigerians re the problems of Nigeria.
👴🏽⛪We know older generation big pastors have big money, big position, anointing of King Saul who misled Israel into error. ✡️👨🏽But we are younger generation, anointing of David. 🕊️Almighty God will use us to repair damage those error pastors' god of mammon 419 tithe sermons have damaged Holy Bible doctrine in Nigeria. 🛡️We are the Davids, we defeated Goliath, and we will repair the damage Saul did upon the holy altar of Almighty God. 🛐 Amen and amen ! 🛡️We zealously, earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints in Christ Jesus. 🛡️By God's powerful anointing of young David, no G.O. pastor can stop our fresh anointing, greater is He that is in us, than he that is just an ordinary human being G.O. pastor.
This is my insult for you "GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS DEEP BLESSING YOU JUST DROPPED ON OUR RAVAGED SOULS!" I see the church damaged from inside by the cabals of selfish men calling themselves selfless men
As much as I am fully aware that many pastors now adays a wolves yet I refused to be gullible by looking at one side of the picture just as you have done. The questions are: 1. Were the givers complaining? 2. Were they hypnotized to give? 3. Are practically saying the givers are toddlers, that they can't decide for themselves? 4. Should a pastor now be scared to share their personal experiences with their own because they know you won't believe it? 5. That you don't believe it, does it mean it didn't happen? 6. Between the church and the government, which of them is killing the country? 7. Do you do this because the view is a latest discussion or you're actually pained? #myviewplease
Liborous Oshoma is a smart man, an insightful attorney. However, like many Nigerian thought leaders or intellectuals he is weak at presenting firm arguments supported by incontrovertible ideas. He unwittingly opens up his commentary with shallow points, absurd clichés and weak premises that are very easy to debunk and thwart. While I agree with him loosely on the crux of his opinion which is the abuse of the tithing doctrine, he has not really presented himself as someone who understands the complex problems of the Nigerian church specifically Pentecostalism. He has spent approximately 7 minutes making a lot of overgeneralizations, scornful remarks and emotional statements that will generate only clicks and not solutions. I will highlight a few: Weak and incorrect premise: … It is not in doubt that religion is the opium of the masses… This is a statement attributed to Karl Marx. Nowhere has it been resolved or firmly theorized to be an incontrovertible fact. Therefore you cannot say: “… it is not in doubt...” Even Karl Marx evolved on the thought over the course of his life. A better statement should have been: “According to Karl Marx, religion is the opium of the masses…” Biblically incorrect statement and argument: A lot of false prophets have taken advantage … In Nigeria…magicians have taken over the house of God… they are prophets of Baal, to them Christianity starts and ends with giving… Here, Liborous is trying to attribute falsehood in ministry to the endless monetary demand made by pastors. What an endless demand is can be very subjective. For instance, it is neither overtly stated in scripture that starting and ending a service with a monetary demand is the sign of a false prophet nor is it stated that not starting and not ending a service with a monetary demand is the sign of a genuine ministry. Unnecessary scornful remark: “What God cannot do does not exist, NA LIE!!!” I believe this statement, which is the slogan of NSPPD, is a poetic play on the biblical verse: Luke 1:37 “For with God nothing shall be impossible.” You have chosen, like many internet armchair critics, to decontextualize it, misrepresent it and then use it like a tool of scorn just so that you can land a punch line for a joke. Come on! I am certain that you are more knowledgeable than this.
Why all this theological and linguistic inexactitude ?? Abeg Park well... This your tory just dey do press up with over shifted muscles.. 2024 NA EYE OPENING YEAR!!!😅
Don't mind the so-called lawyer. He was only playing to the gallery and re-echoing sentiments that are lacking in sound and deep knowledge making rounds on the social media. If he is a true lawyer, then he should know that every claim must be supported by evidence. And if he is a scholar, he should know that every quote must be supported by a source. Imagine this man talking about tithes without knowing the types of tithes in the Bible. Maybe he thinks there is just one type. Truly, while he sounds educated, comely, and presentable, he exposed himself to ridicule. My strong word of advice to him is that before he comes to the public to air an untested argument, he should first do a proper and balanced research on whatever subject of his choosing. If not, he will be torn to shreds with his presentation. It's a good thing that he's trying to make ends meet by creating content on social media, but doing so in a controversial terrain and trying to trample down on Christianity will do him no favours.
Excuse me, we are not in the court room. The man has clearly called "thieves in suits" and warned people of the abuse of the pulpits. Don't confuse people with unnecessary grammer.
The Bible says that, their judgement is not ur hand, can't you face ur own calling, and stop judging others, just to have followers, this is d problem with Christianity, you will never see other religion judging themselves. I beg, leave judgement to God.
Sorry, you can't understand. Embrace what you believe, let me embrace what I believe. It is not all Pastors that are corrupt and it is not all Christians that are gullible. Let Christians and Pastors breathe please! And for the records, let me tell you: What God cannot do truly, does not exist.
Really what God cannot do truly does not exist? Has God answered your prayers about Nigeria and other Africa countries or did you not remember to present naija problem to God in prayer. You better wake up and borrow yourself brain and dont let these fake pastor destroy your life, your finances and your sense of reasoning. Let call a spade a spade, 98% of your Pastors over there are gullible and they are deceivers. We go to oyinbo churches here in Australia and they do not behave like your fake pastors in Africa.
So you mean to say, after God intervened and you land your dream job, He now do the job for you in this physical environment? So after your heavy prayers for success in your exam, and God listens, He then do the learning for you? After the wisdom to create wealth is given to you by divine mercy and grace, you now wait on God to now put your hands to work to become rich? This is the man's perspective
There is no doubt that a certain class of so-called preachers are doing more harm than good to Christianity. I give that to you. However, it is no surprise to some of us because the Bible forewarned us -- Matt. 7:15 - ..., 2 Cor. 11-13-15. Where you got it all wrong, naivettely wrong, was where you mentioned the tithe. Bro, you know nothing about tithing. Don't pardon my words, it's your comment on it that exposed you. Just to teach you a little bit, Google, if you may, the types of tithes in the Bible. I am sure what you will find out will make you cringe within you. As for giving, that is purely a spiritual matter. Again you know nothing about giving. Adherents of the Christian faith are supposed to be lavish givers. The Jews and Muslims consistently outgive Christians. This is no Bible study so I have no time to teach you. As for being Levites et al and receiving offering, the Bible calls us Kings and Priests (Rev. 5:10) and Apostle Paul tells us to give and sow seeds as we are persuaded within us (2 Cor. 12, Rom. 9, Heb.6). Oga, if you want to know more about spiritual things, attend a Bible teaching church or simply enrol in a theological school. No come public come dey fall your hand. And don't allow the devil to use you more than those you allege are destroying Christianity.
Sir if you are still in support of tithing then you need someone to sit you down and explain the scriptures to you, tithing should be paid only by revelation not doctrine, don't be deceived by anyone telling you to pay tithe, you need to read your Bible with understanding and that's where most Christians get it wrong, you really need to understand the tithing doctrine very well, don't read Malachi 3 as a basis for tithing, you need to understand how tithing started and why it was practiced and its progression from the old testament to new testament, and secondly you said Apostle paul said we should sow seed and I can tell you for a fact that's a big lie, that's reading the bible out of context, you don't just read a bible verse without understanding the subject matter, those verse you quote his not talking about sowing seed as money, this is why I said you have to read with understanding, the only one I agree with you is giving, yes as a Christian it's our duty to give generously to support the work of God,may God give you understanding, God bless you
😂 you too dey fall your hand. You have just inadvertently joined the gang of the ignoramus. Your tithe, gift, seed, sacrifice and the one you call offering all come under one major name. And that is offering. As Christians, we should do better than the Old Testament folks (Matt. 5:20). That said, you agreed we should give lavishly. Good. With what yardstick do you measure that? It is the yard stick of the Old Testament. For your info, there are at least 3 types of tithes in the Old Testament. Then you must give your offerings, and offer your sacrifices. What we call seed today is what was called sacrifice. Although, there are other forms of sacrifice. So, to be a lavish giver to God's work, you have to give more than what is stipulated in the OT. Until you know about tithes, sacrifices, gifts, and offerings in the OT, you cannot do better now. Mr. Chicken head, have you learned something?
Somebody is saying the raw truth but your mumu daddy GO's have destroyed your ability to engage in critical thinking... You're seeing the truth but still in denial
I saw this video clip on Endtime TV channel and came here to subscribe to your channel. I have never seen the problem of Nigeria summarised in less than 7 minutes before.
God bless you for speaking up.
You have one follower now 🎉
I share the same experience with you, bro.
WoW! I love my African brothers and sisters, but I have seen a lot of African "Prophets and Prophetess" come to America and take advantage of naive people. I have seen a lot of American Pastors and Preachers go to Africa and take advantage of my African brothers and sisters. I also see American Pastors take advantage of people who honestly seek the Lord. Thank You God I have been delivered from Gucci Pastors and Prophets. May the Lord open our eyes.
Great truth and facts cascaded chronological for the wise and those who want to be free from religious and mental slavery... PULPIT BANDITS...
Amazing exhortation! Thanks for being a part of the awaken ones! Thanks for mustering the courage to speak truth to organized religion...
This one loud. I so much wish many will listen. Most people giving testimonies are people coming from different locations while those within still remains with there problems without solutions....
Fools lack boldness, you have the boldness.
I am shocked who bewitched us.
Whenever people start to inform us on how our society will move forward and progress. Positive enlightenment and free information and directions, we will never share,comment or air our opinions to encourage and help the channels.
God bless you Mr liboros and farotimi and aisha yusuf and all your likes. I love and appreciate you guys❤
Wow, these names are very ready for a positive change. Others are okonji iweala, chimanda adichie, Akinwumi Adesina and many others but names like Mahmood YAKUBU will only be pleasing to a TOTALLY CORRUPT individual that is not patriotic.
Brilliant presentation. Weldone bro.
This is fact, I went to meet a popular prophet for a problem I had, he said I should pay 200k this same prophets heals people for free in the congregation... I was in the congregation and could not get my problem solved, from that day I decided to pray on my own till God answers...
You are absolutely right, all they are after now is milking the rich and the poor and making life hard for the poor, by using the offerings and tithe and donations to build expensive schools where average members children or even the poor can not even dream to attend...
And I have not seen any graduated from this universities, inventing anything, they mostly turn out to be running abroad for jobs in better economy...
Thank you Liborious…this is why I left the popular variant of church and Christianity.
Once you see, you cannot unsee…many have not seen.
Thank you again Liborious.👊🏿
This is one of the best Episode........
Thank you sir, for speaking my mind.
Thank you also for revealing that Deut. 14:22-29.
That's the home truth and Almighty God protect you dear brother.
im leaving the church and starting my God given ministry as a missionary
Im a Christian Apologist and Ive been fighting on this in local churches for a long time. You are very correct and no iota of lie is in your views.
Let me add disclaimer to those who will watch and misrepresent your view: The presenter wasnt fighting Christianity nor does he hold the view that Christianity is a scam. He is doing what everyone of us should be doing and sensitizing us to stand up for the truth of our faith (Saving Gospel) that was earlier handed over to us rather than bastardized version we are having today.
Cheers 😊
Good morning my son. Continue telling the truth and, the truth shall set us free . God bless you and protect us from the hands of our fake or false men of God.
Thanks for this message, i just hope Nigerians and Africans will learn
They cyn learn in hard way
The problem we have in Africa and Nigeria is Religious leader and politics
Thank you so greatly, Sir Liborous Oshoma. Thank you for standing up for the truth. I love the way you addressed the recklessness and hypocrisy in today's churches.
Thank you for this truth about these end time pastors called by their tummies and not the God of universe that I know.
Let the truth be told...
God Almighty will bless your work my brother.
If I nor watch Mr, Liborous wetin I gain. May you continue to live long sir, with your words of enlightenment series
Me too bro
If I no waste my data on Liborous, wetin I learn 😊
Thank you very much for speaking boldly; you truly hit the mark. Those pastors have ensnared countless individuals, causing their powers of reasoning to be clouded.
Oba pikin,God will bless you academically and healthily. Cos, you are financially blessed.
I concur absolutely. The church is not living up to the injuctions of Jesus Christ.
I'm glad this change coming into d church is happening in my time. I grew up in the church and knew what church was like back in d days but unfortunately, before our eyes this charlatans turned d pulpit into something else and I had no option but to leave d church for them. But thank God truth is fighting back thru people like you. God bless you sir for speaking up for the true house of God
I thought I was the only one that have realized this scam industry. A Pastor once scammed me of my school fees. They have messed up our beautiful Christian faith especially in Nigeria. Married woman are now Loyal and submissive to their Pastors instead of their Husbands. It's very Terrible!
That was the purpose from inception, The Romans only adopted Christianity to unify their empire for easy tax collections. Nothing beautiful about Christianity, it only gives you impression that you can place your guilt and iniquities on someone else.
It's the married women replacing their husbands with their pastor for me. A genuine Pastor should discourage this.
The religious leaders thery are not teaching there members how to make money or trade rather they teaching how to be greed.many thanks I'm proud of you sir
Absolutely amazing.
Truth is biter thank you my brother, tell them
God bless you sir
God will always do only what he wants to do.
Thank you for the courage to address this matter. I used to be one of their victims when I was giving them my money in name of tithes. But now I use my money to help poor people in my village. Keep up the good work. I pray and hope that others will join you in educating our people from these fake men/women of god
I need you to lead us to save many under this opium's
I feel you man. Everything you're saying is the truth. God bless you
Thank you very much. For saving life and taking ppl out of enslavement.
You have spoken well
I am happy to meet you on this social media. God bless you l was once a victim of blind follower ship without thinking anymore
Well said!! Let him/ her who have ears listen, and use his/her God-given brain to know and understand that God does NOT need money, though loves a cheerful giver who would give joyfully for the work of the ministry which is the opposite of what is happening now. These men are just building their empires. They are definitely not doing the work of the Kingdom as Jesus Christ demonstrated. Many of them are wolves in sheep clothing, and God would ask them on that day they stand before Him to give account.
Same thing I have been saying. Good thing you have given your voice to this good cause. And people attack daddy freeze
Liborous always makes my day. 👏
Thank you so much. You said far better than I could. For those who have ears, let them hear.
Absolutely right.
Nigerian religious leaders simply reflect their followers ie the Nigerian people. Nigerians want a quick solution to their problems and love transactional relationships. The pastors are simply supplying the demand.
This is a Brain opener thanks for this
No so-called Pastor bewitched or deludes anybody without their cooperation. Those who allow themselves to be deceived will deservedly be deceived. Things are as obvious to people as they want it to be obvious to them. The truth only comes to those who seek it.
Oh my brother; thank you so much for coming out with this plain truth! I share your perspective. The era has come for Christians to personally develop a relationship with God. Christianity is NOT congregation but individual. Nigeria’s problems are not just politicians but some robbing pastors. However, I believe in tithe because I have had many encounters with God in which I will forever promote His work on earth. What are happening in some of our churches today are very sad. Bible has warned us about all the false and ungodly church leaders, May they repent sooner before it’s too late, amen. Continue my brother; it’s the truth!
i give my tithes to the needy not to those greedy pastors that we use my money to buy private jet.
Tithe is never relevant to Christianity, early Church/Christian never tithe dy give according to hw dy decided within their mind u can give below, exactly or above n amount u decide in ur mind to give is acceptable b4 God's (2 Cor 9:6-7) old testament s bn nailed to d cross ds is new testament dispensation (Rom 10:4; Hebrew 9:16-17)
They build schools and still charge tithe paying members school fees which the members can never afford. Kai!
If they built a school and asked you their member to volunteer free teaching services all the days of your life, would you? Cheap thinking!
Greatly said. God bless you
May God bless you my luminary. You are too good dear
Straight to the point.
Everything you say is true.
True Council
This has been my concern and fight since 2023. I love the way you address this issue. Is there a way those of us who have seen this evil in our society collaborate and to share what we know and discover more way we can deliver Nigeria and Africa at large?
Yes you're right 💯
Well said sir...respect
Bold of u bro, we are in d same taught n page, God bless u bro
Concise enlightenment ❤❤
You are right.
God bless you!
Thanks a lot 💯 truth
They have turn it to business😂😂
U nailed it..
A good sermon!
My family suffered because of imaginary expectations.
They suffered for lack of knowledge and vision, which the Bible says that if anyone lacked, they would suffer.
@@kestodventures3087what I have experienced is Pastors using one's beliefs against them. Eg a Christian believes in visions and prophecy, then they tell the person their mother or husband or wife is after their life spiritually. The person then begins to do away with all their money or property to seek for deliverance and wealth for years, sometimes decades. Once they are retired or becomes poor, they then realise how they had put all other aspects of their lives on hold cos they used their prime in chasing shadows.
@@kestodventures3087most of the victims have a good understanding of the bible, but didn't know that the supposed Pastor that should give them guidance is actually interacting with them with alterior motives. This abuse of power has destroyed many destinies and families.
Keep up the good work. He who has ears let him hear.
I can't say much. Thank you
Thank you sir
FOLLOW JESUS. LET THE HOLY SPIRIT LEAD YOU TO WHERE TO WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. BE LED BY THE SPIRIT TO GIVE.
Comfirm sir
Watch out y’all, those thieves and their minions are already in the comment section.
Amazing and so sad that post here haddly get the views and comment. Just 20 but if its d other uninformed skit it would have garnered thousands if not millions.
Nigerians re the problems of Nigeria.
😂😂😂😂😂God have mercy
NSPPDians will you allow this man go Scott free????
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👴🏽⛪We know older generation big pastors have big money, big position, anointing of King Saul who misled Israel into error.
✡️👨🏽But we are younger generation, anointing of David.
🕊️Almighty God will use us to repair damage those error pastors' god of mammon 419 tithe sermons have damaged Holy Bible doctrine in Nigeria.
🛡️We are the Davids, we defeated Goliath, and we will repair the damage Saul did upon the holy altar of Almighty God.
🛐 Amen and amen !
🛡️We zealously, earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints in Christ Jesus.
🛡️By God's powerful anointing of young David, no G.O. pastor can stop our fresh anointing, greater is He that is in us, than he that is just an ordinary human being G.O. pastor.
Explicit
Na waaoo
This is my insult for you "GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS DEEP BLESSING YOU JUST DROPPED ON OUR RAVAGED SOULS!" I see the church damaged from inside by the cabals of selfish men calling themselves selfless men
As much as I am fully aware that many pastors now adays a wolves yet I refused to be gullible by looking at one side of the picture just as you have done.
The questions are:
1. Were the givers complaining?
2. Were they hypnotized to give?
3. Are practically saying the givers are toddlers, that they can't decide for themselves?
4. Should a pastor now be scared to share their personal experiences with their own because they know you won't believe it?
5. That you don't believe it, does it mean it didn't happen?
6. Between the church and the government, which of them is killing the country?
7. Do you do this because the view is a latest discussion or you're actually pained?
#myviewplease
Liborous Oshoma is a smart man, an insightful attorney. However, like many Nigerian thought leaders or intellectuals he is weak at presenting firm arguments supported by incontrovertible ideas. He unwittingly opens up his commentary with shallow points, absurd clichés and weak premises that are very easy to debunk and thwart.
While I agree with him loosely on the crux of his opinion which is the abuse of the tithing doctrine, he has not really presented himself as someone who understands the complex problems of the Nigerian church specifically Pentecostalism. He has spent approximately 7 minutes making a lot of overgeneralizations, scornful remarks and emotional statements that will generate only clicks and not solutions.
I will highlight a few:
Weak and incorrect premise:
… It is not in doubt that religion is the opium of the masses…
This is a statement attributed to Karl Marx. Nowhere has it been resolved or firmly theorized to be an incontrovertible fact. Therefore you cannot say: “… it is not in doubt...” Even Karl Marx evolved on the thought over the course of his life. A better statement should have been: “According to Karl Marx, religion is the opium of the masses…”
Biblically incorrect statement and argument:
A lot of false prophets have taken advantage … In Nigeria…magicians have taken over the house of God… they are prophets of Baal, to them Christianity starts and ends with giving…
Here, Liborous is trying to attribute falsehood in ministry to the endless monetary demand made by pastors. What an endless demand is can be very subjective. For instance, it is neither overtly stated in scripture that starting and ending a service with a monetary demand is the sign of a false prophet nor is it stated that not starting and not ending a service with a monetary demand is the sign of a genuine ministry.
Unnecessary scornful remark:
“What God cannot do does not exist, NA LIE!!!”
I believe this statement, which is the slogan of NSPPD, is a poetic play on the biblical verse: Luke 1:37 “For with God nothing shall be impossible.”
You have chosen, like many internet armchair critics, to decontextualize it, misrepresent it and then use it like a tool of scorn just so that you can land a punch line for a joke.
Come on! I am certain that you are more knowledgeable than this.
So much grammar with little understanding of the subject matter.
Why all this theological and linguistic inexactitude ?? Abeg Park well... This your tory just dey do press up with over shifted muscles.. 2024 NA EYE OPENING YEAR!!!😅
👏 👏 👏
Don't mind the so-called lawyer. He was only playing to the gallery and re-echoing sentiments that are lacking in sound and deep knowledge making rounds on the social media.
If he is a true lawyer, then he should know that every claim must be supported by evidence. And if he is a scholar, he should know that every quote must be supported by a source.
Imagine this man talking about tithes without knowing the types of tithes in the Bible. Maybe he thinks there is just one type.
Truly, while he sounds educated, comely, and presentable, he exposed himself to ridicule.
My strong word of advice to him is that before he comes to the public to air an untested argument, he should first do a proper and balanced research on whatever subject of his choosing. If not, he will be torn to shreds with his presentation.
It's a good thing that he's trying to make ends meet by creating content on social media, but doing so in a controversial terrain and trying to trample down on Christianity will do him no favours.
Excuse me, we are not in the court room. The man has clearly called "thieves in suits" and warned people of the abuse of the pulpits. Don't confuse people with unnecessary grammer.
The Bible says that, their judgement is not ur hand, can't you face ur own calling, and stop judging others, just to have followers, this is d problem with Christianity, you will never see other religion judging themselves. I beg, leave judgement to God.
Sorry, you can't understand. Embrace what you believe, let me embrace what I believe. It is not all Pastors that are corrupt and it is not all Christians that are gullible. Let Christians and Pastors breathe please! And for the records, let me tell you: What God cannot do truly, does not exist.
Really what God cannot do truly does not exist? Has God answered your prayers about Nigeria and other Africa countries or did you not remember to present naija problem to God in prayer. You better wake up and borrow yourself brain and dont let these fake pastor destroy your life, your finances and your sense of reasoning. Let call a spade a spade, 98% of your Pastors over there are gullible and they are deceivers. We go to oyinbo churches here in Australia and they do not behave like your fake pastors in Africa.
So you mean to say, after God intervened and you land your dream job, He now do the job for you in this physical environment?
So after your heavy prayers for success in your exam, and God listens, He then do the learning for you?
After the wisdom to create wealth is given to you by divine mercy and grace, you now wait on God to now put your hands to work to become rich? This is the man's perspective
There's nothing like some. They are all corrupt.
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There is no doubt that a certain class of so-called preachers are doing more harm than good to Christianity. I give that to you. However, it is no surprise to some of us because the Bible forewarned us -- Matt. 7:15 - ..., 2 Cor. 11-13-15.
Where you got it all wrong, naivettely wrong, was where you mentioned the tithe. Bro, you know nothing about tithing. Don't pardon my words, it's your comment on it that exposed you.
Just to teach you a little bit, Google, if you may, the types of tithes in the Bible. I am sure what you will find out will make you cringe within you.
As for giving, that is purely a spiritual matter. Again you know nothing about giving. Adherents of the Christian faith are supposed to be lavish givers. The Jews and Muslims consistently outgive Christians. This is no Bible study so I have no time to teach you.
As for being Levites et al and receiving offering, the Bible calls us Kings and Priests (Rev. 5:10) and Apostle Paul tells us to give and sow seeds as we are persuaded within us (2 Cor. 12, Rom. 9, Heb.6).
Oga, if you want to know more about spiritual things, attend a Bible teaching church or simply enrol in a theological school.
No come public come dey fall your hand. And don't allow the devil to use you more than those you allege are destroying Christianity.
Sir if you are still in support of tithing then you need someone to sit you down and explain the scriptures to you, tithing should be paid only by revelation not doctrine, don't be deceived by anyone telling you to pay tithe, you need to read your Bible with understanding and that's where most Christians get it wrong, you really need to understand the tithing doctrine very well, don't read Malachi 3 as a basis for tithing, you need to understand how tithing started and why it was practiced and its progression from the old testament to new testament, and secondly you said Apostle paul said we should sow seed and I can tell you for a fact that's a big lie, that's reading the bible out of context, you don't just read a bible verse without understanding the subject matter, those verse you quote his not talking about sowing seed as money, this is why I said you have to read with understanding, the only one I agree with you is giving, yes as a Christian it's our duty to give generously to support the work of God,may God give you understanding, God bless you
Why should you tell me what to do? Are you me?
😂 you too dey fall your hand. You have just inadvertently joined the gang of the ignoramus.
Your tithe, gift, seed, sacrifice and the one you call offering all come under one major name. And that is offering.
As Christians, we should do better than the Old Testament folks (Matt. 5:20).
That said, you agreed we should give lavishly. Good. With what yardstick do you measure that? It is the yard stick of the Old Testament.
For your info, there are at least 3 types of tithes in the Old Testament. Then you must give your offerings, and offer your sacrifices. What we call seed today is what was called sacrifice. Although, there are other forms of sacrifice.
So, to be a lavish giver to God's work, you have to give more than what is stipulated in the OT. Until you know about tithes, sacrifices, gifts, and offerings in the OT, you cannot do better now.
Mr. Chicken head, have you learned something?
this is nonsense , you are just a Saul
You're very docile... That pastor on your display picture is the biggest th!ef
My Brother you are just way to carnal. You're talking from your flesh, if you're spiritual you'll not vomit this
Don't mind him. He ventured into a subject that he has no indepth knowledge of. Imagine a carpenter trying to tell a.mechanic how to fix a car...😅.
Somebody is saying the raw truth but your mumu daddy GO's have destroyed your ability to engage in critical thinking... You're seeing the truth but still in denial
Carnal ke? If tithe and offering was not in the bible will you start a church? Pulpit bandit.
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