..... I guess we all know exactly what your point was then, huh? Not that you are a fan of Star Wars that you want to enjoy that with other people... But that you want to dictate your personal political fetishes on others in exchange for the privilege of enjoying something that you really don't have any say over. If your first and foremost worry about anything is whether or not it offends lgbtq or minorities, then you're not here for actual thing you're pretending to be here for. And that two and a half hour video looks like it might have been good, but now I'm not even going to bother. Sorry kiddo, you don't get to take this from the majority of people that enjoy it. That's not how this works. 😁
@@Pigpen_YT funny, that's exactly the word I thought of when you started off a two and a half hour video by showing that you clearly aren't even here to discuss a shared hobby with fellow fans... And if that's the case, don't pretend like it's not. "Cope" is what someone does when they try to worm their way into something that other people enjoy and take it over as a platform for their own little political fetish. You're the one who went out of your way to make that little disclaimer at the beginning, kiddo. That's the difference between the people making actual videos about the actual thing, and you! 💎 Imagine being so lame that you have to mix Star Wars and modern political activism....#cringe
@@Pigpen_YT .... Well by that same metric...your own video doesn't mean much beyond that little fascist disclaimer then, does it? Oh my science, you're not one of the people that thinks typing up basic English words on a screen takes effort and energy, are you? 😁 If your reaction to normal people liking Star Wars is a note at the beginning of a 2 and 1/2 hour video telling people that they don't agree with your politics they aren't allowed to watch it...sounds like cope.
I think the wildest thing about this iceberg video is that the star wars movies aren't this long. Research, recording, and editing all this must've taken an ungodly amount of time.
Ok, so I love that you refuse to spoil the short films, particularly the good ones, and feel that the early mention of spoilers from Avengers helpfully impacted this editorial direction. 10/10 for consistent world view. I can't wait for the next iceberg.
Fun Fact: Jake Lloyd started a rumor that were was a 6-Hour Cut of TPM & he said the voice actor of Grevious thought it was great. This was either likely an assembly cut or Lloyd made it up (which is the most likely scenario).
the hate for the Prequels has died down to a weird degree. I like them, but now you've got people holding them up as masterpiece epics just to justify their level of hatred against the Sequels. it's weird! star wars has always been a bit bumpy!
@@Pigpen_YT It’s only human to make that mistake. I remember losing my shit when seeing that. A extremely good fan film. Now theirs a animated fan series adapting the original thrawn trilogy and its outstanding given it’s being animated by one guy with no budget
@@luckykennedy7364 the only think I don't like about it is the shaky cam, the rest is just awesome. The intercut ANH scenes that meshed it with the original is such a great touch
This is one of my favorite videos on this channel. Not only for the in-depth research put into the iceberg but also the comment section for the large amount of copium and expository essays I find on here. Here's hoping we get a part 2 one day. Keep being based, Pigpen Quick complaint for the franchise: Can we please explore more planets beside Tatooine!?
I really like all of the unique reviews of the final Iceberg levels in your iceberg videos. Instead of just reviewing them like the other levels, you add your own touches to them, by making it like a character is discussing these points as if they were conspiracy theories (cuz most of them are). It’s a really neat touch that I feel sets your iceberg videos apart from others!
Man aside from the Rey and Poe stuff that duel of the fates script still sounds so sick to me, I really don’t care for the existing episode 9 so to know we could have had that instead just makes me so sad
Honestly with a few tweaks, the “duel of the fates” movie could’ve been kind of interesting. Change up hux’s lines, connect the kylo vs Vader fight with the world between worlds, let phasms stay dead, get rid of Rey/Poe, boom now we’re laughing
I really like the last segment with the robot voice, most icebergs just play some creepy music on the deepest layer but this works so much better its the droid voice without underlying music is not only topical but also quite unsettling without being explicitly meant to be scary...
The people in this comment section who are malding about you liking the sequels are hilarious, they dont seem to understand that people can like em if they want to. Loved the vid btw!
Personally, I don't like the sequels. But if somebody else does, who am I to put them down? Hell, I enjoy the prequels, so I don't have a right to judge sequel fans. It's all star Wars, and in the spirit of star Wars. Each film brings new characters, lore, and creatures to explore, which is what I love about star Wars is the unique content to get into. Let us rise above the MHA and Warrior Cat fandom 🙏
We know that you glaze retconing something amazing and creating miserable continuation out of it, but if you are true Star Wars fan you wouldn't say that you enjoy the new movies, so suit yourself as being enemy of true fans xdd NewCanon just sucks
My man Jacen Solo should have had a spot in tier 3, as he was something else, especially after his fall. If you interrupted him while he was using battle meditation, you best believe you were dead when the battle was over. He killed Mara Jade, he attempted to burn the Kashyyyk world-forest, he tortured Luke's son, Ben, in an effort to turn the boy, he kidnapped and threatened to kill his own daughter when his gf wouldn't give him her fleet, used Anakin Solo as a bargaining chip to lure Tahiri Veila, and he operated on a weird philosophy of using the dark side but not being corrupted by it to justify the atrocities he committed. I cannot believe he wasn't there somewhere :(
About Jediism. When you enlist, they put your religious preference on your dog tags. Well in one of my platoons we had a guy who picked Jedi for his and it was on his tags, then another guy from a different platoon but same barracks had his tags with Sith on his lol
For someone who keeps championing anti-toxicity, you sure do make quite a lot of smarmy, negative comments and judgments about things. Just so long as no one is trashing stuff *_you_* like, huh?
Your gaslighting soo hard with the sequels mann. Needed to be said. They’re unwatchable. I haven’t even finished the final movie. The whole plot was a slap in face and a insult to my intelligence. One of the worst imagined story’s put on film. Produced by big Disney with every resource imaginable. character assassinates Luke, Finn was forgotten, terrible lightsaber choreography, snoke, couldn’t even come up with their own villain!!! Grrrh. I could go on but I think I made my point. It’s bad. No it’s not because of Disney… it’s the decisions they’ve made at every turn. It’s like 343 with halo or EA with sports games. They’ve put themselves in the hole.. I would love for them to dig outta the hole and change the direction of these franchises (halo😭😭) but I’ve been watching for a few years and they digging deeper. Mace windu is coming back… that’s my final straw. Next thing anaikin/darth Vader survived the Death Star explosion. It’s disingenuous and shits on George’s original creation in much the same of the new lord of the rings show. Being a SJW movie doesn’t cut it. There needs to material. Sure in somebody’s world he somehow returns… in my Star Wars cannon reanimation or have the power/will to like like darth maul is purely dark side thing. Because that’s how George kinda described the dark side “working in mysterious ways type shit” Yes mace was versed in both light and dark.. but I don’t think he would suduce himself to the dark side for revenge. Don’t forget he was a true Jedi. And just gonna mention the book of boba fett.
I previously watched your Batman iceberg. I REALLY love your long iceberg videos, maybe because I like icebergs in general, and also use them as background noise during class. Maybe you'll do a video on the Smash Bros or lost media iceberg?
Smash Bros and Lost Media have already been covered pretty extensively. I'd recommend Blameitonjorge and All Things Lost's Lost Media icebergs and NEScRETRO's Smash Bros iceberg. You can't top those
@@Pigpen_YT You sure can't top 'em. I've seen all 3 and they're some of the highest quality iceberg videos i've ever seen (alongside yours, of course) Do you know about the S.T.A.L.K.E.R series of games? There is an iceberg for them, but it's quite confusing. I'd probably recommend the Metal Gear iceberg linked here, many of the things on it won't need too much research: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/713925758099390524/839850113504903198/received_783690128885332_1.jpeg
You keep venting about people complaining about stuff in the later parts of the series and it’s a bit grating. I don’t care if they deserve it or not. I just think your opening statement is a bit at odds with the comments you give.
I thought the same thing, he can sure dish it out but he wanted everybody to know right at the beginning that if you don't agree with his political fetish that you aren't even allowed to be here. That attitude just win so many people over to your side. 😁
The guys behind IMPS are apparently, _still_ working. If you're subbed to them, they've posted updates in the form of special effects demos. Something might even come soon. What chads.
Seeing those old Clone Wars bumpers from Cartoon Network again made me feel like a kid again, watching every single episode when it came out. Thank you for reminding me those existed
This was a great video! Whenever I see or hear about Star Wars:1313,I die a little inside. It looked so good and the fact we'll most likely never see it makes me want to cry.
Ever notice that the people who champion the Disney sequels really hate it that you can choose to ignore their canon? There's a weird element of tyranny in it.
I'm not surprised, an iceberg video about Star Wars is this long. I actually expected it to be longer, considering every creature on screen in every movie has a long Wikipedia page about them.
After watching more, I was right. You like thinking you're better than others and caring, yet you use the R word? People like you and the fandom menace are why the Star Wars community has a bad name
Bingo. Those who claim to be offended are actually claiming to feel defensive, since offensiveness is subjective. So you have to wonder what this content creator feels so defensive about when it comes to criticizing the sequels. Only insecurity drives defensiveness. The second he makes it into arguments from ethics or virtue i.e. 'fandom menace are bad people' we know that the insecurity is based in his sense of virtue, since that's how he frames the context. Naturally it would be, since I guarantee that his sense of virtue is based on not setting standards for things i.e. no discriminating anything, since as a Leftist he believes the practice of setting boundaries for others is prejudicial. So the only virtue is to not have standards which discriminate, which can't serve as a foundation for virtue. Instead, it's just a process of nebulizing meaning (deconstruction) they engage over and over again until morals, ethics, and eventually language becomes meaningless. Case in point: defining 'woman'. What is the virtue of 'woman' if they can't set a standard for what a woman even is? Given that the Disney sequels pushed the ethics of 'traits as virtues', it Forces them (get it?) to interpret criticism of the films as a confrontation of their perspective on virtue. So why is it good i.e. virtuous that there is greater racial diversity in the cast? What is the virtue of being black? The value of being female? How does this add to the film? WE didn't make a big deal about it, THEY did. So why do they care so much? This is why if you criticize say, Finn's character enough they will eventually retort, 'You wouldn't even care about this so much if he were white!' And so we find the root of their allegiance to the Disney sequels: they view it as a film which thumbs its nose at 'white Western hegemony'. Which sounds like a stretch but it's a common talking point in Leftist circles. So they like the Disney films because they're a middle finger to 'white Western hegemony', which itself is represented by the Lucas films and their fandom. Hence they also hate Lucas and the Star Wars fandom he created, which finally explains their projection that the 'Fandom Menace is a hate group'. The Disney films hate the prior Star Wars fans and such Leftists love Disney for it. It's a political vector/statement to them, not a good film. Oh but I forgot, I'm supposed to be a drooling idiot because I hate Disney's propaganda movies. Clearly, I can't understand my opposition (which the midwits have no choice but to claim otherwise).
Rewatching this after Bad Batch season 2 and I just realized some of the scrapped clone wars episodes were probably made into Bad Batch episodes, specifically the Wookie and Zillo beast ideas
Thank you for including Empire of Dreams. I too watched this film several times in my childhood and totally forgot about it until this video. Amazing documentary
Final tier: "losing the will to live", aka: Broken Heart Syndrome, a legit medical condition where severe emotional trauma can weaken the heart enough to kill you. Still think it was a weak way to explain her death? Droids aren't going to understand that, my guy and truth is often stranger than fiction. People really need to be more aware of this condition. It's logical, it's realistic, and it explains Padme's demise pretty well when you look at HOW she ended up that way. What do I think? Why not both? Padme had her heart broken by Anakin's betrayal, she was injured by him, and she was pregnant on top of THAT, never mind being near-term at the time. One kid is rough on the female body. Imagine it with twins. No wonder she passed. Palpatine probably took whatever lifeforce was still left in her and sped up the process.
@@wyattborden1377 I'll do it one better. It was all of it. Draining her life force and preexisting trauma can do it. It doesn't have to be just Palpatine doing Sith things.
On the first level you forgot about the insanely fun arcade fan game "battle of yavin" and "battle of endor" that can be downloaded on mod database. This is very obscure and i really wish more people knew about it
Actually, Padme's death is rooted in science. Takotsubo cardiomyopathy (Broken Heart Syndrome) is incredibly rare, but very real, and potentially lethal even in healthy people. It's also more common in women.
Hey Pigpen I'd love to see a second Star Wars Iceberg in the future given all the shows released since the first one. Maybe after Filoni's 'Heir to the Empire' film is out as it's apparently gonna be the culmination of the MandoVerse.
I'm a little upset that i hadn't made this first, or atleast a part of it (i had planned on making a cancelled games/kotor iceberg) but honestly I'm glad you had done it instead, considering i barely knew any of the fan films or most of the non game things. Though I do have every cancelled game documented so if you missed any i have a list of them. Oh also your mic is leagues better than mine lol
I don’t like the acting, the CGI, the writing and a lot of the action. I think a lot of the lightsaber duels from the prequels are overrated. I like the ideas of the prequels and love the era. I just wish the writing and acting were a lot better. Also outside of Dooku and Palpatine, I don’t think the villains are all that great. Maul’s my second favorite SW character but only for his roles in Clone Wars and Rebels. I think he’s very boring in TPM. Grievous is cool in ROTS but he has far too little screen time. Meanwhile I love most of the characters from the ST, love most of the fights, writing and themes. Also think the CG is far more consistent and the villains are all great even if I’m still not super big on Palpatine coming back. Music from both trilogies are insanely good tho
@@Pigpen_YT Fair. I'll be honest, I adore everything about the Prequels. I think it's peak Star Wars. Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are my second and most favourite Star Wars films respectively. And I've only watched half of Season 1 of Clone Wars, so I'm not part of the 'the Prequels are made good by the Prequels' crowd. I think they're perfectly fine as is. The Sequel Trilogy meanwhile, a lot of its good aspects are for me overshadowed by its issues; . The Force Awakens is fine but it's objectively the most safe and generic thing they could've made. Starkiller Base is just a Death Star made out of a planet, the Resistance is just the Rebels again (with X-Wings again, Y-Wings again, A-Wings again etc), The First Order is just the Empire again but shinier and sleeker (with Stormtroopers again, TIE Fighters/Bombers again, AT-ATs again, AT-STs again etc)... Like come on some original stuff please. Also compared to the Original Trilogy and ESPECIALLY the Prequel Trilogy the world building is nonexistent (it sorta is throughout the entire Sequel Trilogy but ESPECIALLY here given The Force Awakens is set 30 years after Return of the Jedi SOME would've gone a long way), especially as I'm someone who just adores that stuff. It gets points for being the only film where Finn gets anywhere close to reaching his potential though. . The Last Jedi is my fourth favourite Star Wars film. It's a gorgeous, deep, thought provoking film that's brave as fuck and (major hottake) has my favourite performance from Hamill as Luke, and is hurt only by how it's kinda fucked as the middle chapter of a Trilogy. . You know my thoughts on Rise of Shitwalker already I think. 😂😂😂 Also you mentioned the music, I think that the Sequel Trilogy music is kinda bland. The Original Trilogy's music is more iconic and the Prequel Trilogy's music is even more iconic than the Original Trilogy's stuff (to me anyway).
@@tritonk1759 I agree it needed more world building but thankfully novels, comics and shows will be giving us that in the future. As for ships mainly being the same I agree they should've done some different things (though I think the AT-M6 and FO TIE Bombers are fairly well designed and new. Same with the Bunkerbuster, Resistance bombers and Supremacy.) As for the music, I agree it's the weakest of the three trilogies but it still has some bangers. Rey's theme, Battle of Crait, The Jedi Steps and Finale, Ahch-To Island, The Spark, Anthem of Evil, Approaching the Throne and Farewell. I reccomend giving those tracks in particular a chance. They're really good
@@Pigpen_YT I'll give them a listen. I've already done so for Rey's theme in the past and I think it's just OK, but I'll give it another go. I will say that Kylo's theme and the Resistance theme both slap. I also really like the Throne Room fight theme, mostly I will confess because that sequence is just amazing. Yes it's got problems but I don't really care it's just so big and spectacular. Also I'll agree on for example the Resistance Bombers. The Last Jedi also gave us the First Order Dreadnought and Gorilla-esque AT-ATs. Rian Johnson seemed to actually try to give us some new stuff.
@@tritonk1759 honestly tfa isn't that safe only thing safe is explaining the force and that's that lol. starkiller base is like the death star in one quality and that's that like its laser is far more powerful and destructive and can be split and go through hyperspace. the first order isn't really the empire since they don't control the galaxy and they ceterinatly are a type of imperial remnant even tho people don't like saying that for the first order when it is technically tho. the only thing they got as the empire is look and is a successor state but thats it. they more connected to the darkside/sith more than the empire in Ogrins. The resistance isn't like a carbon copy of the rebels because the rebels were fighting a power that controlled the whole galaxy. They also were just more of a fringe group. I would say there more original stuff in the movie especially with rey and the new force powers. Also, saying that starkiller base, first order, resistance makes this film not original and say that needed to is fine opinion but it's really unfair in way. Honestly there is enough worldbuilding there and we have the other worldbuilding from the other films so i would say thats a little unfair, I do wish we saw the new separatist's union. Like for example the first odrder and how there were some much foreshadowed especially to snokes death that's worldbuilding. some this just seems unfair
You don't want people to hate on you for liking the garbage canon but you're going to hate on them for practicing jediism? The way of the Jedi is lost on you young Padawan
People complain about the music in the Star Wars Hotel but if it looks and sounds like that dance game near the end of this video I’ll pay to stay there
@@HT00798 He said Fandom Menace, not Phantom Menace. The Fandom Menace is a group of toxic fans who dedicate their life to shit on the sequels and people who like the movies as well as shitting on Disney and Lucasfilm as well as spreading lies through their TH-cam channels. They also encourage targeted harassment against actors and creators at Lucasfilm.
@@austinphillips7385 Yeah here is a thing, Gina was not fired, her contract was just not renewed so that she could continue working for Lucasfilm. Also, Gina spread a lot of misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID and spread allegations of Election fraud as well as liking tweets in support of the January 6th Capitol Riot.
Starting the video with "Fuck off haters" It's an amazing message against toxicity. I always prefer to keep the dialogue going on, that's how you show that you're the superior. Unless your arguments can't stand in the face of scrutiny, but If that's the case then you're the wrong one in denial. Also, drop the word "toxicity" from your vocabulary, otherwise It will completly lose It's meaning and will turn into another "I don't like you, shut up" blank term.
@@Pigpen_YT I would love to see that 40 page essay by the way. That's what many of Disney's detractors do, so that's what you should do to oppose them. If I had to pick between 40 pages of what does SW means to you and "Fuck Off" I would gladly take the first and not the second. Thanks for answering by the way, the vast majority of people don't.
Okay, I don’t like rise of Skywalker, but I don’t hate on people who like it, in fact one of my friends say that the sequels are THE BEST Star Wars movies and is adamant that the prequels suck, seeing as my favorite Star Wars movie is episode 3, I disagree
@@Pigpen_YT Yeah but it’s also wrong to pretend there’s no objectivity to the value of a story. I can understand if people like the sequel trilogy but that doesn’t change the fact that they are objectively bad
They are literally objectively bad. Like, if you see what they were going for and what they achieved, it can easily be categorized as failure. You can say they’re good movies if you feel like seeing pretty colors flash before you and you’re not at all interested in the plot, but the story is objectively bad. The characters are objectively bad. The arcs are objectively bad. The prequels are also objectively flawed. I wouldn’t say they were bad because the aspects that compromise its quality are not as large as those in the sequels. The bad dialogue (and, while the romantic dialogue *can* be considered subjectively bad due to the possibility of someone actually being woo’d by the things Anakin says to Padme in the countless scenes, I think it’s safe to say that it’s bad without needing to preface it with the word “subjective”) is bad because a majority of people who hear it will consider it awful romantic dialogue. Obviously I’m not saying majority opinion dictates what is good or bad, but we’re talking about episode 2 romantic dialogue lol If you want me to clarify my position, here it is: The sequels have a ridiculous number of aspects about them that are objectively poor in quality relative to the writing we’ve come to expect from most competent writers and previous Star Wars writing. Relative to the other films (which obviously are not flawless, but don’t have nearly as many issues as the sequels such as inconsistent characters, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc.), the sequel movies are giga space AIDS. Much of what is shown in the sequel trilogy does not meet the level of quality expected from a Star Wars film. Enough of these objectively poor qualities will allow someone to claim that the product, put together, is objectively bad. A ship made out of bad materials is a bad ship, even if it does survive its maiden voyage. A story made out of bad writing and storytelling is a bad story. A movie with the intent to tell a good story but is made out of a bad story is a bad movie. All three of the Star Wars films are bad movies. People who criticize the extremely poor quality of the sequel movies are not hating it for no reason. There are things that can be pointed out. There are countless questions that can be asked that have no logical answer. People who worry about these smaller aspects are the people who loved the previous films because, upon inspection, they held up. This is why the prequels got so much shit when they came out. Sure, they’re nice movies, but relative to what the audience had come to expect from Star Wars, they had too many flaws. The fan base, while very upset, saw most of the issues as superficial and overall ignorable in the end. The SEQUELS, however, have issues that plague the entire story (e.g. senseless character actions, countless Chekov’s guns being primed without firing, etc. All things that are antithetical to good storytelling). Eventually, a line is crossed where something stops being a flawed product and becomes a total failure to be what it wanted to be.
Respectfully I’m a black man and I’m a part of the Fandom Menace I grew up with Star Wars and I was hurt when the series I grew up with was absolutely butchered by Kathleen Kennedy and how she was running Star Wars I hate identity politics and critical race theory they’re racist and I do agree with you with the harassment of Rose Tico was terrible and that was done by a bunch of idiots but the fact that you think the whole fandom is a bunch of old racist white dudes says more about you The Fanbase is made up of a diverse number of peoples who love Star Wars before Disney bought it and they’re angry about what it has become.
@@Pigpen_YT he was making the point that he wasn't some old white racist. He's not saying his opinion matters more, he's saying that the assessment that "the fandom menace is just a bunch of minority hating bigots" is wrong and citing himself as evidence.
49:57 ive watched this video 10+ times now: everry time i hear this bit i get flashbacks to playing the lego star wars game. probably bc yoda and obiwan was the greatested team up in lego history.
This video reminded me of that time when my mom was in the hospital to give birth to my sister, and my dad came home with a chicken pot pie from KFC and gave me that Darth Maul cup.
its funny how every time you talk about people criticizing the sequels you use complete strawman arguments that people who dont like them dont even actually use
You see to have the feelings of a 5 year old, I don’t get it. Can you grow some thicker skin already??you sound like a whiny baby lol ( ban me from the channel for “toxicity” idc)
Man I'm still salty about how clone wars got cancelled especially after hearing all these ideas that would have been adapted in the series. I'll forever be thankful that we got a final season but I'd still would've loved to see these stories play out in the animated form.
49:17 - 49:22; The sequence mentioned here must've been cut late given it's a MASSIVE section of the Revenge of the Sith game. Likewise with Anakin killing Cin Drallig and Anakin killing Wat Tambor.
When he was talking about the 501st legion and said that the founders were “Albin Johnson and Tom Crews” I was hella confused and thought he was talking about Tom Cruise.
Because the old EU continuity stretched on since 1978. In that time, thousands of writers, artists, editors, designers, creative heads, etc. came and went. Bringing their own new ideas, incomplete ideas, influences and ambitions to the series. There was just so much previous material, that it would be near impossible for a newer writer coming into the series to keep track of all of it, while still working on their other projects and trying to have some sort of personal/family life outside of work. And with "evil Luke" being such an intriguing idea, it's no wonder many writers would want to take a crack at it, not realizing that some 60 writers before them, someone already did through some Dark horse comic miniseries printed before they were born. And so it goes on.
Toxic this toxic that. PEOPLE AND FANDOMS ARE TOXIC. Get over yourself! This """Iceberg""" would be a hell of a lot better if you'd shut the hell up about toxicity. Not everyone is nice, and everyone has opinions.
when you just kinda accept the way things are and don't wanna change things. lmao, dude I mention toxicity for a combined total of like 40 seconds in a two and a half hour video. If your dumbass is that triggered by that that says a lot more about you than it does me. Also idk what you mean by """"iceberg"""" that's literally what the video is. There's a difference between opinions and toxicity. Jesus christ I flat out say that in the video. Hell, I even say never let anyone make you feel like shit for liking something. You either didn't watch the video or you were so triggered by 40 seconds of audio that your brain refused to listen. Grow the fuck up kid
@@TheQuirkyQuarian why would I want Fandom Menace viewers lmao. Ya’ll can fuck out of the fanbase for all I care. Also nice armchair diagnosis there lmao. If saying FM should fuck is proof I’m unstable then what does that say about right wingers bitching 24/7 about Disney and Brie Larson?
@@TheQuirkyQuarian my man look at your own content lmao. And I do blame it on the majority. I interact with these people constantly. Thrawn me-boy, if you do not care for the content and wanna guzzle down Quartering paste then go ahead. You're a pretty mediocre person so really there's no value lost if you decide to leave
this is literally all I ask for. I cannot stand the prequels but love the sequels. But I'm not going to act like my opinion is objective fact. Nobody should. Art is subjective
@@Сайтамен art is subjective. idk what you want me to say. There is no "objective" good in art. Hell, I find enjoyment out of The Room and Birdemic. I like them for what they are.
@@Pigpen_YT So there is no such thing as good or bad writing, acting, special effects, story? What's the point of art schools, academy awards, rating pages?
Really like your content man but I feel the whole “fandom menace” PSA is contributing to the false perception that the Star Wars community is overrun with “racists and sexists”. Yes, people on the internet are mean sometimes but from what I’ve observed it’s a tiny minority being blown out of proportion and used to strawman people who take issue with the direction the franchise has taken. Instead of addressing the real issues this section of the community has there is a tendency to accuse them of being racists. I think everyone needs to be less hostile and realize that “toxic” people are the minority on all sides of the community.
@@CZPC I literally say it's okay to dislike the sequels. I even say it in this video. What are yout alking about? Sounds like you're just making shit up
I'm a legends fan myself. There are some canon things I like, but they're mostly things made by Favreau and/or Filoni, like the first two seasons of the Mandalorian for example. I personally hate the sequel trilogy, but don't let that stop you if you don't. I think one of the reasons people like me dislike canon is that Disney seemingly refuses to do anything with legends. It's clear they only made the distinction just so they could do whatever they wanted with the franchise. They're essentially alienating half the fanbase. In other words, they're wasting money. Think about it, do you know how much cash faithful film adaptations of legends content would make? You can still market the new stuff too, but everyone deserves to be happy. Heck, we don't even need movies (though they wouldn't hurt), just more content from that timeline. For example, a film trilogy depicting the Yuuhzon Vong war would be sick!
@@Сайтамен Yes. I made an iceberg video because I'm mad some people don't like the sequels. I didn't make this because I love the franchise to death and have basically unofficially branded myself as an iceberg youtube channel as this is the fourth iceberg I've done. My man do you have a brain?
@Don the person I responded to posted like 20 comments on this video and like five of them are the same copy and pasted paragraph. I stand by what I said
Honestly I can somewhat get a religion following Jedi teaching like try to keep an open mind, attacks for defensive purposes, meditation, and if a person wants trying to live in a place with the bare minimum (A bed, a chair, and some books) so I can see the basic ideas in a religion but that's talking about the basic structure of the Jedi actually treating Star Wars as a religion seems weird to me
This might sound like me going "ackshually" but the goofy "He lost the Star Wars" line in the script wouldn't have made it into the final film in any capacity. Screenwriters often tend to make goofy comments or gestures in the script as a bit of an in-joke, for lack of a better term. One of my favorite examples of this comes from Vincent Ward's scrapped Alien 3 script (The infamous Wooden Planet one), which reads as follows: "ARCEON Dwindles into the darkness behind her, a smouldering, slowly dying ember... THE SCREEN GOES BLACK END CREDITS ROLL... Teenager in the back of the movie theater shouts, "It's in the dog!""
Every time I come back to this comment section I always find at least one new funny rant. Thank you for the laughs
..... I guess we all know exactly what your point was then, huh? Not that you are a fan of Star Wars that you want to enjoy that with other people... But that you want to dictate your personal political fetishes on others in exchange for the privilege of enjoying something that you really don't have any say over.
If your first and foremost worry about anything is whether or not it offends lgbtq or minorities, then you're not here for actual thing you're pretending to be here for. And that two and a half hour video looks like it might have been good, but now I'm not even going to bother.
Sorry kiddo, you don't get to take this from the majority of people that enjoy it. That's not how this works. 😁
@@sourdough_ak998 cope
@@Pigpen_YT funny, that's exactly the word I thought of when you started off a two and a half hour video by showing that you clearly aren't even here to discuss a shared hobby with fellow fans... And if that's the case, don't pretend like it's not. "Cope" is what someone does when they try to worm their way into something that other people enjoy and take it over as a platform for their own little political fetish.
You're the one who went out of your way to make that little disclaimer at the beginning, kiddo. That's the difference between the people making actual videos about the actual thing, and you! 💎
Imagine being so lame that you have to mix Star Wars and modern political activism....#cringe
@@sourdough_ak998 if your reaction to “cope” is a three paragraph rant about how you’re not coping I think you might be coping
@@Pigpen_YT .... Well by that same metric...your own video doesn't mean much beyond that little fascist disclaimer then, does it? Oh my science, you're not one of the people that thinks typing up basic English words on a screen takes effort and energy, are you? 😁
If your reaction to normal people liking Star Wars is a note at the beginning of a 2 and 1/2 hour video telling people that they don't agree with your politics they aren't allowed to watch it...sounds like cope.
I think the wildest thing about this iceberg video is that the star wars movies aren't this long. Research, recording, and editing all this must've taken an ungodly amount of time.
outside of the last jedi, I'm fairly certain this is longer than all of them. It was hell to make
@@Pigpen_YT last Jedi was hell to watch
@@SewagePickledon’t let him hear you say that, he’ll call you a racist
@@zzodysseuszz yeah man you got it
@@zzodysseuszzwhat
Wait an iceberg video made by a relatively small channel and the narrorator doesn't have a shit mic? Legend
This wasn’t always the case
@@Pigpen_YT i remember, and ill be coming for that old mic, mr dyscalculic bond
@@Pigpen_YT what mic you use by any chance because it picks up your voice really well iv been looking for a good mic myself
Dang no mention of Sha'a Gi. He is basically Shaggy from Scooby-Doo as a Jedi.
Maybe he's saving it for another iceberg... 🤔
@@umbrella3235 Scooby-Doo Iceberg 👀
That Version of Shaggy was weak.
That’s an entire iceberg on its own.
And got almost immediately deleted by grievous
Ok, so I love that you refuse to spoil the short films, particularly the good ones, and feel that the early mention of spoilers from Avengers helpfully impacted this editorial direction. 10/10 for consistent world view. I can't wait for the next iceberg.
Fun Fact: Jake Lloyd started a rumor that were was a 6-Hour Cut of TPM & he said the voice actor of Grevious thought it was great. This was either likely an assembly cut or Lloyd made it up (which is the most likely scenario).
This channel churns out very high quality content very quickly for being so small. Its easy to see theres a lot of passion going into these videos.
Thanks. I try
@@Pigpen_YT well you succeed
@@Pigpen_YT Do or do not, There is no try, and you do
Fr I don’t know how mans does it he’s a goat
You can tell it’s driven from pure passion
Sequel fans: I can’t believe people hate our films
Prequel fans:join the club
the hate for the Prequels has died down to a weird degree. I like them, but now you've got people holding them up as masterpiece epics just to justify their level of hatred against the Sequels. it's weird! star wars has always been a bit bumpy!
I'm surprised "Scene 38" didn't make it into the Fandom section with how big it was on release.
Holy fuck I’m an idiot. HOW DID I FORGET THAT
@@Pigpen_YT It’s only human to make that mistake. I remember losing my shit when seeing that. A extremely good fan film. Now theirs a animated fan series adapting the original thrawn trilogy and its outstanding given it’s being animated by one guy with no budget
@@luckykennedy7364 the only think I don't like about it is the shaky cam, the rest is just awesome. The intercut ANH scenes that meshed it with the original is such a great touch
"Giant meat rock" is the best thing I've ever heard
This is one of my favorite videos on this channel. Not only for the in-depth research put into the iceberg but also the comment section for the large amount of copium and expository essays I find on here. Here's hoping we get a part 2 one day. Keep being based, Pigpen
Quick complaint for the franchise: Can we please explore more planets beside Tatooine!?
I really like all of the unique reviews of the final Iceberg levels in your iceberg videos. Instead of just reviewing them like the other levels, you add your own touches to them, by making it like a character is discussing these points as if they were conspiracy theories (cuz most of them are). It’s a really neat touch that I feel sets your iceberg videos apart from others!
Facts couldn't find a way to word it but yeah it's great I think immersive is the word but I'm not sure omfai
Man aside from the Rey and Poe stuff that duel of the fates script still sounds so sick to me, I really don’t care for the existing episode 9 so to know we could have had that instead just makes me so sad
Honestly with a few tweaks, the “duel of the fates” movie could’ve been kind of interesting. Change up hux’s lines, connect the kylo vs Vader fight with the world between worlds, let phasms stay dead, get rid of Rey/Poe, boom now we’re laughing
Imagine what Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga could've been like if we got it!
I really like the last segment with the robot voice, most icebergs just play some creepy music on the deepest layer but this works so much better its the droid voice without underlying music is not only topical but also quite unsettling without being explicitly meant to be scary...
Ahreed
The story of Alex Guinness and that kid always just makes me really fucking sad. Like I feel so bad for that poor kid.
Actually Alec Guinnes exaggerated the story. The kids did not actually start crying.
The people in this comment section who are malding about you liking the sequels are hilarious, they dont seem to understand that people can like em if they want to. Loved the vid btw!
Personally, I don't like the sequels. But if somebody else does, who am I to put them down? Hell, I enjoy the prequels, so I don't have a right to judge sequel fans. It's all star Wars, and in the spirit of star Wars. Each film brings new characters, lore, and creatures to explore, which is what I love about star Wars is the unique content to get into. Let us rise above the MHA and Warrior Cat fandom 🙏
@@personofpowera.b.c990 you mean prequels? Unfortunately, obi wan is not in the sequels...
We know that you glaze retconing something amazing and creating miserable continuation out of it, but if you are true Star Wars fan you wouldn't say that you enjoy the new movies, so suit yourself as being enemy of true fans xdd NewCanon just sucks
@@Rubydrawzan example of there being two types of prequel fans haha
@@klatajakupirata4206what did the sequels retcon? Also you are in the vocal minority
I wish I lived in the timeline where Michael Jackson plays Jar Jar Binks
My man Jacen Solo should have had a spot in tier 3, as he was something else, especially after his fall. If you interrupted him while he was using battle meditation, you best believe you were dead when the battle was over. He killed Mara Jade, he attempted to burn the Kashyyyk world-forest, he tortured Luke's son, Ben, in an effort to turn the boy, he kidnapped and threatened to kill his own daughter when his gf wouldn't give him her fleet, used Anakin Solo as a bargaining chip to lure Tahiri Veila, and he operated on a weird philosophy of using the dark side but not being corrupted by it to justify the atrocities he committed. I cannot believe he wasn't there somewhere :(
I dislike the sequels but believe that your opinion has the same validity as mine. There is no inherent right or wrong answer here.
based
@@Pigpen_YTbased on retardation
Every time I think I'm done with Star Wars I love coming back to this video to find my love for star wars again.
I thought a 5 day wait was a little excessive until I saw this released on May 4th.
Well played
All I’m saying is that if you wanted a twist as good as “I am your father” than Jar Jar being a sith lord would have been it.
About Jediism. When you enlist, they put your religious preference on your dog tags. Well in one of my platoons we had a guy who picked Jedi for his and it was on his tags, then another guy from a different platoon but same barracks had his tags with Sith on his lol
That had to have been awkward.
For someone who keeps championing anti-toxicity, you sure do make quite a lot of smarmy, negative comments and judgments about things. Just so long as no one is trashing stuff *_you_* like, huh?
yeah man you got it bro
He owned you with his sarcastic response 😎😎😎😎 hahaha loser get rekt
Your gaslighting soo hard with the sequels mann. Needed to be said. They’re unwatchable. I haven’t even finished the final movie. The whole plot was a slap in face and a insult to my intelligence. One of the worst imagined story’s put on film. Produced by big Disney with every resource imaginable. character assassinates Luke, Finn was forgotten, terrible lightsaber choreography, snoke, couldn’t even come up with their own villain!!! Grrrh. I could go on but I think I made my point. It’s bad.
No it’s not because of Disney… it’s the decisions they’ve made at every turn. It’s like 343 with halo or EA with sports games. They’ve put themselves in the hole.. I would love for them to dig outta the hole and change the direction of these franchises (halo😭😭) but I’ve been watching for a few years and they digging deeper.
Mace windu is coming back… that’s my final straw. Next thing anaikin/darth Vader survived the Death Star explosion. It’s disingenuous and shits on George’s original creation in much the same of the new lord of the rings show. Being a SJW movie doesn’t cut it. There needs to material. Sure in somebody’s world he somehow returns… in my Star Wars cannon reanimation or have the power/will to like like darth maul is purely dark side thing. Because that’s how George kinda described the dark side “working in mysterious ways type shit” Yes mace was versed in both light and dark.. but I don’t think he would suduce himself to the dark side for revenge. Don’t forget he was a true Jedi.
And just gonna mention the book of boba fett.
Honestly you sound offended not really give any good points other then bitching
Bro wrote an essay for nothing lmao
@@usernamepassword236 Oh my word you’re so g*****n right
If a ship is being attacked by horses, then why not rotate the ship so they fall off? Just one of those questions I can't ask without being 'toxic'.
@@usernamepassword236three paragraphs is not an essay my guy 😂
I previously watched your Batman iceberg. I REALLY love your long iceberg videos, maybe because I like icebergs in general, and also use them as background noise during class.
Maybe you'll do a video on the Smash Bros or lost media iceberg?
Smash Bros and Lost Media have already been covered pretty extensively. I'd recommend Blameitonjorge and All Things Lost's Lost Media icebergs and
NEScRETRO's Smash Bros iceberg. You can't top those
@@Pigpen_YT You sure can't top 'em.
I've seen all 3 and they're some of the highest quality iceberg videos i've ever seen (alongside yours, of course)
Do you know about the S.T.A.L.K.E.R series of games? There is an iceberg for them, but it's quite confusing. I'd probably recommend the Metal Gear iceberg linked here, many of the things on it won't need too much research:
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0:52 no toxicity of any kind, but people have to leave your channel if they like a certain movie in the franchise.
Yeah he’s a retard
No they need to leave if they feel superior for disliking a movie other people like also if they harass and bully people
You know for a guy who doesn’t wanna be toxic you sure throw shade a lot.
like?
You keep venting about people complaining about stuff in the later parts of the series and it’s a bit grating. I don’t care if they deserve it or not. I just think your opening statement is a bit at odds with the comments you give.
@@mr.selyumor5402 Like?
I thought the same thing, he can sure dish it out but he wanted everybody to know right at the beginning that if you don't agree with his political fetish that you aren't even allowed to be here. That attitude just win so many people over to your side. 😁
@@sourdough_ak998 yes
The guys behind IMPS are apparently, _still_ working. If you're subbed to them, they've posted updates in the form of special effects demos. Something might even come soon.
What chads.
Seeing those old Clone Wars bumpers from Cartoon Network again made me feel like a kid again, watching every single episode when it came out. Thank you for reminding me those existed
This was a great video!
Whenever I see or hear about Star Wars:1313,I die a little inside. It looked so good and the fact we'll most likely never see it makes me want to cry.
I do not like the Disney Canon. The George Lucas films and the Extended Universe will be my canon
Ever notice that the people who champion the Disney sequels really hate it that you can choose to ignore their canon? There's a weird element of tyranny in it.
@@Marcara081 Odd
@@Marcara081 fr
I'm not surprised, an iceberg video about Star Wars is this long. I actually expected it to be longer, considering every creature on screen in every movie has a long Wikipedia page about them.
Why even bring up fandom menace? Unless you're insecure about your own virtue
After watching more, I was right. You like thinking you're better than others and caring, yet you use the R word? People like you and the fandom menace are why the Star Wars community has a bad name
Because they're bad people and it's triggered a lot of people
Bingo. Those who claim to be offended are actually claiming to feel defensive, since offensiveness is subjective. So you have to wonder what this content creator feels so defensive about when it comes to criticizing the sequels. Only insecurity drives defensiveness. The second he makes it into arguments from ethics or virtue i.e. 'fandom menace are bad people' we know that the insecurity is based in his sense of virtue, since that's how he frames the context.
Naturally it would be, since I guarantee that his sense of virtue is based on not setting standards for things i.e. no discriminating anything, since as a Leftist he believes the practice of setting boundaries for others is prejudicial. So the only virtue is to not have standards which discriminate, which can't serve as a foundation for virtue. Instead, it's just a process of nebulizing meaning (deconstruction) they engage over and over again until morals, ethics, and eventually language becomes meaningless. Case in point: defining 'woman'. What is the virtue of 'woman' if they can't set a standard for what a woman even is?
Given that the Disney sequels pushed the ethics of 'traits as virtues', it Forces them (get it?) to interpret criticism of the films as a confrontation of their perspective on virtue. So why is it good i.e. virtuous that there is greater racial diversity in the cast? What is the virtue of being black? The value of being female? How does this add to the film? WE didn't make a big deal about it, THEY did. So why do they care so much?
This is why if you criticize say, Finn's character enough they will eventually retort, 'You wouldn't even care about this so much if he were white!' And so we find the root of their allegiance to the Disney sequels: they view it as a film which thumbs its nose at 'white Western hegemony'. Which sounds like a stretch but it's a common talking point in Leftist circles.
So they like the Disney films because they're a middle finger to 'white Western hegemony', which itself is represented by the Lucas films and their fandom. Hence they also hate Lucas and the Star Wars fandom he created, which finally explains their projection that the 'Fandom Menace is a hate group'. The Disney films hate the prior Star Wars fans and such Leftists love Disney for it. It's a political vector/statement to them, not a good film.
Oh but I forgot, I'm supposed to be a drooling idiot because I hate Disney's propaganda movies. Clearly, I can't understand my opposition (which the midwits have no choice but to claim otherwise).
Rewatching this after Bad Batch season 2 and I just realized some of the scrapped clone wars episodes were probably made into Bad Batch episodes, specifically the Wookie and Zillo beast ideas
That’s what I love about SW animation. If something gets scrapped in one project it usually finds itself being reworked into another
Squad 42 and that era of Lego Star Wars stop motion was the greatest era of YT, you cannot argue against this.
Agreed, so many classics from back then
Thank you for including Empire of Dreams. I too watched this film several times in my childhood and totally forgot about it until this video. Amazing documentary
Correction: George Lucas Actually had paper for ideas they can and can’t do, so he was actually involved with EU projects
Final tier: "losing the will to live", aka: Broken Heart Syndrome, a legit medical condition where severe emotional trauma can weaken the heart enough to kill you. Still think it was a weak way to explain her death? Droids aren't going to understand that, my guy and truth is often stranger than fiction. People really need to be more aware of this condition. It's logical, it's realistic, and it explains Padme's demise pretty well when you look at HOW she ended up that way.
What do I think? Why not both? Padme had her heart broken by Anakin's betrayal, she was injured by him, and she was pregnant on top of THAT, never mind being near-term at the time. One kid is rough on the female body. Imagine it with twins. No wonder she passed. Palpatine probably took whatever lifeforce was still left in her and sped up the process.
Actually no. It was explained that Palpatine was draining her of "life energy" to sustain Anakin as he was going through his surgerys
@@wyattborden1377 I'll do it one better. It was all of it. Draining her life force and preexisting trauma can do it. It doesn't have to be just Palpatine doing Sith things.
You're a fan of star wars? name every star and war
Edit: Good vid man, keep up the good work and hope you get more views/subs
You have no idea how tempted I was to try and name every war in star wars
@@Pigpen_YT dew it
"I hope Battlefield 6 is good"
"Lol." DICE said. "Lmao."
They canceled battlefront 2 FOR THAT DEAD PILE OF DUNG. This is the most engaging thing
On the first level you forgot about the insanely fun arcade fan game "battle of yavin" and "battle of endor" that can be downloaded on mod database. This is very obscure and i really wish more people knew about it
I love that this iceberg covers things by category instead from most know to obscure. I would love to see more icebergs like this.
Actually, Padme's death is rooted in science. Takotsubo cardiomyopathy (Broken Heart Syndrome) is incredibly rare, but very real, and potentially lethal even in healthy people. It's also more common in women.
Not really if you look at padme she just give life to her babies
Really gotta start off the vid so divisive. I know it's tempting to lash out against the "other side" but it never solves the problem at all.
don't care
@@Pigpen_YT
Thought so
@@RobinSwede yup, fuck anyone in the fandom menace
Seth Rogan be exactly like a king, out of touch and completely loco. Lmao.
Hey Pigpen I'd love to see a second Star Wars Iceberg in the future given all the shows released since the first one. Maybe after Filoni's 'Heir to the Empire' film is out as it's apparently gonna be the culmination of the MandoVerse.
All i will say is all of Disney's star wars is fanfiction.
Jedi Academy has updated multiple times over the last year but nobody can seem to find what was updated. They are super small updates
Network changes? Only thing i couls think that would need updates to remain usable.
I'm a little upset that i hadn't made this first, or atleast a part of it (i had planned on making a cancelled games/kotor iceberg) but honestly I'm glad you had done it instead, considering i barely knew any of the fan films or most of the non game things. Though I do have every cancelled game documented so if you missed any i have a list of them.
Oh also your mic is leagues better than mine lol
If I may ask, why do you dislike the Prequel Trilogy but like the Sequel Trilogy???
I don’t like the acting, the CGI, the writing and a lot of the action. I think a lot of the lightsaber duels from the prequels are overrated. I like the ideas of the prequels and love the era. I just wish the writing and acting were a lot better. Also outside of Dooku and Palpatine, I don’t think the villains are all that great. Maul’s my second favorite SW character but only for his roles in Clone Wars and Rebels. I think he’s very boring in TPM. Grievous is cool in ROTS but he has far too little screen time.
Meanwhile I love most of the characters from the ST, love most of the fights, writing and themes. Also think the CG is far more consistent and the villains are all great even if I’m still not super big on Palpatine coming back.
Music from both trilogies are insanely good tho
@@Pigpen_YT Fair. I'll be honest, I adore everything about the Prequels. I think it's peak Star Wars. Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are my second and most favourite Star Wars films respectively. And I've only watched half of Season 1 of Clone Wars, so I'm not part of the 'the Prequels are made good by the Prequels' crowd. I think they're perfectly fine as is.
The Sequel Trilogy meanwhile, a lot of its good aspects are for me overshadowed by its issues;
. The Force Awakens is fine but it's objectively the most safe and generic thing they could've made. Starkiller Base is just a Death Star made out of a planet, the Resistance is just the Rebels again (with X-Wings again, Y-Wings again, A-Wings again etc), The First Order is just the Empire again but shinier and sleeker (with Stormtroopers again, TIE Fighters/Bombers again, AT-ATs again, AT-STs again etc)... Like come on some original stuff please. Also compared to the Original Trilogy and ESPECIALLY the Prequel Trilogy the world building is nonexistent (it sorta is throughout the entire Sequel Trilogy but ESPECIALLY here given The Force Awakens is set 30 years after Return of the Jedi SOME would've gone a long way), especially as I'm someone who just adores that stuff. It gets points for being the only film where Finn gets anywhere close to reaching his potential though.
. The Last Jedi is my fourth favourite Star Wars film. It's a gorgeous, deep, thought provoking film that's brave as fuck and (major hottake) has my favourite performance from Hamill as Luke, and is hurt only by how it's kinda fucked as the middle chapter of a Trilogy.
. You know my thoughts on Rise of Shitwalker already I think. 😂😂😂
Also you mentioned the music, I think that the Sequel Trilogy music is kinda bland. The Original Trilogy's music is more iconic and the Prequel Trilogy's music is even more iconic than the Original Trilogy's stuff (to me anyway).
@@tritonk1759 I agree it needed more world building but thankfully novels, comics and shows will be giving us that in the future. As for ships mainly being the same I agree they should've done some different things (though I think the AT-M6 and FO TIE Bombers are fairly well designed and new. Same with the Bunkerbuster, Resistance bombers and Supremacy.)
As for the music, I agree it's the weakest of the three trilogies but it still has some bangers. Rey's theme, Battle of Crait, The Jedi Steps and Finale, Ahch-To Island, The Spark, Anthem of Evil, Approaching the Throne and Farewell. I reccomend giving those tracks in particular a chance. They're really good
@@Pigpen_YT I'll give them a listen. I've already done so for Rey's theme in the past and I think it's just OK, but I'll give it another go.
I will say that Kylo's theme and the Resistance theme both slap. I also really like the Throne Room fight theme, mostly I will confess because that sequence is just amazing. Yes it's got problems but I don't really care it's just so big and spectacular.
Also I'll agree on for example the Resistance Bombers. The Last Jedi also gave us the First Order Dreadnought and Gorilla-esque AT-ATs. Rian Johnson seemed to actually try to give us some new stuff.
@@tritonk1759 honestly tfa isn't that safe only thing safe is explaining the force and that's that lol. starkiller base is like the death star in one quality and that's that like its laser is far more powerful and destructive and can be split and go through hyperspace. the first order isn't really the empire since they don't control the galaxy and they ceterinatly are a type of imperial remnant even tho people don't like saying that for the first order when it is technically tho. the only thing they got as the empire is look and is a successor state but thats it. they more connected to the darkside/sith more than the empire in Ogrins. The resistance isn't like a carbon copy of the rebels because the rebels were fighting a power that controlled the whole galaxy. They also were just more of a fringe group. I would say there more original stuff in the movie especially with rey and the new force powers. Also, saying that starkiller base, first order, resistance makes this film not original and say that needed to is fine opinion but it's really unfair in way. Honestly there is enough worldbuilding there and we have the other worldbuilding from the other films so i would say thats a little unfair, I do wish we saw the new separatist's union. Like for example the first odrder and how there were some much foreshadowed especially to snokes death that's worldbuilding. some this just seems unfair
You don't want people to hate on you for liking the garbage canon but you're going to hate on them for practicing jediism?
The way of the Jedi is lost on you young Padawan
LOL
People complain about the music in the Star Wars Hotel but if it looks and sounds like that dance game near the end of this video I’ll pay to stay there
I don't like the sequels myself but I do love the mandalorian and rogue one. I also dislike the Fandom menace. Great video.
Bruh The Phantom Menace is great bruh
@@HT00798 He said Fandom Menace, not Phantom Menace. The Fandom Menace is a group of toxic fans who dedicate their life to shit on the sequels and people who like the movies as well as shitting on Disney and Lucasfilm as well as spreading lies through their TH-cam channels. They also encourage targeted harassment against actors and creators at Lucasfilm.
@@HenryLouis21 yea, sure they target, harass and get people fired. That's exactly what they did to Gina
@@austinphillips7385 Yeah here is a thing, Gina was not fired, her contract was just not renewed so that she could continue working for Lucasfilm. Also, Gina spread a lot of misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID and spread allegations of Election fraud as well as liking tweets in support of the January 6th Capitol Riot.
@@austinphillips7385 Gina essentially fired herself lmao, I liked her character but too bad her actor was a dumbass.
did the fandom menace bully you in school?
No they’re just bad people sorry
@@Pigpen_YT trueeeee
@@Pigpen_YT Keep coping.
are they...white slavers?
Ever notice that all the Legends novel covers look like bad photoshops?
I love how this guy is just commenting stuff like "ur mum gae" instead of addressing any criticism
yeah man you got it
Another winner! As someone with a passing knowledge of star wars this was fun and informative. Looking forward to the next one!
Starting the video with "Fuck off haters" It's an amazing message against toxicity. I always prefer to keep the dialogue going on, that's how you show that you're the superior. Unless your arguments can't stand in the face of scrutiny, but If that's the case then you're the wrong one in denial. Also, drop the word "toxicity" from your vocabulary, otherwise It will completly lose It's meaning and will turn into another "I don't like you, shut up" blank term.
yeah man let me open up with a 40 page essay explaining my stance on star wars
@@Pigpen_YT I would love to see that 40 page essay by the way. That's what many of Disney's detractors do, so that's what you should do to oppose them. If I had to pick between 40 pages of what does SW means to you and "Fuck Off" I would gladly take the first and not the second. Thanks for answering by the way, the vast majority of people don't.
he has every right to use toxicity, but you don't for missing using
@@bigbangrafa8435 lol such a funny comment
@@bullrun2772he owned em 😎😎😎
Watched through the whole thing and I gotta say I was not bored at all massive props to you man you have my subscription can’t wait for more content!
Okay, I don’t like rise of Skywalker, but I don’t hate on people who like it, in fact one of my friends say that the sequels are THE BEST Star Wars movies and is adamant that the prequels suck, seeing as my favorite Star Wars movie is episode 3, I disagree
yeah and that's fine. Hating any of the trilogies is fine, just don't act like your opinion is above anyone else's cus that's bad
@@Pigpen_YT Yeah but it’s also wrong to pretend there’s no objectivity to the value of a story. I can understand if people like the sequel trilogy but that doesn’t change the fact that they are objectively bad
@@TuesdaySFD nope. They're not objectively bad. By that same logic I can simply say the prequels are objectively bad and you can't argue against that.
They are literally objectively bad. Like, if you see what they were going for and what they achieved, it can easily be categorized as failure. You can say they’re good movies if you feel like seeing pretty colors flash before you and you’re not at all interested in the plot, but the story is objectively bad. The characters are objectively bad. The arcs are objectively bad.
The prequels are also objectively flawed. I wouldn’t say they were bad because the aspects that compromise its quality are not as large as those in the sequels. The bad dialogue (and, while the romantic dialogue *can* be considered subjectively bad due to the possibility of someone actually being woo’d by the things Anakin says to Padme in the countless scenes, I think it’s safe to say that it’s bad without needing to preface it with the word “subjective”) is bad because a majority of people who hear it will consider it awful romantic dialogue. Obviously I’m not saying majority opinion dictates what is good or bad, but we’re talking about episode 2 romantic dialogue lol
If you want me to clarify my position, here it is:
The sequels have a ridiculous number of aspects about them that are objectively poor in quality relative to the writing we’ve come to expect from most competent writers and previous Star Wars writing. Relative to the other films (which obviously are not flawless, but don’t have nearly as many issues as the sequels such as inconsistent characters, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc.), the sequel movies are giga space AIDS. Much of what is shown in the sequel trilogy does not meet the level of quality expected from a Star Wars film. Enough of these objectively poor qualities will allow someone to claim that the product, put together, is objectively bad. A ship made out of bad materials is a bad ship, even if it does survive its maiden voyage. A story made out of bad writing and storytelling is a bad story. A movie with the intent to tell a good story but is made out of a bad story is a bad movie. All three of the Star Wars films are bad movies.
People who criticize the extremely poor quality of the sequel movies are not hating it for no reason. There are things that can be pointed out. There are countless questions that can be asked that have no logical answer. People who worry about these smaller aspects are the people who loved the previous films because, upon inspection, they held up.
This is why the prequels got so much shit when they came out. Sure, they’re nice movies, but relative to what the audience had come to expect from Star Wars, they had too many flaws. The fan base, while very upset, saw most of the issues as superficial and overall ignorable in the end. The SEQUELS, however, have issues that plague the entire story (e.g. senseless character actions, countless Chekov’s guns being primed without firing, etc. All things that are antithetical to good storytelling). Eventually, a line is crossed where something stops being a flawed product and becomes a total failure to be what it wanted to be.
@@TuesdaySFD lol didn't read no objectively in art
TIL there is a timeline with Freddy Krueger Han Solo... why can't I live in that one?
Respectfully I’m a black man and I’m a part of the Fandom Menace I grew up with Star Wars
and I was hurt when the series I grew up with was absolutely butchered by Kathleen Kennedy and how she was running Star Wars I hate identity politics and critical race theory they’re racist and I do agree with you with the harassment of Rose Tico was terrible and that was done by a bunch of idiots but the fact that you think the whole fandom is a bunch of old racist white dudes says more about you The Fanbase is made up of a diverse number of peoples who love Star Wars before Disney bought it and they’re angry about what it has become.
“I hate identity politics.”
Opens up with “I’m a black man AND I’m part of the fandom menace.”
Shut the fuck up dude lmao
@@Pigpen_YT what a racist
@@Pigpen_YT he was making the point that he wasn't some old white racist. He's not saying his opinion matters more, he's saying that the assessment that "the fandom menace is just a bunch of minority hating bigots" is wrong and citing himself as evidence.
@@Pigpen_YT Wow a bitter old white racist telling a black man to shut the fuck up. Aren’t you late for your cross burning?
@@theapexsurvivor9538 man's got a point
Billie Lourd as Rey would have been so good. Hope she gets a bigger role in the future
I’m willing to bet the the guy who started jediism did it as a tax dodge
I'm kind of glad you didn't do the title crawl because my ears almost got blasted just now
49:57 ive watched this video 10+ times now: everry time i hear this bit i get flashbacks to playing the lego star wars game. probably bc yoda and obiwan was the greatested team up in lego history.
PS2 Force Unleashed had ragdoll physics that were not present in other versions until the 360/PS3 release.
How are you liking Ahsoka are you and Sabine still married ?
It’s alright so far. And yes
The CN Clone Wars clips bring back sooo many memories of watching the episodes every week
1:59:06 Nobody expected Chris Pratt to replace Charles Martinet as Mario
The 501st in star wars canon: Daniel
The 501st irl: The cooler daniel.
This video reminded me of that time when my mom was in the hospital to give birth to my sister, and my dad came home with a chicken pot pie from KFC and gave me that Darth Maul cup.
At last your sister revealed herself to the Jedi.
its funny how every time you talk about people criticizing the sequels you use complete strawman arguments that people who dont like them dont even actually use
You got it dude. I really did say you can’t criticize the sequels. Strawman am I right?
@@Pigpen_YTsounding extremely petty about it kind of helps, its pathetic
@@nicolastolaba3446 no one likes the Star Wars sequels
You see to have the feelings of a 5 year old, I don’t get it. Can you grow some thicker skin already??you sound like a whiny baby lol ( ban me from the channel for “toxicity” idc)
@@jamesakrap3824prove it.
Man I'm still salty about how clone wars got cancelled especially after hearing all these ideas that would have been adapted in the series. I'll forever be thankful that we got a final season but I'd still would've loved to see these stories play out in the animated form.
The Son of Dathomir could've been cool to see before the Siege of Mandalore. That said, maybe we'll get Boba Fett vs Cad Bane on the Bad Batch?
49:17 - 49:22; The sequence mentioned here must've been cut late given it's a MASSIVE section of the Revenge of the Sith game. Likewise with Anakin killing Cin Drallig and Anakin killing Wat Tambor.
When he was talking about the 501st legion and said that the founders were “Albin Johnson and Tom Crews” I was hella confused and thought he was talking about Tom Cruise.
Question: why does Luke become briefly evil a lot in legends
Because the old EU continuity stretched on since 1978. In that time, thousands of writers, artists, editors, designers, creative heads, etc. came and went. Bringing their own new ideas, incomplete ideas, influences and ambitions to the series. There was just so much previous material, that it would be near impossible for a newer writer coming into the series to keep track of all of it, while still working on their other projects and trying to have some sort of personal/family life outside of work. And with "evil Luke" being such an intriguing idea, it's no wonder many writers would want to take a crack at it, not realizing that some 60 writers before them, someone already did through some Dark horse comic miniseries printed before they were born. And so it goes on.
8:36 you know you’d think the council would be concerned about 5 Jedi’s going missing but no they don’t
Toxic this toxic that. PEOPLE AND FANDOMS ARE TOXIC. Get over yourself! This """Iceberg""" would be a hell of a lot better if you'd shut the hell up about toxicity. Not everyone is nice, and everyone has opinions.
when you just kinda accept the way things are and don't wanna change things. lmao, dude I mention toxicity for a combined total of like 40 seconds in a two and a half hour video. If your dumbass is that triggered by that that says a lot more about you than it does me. Also idk what you mean by """"iceberg"""" that's literally what the video is. There's a difference between opinions and toxicity. Jesus christ I flat out say that in the video. Hell, I even say never let anyone make you feel like shit for liking something.
You either didn't watch the video or you were so triggered by 40 seconds of audio that your brain refused to listen. Grow the fuck up kid
@@TheQuirkyQuarian why would I want Fandom Menace viewers lmao. Ya’ll can fuck out of the fanbase for all I care. Also nice armchair diagnosis there lmao. If saying FM should fuck is proof I’m unstable then what does that say about right wingers bitching 24/7 about Disney and Brie Larson?
@@TheQuirkyQuarian my man look at your own content lmao. And I do blame it on the majority. I interact with these people constantly. Thrawn me-boy, if you do not care for the content and wanna guzzle down Quartering paste then go ahead. You're a pretty mediocre person so really there's no value lost if you decide to leave
@@Pigpen_YT Man you're so toxic...
Star Wars explained the best Star Wars channel ever
I'm beginning to think Pigpen might be soy
my man living in 2021 and still using words like soy
Wait wait wait wait youre telling me the 501st fan group was not named after the clone legion but the other way around???????
Mike zeraoh got the worst star wars videos.
He's got a lot of competition, but he's definitely a runner-up.
Listening to the Jedi archives part at 4 am outside got me so creeped out ngl
what do you mean youre not a criminal?… kind of suspect……
I hate the Star Wars sequels so damn much but that doesn’t mean I’m going to force my opinion onto others who don’t share it
this is literally all I ask for. I cannot stand the prequels but love the sequels. But I'm not going to act like my opinion is objective fact. Nobody should. Art is subjective
Based and redpilled
@@Pigpen_YT So The Room or Birdemic aren't objectively bad? They are just as good as Godfather or Terminator 2?
@@Сайтамен art is subjective. idk what you want me to say. There is no "objective" good in art. Hell, I find enjoyment out of The Room and Birdemic. I like them for what they are.
@@Pigpen_YT So there is no such thing as good or bad writing, acting, special effects, story? What's the point of art schools, academy awards, rating pages?
The last one was scarily too real. 2:32:39
Really like your content man but I feel the whole “fandom menace” PSA is contributing to the false perception that the Star Wars community is overrun with “racists and sexists”. Yes, people on the internet are mean sometimes but from what I’ve observed it’s a tiny minority being blown out of proportion and used to strawman people who take issue with the direction the franchise has taken. Instead of addressing the real issues this section of the community has there is a tendency to accuse them of being racists. I think everyone needs to be less hostile and realize that “toxic” people are the minority on all sides of the community.
the fandom menace are bad people and I'm gonna keep making fun of them
@@Pigpen_YTrather ironic
@@Pigpen_YTYou’re the bad person dude. Jackoff
Bro when the music started playing I got flashbacks of playing the force unleashed on ps3, miss those days
All the SWTOR music makes me want to load the game up for the first time in months, just to experience the ambience
"toxicity is not allowed" then leave
so leave
@@Pigpen_YT tbh your constant blind Disney sequel defense is quite toxic.
Toxic positivity is something I recommend you read up on
@@Chubby_Runs that's funny because you can find like a million comments from me on this video saying it's okay to not like stuff
@@CZPC I literally say it's okay to dislike the sequels. I even say it in this video. What are yout alking about? Sounds like you're just making shit up
I'm a legends fan myself. There are some canon things I like, but they're mostly things made by Favreau and/or Filoni, like the first two seasons of the Mandalorian for example. I personally hate the sequel trilogy, but don't let that stop you if you don't. I think one of the reasons people like me dislike canon is that Disney seemingly refuses to do anything with legends. It's clear they only made the distinction just so they could do whatever they wanted with the franchise. They're essentially alienating half the fanbase. In other words, they're wasting money. Think about it, do you know how much cash faithful film adaptations of legends content would make? You can still market the new stuff too, but everyone deserves to be happy. Heck, we don't even need movies (though they wouldn't hurt), just more content from that timeline. For example, a film trilogy depicting the Yuuhzon Vong war would be sick!
Imagine liking the sequels
Imagine getting so triggered someone likes a movie you don’t lmao
@@Pigpen_YT You made this video because you're triggered people don't like the sequels, lol...
@@Сайтамен Yes. I made an iceberg video because I'm mad some people don't like the sequels. I didn't make this because I love the franchise to death and have basically unofficially branded myself as an iceberg youtube channel as this is the fourth iceberg I've done.
My man do you have a brain?
@Don bro that comment wasn't even that toxic, sarcastic for sure, but toxic, not really
@Don the person I responded to posted like 20 comments on this video and like five of them are the same copy and pasted paragraph. I stand by what I said
*stops title crawl to prevent getting copyrighted*
*gets copyrighted anyway*
pain
Honestly I can somewhat get a religion following Jedi teaching like try to keep an open mind, attacks for defensive purposes, meditation, and if a person wants trying to live in a place with the bare minimum (A bed, a chair, and some books) so I can see the basic ideas in a religion but that's talking about the basic structure of the Jedi actually treating Star Wars as a religion seems weird to me
This might sound like me going "ackshually" but the goofy "He lost the Star Wars" line in the script wouldn't have made it into the final film in any capacity. Screenwriters often tend to make goofy comments or gestures in the script as a bit of an in-joke, for lack of a better term.
One of my favorite examples of this comes from Vincent Ward's scrapped Alien 3 script (The infamous Wooden Planet one), which reads as follows:
"ARCEON
Dwindles into the darkness behind her, a smouldering, slowly dying ember...
THE SCREEN GOES BLACK
END CREDITS ROLL...
Teenager in the back of the movie theater shouts,
"It's in the dog!""
While I disagree with some of your opinions I respect them
He doesn't respect yours though, I guarantee it.