Indeed, the man teaches with a passion that even many of his younger colleagues could be envious of. That's on top of the fact he's very good at explaining all these complicated ideas, he's clear, sticks to the point and gives many concrete examples.
STAND-OUT QUOTES: 02:46 DURING ENLIGHTENMENT ERA: 1. There are absolute Truths 2. Objective knowledge possible 3. Use reason based on experience 4. Key to make progress is by using Truths and Reason to therefore find objective knowledge 03:22 Postmodernists reject Truths, Objectivity, reason 19:24 Postmodernists say it is mistake to say we have direct access to our own mind. 20:40 PM call it DE-CENTERING. PM say “You are not at the center of your own mind” PM say “You don’t have direct knowledge of anything” * * * * PM DANGER * * * * PM say “Limits of language determine limits of our world” PM Caution: We are not at the center of that world. * * * * * * * * 24:08 We use ready made concepts generated from society. Concepts come from language. Language comes from society. 28:40 DIFFERENCES Differences allow to identify objects Language establishes a structure Language determines limits of our world Language presents differences 30:52 Structure only. Language cannot give what what an object physically is. 32:12 No difference between fiction and Non fiction. Language gives just a system of signs. Reporting vs. telling a story. No way to get at underlying world. 33:30 No Truths are absolute. Truths are just social constructions. 33:50 Objectivism is impossible. 34:06 Rejection of reason. Postmodern given: Reason is a tool of oppression 35:00 Expose the categories and power structures 37:12 Hypocritical: They use logical argumentation to defend Postmodernism Logic is a tool of oppression Language cannot determine what something is. .
I'm so interested in postmodernism so I took a course in it a year ago. Watching this 45 minute lecture while laying in bed sipping my morning coffee and taking notes made me realize that that course was a waste of time and energy lol. Amazing lecture, very clear and well prepared. Thank you for sharing it with us.
A great thing about Bonevac. He is a dynamic lectuerer "on a roll." But he can absorb questions and comments from his attentive audience without getting "derailed."
That's a very non-post-modern perspective. You don't know it's a clown. It could be a squeaky chair, it could be someone with a kazoo or an air horn, or it could be auditory hallucinations on your part. Who are you, hearing all of the clown noises?
When Daniel asked the question if there was anything that could get between you and yourself, I immediately thought consciousness itself. The structure of your mind is not significantly different if consciousness is absent for whatever reason. The parts of your mind that govern language, imagination, or abstraction could be firing on all pistons, but without a conscious awareness to make contact with that activity, it's just dark. Is that not a barrier between you and yourself? Well, I guess that hinges on whether or not you can be defined as yourself in the absence of consciousness, which is surely debatable, of course.
You are the story you tell yourself about how you fit into the world and society. Fitting into the world includes coming to grips with the fact that your particular embodiment/perspective is objectively verified "for all intents and purposes". Mind is a metaphor for the patterns in the brain and the distinction between mind and body is only in language and purpose, not in reality.
now I really wish I had visited philosophy courses in university - especially with a teacher like you. enjoyed every second of it, keep up the good work!
"No truths are absolute," would appear to be an absolute statement about truth. If there is no truth (about for example the way the world is), why speak about the world at all? Just celebration perhaps? Why assert and contest any statement if there is no truth to approximate? On the contrary, some descriptions of the way the world is, are more accurate and more robust than others. Thus compare the following accounts of what happened in Germany under Nazi rule: (α) ‘the country was depopulated’; (β) ‘millions of people died’; (γ) ‘millions of people were killed’; (δ)‘millions of people were massacred’. All four statements are true.But (δ) is not only the most evaluative," See The Possibility of Naturalism, 3rd edition, Bhaskar 1979 (1998) p.65.
Postmodernism to me seems like a great hypothesis with huge arguments going against it, but hypothesis just sounds so good that postmodern philosopher chooses to ignore those arguments and keep going as if they do not exist.
One of the causes of the philosophy of postmodernism was the dehumanisation of WWII. Thus the deconstruction of the meaning of texts 📚 is try to determine the effects of ideology (Derrida et al.) All statements in texts, thus, are caused by the nature of society.😎
I think the tragic decay of the Image of postmodernism underlies its inherent self-destructiveness. At its core its principles actually are very much permanently utilized even before it was outlined in the 60s and 70s. However, since even post-modernist themselves hold off the acknowledgment of any kind of progress through their critique by their own terms they sadly play to lose in a progress or just benefit oriented culture. For that reason, and i guess many others, postmodernists will only by ad hoc find any kind of agreement, which becomes evident considering any post-modern collective ever only agreed to disagree with what is currently understood as true. That means in the end, any postmodern thought is designed to implode as soon as it is understood or successfully communicated as that isnt something that should work by design. J. B. Peterson has some very fitting critique, saying you cant achieve anything or gain any motivational benefit to act live or create by undermining these concepts as tyrannical, specially since nobody really forces you to deal with society, only ourselves. (though he likes to make things big and gets a little far by demonizing pretty much the entire philosophical community after WW2)
Thank you for uploading these awesome lectures ! How passionately he speaks and how down-to-earth such complicated ideas are explained! I wish he was my professor.
Thank you for posting this lecture! You have saved my life! I have been trying to get my head around some of the more complex aspects about postmodernism and this has helped me a lot :)
Having all the notions, concepts and background presented at the the beginning of the lecture definitely improves the explanation of postmodernism, I was interested only in this topic but I think the other videos of the channel surely are as great as this one. Thanks for sharing all this material Prof. Bonevac.
You have provided something truly amazing with these lectures. Bravo! Helped me understand way more than the over-the-top communication of many philosophy people.
Finally a decent description. I swear asking a post modernist what post modernism is like asking a blind man what the color red looks like. How I can finally confidently dismiss postmodernism as the pseudo-intellectual nonsense that it truely is
Meant to just watch as much of this as needed for class...ended up watching the entire thing. This man is brilliant and engaging. That's a true artist...getting people to do things they weren't going to do in the first place and, after it is over, convincing them they wanted to do the thing of their own accord.
Watching this in 2020 and so very moved by how enjoyable and easy to understand this lecture is until I feel the urge to comment. Wish I could've been in this class! Thank you for sharing!
Thank you! Dr. Rick Roderick, d. 1997, & his teaching company 8 lectures, "Self Under Siege" especially the last lecture, is great on post-modern, too! I couldn't help but hear the Sophists, the Skeptics returning in these theories of structures, etc. The Platonic sky gods versus the sophist's earth giants, lol. A great lecture is Philosophy of science, Dr. Steven Goldman, Linus Pauling lecture available on TH-cam, "What Scientists Know, and How They Know it", for an enlightening romp through 2,400 years of history! Thank you again.
He's so mobile it is impossible to lose concentration in his class, even if you had three hours of sleep the night before, you'd still be wide awake listening to what he's saying.
I understand postmodernism much better now as I watch this interactive lecture.Clear,detailed and to the point whereas my local professor gives a lil fragmented and hurried lecture so I miss out on the fundamental points❤👏👏 what i love about this lecture is that you make learning more fun and less intimidating.
Guy has his delivery down pat. He's packing two lectures into one. I had to keep pausing to google some of this stuff and get back up to speed before continuing. Gotta LOVE TH-cam.
I know it this post is years old, but but this kiwi artist/farmer/engineer/pensioner is years old too, you gave the most succinct/lucid explanation of postmodernism that I've heard, thank you.
This is the only thorough but somewhat unbiased explanation of this subject I have ever seen on the internet. Thank you so much for uploading this lecture!
Great and enjoyable lecture , it surprised me how students started to collect their stuff as time was up, I would ask the professor to extend the class for more instead :)
A great lecture indeed: detailed, engaging and easily understandable. One thing which I would say - that too after listening people saying, if they’re postmodernist or not - that whether one believes in this philosophy or not, if one looks around, it is already there. People are psychologically postmodernists without even realising it. With all the information/information sources and versions of reality surrounding us, this philosophy is valid I believe, whether one choose to follow it or not. I still don’t think if I have the complete understanding of postmodernist philosophy, the more I read about it, the complex it gets and it has successfully dragged me into pessimism. If someone can help me get out of this pessimistic state of mind, I need your help!
The theorizing of the postmodernists makes me wonder about their mental stability. They say because something is not 100% perfect then it must be thrown out. But they offer no solutions or alternatives. Although the scientific method is not infallible it has proven to produce knowledge of practical use.
None of my favorite scientists (Dawkins, Harris, Shermer, Krauss, etc.) are fans of postmodernism. They see it as being at the heart of what is wrong with both current liberal thought and religiosity. The notion that there is no objective truth, that every individual's truth is equally as valid as everyone else's, has led to some strange places. I found it interesting when I first encountered in college, but also impenetrable and inexplicable to the point of craziness. Nevertheless, I am enjoying this lecture. This professor is talented at clarifying things as best he can and holding the attention of the class.
Awesome lecture! When I think of post-modernism I think of the musician Frank Zappa: a convention breaker, a mishmash of different genres orchestrated in his music, intellectual and isolated. His music, lyrics and approach to the music business itself was reactionary, satirical and he clearly encouraged his audience to think and rethink conventions and explanations of understanding. He hated the nature of the music business as it was then, back in the sixties as well as it is now. Was Frank Zappa's attitude of the music business itself done out of spite? Would this be a decent interpretation of Post-modernism?
You point out some salient traits of Zappa and some of them do overlap with Postmodernism. However, I doubt Zappa would consider himself such. It's helpful to think of Postmodernism as both a philosophy and creative aesthetic; Frank Zappa frequently used the aesthetic side (knowingly or not) in his music, but he was fairly outspoken on political matters and I believe much of what he believed was in contrast to postmodern philosophy itself.
Lucky to here on this lecture , I wasn't able to catch up properly because of covid crisis as normal classes wasn't possible.This topic was in my 3rdsem M.A course.
how refreshing to have a professor who is so passionate and engaged with the subject matter...these students are lucky.
Indeed, the man teaches with a passion that even many of his younger colleagues could be envious of. That's on top of the fact he's very good at explaining all these complicated ideas, he's clear, sticks to the point and gives many concrete examples.
Very enjoyable lecture - some oil needed on one of the chairs though!
hahahahahahahaha
I thought maybe a circus clown was taking the class . . .
This was AFTER I went around the room one Friday with a can of WD-40. Those chairs drove me crazy too!
STAND-OUT QUOTES:
02:46 DURING ENLIGHTENMENT ERA:
1. There are absolute Truths
2. Objective knowledge possible
3. Use reason based on experience
4. Key to make progress is by using Truths and Reason to therefore find objective knowledge
03:22 Postmodernists reject Truths, Objectivity, reason
19:24 Postmodernists say it is mistake to say we have direct access to our own mind.
20:40 PM call it DE-CENTERING.
PM say “You are not at the center of your own mind”
PM say “You don’t have direct knowledge of anything”
* * * * PM DANGER * * * *
PM say “Limits of language determine limits of our world”
PM Caution: We are not at the center of that world.
* * * * * * * *
24:08 We use ready made concepts generated from society. Concepts come from language. Language comes from society.
28:40 DIFFERENCES
Differences allow to identify objects
Language establishes a structure
Language determines limits of our world
Language presents differences
30:52 Structure only. Language cannot give what what an object physically is.
32:12 No difference between fiction and
Non fiction. Language gives just a system of signs. Reporting vs. telling a story.
No way to get at underlying world.
33:30 No Truths are absolute.
Truths are just social constructions.
33:50 Objectivism is impossible.
34:06 Rejection of reason. Postmodern given: Reason is a tool of oppression
35:00 Expose the categories and power structures
37:12 Hypocritical: They use logical argumentation to defend Postmodernism
Logic is a tool of oppression
Language cannot determine what something is.
.
This was really helpful.
Thank you
Better than GPT4
Fantastic. What a great educator. He truly connects with his audience without talking down to them.
are you insinuating that he knows what he’s talking about dave ?
I'm so interested in postmodernism so I took a course in it a year ago. Watching this 45 minute lecture while laying in bed sipping my morning coffee and taking notes made me realize that that course was a waste of time and energy lol. Amazing lecture, very clear and well prepared. Thank you for sharing it with us.
PM is literally self defeating. It's built entirely on things it claims impossible and biased.
"Society didn't gave you that" and it's over.
Talk about hand gestures. This guy gets a workout in a lecture.
Turns out the online lectures are way more helpful and easy to grasp than the ones I attend in my uni 😂😂😂😂
A great thing about Bonevac. He is a dynamic lectuerer "on a roll." But he can absorb questions and comments from his attentive audience without getting "derailed."
Who's the clown in the audience making all the honking noises?
That's a very non-post-modern perspective. You don't know it's a clown. It could be a squeaky chair, it could be someone with a kazoo or an air horn, or it could be auditory hallucinations on your part. Who are you, hearing all of the clown noises?
Your videos really make concepts easy to understand. Thank you.
When Daniel asked the question if there was anything that could get between you and yourself, I immediately thought consciousness itself. The structure of your mind is not significantly different if consciousness is absent for whatever reason. The parts of your mind that govern language, imagination, or abstraction could be firing on all pistons, but without a conscious awareness to make contact with that activity, it's just dark. Is that not a barrier between you and yourself? Well, I guess that hinges on whether or not you can be defined as yourself in the absence of consciousness, which is surely debatable, of course.
You are the story you tell yourself about how you fit into the world and society. Fitting into the world includes coming to grips with the fact that your particular embodiment/perspective is objectively verified "for all intents and purposes". Mind is a metaphor for the patterns in the brain and the distinction between mind and body is only in language and purpose, not in reality.
You are an outstanding lecturer, sir. Wish I had you as my professor during my University years.
Great lecture, very cool Professor!!
now I really wish I had visited philosophy courses in university - especially with a teacher like you. enjoyed every second of it, keep up the good work!
Damn, if everyone had profs like this, the college graduation rate would definitely be higher than90%
"No truths are absolute," would appear to be an absolute statement about truth. If there is no truth (about for example the way the world is), why speak about the world at all? Just celebration perhaps? Why assert and contest any statement if there is no truth to approximate? On the contrary, some descriptions of the way the world is, are more accurate and more robust than others. Thus compare the following accounts of what happened in Germany under Nazi rule: (α) ‘the country was depopulated’; (β) ‘millions of people died’; (γ) ‘millions of people were killed’; (δ)‘millions of people were massacred’. All four statements are true.But (δ) is not only the most evaluative," See The Possibility of Naturalism, 3rd edition, Bhaskar 1979 (1998) p.65.
This man is an inspiration... such vigor, intensity, and passion... beavo 👏
Mr Bonevac, you are an amazing teacher!
Great very neutral explanation of postmodernism. Reiterates my thought that postmodernism is a derivative of universal skepticism.
This is one of the most enthralling and comprehensive lectures I've ever attended. I wish I had someone like you to teach me such concepts.
God if you think this is good you should Listen to Jordan Petersons Lectures. They'll give you chills.
Daniel, your lecture been really helpful for me understanding postmodernism. Thank you!
Postmodernism to me seems like a great hypothesis with huge arguments going against it, but hypothesis just sounds so good that postmodern philosopher chooses to ignore those arguments and keep going as if they do not exist.
One of the causes of the philosophy of postmodernism was the dehumanisation of WWII. Thus the deconstruction of the meaning of texts 📚 is try to determine the effects of ideology (Derrida et al.) All statements in texts, thus, are caused by the nature of society.😎
I think the tragic decay of the Image of postmodernism underlies its inherent self-destructiveness. At its core its principles actually are very much permanently utilized even before it was outlined in the 60s and 70s. However, since even post-modernist themselves hold off the acknowledgment of any kind of progress through their critique by their own terms they sadly play to lose in a progress or just benefit oriented culture. For that reason, and i guess many others, postmodernists will only by ad hoc find any kind of agreement, which becomes evident considering any post-modern collective ever only agreed to disagree with what is currently understood as true.
That means in the end, any postmodern thought is designed to implode as soon as it is understood or successfully communicated as that isnt something that should work by design. J. B. Peterson has some very fitting critique, saying you cant achieve anything or gain any motivational benefit to act live or create by undermining these concepts as tyrannical, specially since nobody really forces you to deal with society, only ourselves. (though he likes to make things big and gets a little far by demonizing pretty much the entire philosophical community after WW2)
Thank you for uploading these awesome lectures ! How passionately he speaks and how down-to-earth such complicated ideas are explained! I wish he was my professor.
Thank you for posting this lecture! You have saved my life! I have been trying to get my head around some of the more complex aspects about postmodernism and this has helped me a lot :)
this lecture is so interesting. and helpful!! Thank you for putting these on youtube!!
Thank you for this fun lecture! I would take all your classes :-)
your lectures are such a huge blessing for me. thanks prof!!
Amazing class. Thanks, professor!
Having all the notions, concepts and background presented at the the beginning of the lecture definitely improves the explanation of postmodernism, I was interested only in this topic but I think the other videos of the channel surely are as great as this one. Thanks for sharing all this material Prof. Bonevac.
An amazing lecture! Thank you for sharing this.
Great energy and explainations. Very enjoyable and clear
Great lecture. Helped shift my internal narrative ;)
You have provided something truly amazing with these lectures. Bravo! Helped me understand way more than the over-the-top communication of many philosophy people.
Sir, I wish I had more professors like you. Congratulations 👏🏼
Finally a decent description. I swear asking a post modernist what post modernism is like asking a blind man what the color red looks like.
How I can finally confidently dismiss postmodernism as the pseudo-intellectual nonsense that it truely is
Such clarity and enthusiasm!
This is incredible! So grateful this is on TH-cam.
Meant to just watch as much of this as needed for class...ended up watching the entire thing. This man is brilliant and engaging. That's a true artist...getting people to do things they weren't going to do in the first place and, after it is over, convincing them they wanted to do the thing of their own accord.
Thank you for making your lectures accesible. They're very useful.
Watching this in 2020 and so very moved by how enjoyable and easy to understand this lecture is until I feel the urge to comment. Wish I could've been in this class! Thank you for sharing!
Prof Bonevac is among the most engaging intellects…guiding the learner to vistas in new understanding.
Well researched, well explained, exciting.
Thank you!
Dr. Rick Roderick, d. 1997, & his teaching company 8 lectures, "Self Under Siege" especially the last lecture, is great on post-modern, too!
I couldn't help but hear the Sophists, the Skeptics returning in these theories of structures, etc. The Platonic sky gods versus the sophist's earth giants, lol. A great lecture is Philosophy of science, Dr. Steven Goldman, Linus Pauling lecture available on TH-cam, "What Scientists Know, and How They Know it", for an enlightening romp through 2,400 years of history! Thank you again.
Thanks for sharing this, Daniel. Very enjoyable and understandable.
He's so mobile it is impossible to lose concentration in his class, even if you had three hours of sleep the night before, you'd still be wide awake listening to what he's saying.
This has been a great way to start my Sunday morning, amazing lecture thanks alot.
You are such a great teacher!
This was such an enjoyable and informative lecture! Thank you!
You absolutely blew my mind. Thank you for posting this.
Amazing way of delivering lecture. Very impressive indeed
Why are the students in such a hurry to leave.. I would be glued to that chair! Amazing teaching!
probably another class
I understand postmodernism much better now as I watch this interactive lecture.Clear,detailed and to the point whereas my local professor gives a lil fragmented and hurried lecture so I miss out on the fundamental points❤👏👏 what i love about this lecture is that you make learning more fun and less intimidating.
Really Professor, if only every online class was this good!
Thank you so much for a great lecture. This helped me enormously with the concept of Postmodernism.
Wonderful lecture! I very much enjoyed the passion and engagement.
Guy has his delivery down pat. He's packing two lectures into one. I had to keep pausing to google some of this stuff and get back up to speed before continuing. Gotta LOVE TH-cam.
very interactive lecture, that man has got great teaching skills
i didn't want this lecture to stop!!
Fantastic lecture!
His passion & pedagogy is inspiring
This is super, Daniel. Thanks for posting. I am going to get my students to watch this prior to the lecture I will be giving on representation.
what a great teacher!
I know it this post is years old, but but this kiwi artist/farmer/engineer/pensioner is years old too, you gave the most succinct/lucid explanation of postmodernism that I've heard, thank you.
Great Lecturer!
This is the only thorough but somewhat unbiased explanation of this subject I have ever seen on the internet. Thank you so much for uploading this lecture!
Do you mean it?
I haven't been able to wrap my head around this subject. Could this be the better chance?
Out of all the lectures available you blew it out the water!
amazing! it helped me a lot
thank you
You have a great channel, greetings from México!
This lecture got brought up in a recent livestream by RR. Good to see your analysis being one of the best sources to understand what this is :)
Great and enjoyable lecture , it surprised me how students started to collect their stuff as time was up, I would ask the professor to extend the class for more instead :)
Is Vaporwave post modernism or a deconstruction of post modernism? (weirdly enough, I'm not asking this ironically)
This was mind bending.
Clear explanation of a concept that I read about in a lot of Christian material. Thank you.
Great Teacher
Watching for the second time. Thank you!
A great lecture indeed: detailed, engaging and easily understandable. One thing which I would say - that too after listening people saying, if they’re postmodernist or not - that whether one believes in this philosophy or not, if one looks around, it is already there. People are psychologically postmodernists without even realising it. With all the information/information sources and versions of reality surrounding us, this philosophy is valid I believe, whether one choose to follow it or not.
I still don’t think if I have the complete understanding of postmodernist philosophy, the more I read about it, the complex it gets and it has successfully dragged me into pessimism. If someone can help me get out of this pessimistic state of mind, I need your help!
the pessimist way of life is the only true way believe me
Pessimism is a social construct, glad I could help bro ❤️
Refute it by using postmodernist thought and just change how you're reading the "texts".
You're decentered anyway :)
here's some help..it's bullshit, meirda de toro
So reasoning in favor of unreason is valid. Interesting thought. Invalid, but interesting.
awesome. I wish you have a download link of your notes, though.
The theorizing of the postmodernists makes me wonder about their mental stability. They say because something is not 100% perfect then it must be thrown out. But they offer no solutions or alternatives. Although the scientific method is not infallible it has proven to produce knowledge of practical use.
I love your enthusiasm
Great lecture. Ive become a post modernist myself. Living life's a breeze now that I know none of it's real.
Really enjoyed your lecture..Thank U!!:-)
Excellent lecture. Good job.
Great lecture ! Learned a lot. does anyone where we can find videos for lectures leading into this lecture ? Thanks in advance :)
What a great lecturer!
Great teacher. Thank you!
What's your hobby?
Postmodernist: Victimizing myself and others.
Good lecture!
fantastic lecture! thank you so much
The chairs...
Thanks for the lecture
You earned yourself a subscriber professor
thanks for the awesome video. I found it very interesting and helpful to me as an amateur reader.
Is there anyway I can have the slides?
None of my favorite scientists (Dawkins, Harris, Shermer, Krauss, etc.) are fans of postmodernism. They see it as being at the heart of what is wrong with both current liberal thought and religiosity. The notion that there is no objective truth, that every individual's truth is equally as valid as everyone else's, has led to some strange places. I found it interesting when I first encountered in college, but also impenetrable and inexplicable to the point of craziness. Nevertheless, I am enjoying this lecture. This professor is talented at clarifying things as best he can and holding the attention of the class.
Good lecture thanks Prof Daniel
This was really fun to watch
The ability to take things ironically both denies and implies that there is a way that they should be taken...
Awesome lecture! When I think of post-modernism I think of the musician Frank Zappa: a convention breaker, a mishmash of different genres orchestrated in his music, intellectual and isolated. His music, lyrics and approach to the music business itself was reactionary, satirical and he clearly encouraged his audience to think and rethink conventions and explanations of understanding. He hated the nature of the music business as it was then, back in the sixties as well as it is now. Was Frank Zappa's attitude of the music business itself done out of spite? Would this be a decent interpretation of Post-modernism?
You point out some salient traits of Zappa and some of them do overlap with Postmodernism. However, I doubt Zappa would consider himself such. It's helpful to think of Postmodernism as both a philosophy and creative aesthetic; Frank Zappa frequently used the aesthetic side (knowingly or not) in his music, but he was fairly outspoken on political matters and I believe much of what he believed was in contrast to postmodern philosophy itself.
Lucky to here on this lecture , I wasn't able to catch up properly because of covid crisis as normal classes wasn't possible.This topic was in my 3rdsem M.A course.
The definition of post-modernism wasn't unintelligible at all. At school, we had a word for it: "Mindf*cking"