BoJack Horseman is one of my favourite shows so I am so happy that I finally made this video If you liked it please remember to- SUBSCRIBE- tinyurl.com/yb5uh4o4
Please react to the Midnight Gospel, especially the last 2 episodes, its animation mixed with real conversations from Duncan Trusell's podcasts, I think they are one of the thoughest pieces of media I have watched, It really helped me cope with some stuff in a way I never thought it would. And that last episode...
I think in a sense, having anamorphic characters in an animated show made it easier. The things that get portrayed here are very personal and often painful. To use people would have made it too (idk, real?) and by using this style, we were at a safe enough distance. Especially when you think about the protagonist being extremely wealthy and a movie star. That’s also something people don’t really relate to. If you liked this show I highly recommend Tuca and Bertie.
Yeah, for sure, but I get the appeal though. The fact that it’s really silly and a cartoon let’s people lower their guard and let them feel comfortable when being faced with all those serious topics like substance abuse, mental issues and such. With “real” tv shows it can often feel like you’re being lectured when those topics are brought up. And it can feel too depressing to watch because it’s real people, either it’s too depressing or too silly. But since we all expect a cartoon to be silly it’s just a really pleasant surprise when it actually also brings up some serious things that many of us can relate to.
l like how BoJack's mother calls him a narcist for writing a book about himself, and then admits in the same breath that she only read the parts about herself... Takes one to know one l guess, but subtle enough
One of the best lines from early BoJack - PB: You're a millionaire movie star with a girlfriend who loves you, acting in your dream movie. What more do you want? What else could the universe possibly owe you? BoJack: I *want* to feel good about myself. The way you do. And I don't know how. I don't know if I can. I'm sorry, Mr. Peanutbutter. I can't tell you how sorry I am.
Yes.... that line hit me hard. But when Beatrice said, "You were born broken. That is your birthright." hit me the hardest. First time I watching the show. I cried over and over from hearing that because I was born 3 months early, I had to be in NICU for a month. I had hernia, I have to get surgery as soon I was born. I have asthma, hearing loss (I was put in deaf school because my parent thought I couldnt "keep up" with hearing people so I learned Sign Language to communicate with my deaf friends. Now my hearing level has been improved but still having trouble understanding people). I also have a bad eyesight as well. Most of the times, I felt like I wasn't right and thought my flaws are going to be a burden for me and family.
It also has a slow start. I remember almost dropping it, but my friend said I need to give it a couple episodes. I'm happy I did, what a journey it was.
Same. It took a random recommendation from a youtuber (Drew Gooden) for me to watch it. Realised Will Arnett, Aaron Paul and Alison Brie are in it and that made me think this was gonna be a good show. Loved Arrested Development, Breaking Bad and Community (and Glow).
One thing I never really thought hard about until now, when Bojack says "yes" to Hollyhock's question, is that it may not be the best thing to say, and it's certainly not entirely true, but at least he IS trying his best to do the exact opposite of what his mother did to him. He IS, whether he realizes it or not, trying not to add to her burden, trying not to condemn her to the role he feels condemned to. Also, your words about Diane's part... maybe I kind of needed to hear that. Thank you for this video.
He also says that he's the one responsible for the things he does and it's NEVER her fault. And that's exactly the opposite of what his parents told him since he was a kid. They always blamed everything on Bojack and his response to Hollyhock is probably what he would've liked his mom and dad to say to him.
When Bojack lies to Hollyhock about the voices going away, I think he is trying to comfort her because he actually thinks that he's family's blood is poisoned and they can't be happy but he doesn't wants her to belive that too.
@@hellenrodriguesmoraes Yes! I think he also lied to just give her a bit of peace of mind, something that he never has, just so she can be a bit optimistic that one day the voices will go away and she doesn't have to have anxiety worrying about it as much. He knows how tainted he feels with the Horseman blood, but he wants to save Hollyhock from feeling that way.
Thoughtful but illconcieved. Shows his potential. Imagine the power if he admitted that he felt weak and worthless. Like that would have helped them both. But that would be beyond Bojacks comfort level. Or even took the vanilla path and told her that it wasn't true. There are many ways to be supportive good parent, but his instinct was to avoid the painful truth
i just finished this show. i could relate to most of the lines. i cried a lot during relatable scenes. i've been going thru therapy for almost 9 months now. because i felt like sh*t all the time. and it began when i had my heart broken really bad for the first time in my life 2.5 years ago (im 23). it cracked the surface and now i just dive deeper and deeper to understand why i have certain feelings and I recently began seeing my feelings. i am learning the grammar and vocabulary to express my feelings and this show is helping. it is tough, but when i look back, i can see how much i have improved, and it makes me proud.
Spoiler Alert: The thing that makes Diane happier is antidepressants. Also, her wanting Bojack to be a better person is kind of a big plot point for seasons 5 and 6.
Honestly I love the quote Diane gives in they last episode. "There are people in your life that help you become the person you end up being, and you can be grateful for them, even if they were never meant to be in your life forever." And that honestly really resonates with me. I think letting Bojack go was the best choice Diane could of made at the end of the show, it shows her amazing character growth, and it just.. Ends perfectly man.
@@voidtapwater4676 I definitely agree. Diane is so self righteous and wants to bring out the good in everybody. She also judges people in a very black and white way. Seeing Bojack's good and bad sides, helps her have empathy for people who do bad things. However, in the end, she realizes it's not her job to judge or fix anyone.
16:15 that friend was Diane. They went to Boston for her dad's funeral in early-mid Season 1. We saw exactly what sort of home life she escaped, right into the unconditional acceptance Mr. Peanutbutter offered.
Actually they leave it as a mystery because he also had an experience like that with PC when her father died, they talked about that too in one episode
I think the latter half of S1 goes into it more (esp Downer Ending), but I definitely get what you mean. The first half of S1 is more of a typical adult cartoon. I'm so glad I stuck around throughout the whole show though.
I used to have the voice in my head a lot more than I do now. (I don’t actually know what changed) But it was really annoying because my mind would go “They’re talking about you. They know how horrible you are... why are you so self-centered? Why would they be talking about you? It’s because they know you suck.” And yadayada. It would just go in circles all the time and contradict itself. Thankfully, I think I eventually had too many other things to think about that it got forced into the background and stayed there.
Well I hope it will still help to know that people aren’t talking about you, or any of your flaws. How much of your time do you spend thinking about other people’s small flaws? Think of any one friend you have, what kind of flaws do they have? If you can even think of any, do you hate them for it? Do you think they make them a bad person? I can assure you, they’re too busy thinking about their own imperfections, to think about yours.
What gets me the most in the Brand New Couch clip is how quickly Bojack is able to come up with a guess for her crossword. This is the most horrifying Beatrice scene so far in the series _for the audience_ but Bojack's psyche stews in that level of cruelty at all times. So he can immediately transition to working on an intellectual problem (in hopes of getting her approval that way). But despite being used to it, it doesn't fail to tear him down.
Watching Bojack gave me a sort of cathartic cry that I needed. I relate to Bojack, minus me being a narcissist. My family dynamic was a lot like Bojack's except my mother was like Butterscotch and my father was Beatrice. It was so validating to see my situation played out on television. It also made me realize that life is too short to not get the help you need. I am currently looking for a psychiatrist. This show saved me from myself and helped me realize that I may be asexual as well and that may be a cause of my depression.
A little thing it took me a while to notice, at 12:13, Bojack says you don’t have to feel bad about feeling bad, which is what Hollyhock’s dads taught to her, and she taught to him 🥺 she really was such a good influence for him
I find it amazing that the most sad characters are the most successful. Bojack, Dian, Even Mr. Peanutbutter is at fault sometimes. Yet the most happiest character is... Todd From the very first episode he is supporting and compassionate to everyone around him, even if he gets none of the credit, or they think he is just some random goofball nobody. There are multiple times in the show where he becomes amazingly rich or famous. He becomes a dictator, becomes governor of California (for about a minute), and has multiple ideas that become their own successful business or make him rich. Yet he eventually ends up the same old couch surfing Todd, moving on to the next awesome idea. He never stays on one thing for too long, because he doesn't look at the success, he looks at what makes him truly happy.
I REALLY like Bojack Horseman because I feel exactly like Bojack, because my mom has completely destroy me and I feel like I'm always struggling to try to stop the voice of my mother in my head... My mother was married with a dangerous alcoholic and when she trew him out (I never saw him after that) she was completely depressed and sad, and she was releasing all of her anger on me during my childhood, telling me that EVERYTHING was my fault, and that if she would prefer to never have children and got married... She never showed me any sort of love. She kept repeating me all the time that people who are married are dumb idiot because love is just an illusion, and that all that matter is to have a great job and be rich, because money is the key to everything... Of course I became obsessed with money due to that and I spend years studying the stock market, I studied economy and accounting at the university and my dream was to become as rich as possible and to become rich... But today I realised it's just all bullshit, money will never make me happy, and my only dream would be to find my soulmate... To truly love and being loved by someone, to get married and waking up each morning with someone to who I could tell that she's everything for me... But I got this horrible feeling, this feeling of having a curse, like if my mother was right... Love is false and all women are bad and will break my heart But I see a therapist and I know I don't have to believe the lies of my mother, and someday I will be truly happy with someone... Please people, try to be kind to each other and take love seriously, love is the only thing that can save us !
Be your own person you mom wasent in the best place you didint deserve all that hate but you can stop all that pain yourself it won't be easy but you can do it ik you and if you mess up you can do it again it may take a long time but that's okay stay safe💗💗💗
I found out that Bojack calls Holly his daughter because after a DNA test, she believes that he is her father. (She was adopted by 8 gay dads and she is trying to find out who her birth parents are, who are actually Bojack's dad, Butterscotch, and the family maid, Henrietta) Bojack is actually her half-brother. In age, the two siblings are about 30 years apart.
No matter how many times I hear that it’s ok to cry, I still think I cry way too much. I say this only because I’ve pretty much cried every single day of my life. I’ve been so depressed and sensitive since I was 4 with no consistent help, professional or otherwise. I’ve always been like this and I just feel so broken, like I was just born damaged and there’s just nothing I can do about it. My life honestly sucks. And I’m suffering every single day. And I have fibromyalgia so I’m also in physical pain every single day. It’s not that I don’t have reasons to cry, but I cry so much so often and I’m tired and I just want it to stop. Crying almost feels like a punishment. Life feels like a punishment. Idk what to do because I can’t really do anything. I’ve tried getting help every way I can, I don’t have access to resources. I can’t help but feel I wasn’t ever meant to succeed and that I was always going to die young. I’m barely hanging on.
Thats hard man/gal/pal I cant do much all I can offer is a helping hand or someone to talk to. It might be easier to talk to a close person over a complete stranger but you decide. I can definitely see what you are going through and I definitely have those thoughts and the best way to deal with those thoughts is to talk to someone. So you do what you want and hopefully I've been able to help you a bit more through your struggles
@@iwannapunkhard thank you for the sympathy and support! I can honestly say I'm doing a lot better now! I've finally been able to start seeing a doctor and therapist and I'm still working through a lot of issues but my new medication, doctor, and therapist have all helped tremendously! I can honestly say that my life is looking up right now and this is the first time I've ever felt like my life is ok. I still cry quite a bit sometimes because of my anxiety but not every day like I used to.
@@First_last988 thank you, I finally have the help I need now and I'm doing so much better. I didn't know I could be so ok and happy even if I'm not "fixed".
"he didn't get the relationship with his mother that he wanted" is a misnomer. He wanted the relationship he was OWED by her, by virtue of her forcing him to exist. He never asked to be born, but she *chose* to not only have him, but to keep him in her custody and subject him to her parenting. You can either be too wrapped up in your own issues to treat your kid decently, or you can be a good person. But ya gotta pick.
It was the same thing that happened with my dad, and I think it might be the same with my mom 🥺 when my alcoholic dad died I grieved the potential of having a relationship with him.
Father issues, I dealt with it and I'm set that he would never change. Thing is, my father is a mean person. Everytime I confronted him, he doesn't let me talk. If he doesn't want to change, it's not my time worth. I've a lot going on, if he can't be there for me. I won't be there for him. I said to my sis, if he dies. I will throw a party like Mr peanutbutter. Not like him, but a hella dope party. Learned me what not to do when I've kids.
I've grown surrounded by people like this. The amount of psychological damage is enough in itself but also take into account that I was also physically abused. The physical abuse part scars you in a way not many people know or understand. In fact physical abuse its a true neutral word, what Im talking about is being subjected to torture. That's basically the environment I grew up in. I've just tried so hard all my life to not become so antisocial or depressed. My usual memories are mostly violence terror and sadness.
Does he have problems. I was amazed by his positivity. Thing what I noticed. He always lives in the moment. Like a dog, what he is. That's why it's funny. He doesn't listen, so he needs someone who is more like him. Also, a dog loves unconditionally. That's why he cheated on Pickles with Diane. It's more his love live, he doesn't really have mental issues like bojack.
@@jasonMT3011 Mr Peanutbutter is pretty much a dog. Unconditional love and positivity. I guess one of his problem is he needs someone to love, hence being married almost 4 times. And the show concluded with Mr Peanutbutter being content with living by himself. His other problem (that's more of a problem to Bojack and Diane) is his toxic positivity. Good in small doses, but for Diane who's a pessimistic, low self-esteemed person, Mr Peanutbutter is too much. Guy is the more suitable guy for her.
@@jasonMT3011 I’d recommend reading up on toxic positivity. Mr Peanutbutters a great example of how a forced positive outlook on life can be extremely toxic to those around them.
You're voice is so comforting. Like an old friend telling you everything's gonna be okay when you're in the darkest place of your mind. I wish I had you as my therapist instead of the one I got when I tried to go. I'll be honest, I'm supposed to be taking Lexapro. And instead of taking my medicine I fall back on smoking pot and drawing as a way to cope. I know drawing is a healthy coping mechanism, and the weed isn't. But it helps. It helps shut up that voice in my head telling me how terrible I am. It helps my anxiety when have random freak outs for no reason other than something that triggered said freak out. I lash out for no other reason than to push people away because I'm scared of hurting them or them hurting me. Im so scared of being put on a medication that makes me lose interest in the things I enjoy most. When I took Lexapro it got so bad that my boyfriend had to smack the bottle out of my hands because for some reason I spiraled worse. Now around that time, I was dealing with the murder of my step brother koty. So I was already spiraling because he was shot and killed. And my entire life I hated him for how he treated me and I never got to say sorry. Anyway, I went on a random tangent. I know weed isn't a healthy coping mechanism, but it helps. I forget how I'm feeling. I forget all the bad things that's going on and for a few hours or however long I smoke, I'm happy. I'm in a good mood. I feel good about myself when I smoke.
I'm just crying hearing you validate all of the abuse BoJack went through. I grew up in a home with narcissistic parents, and it feels like I'm being validated just listening. I know BoJack is a bad person, but I also know he grew up with self centered parents. You leave me with this feeling that nobody is hopeless, and that means a lot to me. Thank you.
One thing I haven't seen a ton of people talk about is how BoJack shows a lotttt of signs of BPD throughout the show. Maybe it's just because I have BPD, but, I dunno. I don't want to assume things about an anthropomorphic character lol, and I definitely don't want to sound like an armchair psych, but I think it would be super interesting if a therapist/psych broke down BoJack's symptoms as more than just depression.
I relate so much to what you said about BoJack wishing he had a good relationship with his mother. I’m the youngest between a family of 8 members and my dad (for most of his life) was out of the picture until recently when I turned 18. Both of them are 60+. My mom did the best she could, but I was still so empty and never felt like I had any kind of intimacy and affection from either of my parents. I get so conflicted about the small stupidest part of me who still wishes I had good parents, even when I am too old to ask for such a thing. Even when I feel I should just move on, what kind of adult am I to still wish I had good parents? Then I look into BoJack and Diane, and what you said, and it doesn’t feel so invalid. Thank you for this thorough analysis, made me reflect on how I should view my relationship with them.
Bojack had a lot of trouble because he was supposed to be the heir to a Sugar empire which he threw away for his own sense of self worth to feel something other than being an heir to a dying empire. His mother wasn't caring because her own mother became so entombed in grief over her son's passing during WW2 that she was unwillingly given the Lobotomy. The grandmother was so uncaring that it passed to the mother and onto bojack because it was a cycle. Bojack broke it by giving his friend a place to live for a while and Diane to be a close friend. Bojack drinks to avoid things in his life and to try something to feel. His entire works were to escape his horrible home life. it was just bad for a while but he fixed most of it in the end.
I tell you truly, perspective when mastered and realized/shifted can be a tool of wonders!! And when a person discovers not their perfection but instead their full potential that’s when they improve. To be better doesn’t mean to be perfect, it just means to be more of yourself than before.
I only just realised that Bojack has earbuds in his ears, but his mother holds the phone by the side of her head. I want to see his response to The View From Half Way Down.
This is wow. This show effected my boarderline and ptsd . But now that I’m seeing it a little more balanced it is so ground breaking for personality disorder
I once had a friend describe his addiction to opioids as always waiting to be activated even when he had been clean for years. His addiction was bidding time patiently to give that gentle nudge which would tip the scale in a moment of weakness. When he told me this I immediately understood the consternation in his voice as he described his condition. It was akin to my depression. I have maintenances my depression with the understanding that I was destined to battle my abyss in any whenever opportunity arose for it to whisper insidious lies and be heard. Despite the fact I am a wee bit knackered, your video has given me hope; hope I will one day I will get setback and not contend compulsive self degradation. You have given me hope the cognitive triggers I set to alert me depressive dysfunction may one day be vestigial rather than practical. Thank you.
11:00 I was in Diane's shoes. I thought it was all over for me. I thought everything was hopeless. When you surround yourself with people who care about you and vice versa, you'll find that your spirits are lifted over time. It will get better.
You should react to all three seasons of Infinity train. It's a show about Therapy through adventure, and all the pros and cons of such an idea. Each season is really short. 10 episodes 12 minutes per episode
"People don't tell you to stop laughing" Right... except when you are in school and you have to laugh without break, because someone else is laughing because you are laughing. And the teacher is really annoyed and in the end you can go 20 minutes early. It's a purely hypothetical scenario, of course.
I wasn't even aware that this show was this relateable, damn this hit so close to home, infact I'm drinking as I'm watching this. I too had the same feelings of not being good enough and trying my absolute best so many times but just fucking up in an endless cycle, despite having rich parents, great food, great friends, etc... I am sure it's something many people can relate to. This was a videa I accidently came across and I'm glad I did, I do think I understood the route of my problem better and seeing myself relate to Bojack in so many ways gives me hope in a way
I relate to the first clip, when bojack tries so hard to find her mom’s approval for everything, I feel the same way with my mom, whatever I do it’s not enough for her and that makes me a little insecure on everything I do.
“Drinking makes you numb.” Unless if you’re me, where you shove down every somber emotion inside, and then release it after a few drinks... 😂 I’m not normal... 😅
There's always so much more to notice in this show, and I love that. Like Dianne apologizing for crying feels like it relates back to her own childhood. Her brothers used to tease her when she would cry and nicknamed her Cry-anne, they even do this when she goes home for her dad's funeral. So when she sees Bojack who she knows she can be real and honest with, she still feels like crying is something to be ashamed of. And with Bojack, I feel like the scene with Hollyhock relates back directly to that call with Beatrice. He doesn't want to pass on that generational trauma and abuse. His mother used to reinforce that voice that told him he's stupid, fat, and worthless, and he didn't want that for Hollyhock. He didn't know what to tell her, but wanted her to have hope that the voice that tells her that everyone hates her goes away, and it was a really good growing moment for him to show that he's really trying to be better than he was.
I had hangover anxiety for the first time. I thought that my mere existence and eye contact might worsen other people's moods. I thought "Wait.. This guy (me) that has gotten so much love and compliments ought not be able to ruin someone's day by just being. It was a wierd realisation; feeling like a hazard to emotional stability while intellectually thinking of myself as a liked person. Anyway, I walked to a friend's place, socialized on his deck, and when he went inside I stayed out and there too I felt like I was in the wrong place, maybe in the way if others. I thought and I realized that no matter where I was I would feel in the way. So I just accepted that I may be a bad environment to other's. Kinda passive aggressively I let myself feel grounded in maybe being in the way, so I felt more comfortable, and my friend thought that I had a nice vibe to me, he enjoyed the off put way I was giving to what I said and did. I wasn't saying overly bad things - I just felt comfortable with expressing what I said with a tint of dark mood. I really like that me accepting the feeling of not fitting in, I got accepted anyway (double comfort). Once I accepted that I was cringe, tried to be as cringe as possible, and I got invited to a party 🤨😆 I think that one's own acceptance of feeling inadequate brings forth other people's acceptance of it too. And I'm okay with people having a wierd taste in friends - Especially if I'm that weird friend ☺
9:30 always makes me feel so sad, it takes SO much work all the time to keep that voice quiet. It's exhausting and disappointing that no matter how much you can intellectually say "That's not true!" It still unpredictably rushes back in moments of vulnerability. That's a sucky feeling.
BoJack Horseman is one of my favourite shows so I am so happy that I finally made this video
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Amazing video as always! I was hoping if you could still do the others on the poll? (Mainly “This Is Us”)
Please react to the Midnight Gospel, especially the last 2 episodes, its animation mixed with real conversations from Duncan Trusell's podcasts, I think they are one of the thoughest pieces of media I have watched, It really helped me cope with some stuff in a way I never thought it would. And that last episode...
Thanks for this great video I would love her your thoughts on Todd and the scene with his Dad and the scene with Bojack
Isn't it crazy that an animated cartoon about a talking horse is considered one of the most realistic and relatable TV shows of the last decade?
I think in a sense, having anamorphic characters in an animated show made it easier. The things that get portrayed here are very personal and often painful. To use people would have made it too (idk, real?) and by using this style, we were at a safe enough distance. Especially when you think about the protagonist being extremely wealthy and a movie star. That’s also something people don’t really relate to.
If you liked this show I highly recommend Tuca and Bertie.
Last decade? More like in tv history
Yeah, for sure, but I get the appeal though. The fact that it’s really silly and a cartoon let’s people lower their guard and let them feel comfortable when being faced with all those serious topics like substance abuse, mental issues and such.
With “real” tv shows it can often feel like you’re being lectured when those topics are brought up. And it can feel too depressing to watch because it’s real people, either it’s too depressing or too silly. But since we all expect a cartoon to be silly it’s just a really pleasant surprise when it actually also brings up some serious things that many of us can relate to.
@@angelicat-m8236 Have you seen Undone? RBW and the writer of Time's Arrow wrote/created it and it is a truly beautiful, wonderful show.
@@flawedsanity I have not and now I will! I'm guessing it's also on Netflix so that should be fun.
Edit: Amazon Prime. Tsk.
l like how BoJack's mother calls him a narcist for writing a book about himself, and then admits in the same breath that she only read the parts about herself... Takes one to know one l guess, but subtle enough
One of the best lines from early BoJack -
PB: You're a millionaire movie star with a girlfriend who loves you, acting in your dream movie. What more do you want? What else could the universe possibly owe you?
BoJack: I *want* to feel good about myself. The way you do. And I don't know how. I don't know if I can. I'm sorry, Mr. Peanutbutter. I can't tell you how sorry I am.
yess this really hit me
Yes.... that line hit me hard. But when Beatrice said, "You were born broken. That is your birthright." hit me the hardest. First time I watching the show. I cried over and over from hearing that because I was born 3 months early, I had to be in NICU for a month. I had hernia, I have to get surgery as soon I was born. I have asthma, hearing loss (I was put in deaf school because my parent thought I couldnt "keep up" with hearing people so I learned Sign Language to communicate with my deaf friends. Now my hearing level has been improved but still having trouble understanding people). I also have a bad eyesight as well. Most of the times, I felt like I wasn't right and thought my flaws are going to be a burden for me and family.
His apology at the end always hits so hard.
The delivery is amazing.
@@monkeymunchie9717 I'm so sorry. I hope you're doing well
Which episode was this scene from?
I can’t believe I put off this show for years because the cast were animals
It also has a slow start. I remember almost dropping it, but my friend said I need to give it a couple episodes. I'm happy I did, what a journey it was.
Same. And yeah it starts off as a goofy animated series but goddamn it gets good. Season 4 had me rethinking my whole life.
Furries ruined it for us I guess.
@@رزيئة Nah, if you skip a show just because there’s anthro animals in them, you deserve to miss out on the beauty that was BoJack Horseman
Same. It took a random recommendation from a youtuber (Drew Gooden) for me to watch it. Realised Will Arnett, Aaron Paul and Alison Brie are in it and that made me think this was gonna be a good show. Loved Arrested Development, Breaking Bad and Community (and Glow).
I just now realized Beatrice may have been referring to Butterscotch when she made that book comment
Oh wow! That's a GREAT observation - he was writing an auto biography and that sounds very in character for her
Oh yes!
@@esteemedcharacteractressma58 no way it’s esteemed character actress Margo martindale
This is great! Thank you so much for sharing, love finding new people that also talk about BoJack
Your videos are the best, thank you so much
Thanks for the love Johnny, means a lot.
What is this, a crossover episode?
J2C! What is this a crossover episode?
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One thing I never really thought hard about until now, when Bojack says "yes" to Hollyhock's question, is that it may not be the best thing to say, and it's certainly not entirely true, but at least he IS trying his best to do the exact opposite of what his mother did to him. He IS, whether he realizes it or not, trying not to add to her burden, trying not to condemn her to the role he feels condemned to. Also, your words about Diane's part... maybe I kind of needed to hear that. Thank you for this video.
He also says that he's the one responsible for the things he does and it's NEVER her fault. And that's exactly the opposite of what his parents told him since he was a kid. They always blamed everything on Bojack and his response to Hollyhock is probably what he would've liked his mom and dad to say to him.
When Bojack lies to Hollyhock about the voices going away, I think he is trying to comfort her because he actually thinks that he's family's blood is poisoned and they can't be happy but he doesn't wants her to belive that too.
@@hellenrodriguesmoraes Yes! I think he also lied to just give her a bit of peace of mind, something that he never has, just so she can be a bit optimistic that one day the voices will go away and she doesn't have to have anxiety worrying about it as much. He knows how tainted he feels with the Horseman blood, but he wants to save Hollyhock from feeling that way.
Thoughtful but illconcieved. Shows his potential. Imagine the power if he admitted that he felt weak and worthless. Like that would have helped them both. But that would be beyond Bojacks comfort level. Or even took the vanilla path and told her that it wasn't true. There are many ways to be supportive good parent, but his instinct was to avoid the painful truth
I really feel all of the actors in this show deserve Emmys. The way they pushed through the emotions of their performances.
The writers so deserves an award. This show was brilliantly written. The funeral monologue episode was a masterpiece.
Kristen Schaal who voiced Sarah Lynn won an Emmy for the episode That's too Much Man
I love all these therapists and psychologists analyzing the show.
You actually made me cry talking about “it’s one perspective”. Enlightened me a bit
I feel the same way.
i just finished this show. i could relate to most of the lines. i cried a lot during relatable scenes.
i've been going thru therapy for almost 9 months now. because i felt like sh*t all the time. and it began when i had my heart broken really bad for the first time in my life 2.5 years ago (im 23). it cracked the surface and now i just dive deeper and deeper to understand why i have certain feelings and I recently began seeing my feelings. i am learning the grammar and vocabulary to express my feelings and this show is helping. it is tough, but when i look back, i can see how much i have improved, and it makes me proud.
I am you rn, got heartbroken in a very nasty way and now I am overflowing with all kinds of buried issues that I ever had. Going in therapy 👍
@@skromnyasha i hope you successfully go thru this process. Eventually, you’ll come out of it having improved in all aspects 🌹🙏🏽
Spoiler Alert: The thing that makes Diane happier is antidepressants. Also, her wanting Bojack to be a better person is kind of a big plot point for seasons 5 and 6.
Honestly I love the quote Diane gives in they last episode.
"There are people in your life that help you become the person you end up being, and you can be grateful for them, even if they were never meant to be in your life forever."
And that honestly really resonates with me. I think letting Bojack go was the best choice Diane could of made at the end of the show, it shows her amazing character growth, and it just.. Ends perfectly man.
It's ok mr. Blue sometimes we need to look at the sky
@@voidtapwater4676 I definitely agree. Diane is so self righteous and wants to bring out the good in everybody. She also judges people in a very black and white way. Seeing Bojack's good and bad sides, helps her have empathy for people who do bad things. However, in the end, she realizes it's not her job to judge or fix anyone.
@@meownow333yeah that makes sense
16:15 that friend was Diane. They went to Boston for her dad's funeral in early-mid Season 1. We saw exactly what sort of home life she escaped, right into the unconditional acceptance Mr. Peanutbutter offered.
Actually they leave it as a mystery because he also had an experience like that with PC when her father died, they talked about that too in one episode
Please please please watch all of this show, the first season doesn't go deep into mental health and all that but afterwards oh my god
I think the latter half of S1 goes into it more (esp Downer Ending), but I definitely get what you mean. The first half of S1 is more of a typical adult cartoon. I'm so glad I stuck around throughout the whole show though.
I used to have the voice in my head a lot more than I do now. (I don’t actually know what changed) But it was really annoying because my mind would go “They’re talking about you. They know how horrible you are... why are you so self-centered? Why would they be talking about you? It’s because they know you suck.” And yadayada. It would just go in circles all the time and contradict itself. Thankfully, I think I eventually had too many other things to think about that it got forced into the background and stayed there.
That voice is the worst!
Well I hope it will still help to know that people aren’t talking about you, or any of your flaws. How much of your time do you spend thinking about other people’s small flaws? Think of any one friend you have, what kind of flaws do they have? If you can even think of any, do you hate them for it? Do you think they make them a bad person?
I can assure you, they’re too busy thinking about their own imperfections, to think about yours.
I'm so glad this was recommended, I love this show so much.
What gets me the most in the Brand New Couch clip is how quickly Bojack is able to come up with a guess for her crossword. This is the most horrifying Beatrice scene so far in the series _for the audience_ but Bojack's psyche stews in that level of cruelty at all times. So he can immediately transition to working on an intellectual problem (in hopes of getting her approval that way).
But despite being used to it, it doesn't fail to tear him down.
Watching Bojack gave me a sort of cathartic cry that I needed. I relate to Bojack, minus me being a narcissist. My family dynamic was a lot like Bojack's except my mother was like Butterscotch and my father was Beatrice. It was so validating to see my situation played out on television. It also made me realize that life is too short to not get the help you need. I am currently looking for a psychiatrist. This show saved me from myself and helped me realize that I may be asexual as well and that may be a cause of my depression.
I'm wishing you the best❤️❤️❤️
"You were born broken. That's your birth right" hits so hard bro
A little thing it took me a while to notice, at 12:13, Bojack says you don’t have to feel bad about feeling bad, which is what Hollyhock’s dads taught to her, and she taught to him 🥺 she really was such a good influence for him
"Happy Birthday Princess Caroline"
"Thanks phone"
"You are 40"
*episode ends*
Second video: "Therapist needs therapy after react to Bojack Horseman"
11:02 "we feel like we should be happy because we've ticked all the boxes" - wait, you guys are ticking boxes?
Bojack made me feel so much. And the reality of his thoughts always bring me to tears with secondhand guilt. Animation is such a brilliant medium
I find it amazing that the most sad characters are the most successful. Bojack, Dian, Even Mr. Peanutbutter is at fault sometimes. Yet the most happiest character is...
Todd
From the very first episode he is supporting and compassionate to everyone around him, even if he gets none of the credit, or they think he is just some random goofball nobody. There are multiple times in the show where he becomes amazingly rich or famous. He becomes a dictator, becomes governor of California (for about a minute), and has multiple ideas that become their own successful business or make him rich. Yet he eventually ends up the same old couch surfing Todd, moving on to the next awesome idea.
He never stays on one thing for too long, because he doesn't look at the success, he looks at what makes him truly happy.
I REALLY like Bojack Horseman because I feel exactly like Bojack, because my mom has completely destroy me and I feel like I'm always struggling to try to stop the voice of my mother in my head... My mother was married with a dangerous alcoholic and when she trew him out (I never saw him after that) she was completely depressed and sad, and she was releasing all of her anger on me during my childhood, telling me that EVERYTHING was my fault, and that if she would prefer to never have children and got married... She never showed me any sort of love.
She kept repeating me all the time that people who are married are dumb idiot because love is just an illusion, and that all that matter is to have a great job and be rich, because money is the key to everything... Of course I became obsessed with money due to that and I spend years studying the stock market, I studied economy and accounting at the university and my dream was to become as rich as possible and to become rich...
But today I realised it's just all bullshit, money will never make me happy, and my only dream would be to find my soulmate... To truly love and being loved by someone, to get married and waking up each morning with someone to who I could tell that she's everything for me...
But I got this horrible feeling, this feeling of having a curse, like if my mother was right... Love is false and all women are bad and will break my heart
But I see a therapist and I know I don't have to believe the lies of my mother, and someday I will be truly happy with someone...
Please people, try to be kind to each other and take love seriously, love is the only thing that can save us !
Be your own soulmate
Go to therapy 100% it helped me a lot
@@azizabrown same
You’re on the right path, keep up
Be your own person you mom wasent in the best place you didint deserve all that hate but you can stop all that pain yourself it won't be easy but you can do it ik you and if you mess up you can do it again it may take a long time but that's okay stay safe💗💗💗
I found out that Bojack calls Holly his daughter because after a DNA test, she believes that he is her father. (She was adopted by 8 gay dads and she is trying to find out who her birth parents are, who are actually Bojack's dad, Butterscotch, and the family maid, Henrietta)
Bojack is actually her half-brother.
In age, the two siblings are about 30 years apart.
No matter how many times I hear that it’s ok to cry, I still think I cry way too much. I say this only because I’ve pretty much cried every single day of my life. I’ve been so depressed and sensitive since I was 4 with no consistent help, professional or otherwise. I’ve always been like this and I just feel so broken, like I was just born damaged and there’s just nothing I can do about it. My life honestly sucks. And I’m suffering every single day. And I have fibromyalgia so I’m also in physical pain every single day. It’s not that I don’t have reasons to cry, but I cry so much so often and I’m tired and I just want it to stop. Crying almost feels like a punishment. Life feels like a punishment. Idk what to do because I can’t really do anything. I’ve tried getting help every way I can, I don’t have access to resources. I can’t help but feel I wasn’t ever meant to succeed and that I was always going to die young. I’m barely hanging on.
It gets better, you’ll one day find it, hope you can find the help you need
Thats hard man/gal/pal I cant do much all I can offer is a helping hand or someone to talk to. It might be easier to talk to a close person over a complete stranger but you decide. I can definitely see what you are going through and I definitely have those thoughts and the best way to deal with those thoughts is to talk to someone. So you do what you want and hopefully I've been able to help you a bit more through your struggles
I cried when I read your text
I can understand you, you are strong, stay alive!
Even if the pain wants to devour you
@@iwannapunkhard thank you for the sympathy and support! I can honestly say I'm doing a lot better now! I've finally been able to start seeing a doctor and therapist and I'm still working through a lot of issues but my new medication, doctor, and therapist have all helped tremendously! I can honestly say that my life is looking up right now and this is the first time I've ever felt like my life is ok. I still cry quite a bit sometimes because of my anxiety but not every day like I used to.
@@First_last988 thank you, I finally have the help I need now and I'm doing so much better. I didn't know I could be so ok and happy even if I'm not "fixed".
“You’re Bojack Horseman, there’s no cure for that” Jesus….. just Jesus.
This counts as free therapy guys!!
'its just one point of view' is the line that probably saved me...
Thank you ❤️
I related so much to what he said about losing a crappy parent, he’s so on point and it hurts how right he is
"he didn't get the relationship with his mother that he wanted" is a misnomer.
He wanted the relationship he was OWED by her, by virtue of her forcing him to exist. He never asked to be born, but she *chose* to not only have him, but to keep him in her custody and subject him to her parenting.
You can either be too wrapped up in your own issues to treat your kid decently, or you can be a good person. But ya gotta pick.
It was the same thing that happened with my dad, and I think it might be the same with my mom 🥺 when my alcoholic dad died I grieved the potential of having a relationship with him.
I could relate to Bo Jack when he was talking in the funeral.
Just like my thoughts and feelings when my emotional neglectful father passed away..
Father issues, I dealt with it and I'm set that he would never change. Thing is, my father is a mean person. Everytime I confronted him, he doesn't let me talk. If he doesn't want to change, it's not my time worth. I've a lot going on, if he can't be there for me. I won't be there for him.
I said to my sis, if he dies. I will throw a party like Mr peanutbutter. Not like him, but a hella dope party. Learned me what not to do when I've kids.
A horse walks into a therapist's office. The therapist says, "So why the long face?"
he looks like the seal from the navy in that one episode
I've grown surrounded by people like this. The amount of psychological damage is enough in itself but also take into account that I was also physically abused. The physical abuse part scars you in a way not many people know or understand. In fact physical abuse its a true neutral word, what Im talking about is being subjected to torture. That's basically the environment I grew up in. I've just tried so hard all my life to not become so antisocial or depressed. My usual memories are mostly violence terror and sadness.
I'd LOVE to see your take on Mr. Peanutbutter and his issues!
Does he have problems. I was amazed by his positivity. Thing what I noticed. He always lives in the moment. Like a dog, what he is. That's why it's funny. He doesn't listen, so he needs someone who is more like him. Also, a dog loves unconditionally. That's why he cheated on Pickles with Diane. It's more his love live, he doesn't really have mental issues like bojack.
@@jasonMT3011 Mr Peanutbutter is pretty much a dog. Unconditional love and positivity. I guess one of his problem is he needs someone to love, hence being married almost 4 times. And the show concluded with Mr Peanutbutter being content with living by himself.
His other problem (that's more of a problem to Bojack and Diane) is his toxic positivity. Good in small doses, but for Diane who's a pessimistic, low self-esteemed person, Mr Peanutbutter is too much. Guy is the more suitable guy for her.
@@jasonMT3011 I’d recommend reading up on toxic positivity. Mr Peanutbutters a great example of how a forced positive outlook on life can be extremely toxic to those around them.
You're voice is so comforting. Like an old friend telling you everything's gonna be okay when you're in the darkest place of your mind. I wish I had you as my therapist instead of the one I got when I tried to go. I'll be honest, I'm supposed to be taking Lexapro. And instead of taking my medicine I fall back on smoking pot and drawing as a way to cope. I know drawing is a healthy coping mechanism, and the weed isn't. But it helps. It helps shut up that voice in my head telling me how terrible I am. It helps my anxiety when have random freak outs for no reason other than something that triggered said freak out. I lash out for no other reason than to push people away because I'm scared of hurting them or them hurting me. Im so scared of being put on a medication that makes me lose interest in the things I enjoy most. When I took Lexapro it got so bad that my boyfriend had to smack the bottle out of my hands because for some reason I spiraled worse. Now around that time, I was dealing with the murder of my step brother koty. So I was already spiraling because he was shot and killed. And my entire life I hated him for how he treated me and I never got to say sorry. Anyway, I went on a random tangent. I know weed isn't a healthy coping mechanism, but it helps. I forget how I'm feeling. I forget all the bad things that's going on and for a few hours or however long I smoke, I'm happy. I'm in a good mood. I feel good about myself when I smoke.
speaking of crying, this show makes me cry all the time. it hits way too close to home
Glad people are finally reacting to this show.
I'm just crying hearing you validate all of the abuse BoJack went through. I grew up in a home with narcissistic parents, and it feels like I'm being validated just listening. I know BoJack is a bad person, but I also know he grew up with self centered parents. You leave me with this feeling that nobody is hopeless, and that means a lot to me. Thank you.
One thing I haven't seen a ton of people talk about is how BoJack shows a lotttt of signs of BPD throughout the show. Maybe it's just because I have BPD, but, I dunno. I don't want to assume things about an anthropomorphic character lol, and I definitely don't want to sound like an armchair psych, but I think it would be super interesting if a therapist/psych broke down BoJack's symptoms as more than just depression.
Ok, when he started to talk about BoJack's mother, I knew for sure he's a therapist.
2:49 Right, and the cycle continued when he told the same thing to Sarah Lynn
I relate so much to what you said about BoJack wishing he had a good relationship with his mother. I’m the youngest between a family of 8 members and my dad (for most of his life) was out of the picture until recently when I turned 18. Both of them are 60+. My mom did the best she could, but I was still so empty and never felt like I had any kind of intimacy and affection from either of my parents. I get so conflicted about the small stupidest part of me who still wishes I had good parents, even when I am too old to ask for such a thing. Even when I feel I should just move on, what kind of adult am I to still wish I had good parents? Then I look into BoJack and Diane, and what you said, and it doesn’t feel so invalid.
Thank you for this thorough analysis, made me reflect on how I should view my relationship with them.
can I just say I learned more from you reacting to this than I have learned in years of therapy and treatment where I live.
it hard that ik what i need to fix in myself but still can’t seem to actually focus on changing
yes me too, looks like we change when we have to and not when we want
I have to say that this is better than my own therapist. I feel she only listens and waits for the paycheck. This video is actually helpful.
definitely a very underrated channel. thanks for the great content man
You're so insightful and understanding. Really good video
Bojack had a lot of trouble because he was supposed to be the heir to a Sugar empire which he threw away for his own sense of self worth to feel something other than being an heir to a dying empire. His mother wasn't caring because her own mother became so entombed in grief over her son's passing during WW2 that she was unwillingly given the Lobotomy. The grandmother was so uncaring that it passed to the mother and onto bojack because it was a cycle. Bojack broke it by giving his friend a place to live for a while and Diane to be a close friend. Bojack drinks to avoid things in his life and to try something to feel. His entire works were to escape his horrible home life. it was just bad for a while but he fixed most of it in the end.
Bro let the whole clip play and then comment on it holy shit man.
What do you think about the part where Bojack talks about how his family understood eachother.It’s the same Free Churro episode.
Thank you for the free therapy sesh, really needed it 😂🖤
That's a great point. You have to put the work in. The work does pay off seriously.
I tell you truly, perspective when mastered and realized/shifted can be a tool of wonders!!
And when a person discovers not their perfection but instead their full potential that’s when they improve.
To be better doesn’t mean to be perfect, it just means to be more of yourself than before.
Wish you would have showed the clip where Wanda left haha. That was one I could relate to almost fully.
What tf is your pfp you weirdo
@@alexare7948 it’s a tree on a blue wall
@@plugshirt1684 I think most people see something different
@@alexare7948 well obviously that is what I thought at first too but if you look closer it just deceptive most likely done on purpose
I only just realised that Bojack has earbuds in his ears, but his mother holds the phone by the side of her head.
I want to see his response to The View From Half Way Down.
You sound like a good therapist.
Awesome series to comment on! It's absolutely one of my favs
Bojack is my comfort show I THInk I try to find the answers I’m trying to find for my own self in this show.
Piece of sh*t is my favorite episode
Episode hits too close to home
I can't express how much I love this!
This is wow. This show effected my boarderline and ptsd . But now that I’m seeing it a little more balanced it is so ground breaking for personality disorder
I once had a friend describe his addiction to opioids as always waiting to be activated even when he had been clean for years. His addiction was bidding time patiently to give that gentle nudge which would tip the scale in a moment of weakness. When he told me this I immediately understood the consternation in his voice as he described his condition. It was akin to my depression. I have maintenances my depression with the understanding that I was destined to battle my abyss in any whenever opportunity arose for it to whisper insidious lies and be heard. Despite the fact I am a wee bit knackered, your video has given me hope; hope I will one day I will get setback and not contend compulsive self degradation. You have given me hope the cognitive triggers I set to alert me depressive dysfunction may one day be vestigial rather than practical. Thank you.
I wish Bojack had met you and had this 20mins conversation with you..it would have helped Bojack
Oh man, feeling guilty for not being happy sucks so hard. Been there, It sucks and It's so hard to get off that vicious cycle.
Just got you on my recommended, great video!! New subscriber
11:00 I was in Diane's shoes. I thought it was all over for me. I thought everything was hopeless. When you surround yourself with people who care about you and vice versa, you'll find that your spirits are lifted over time. It will get better.
One of the best shows ever ❤️
You should react to all three seasons of Infinity train. It's a show about Therapy through adventure, and all the pros and cons of such an idea. Each season is really short. 10 episodes 12 minutes per episode
Oldish thread but I agree
"People don't tell you to stop laughing"
Right... except when you are in school and you have to laugh without break, because someone else is laughing because you are laughing. And the teacher is really annoyed and in the end you can go 20 minutes early. It's a purely hypothetical scenario, of course.
I wasn't even aware that this show was this relateable, damn this hit so close to home, infact I'm drinking as I'm watching this. I too had the same feelings of not being good enough and trying my absolute best so many times but just fucking up in an endless cycle, despite having rich parents, great food, great friends, etc... I am sure it's something many people can relate to. This was a videa I accidently came across and I'm glad I did, I do think I understood the route of my problem better and seeing myself relate to Bojack in so many ways gives me hope in a way
YOURE SO UNDERRATED WTF
i hope u react to more bojack it is by far my favorite show
More bojack to come by the end of July
Watch this space
Beatrice is the person who disliked the video
I was told I’m Bojack in a serious conversation. I don’t know how I took it, but the algorithm was listening.
We need more Bojack please!😀
Do Sarah Lynne
It was just the ICU sign...
You understand Diane better than a lot of people did
Well done, great video :3
I love this show. I think that Bojack did what Shameless failed to do.
i want you as my therapist but i can't afford getting one
Depending on where you are therapy might be covered by public insurance
This show has made my depression better, and worse, it’s weird, almost funny really.
This gives me tears
I loved this so much I hope you make more
I relate to the first clip, when bojack tries so hard to find her mom’s approval for everything, I feel the same way with my mom, whatever I do it’s not enough for her and that makes me a little insecure on everything I do.
“Drinking makes you numb.” Unless if you’re me, where you shove down every somber emotion inside, and then release it after a few drinks... 😂 I’m not normal... 😅
thats actually also a normal reaction to alcohol
Did anyone knew what is written in LETTER given by Hollyhock to Bojack?
Thank you for posting this. You told me things I needed to hear. I cried without trying to stop myself.
There's always so much more to notice in this show, and I love that. Like Dianne apologizing for crying feels like it relates back to her own childhood. Her brothers used to tease her when she would cry and nicknamed her Cry-anne, they even do this when she goes home for her dad's funeral. So when she sees Bojack who she knows she can be real and honest with, she still feels like crying is something to be ashamed of.
And with Bojack, I feel like the scene with Hollyhock relates back directly to that call with Beatrice. He doesn't want to pass on that generational trauma and abuse. His mother used to reinforce that voice that told him he's stupid, fat, and worthless, and he didn't want that for Hollyhock. He didn't know what to tell her, but wanted her to have hope that the voice that tells her that everyone hates her goes away, and it was a really good growing moment for him to show that he's really trying to be better than he was.
I had hangover anxiety for the first time. I thought that my mere existence and eye contact might worsen other people's moods. I thought "Wait.. This guy (me) that has gotten so much love and compliments ought not be able to ruin someone's day by just being. It was a wierd realisation; feeling like a hazard to emotional stability while intellectually thinking of myself as a liked person.
Anyway,
I walked to a friend's place, socialized on his deck, and when he went inside I stayed out and there too I felt like I was in the wrong place, maybe in the way if others.
I thought and I realized that no matter where I was I would feel in the way. So I just accepted that I may be a bad environment to other's. Kinda passive aggressively I let myself feel grounded in maybe being in the way, so I felt more comfortable, and my friend thought that I had a nice vibe to me, he enjoyed the off put way I was giving to what I said and did.
I wasn't saying overly bad things - I just felt comfortable with expressing what I said with a tint of dark mood.
I really like that me accepting the feeling of not fitting in, I got accepted anyway (double comfort).
Once I accepted that I was cringe, tried to be as cringe as possible, and I got invited to a party 🤨😆
I think that one's own acceptance of feeling inadequate brings forth other people's acceptance of it too.
And I'm okay with people having a wierd taste in friends - Especially if I'm that weird friend ☺
Please comment on Herb not forgiving Bojack scene! ^^
My therapist once told me that we tend to think that the painful thoughts are the truest thoughts, but that's not accurate.
Have you watched the series? If feels like you havent
Thank you ! This is very helpful.
9:30 always makes me feel so sad, it takes SO much work all the time to keep that voice quiet. It's exhausting and disappointing that no matter how much you can intellectually say "That's not true!" It still unpredictably rushes back in moments of vulnerability. That's a sucky feeling.
Wish I watched bojack with this guy . I would have felt a lot better. Glad to hear this now