unpacking Euphoria's toxic love triangle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- A character analysis of Maddy, Cassie and Nate, highlighting how Euphoria developed the characters leading up to their toxic love triangle.
Timestamps:
0:00 The Love Triangle
0:50 Maddy Perez
2:47 Cassie Howard
4:08 The Glorification Argument
7:42 Nate Jacobs
11:27 The Love Triangle Part 2
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Euphoria (HBO) Created by: Sam Levinson
Starring: Zendaya, Hunter Schafer, Jacob Elordi, Sydney Sweeney, Angus Cloud, Maude Apatow, Alexa Demie, Barbie Ferreira, Algee Smith, Eric Dane, Austin Abrams
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Hot take tho: Nate was the one who was flirting with Jules over online, wasn’t that when he was dating Maddy? Wouldn’t you technically say he was cheating on Maddy with Jules?
He for sure did
omg so true but when he kissed jules, him & maddy were broken up right?
@@abbyr5127 no, they were together. He kissed Jules right after the carnival (right after he assaulted Maddy), and they were back together by then.
that’s so gross
Absolutely 100%. He's a true scum bag.
deeply appreciate the drag of McKay/Cassie. People REALLY sugarcoat how ashamed of Cassie he was, and I honestly think she was more passive with him than Nate.
l honestly think
In my opinion, there was no chemistry between these two so I was just waiting for them to finally break up lmao
Also the fact that Mckay pressured her to get an abortion because he didn't want to jeopardize his college career, and then didnt even bother to show up to support her while she was getting the procedure done.
@@angelaportillo6777 im all for abortions if you want them, but forcing someone ti go through one and not even being with her during it makes me sick.
terrible interacial relationship- your aries literature made a post about it and other inbteracial relationships,but its been archived, basically what she said was that it was very weird for Mckays rape scene to be not adressed properly and centred around cassies feelings rather than his and its made worse that Mckay was written out of the show
Jules: loves loving unloved
Maddy: in love with the idea of love
Cassie: in love with being loved
3 opposites oop
Oh god. Just realized I’m in love with being loved….fuuuuuuck
Nate: loves loving people
I'm gonna sound dumb but what does loves loving unloved mean?
@@hectorpacheco5154 fucking *
One of my favorite parts of the love triangle was the party when they were trapped in the bathroom, and McKay shows up!!! I also think Nate got a little kick out of having two best friends wanting to be with him
Yeah also how possessive Nate got in the kitchen with McKay
BTW, why did mckay like disappear?🤣
@@loopeterno Yeah just completely vanished. Tbf he's in college and after he broke up with Cassie he didn't have a reason to come back to school?
@@SceneItReviews oh he was older?🤣
@@loopeterno College boy, one year out of school I think.
I would argue that this is actually the best outcome for maddy. She gets to walk away from a toxic and abusive relationship and become her best self. She's so much happier when she's not with nate.
Maddie was the winner cuz she bettered her self and had some dignity ❤
@@annaleevalfig1119 maddy accused an innocent man of rape, she doesn’t deserve shit.
@@jakeraught4939”but she’s so queen tho 🤪”
@@jakeraught4939 "She accused an innocent man of rape.” He knowingly slept with a minor, consequences suck.
@@jakeraught4939 "She ruined an innocent man's life.” He knowingly slept with a minor, consequences suck.
I wish they focused on and actually mentioned Cassie sleeping with Maddie’s abuser, instead it was framed as Cassie simply violating girl code when it was so much more than that.
Exactly, idk he dropped the ball a few times, but idk why I expected anything different from someone who doesn't have the capacity or verbage to address the Mickay "grape" scene.
I think Maddie and Cassie fighting makes sense because they're best friends and have been for years. This is a major betrayal of trust built over years. If my best friend of years slept had with my ex 3 weeks (and 3 days) after we broke up, I might've slammed her into a wall too.
exactly. their fight was beyond boy drama. It was deep for maddy and she even went to Cassie hiding in the bathroom and asked her was it worth it. Cassie completely violated her and pretended to be a shoulder to cry on all while hooking up with her ex. AN EX THAT ABUSED HER AT THAT!
I wouldn't have slammed her over a wall, but I'd be heartbroken. Specially since Cazz knows how badly Nate has hurt Maddie over the years. But I'd be like "Good Riddance", enjoy your mess MTRFRS, which is basically what Maddie ended up doing.
Exactly.
man i'd pull a nate jacobs on my bsf and frame her for a crime she did't do
Yup! Either way it's wrong
I was using public facilities when season 2 was airing and I overhead a group of teenaged girls saying "We love watching Euphoria because we love drugs."
I can't even begin to explain how much this irked me. Misinterpreting the entire message of the show.
Yeah hate that. Same shit happened with Skins
Im probably alone in this, but Lexi’s play was fucked up. I don’t care how upset I am at my sibling, I’d never do that to them. Then the mom has the nerve to praise Lexi at the expense of Cassie.
Ehhh I would have done the same thing
Yeah that part really messed me up, I didn't understand it at all. Unless to her mom, she's so disconnected from real life bc of her drinking that she doesn't believe it's the truth.
Cassie was a bully though, she got what she deserved. As a big sibling you’re supposed to look after your little siblings and set a good example. Cassie wanted to be seen so bad she treated her little sister like a flea.
@@jandreacolon but ….when did she treat her like that? Season 1 we saw how well they got along and season 2 I didn’t see enough to warrant what Lexi did. Show casing her sister having an orgasm in front of everyone IS FUCKED UP. And I never saw Cassie bully anyone. Maddy, straight up bullied but I didn’t see Cassie do that.
She’s extremely vain and self centered but she didn’t deserve to have her private life put on display for the entire school to see by her own sister.
My big brother wasn’t great but I’d never do something like this to him.
yeah lexi fucked up tbh she didn’t even ask anyone if she could share their personal info for her play. like the scenes in the play that include her and her memories/experiences yeah she can speak on that, they’re hers it’s okay, but there was a good amount of scenes that had nothing to do with lexi and i would’ve smacked her upside the head for not asking me first if it was okay to put out my personal business like that.
No, listen. We went through this with Skins. I watched it as a teen and I noticed how horrible their lives were and assumed every other teenager would think the same and I could not have been more wrong. So many people, specially girls, romanticised it. It's not about the show saying "they have a bad life" is the fact that they look pretty and cool while suffering.
So by this argument no art that deals with negative subject matter can feature attractive people or good production value? If every piece of media had to be reduced to the 'safest' version of itself because of the possibility of some demographic being negatively influenced or offended nothing would ever be made.
That's the purpose of censorship/rating systems. Shackling the creativity of media for the sake of simplifying it to the least perceptive audience is just plain lazy.
@@SceneItReviews the problem is the rating. It should be higher, so kids don't mistake media that deals with heavy subject matter.
@@happilyevernever4289 Agreed, the age restrictions seem to range from 14-18 depending on what country you're in - so clearly this is too broad
@@SceneItReviews it should be 16 and up or something imo.
@@SceneItReviews have you ever watched Trainspotting? phenomenal cinematography, sort of a dreamlike effect, yet you would rather eat dirt than do heroin after watching the movie. you know why? because that’s what the director wanted you to feel. the people making euphoria want you to think they’re making a gritty, “real”, difficult story, but what they’re really making is an oversexualized teen drama whose sole purpose is to inspire makeup tutorials and “maddie being a bad bitch for 5 minute straight” videos.
there is no depth to this show, and i urge you to watch better television
This is not so relevant but I think the title doesn't only refer to Rue and her addiction but also everyone else in the show (the main characters especially) who seem to all be chasing some kind of high or feeling that is 'euphoria' for them
(This was also mentioned in your 'What Makes Euphoria Special' video)
That’s a good observation
Yeah every single character seems to be addicted to something, which warps their reality.
I think its the passion? Maddy's dad is shown to be unpassionet and to not care for his relationship with Maddys mother, (he's given up). What appears to Maddy with Nate, is he **is** passionate, he does seemingly care for the relationship. Doesn't matter if its toxic or not, she just doesn't wanna end up like her parents
I do believe in this opinion specially because she says in an episode that her brain is not wired to deal with a normal, simple and plain relationship, meaning that she craves that constant edge. At least that's my take
Honestly….if she had stayed with Nate, she would’ve probably ended up like her parents. In the Season 2 finale when Maddy talked about wanting to get back together with Nate, I thought to myself “Maddy is stupid for that” because of all Nate’s bullshit but then I remembered….victims of toxic and abusive relationships usually are so caught up, and in manipulated by their abuser so much that they want to stay with them. I know a lot of girls are rooting for Nate, and don’t hate on him at all because he’s “attractive” but in reality….both Maddy and Cassie could do much better than him. Just because a guy is physically attractive, if he doesn’t have good morals and if he isn’t respectful towards everyone around him, and doesn’t try to take care of himself….than stay away from him.
Lots of respect for avoiding the usual catfight scene. The lack of love from all those characters is so glaring and violent, this is more a power triangle than a love one.
And I'm floored by the cinematography. The play had moments with deep darkness and characters emerging into the light, straight out of the Tenebrism art movement. Magnificent!
I LOVE that they had an episode dedicated to the play haha.
Higher production value than most Broadway productions, but we'll let a small nitpick like that slide ;)
@@SceneItReviews Hahahaha yeah, we also commented here about how absurd their budget must have been, with a rotating platform integrated into the floors.
@@PruneauYT I KNOWWW haha. The lighting/set/smokemachine set-up was next level.
@@SceneItReviewsthat’s why they say euphoria uses cinematographic resources that give the illusion of what it feels like to the people living and experimenting this stuff rather than what it actually would be like if these were real life scenarios.
When I was younger I was a Cassie. It’s such a terrible way to live, constantly and desperately searching for love from people who could never truly give it to you. These days I’ve grown and learned many hard lessons, but I see myself in Cassie and it breaks my heart every time
Same.
He's in love with Jules. He admitted that to her on episode 7 'i meant everything I ever said.' why are people intentionally leaving out Jules and Nate? That is one of the central story points. Also, he made Cassie up to look like Jules in his montage where she's like 'u can control everything.' so?¿
THANK YOU!!!!! Seriously!!!! Sometimes I feel like some people are watching a different show.
What about Maddy too
Nate cannot love anybody. He’s a narcissist and anti social.
Yes, exactly! When I watched Euphoria after my friend suggested it, I immediately noticed that Jules and Nate's storyline is not just very interesting and complex but is arguably one of the most important ones in the show. And imagine my confusion and shock when people who watched the same show didn't notice it all??? Turns out people couldn't connect the dots and figure out that even the whole love triangle thing in S2 happened because of Nate's surprisingly deep and honest feelings for Jules and his attempt to hide and deny it.
I really hope that this storyline will be explored in S3 because it's just too good to abandon.
Loved this video!! I’m so happy you called out McKay-I find that people overlook how shitty he actually was in some aspects.
I also wanted to add something that I noticed in the end of season 2 and it’s that Maddie says she doesn’t even care about what Cassie did with Nate, it was about their friendship. Maddie, being portrayed as violent and all, still wanted to have a conversation with Cassie and possibly work it out. There was love in the triangle between the girls. However, because of Cassie’s daddy issues, she doesnt deem the female love in her life as important as she deems male “love” which is why its seems she ignores having the conversation with Maddie. I think that the fight scene in the end did a huge disservice to that message.
Yeah that's a great point I hadn't thought of!
Cassie's relationships to women are essentially 'taken for granted' (her mum, Lexi, Maddy) as she's expending all her energy looking for a father figure.
THIS is such an important thing. Ik if Cassie would've just been clear with Maddy about everything & would've just apologised and confessed how sorry she was, Maddy would've let her be happy with Nate. But Cassie brought it upon herself by not even letting her BESTF talk about it...ig she was lowkey scared that she'll point out how toxic Nate is & she was ready to take the heat upon herself than letting someone label Nate the bad guy
Spot on! 😌
@@ipshitakanungo3025 cassie should've took accountability, but i don't think even with permission, maddy will allow her to be with nate. Remember, she and nate were in the process of working it out and getting back together. Cassie was just the odd number.
This!! I also think we need to address the fact that Suze isn’t a good mom, and Lexi isn’t a good sister. When they showed Lexi’s play and Suze’s reaction to her parts, I thought “this is embarrassing” because I don’t think Suze realized that she was being portrayed negatively in the play. Now, while Lexi didn’t really discuss much of her traumas…..whenever she did, all Suze did was laugh, she didn’t even try to take it seriously….and then when Cassie was being humiliated by Lexi, Suze was trying to defend Lexi without realizing that as the mother…..she’s part of the problem. Everyone wants to say that Cassie needs to learn how to take accountability for her actions, and while yes that is 100% true…..considering that all those years she was a child, um who do you think is supposed to teach her that? Her parents, in that case her own mother but Suze didn’t do that at all. I think the only times that I ever saw Suze be a good mom to Cassie was right before they went to the family party in Season 1 and she told Cassie that she was perfect (Cassie was feeling insecure about her body) and then when Cassie got her abortion. After that, she stopped being a mother to her. Then with Lexi…..yes Lexi had her problems to, but she lacks empathy and honestly….some people wanna say that she’s the better Howard sister, nope she’s the worse Howard sister. I understand that Lexi also felt insecure because she didn’t have boobs but Cassie did, but that’s not Cassie”s fault….she went through puberty at an early age and she had no control over that, it’s not like she could’ve sliced her boobs off and given them to Lexi. If she was feeling so insecure she could’ve staged an intervention with Cassie and her mom, and just talked it all out. Lexi only put on that play to humiliate her sister, and it never seemed like she ever truly loved Cassie either….same with Suze, she just sexualized her, and shamed for her making mistakes that as the parent…she should’ve taught Cassie to never make. That’s probably why Cassie was willing to give up her friendship with Maddy because she never really had any positive and loving females in her life. While she needed her father, she also needed her mother but her mother was too busy being an alcoholic.
as a creative myself i love this show!!!! the issue is that young people watching this show do not have the ability to seperate things in the logical manner that we do as adults. whether we want to believe it or not these things have an impact.
Yeah it's a bit of a creative paradox - how subliminal can you be in a show with such serious topics/what do you think your audience will understand.
It's also doubly difficult in the streaming era because age restrictions on content mean nothing. Where I live, I'm pretty sure the Euphoria age restriction is 16+ or something, but as kids can stream without parent supervision I'm sure there are plenty of 12 year olds watching it and won't be able understand a lot of the messages.
@@SceneItReviews exactly....but the show is so darn good!!!
That’s not true??? Teens very much have the ability to separate fiction from reality
@@annabelcrescibene4257 Agreed teens can seperate fiction from reality.
But very young viewers won't be able to connect with the more adult content (i.e any teens who haven't had a sexual relationship won't really be able to truly empathise with any of the warped sexual encounters in the show).
Which is obviously true for any show, but it's probably more in the limelight for Euphoria purely based on the amount of twelvies tweeting "OMG MADDY AND NATE 4EVA" after an objectively toxic scene of the two.
TLDR; Ratings can be lame, but in some instances censorship of content can be beneficial for younger viewers. Just harder to police age-rated content in the age of streaming.
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I like the writing of Euphoria. Because it shows everyone of them addicted to something, or someone.
I’m a soon to be 27 year old watching this and having been through a lot of this with my peer group already. I can’t imagine watching this during my teenage or even college years because I think I would have experienced a subconscious pressure to compare my life to theirs and make sure mine was as dramatic as theirs -even if it was fucked up. Being removed from it I can watch with a safe level detachment
yes!!!! at last someone calling out McKay!!!!
Down with McKay!
@@SceneItReviews 💯👋👋👋
Euphoria doesn't glorify anything. Yes the characters are attractive, because they're actors, and it's a show. But that's literally it because Idk a single other show that more realistically portrays how fucked up drugs are and how hard life can be especially for teens. So thank you for saying that! I feel like people who say any part of it is glorifying either never actually watched it or are just not very bright.
"I feel like" your own assertion isn't so enlightened. The higher the drama, the more potential for romanticization, no matter the subject matter. Everyone knows on an intellectual level that drugs are destructive. Judgement, inhibition, boundaries, and risk-taking are functions that are only beginning to evolve during youth. Your first 20 years are either too close or too distant for you to reasonably consider the nature of the brain's maturation.
@@migizi.kwe7I that's why the show isn't for kids
@@kielenichols2303 this show is literally ABOUT kids.
@@xxxmaysilssss690 is big mouth for kids because it has kids
Not only that but many actors and actresses that play in the show, downplay their looks to fit in the role such as Rue.
Late to this but i love how you were not just talking trash about the show and had some actual solid points, especially the character development part. A lot of people don't realise that something like 'negative' character development also exists. Character development doesn't mean it will always be a personal growing up, becoming mature. It also refers to the way our character "changes" over time due to the situation, whether it's in a postive way or negative. Yes, Cassie and Jules didn't become our favs in S2 but they definitely went through hella lot of changes. The only person i think had negligible character development was Kat but again, let's see what they do with her in S3
Yeah people love the hyperbolic "worst season ever" or "best season ever." S2 still had issues but I liked it. Sam Levinson still a bit of psycho (hence Kat's character basically evaporating) but there are plenty more people working on the show, including the actors, so I think we should still celebrate the positives.
@@SceneItReviews totally agreed
this didn't age well with Barbie Ferreira exiting the show lmaoooo
McKay was pressured but apparently the ones who say otherwise he was bad weren't paying attention to his story and what he had to choose from doing good or bad
right they really know nothing about force toxic Masculinity that was clearly forced on him by one his dad and Nate Jacobs who bitterly influenced him, there was one scene of nate harassing jules while she was on the bike and you can clearly see he was trying to defuse the situation and tell him to stop but by the toxic mans influence nate instensely gets inside his head and proves that the shit is all about reality, pointing to what he said about cassie and how he used her videos as a way of making McKay see how embrassing she was- this is the same thing like if a female friend would have told her friend about a guy who did bad in his past as a warning sign for her...and then she starts getting threaded by them- not way one really looks in his character they'll just see him with cassie and automatically pinpoint.
@@emixxixx3001 he still did that to Cassie, it's no excuse.
I agree what he did was bad, downright awful actually, but people's constant dismissal of his storyline not only echoes their lack of knowledge about black masculinity but also the lack of care the writers (rlly just the creep himself) put into his storyline.
I have never wanted to do drugs less than after finishing season 2 of euphoria. Part of what keeps me coming back is the beauty and aesthetics of the show glossing over all of the harsh, gritty realities we’re seeing. It is quite literally a physical representation of drug abuse. It’s gritty and dark and painful but it looks so incredible from the outside when you don’t know all the dark details.
I could see why some people think this show is a bit much on some aspects. Because not a lot of shows show the reality of life. I really admire the actors and actresses, the quality shots that were made and the beautiful script. I find this the best show I’ve ever seen. None could ever take me so deep into the story. Top notch
McKay: Why do you have to make everything so sexual?
Also McKay: “Nudes? 🙂”
I appreciate this video so much, I've seen so many videos just completely missing the point of the characters and the show but you absolutely nailed everything you said.
It's so nice to see an actual grownup opinion on a show aimed to adults regarding tough lives.
Thank you so much for making this video. You rock dude, keep up the awesome work!
Appreciate the kind words :)
Thank you so much for making
With nate I hated him the most but him doing these bad things to equally bad people that may be how he sees it but it's not these are flawed people he is the most extremely flawed and bad person.
Its a love rectangle cus jules somewhere in dat bih too
Lmaoo rii
Cassie might have BPD: fear of abandonment, a rough childhood, impulsivity.
Cassie is such a good actor
yes sydney sweeney is amazing
Not like i was thinking of it before but this show literally made me anxious about drugs lmao. Stay in school dont do drugs kids
Me 2
You are unnnnnnnder rated fr bro your gonna blow soon I can see it
honestly, i cant debate the second seasons story because of how improvised it apparently was. apparently jules shouldve gotten with nate instead of cassie, that would change EVERYTHING. i love the series but i cant fully throw myself into the storyline and theories and debate about it if i know this was all not how it was actually intended.
actually it was going to be jules but hunter and jacob didn't wanna share scenes together so much
It makes sense that he and Jules didn't get together Yet because a insecure jock like him with internalized homophobia and toxic masculinity wouldn't immediately go for someone like Jules... that ship can't sail too quickly
I loooved your comment about the character development. Because in real life, we don't make mistakes, immediately learn from them and continue to a new path. We make the same mistakes multiple times, fall into certain patterns, getting out of them a bit better or worse each time until we learn a bit about ourselves in the process. THAT is character development.
It's been a while since I watched it so I'm fuzzy but one of my favorite things about Cassie in season 1 was that she's one of the only character to present a moral argument. So much of what people do is based on "who will find out x" or "who will think y" but there's a moment with Cassie and McKay in a bedroom and she declaratively says she doesn't want to do something because it's wrong. Which does not compute for him (or anyone else in the show, had the scene been with them) at all and that made her super interesting to me. I felt like Season 2 lost a lot of that thread but your insight helped me see how established certain events and decisions still were!
In a way yes it does glorify all the toxic behavior and bad habits. you cant tell me that young people impressionable young people wont watch this and after seeing it take it upon themselves to go out and try to find or experience the same feeling that is represented within the show. Yes to the ones who can differentiate, its bad but for the ones who cant it looks cool to be so hip and with the vibes so one thing will eventually lead to the other
That's what I said. I don't think the show is made for 'young impressionable people' - the global age restrictions seem to be an average of about 17 years old.
Bigger issue being that with streaming, policing age restricted content is pretty much impossible.
@@SceneItReviews exactly
@@SceneItReviews but a lot of younger children watch that and even then with that age range it's still somewhat impressionable
@@SceneItReviews LMAO then why is it set in a high school filled with characters who are supposed to be 14-18?? Imagine making a show about kids and their experiences in school and they can’t even watch it.
@@justausername5749 The kids are 17/18, with the exception of Gia, who doesn't glorify any bad shit, and Ashtray, who's a 14 year old drug dealer. Age restrictions are 17+ - meaning kids the ages of the characters CAN watch it. Don't get your point.
Its actually not really a Love triangle because Maddy is pretty much done with Nate after she finds out about Nate but still great Video😃👍
Thank you yes not glorifying anything, just awesome shots of how our characters feel, this show is so empathetic and raw, it forces you to feel, hard!
I can't understand why anyone would think this show glorifies/romanticises the struggles they explore on this show.
I can identify with the majority of struggles on the show, by the 3rd episode I was watching through gritted teeth with an uneasy stomach and by the 4th I was done with it.
If anything the hyperstylisation just adds a certain melancholic something to the show that makes it even harder to watch. Feels like you're thrown back to your teenage years when everything is super dramatic, intense and even slightly rose-tinted.
I'm not discounting the opinion, I'm just shocked it even exists considering how unsettled the show made me feel!
Great video my guy I agree 100%
Your voice is so calming.
haha my girlfriend disagrees
Tbh this show is so unrealistic in terms of high school but i can understand the exaggeration of the qualities in the characters help bring out the subject matter so it’s less subtle and easily understandable. I just graduated high school in Australia and when I watched this, the concept of the show is so overblown. I know it’s not the point of the show as it is to show the toxic relationships that can happen but I wish their were more normal human teenagers in the show. Can we just see cassy or maddy or rue or anyone in the show do something mundane for once.
Oh also why are there no Asians in euphoria high lol
@@derekli1741 asian parents took one look at the ( edit crazy ) white kids and stuck them in a private school . Like we need a cameo of a bunch of Asian kids in blazers in a school bus freaking out about some euphoria high stuff in season 3 . 30 seconds is all I need
I agree with you, this show is heavily dramatised in order to hammer its message home, but it ends up feeling farcical rather than impactful (at least to an adult viewer like myself). I'm more impressed by a teen dramas like Merlí or Skam, which utilise "normal" characters, but also dig into their seemingly mundane lives to show how social issues like abandonment, depression, drug abuse, dating violence, etc affect them as well.
For New Yorkers high school might be like this at times
@@bgcrp2005 I live in nyc my high school experience was EXACTLY like this😂😂
One of the big things of the show is context, never take a scene out of context cause then you'll be throne off
Nate is the embodiment of Toxic Masculinity
This is a super good review. Everyone thinks it’s just shit but nah I genuinely liked it yeah some episodes were bad but this isn’t unrealistic.
I’ll say I was in a very emotional abusive relationship while watching euphoria and I was dumb enough to think “he doesn’t treat me like that so it’s not that bad”
You’re not dumb, violent men brainwash you to think it’s your fault and you deserve it
UPDATE: HAHAHAHAH WE GOT LEXI'S PLAY. Amazing. Definitely filled in some gaps.
Still, let me know what YOU think about Euphoria's portrayal of love/sex/teens below. I know it's a bit of a hot topic.....
I can't deny that it's problematic and in theory yes I would prefer to see these plot lines played out maybe in COLLEGE instead of high school but the truth is that most audiences aren't able to resist this kind of entertainment. It's too scintillating. I don't feel bad for watching and I wouldn't shame anyone else. I think it's more of a reflection on the producers of the content than the audience, but the demand for this kind of content is undeniable.
@@kimaya4503 Agreed it's a strange paradox. I know I'm enjoying the content more because of the great production quality and how great everything looks, but it's also very clearly a tragedy.
The locker room scene in the play by itself could be dissected at length, width, in depth and with vigor!
I’m a director of a sexual health program in NYC, and let me tell you, some of these themes are SPOT ON!! See it everyday when I talk with the youth that I work with….
LEXIS PLAY Amazing Definitely
I believe that Euphoria are the stories about what the characters who are going through in their lives.
we need a new video about them!!
It’s very fascinating to me to hear people complain about character development e glorifications in Euphoria. I’ve been around the block that I ended up becoming a psychologist specializing in addiction and PTSD.. and there’s so Much we’ll developed characters and interactions, not even as case studies but that I say Oh, that’s how me and my friends looked at “reality” when we were teenagers. I think some criticism comes from people that don’t want to see or don’t understand what they are seeing.. but for many many I think this is a very cathartic and relatable show
Thank you
I just want to remind everyone that there are very few people in this show that I could even call decent. I'd like to direct anybody that likes Maddy or defends Maddy to the fact that she was complicit in the battery of a high school student because she lied to Nate and framed the same dude for assault, effectively ruining his life because she wanted to protect a man that repeatedly abused her and physically assaulted her.
I don’t think people realise that young adults (13-21) are more likely to be in a toxic and abusive relationship. Depression & lots of different mental health disorders are about in young people. I wish we was this open when I was a teenager about drugs, sex, sexual assault & mental health. A program like this needed to be made x
On top of McKay not being a good boyfriend is no one gonna talk about him being in college while she's a junior?
Apparent Cassie is 18 first season, while McKay is 19. So yeah, still cooked, but don't think it's illegal (maybe in some states???)
@@SceneItReviews Oh I thought Cassie was like 16/17
Cassie is a senior love
what's the background music at 0:00 thank you
Y’all can’t convince me that euphoria doesn’t have the most well portrayed characters
add jules in the mix and its a whole fucking square
I have to disagree a little. While I do think people overstate the influence the show has on gen z, the argument is still valid. Outside of withdrawal symptoms and causing car accidents, Rue didn't have many real-world consequences. I mean, she owes a violent drug dealer thousands of dollars. Yet she walked away into the sunset. And while I do think some of the sex scenes are overdone and unnecessary, I do understand the artistic expression. But the sex scenes between minors and adults are terrible. Don't forget child pornography, either. You don't have to show it explicitly to get your point across. This reminds me of Cuties. The social commentary is valid, but the way it's executed is pointless.
Cassie and Rue put their heart on their role
Honestly “The Glorified vs Glazed” reality is worth contemplating.
One of the reasons why grown ups rarely help teens is like why non-addicts can’t help addicts. People don’t know or forget the “Glaze” with which intense emotions cover everything. A person obsessed on their personal view of things (love drugs revenge etc) has a glaze over reality that criticism or superficial care just won’t penetrate. It takes real sincerity and empathy to walk the path along people who are really struggling or obsessed/addicted to anything. In that sense I consider Euphoria deeply realistic and relatable in many ways
It's crazy that Maddies actor is the oldest on set, being like 33 or close to that.
the way he spoiled spiderman for me 😭
Thankyouuu...I saw yoir comment at the right time and skipped the spiderman part🤝🏻💯
My honest thought for this show is that it's very much like the novel Lolita, as in the message the story is trying to give is simple, and yet somehow no one gets it.......Just like no one got the actual message of the novel, and instead ended up romanticizing it.
Videos of "Maddie being a bad bitch for 10 mins straight" or "Maddie×Cassie ✨️Traitor by Olivia Rodrigo✨️" circulates the internet, while in truth, neither of the characters are admirable......The show wanted to potray the worst of all outcomes of childhood trauma, wanted to represent those who did not get out of the abuse as a "mature young teen who has learned from her experience", and instead got out broken because of other people's mistakes.....this show was a story of those who did not get the best end of the sticks when it comes to trauma, and people ended up hyping it all up, calling Maddie a bad bitch, and Cassie a slut.
Anyone know what the background music for this video from 10:35 onward is? It's really good!
Lmao that Spider-Man comment was hilarious
Maddy's best friend didn't sleep with her ex, bc her best friend was Kat
imgine how much it hurt Kat every time Maddy said her best friend betrayed her
Kat wasn’t Maddie’s best friend. Cassie was Maddy’s “Soul Mate”. That’s why the whole situation hurts Maddy so much. The same person who opened her home to her when he parents were fighting, was the same one who turned around and slept with her ex Nate.
@@arodriguez2496 I think they were just friend because they were both hot and being together would get them both more attention, that's why she abandoned Kat when she got fat. you should rewatch that "soulmate" line from the carnival. I kinda suspect that Cassie sensed Maddy was looking for a fight so she encouraged her to "tell them to their face" so that she and Nate would break up so that Cassie could date him, I mean does it really sound like Cassie to tell some one to be more aggresive? or anyone who knew Maddy thought Maddy needed some one to tell her she needed to be more aggressive?
btw Maddy and Nate are siblings, that's why Nates mom didn't want them to date, the mom donated her egg (like Maddy tried to do) , also. it is hard not to see the similarities between Maddy and Nate's mom in that seen where she "acts like a teenager" and she seems to know what a girl like that would think and do pretty well so Cassie was right , they were terrible together and she was right to separate them
Alrighty, don’t know where you got all that from. I think you should rewatch the whole show. 🫡
@@arodriguez2496 k
Lol what ??
Lmfao the dude from the white lotus when you said blackmail
it's not a love triangle - misused term. love triangle would be if maddy loved nate, nate loved cassie and cassie loved maddy or something like that. this is two people loving the same person.
I've addressed this elsewhere. Check out the definition of 'love triangle' from the three most popular english dictionaries.
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/love-triangle
www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/love-triangle
www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/love-triangle
And Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_triangle
It just means three people in a romantic entanglement, doesn't mean all three have to like a different person. That's been the definition for centuries of fictional media.
It still counts as a love triangle mate
This is what I call the fake love triangle. The real love triangle of the whole show is Rue, Jules, and Nate.
Maddy, Cassie, Lexi, Rue, Kat, or Jules are going to be friends as adults. They all are going to faze out of each other lives.
4:30 I do not agree with your take here, the show does sexualise minors, having adult actors that obviously have mature bodies play teens and be naked to satisfy the male gaze. Why must they always be high schoolers when the theme is more college-fitting? Also, the argument that it is fiction falls flat when in psychology class we talked about how the portrayal of suicide has negative effects even when it is portrayed in a negative way, I do not say we cant have stuff like that in our story but we have examples of 13 reasons why how if they are not handled properly, and euphoria is terrible at that, again, why must a 20-year-old actress pretend to be 16 and be naked all the fucking time? because "sex sells" is the reason
12:36 I've been saying!!!!! not all character develop for the better!!! some are for the worst and that's okay!!!!
Does anyone know where I can watch Euphoria I'm in the UK so I don't know where to find it
I understand how you could say that euphoria does show the reality of this lifestyles rather than glamorizing them. And still in my own personal case, I watched it at 17 when I was going through some fucked up situations that I felt I just wanted to escape from. And In this sense I watched all this beautiful stylish people that j wanted to be like back then, an even though they were obviously going through some fucked up horrible bullshit, it did seem like they were effectively escaping even just for a while. And that’s what I wanted. And it’s not like I didn’t realize this had fucked up consequences. But at that point I didn’t mind. I was willing to die or ruin my life in order just to have a beautiful euphoric moment like those shown in this show. I adopted some of the worst escaping toxic coping mechanisms from each character. The compensating on men from kat. Hypersexualization of Cassie. One night stands with strangers from Jules. the drugs and idealization from Rue, etc. Obviously my case was borderline extreme and I don’t think, and would seriously hope, it wasn’t like that for most. But in my case I can also see why people can also use the argument that it would make you want to do stuff like this because I lived it. I did also however get positive things from it. Like learning from the experience. Like shaping my own style and personality. Like learning about makeup and fashion and cinema and symbolism and being inspired art wise. And still it was like the most fucked up stage of my life. But to be fair I was already fucked up and this show just gave me ideas to further fuck up just trying to feel something.
ppl wanting nate to end up with either cassie or maddie but the show seems hell bent on making jules and nate end up together. keep rewatching the episodes of season2 and ya'll will get what i mean.
What song was on the background on 7:00????😍
10:47 that was a random man kidnapping her, in tge next few seconds nate appears in the man's car and shoots him to save maddy ig
McKay isn’t an asshole for what he did. He didn’t demand Cassie get an abortion. He told her that she should, and comforted her when she did
Exactly the fact that people overly demonize McKay's character is so weird
Maddys loyal jules really love nate and cassie loved to be love
Nate found those tapes when he was 11 so apparently the darkening happened before then.
Cassie is overly hated.
It's so sad that Kat's life wasn't explored more in season two simply bc the creator of the show had beef with the girl who played Kat
I think what people complain about is not how the sex scenes are shot beautifully but that there's too much (?) of it. Like can we remember that these characters are underage even though the actors are not. I mean, a few is fine but there's like a lot of them and some of them are a little too much that it definitely feels like sexualising underage characters.
What's the outro track?
Euphoria's name is actually a reference to the original source material if the same name. Its actually from a jewish show from 2013 with a similar premise of a girl suffering from drug addiction
Yeah it was adapted from an Israeli miniseries, also called Euphoria, with the same subject matter. So the point still stands.
Rue was doing drugs before her dad’s death
To teenage children most of it looks fun especially if you live in a broke household which is atleast a 3rd of children because you are generally born a romantic and gain grasps on realism by experience.
I mean she choose keep crawling back
@5:10 and beyond..it most absolutely influenced the younger generation, I know for a fact a family member of mine… she started watching the show. She was around 14 when it came out…. she started cutting herself doing drugs, and became sexually active..immediately after watching the first season! 🤷🏻♀️
I could never says euphoria is a bad show i just hate every single character
map plan to stay away from fang and lisa drama
and other narcs involved in
In defense of mckay, because I’m tired of him and his slander so let me just go on a rant. I disagree with what you said about how he doesn’t want her to be sexual but wants her to do what he wants when he wants something of the sort. We gotta look at the context. Mckay was talking about his frustrations on basic football, but Cassie wanted sex. That’s why he question that. He was being vulnerable, something he was taught not to do. His father pressured him and gave him this demeanor. I think the relationship is toxic because of the influence of mckays thoughts, and Cassie’s lack of communication and passiveness. However, mckay is not a horrible boyfriend and was the only person to see cassie as a human being and not as an object for sex. Alsoooo, mckay did not demand cassie to get an abortion, he told her his opinion on it because this is bad for him and her. Then reassured and comforted her by telling her she was going to make a great mom in the future.
Hard disagree. You can't say McKay doesn't see Cassie as an 'object for sex' - he literally chokes her in the first episode of the show because he thinks she 'wants to be treated like a pornstar', publicly denies them being in a relationship in front of his friends, asks for nudes. Fuck, even when he gets hazed/assaulted at college and she asks if he's ok...instead of talking he goes straight for sex, making her cry both during and after sex. That's not a healthy relationship where he 'sees her as a human being' - that's objectively messed up.
Agree that his personality is a result of his upbringing/father's influence, and also agree that Cassie is a flawed individual as I stated in the video, but you can't just absolve McKay because he was 'pressured into it' - the whole 'my friend told me to do it' argument shouldn't apply to moral choices.
@@SceneItReviews there is a difference between being pressured then being influenced- "toxic masculinity" there the answer
Euphoria is like "shitty decisions: the show"
Has anyone ever noticed that Cassie Howard sounds similar to Katherine Howard. There stories are also very similar in that they both under the toes of men and feel they have no freedom and the next man is there to give them that. I feel like the writers must have known that. Even their family lives were similar. I think that is very interesting
Yeah she reminds me of the actress that played Katherine Howard on The Tudors.
5:46 This point needs to be broadcasted to everyone that owns a TV. Portrayal doesn't automatically mean glorification. Context is important. Why can't people understand that?
Also, Sydney Sweeney get's a lot of flack for her lack of clothes in a lot of her roles, but she is a strong actor.
What happened to Maddie’s parents?
While I understand everything can’t be censored because some people might be easily swayed to do drugs or have sex at a young age, and cinematic quality shouldn't be reduced for the same reason, what's the difference between showing the ‘cinematic’ glittery way Rue sees the world when she's high and intentionally glorifying being high?
I mean, take the scene where Jules and Rue get high on a drug they don’t even know the name of in 1x02 and cry tears of glitter in soft hues of pink and purple. One could argue that the creators are just attempting to show their frame of mind on drugs and convey how they feel about one another, but if the creators *wanted* to glorify that high state of mind, wouldn’t such a portrayal also go a long way to perpetuate a *romantic view* of drug use? In that instance, Rue’s drug use isn’t negative, it’s simply a “fun time” with a new friend/love interest with no negative physical or psychological side effects.
I’m not saying that art should shy away from portraying drug use realistically or having difficult conversations, but I think artists, especially on TV, need to be *responsible* in their choice of detail too…If you “airbrush” teenage misery-give it a colored filter, put the objectively attractive sufferers in makeup and nice clothes while pop music plays in the background-aren’t you romanticizing it just a little bit?
I'm thinking about tyler😂😂😂
Cal Jacobs/Jules encounter was disturbing to say the least to me 😵😵😵
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