I'm happy to see the Cubs get a "pitching guru," but it's frustrating at the same time. What this shows is the Cubs wanted to get this guy so they can continue to sign lower-tier pitchers and hopefully have this guy coach them up to be better instead of just paying more money and getting guys that are already good. More evidence of the Cubs being cheap.
I think that’s a pessimistic way of looking at it. I get it, but any time you have really good coaches, you help your entire organization. To me, this attracts higher quality pitchers
I get where you’re coming from but you take edge over your opponents whenever you can. If this guy can turn Keegan Thompson into Josh Hader I think we’d be clicking our heels like Santo on a sunny day.
@@SetupManCubs The Cubs don't have a problem attracting high quality pitchers as long as they're willing to pay them fairly, but we know they're not willing to pay as evidenced by them basically admitting they're completely out on Burnes and Snell this year. This is the same reason they wanted Counsell so bad. They saw him take a low payroll team like the Brewers and supposedly get the most out of them (which I don't think he did, but that's a different topic). They're trying to get "super coaches," for lack of a better term, and hope these coaches can extract maximum talent out of subpar players rather than spending the money necessary to just sign players that are already top tier and talented. If we were signing top tier guys AND also getting super coaches, I'd be much happier with the move, but I can see clearly what they're doing here.
I know it's beyond frustrating to see the Cubs act like a mid market team, but your choices are either accept hat this is who they operate or choose another team to cheer for. But before you jump ship, think about how often the Dodger way has truly worked for them. They were on the verge of firing their manager if they didn't win the whole thing this year and who knows how safe Roberts is even now. Sure, I want them to say "Damn the CBT!" but they clearly aren't going to do so. I just want those who are calling them cheap to explain why they think so without saying they shouldn't care about the CBT.
Because they could easily spend up-front, while cutting fat on the backend (like Belli) in order to make the numbers work. Soto isn't going to get his number up-front. No team will give him that. He'll have to take an Ohtani-structured deal. The Cubs could easily afford that, and Sasaki, as well as other upgrades. They just choose not to. Tom made it clear a season ago... he's fine spending just under the CBT, but that's it. The rest is up to Jed, and clearly Jed (like Theo) made some REALLY BAD financial decisions. Jason Heyward (Theo-era) wasn't necessary -- and was a sunk $185M. Brandon Morrow -- horrific decision. Craig Kimbrel, right decision / horrible timing, another nearly $50M lost. Then here comes Jed, numerous junk-vets given far too lucrative deals, yet let's cut Schwarber for cost. Or not resign Contreras at a time when they had NO catching depth (and still don't). Cubs didn't need a SS, we had one -- Hoerner. Hey, let's go sign Dansby Swanson for $177M, currently looking like another "all glove" sunk cost. It's not THAT they're not spending money, it's that when they do throw it around it's on the absolute WRONG guys, while penny-pinching on the sure bets, like Chapman in 2016-17, or Harper or Schwarber or Castellanos before he became a Red (not his Phillies-era) or Hader (who if they had they would've won the division) or Ohtani (also would've won the division)... and now they're out on Soto -- automatically. Yet you watch... they'll sink $200M into Santander, who will be hitting .216 w/ 18HR in September. They need to splurge on sure bet stars, and skimp & penny-pinch on the depth pieces so it evens out budget-wise (imho).
@@naturallawman2965 You lost it all at Schwarber, who has been great at one thing and a liability in every other facet of the game. And your explanation wasn't even that they are cheap. It was that they make bad decisions when they spend. Well, welcome to sports where if you're right on contracts 30% you're probably great. And let's not lose sight that Swanson by the numbers has had better years in terms of WAR than the other SS from his FA class while being less expensive and on the books for fewer years. I agree with the idea that the Cubs should be spending on guys with very proven track records. I'd offer Soto 16Y720M and not blink at it. If I had to pay 10M for each remain year of Bellinger and Happ (who I think is woefully underrated) to open up the 26-man slots and another 26M in CBT for to proverbial bag of balls, I probably would to also bring up at least on of the AAA OF to see what you have. I'd cover 3M of Nico's deal this year as insurance for time missed from offseason surgery to move on from him and let Shaw sink or swim. Then I'd offer Tanner Scott 5Y75M to shore up the pen and then see which starter from Seattle I could swing a deal for. If Seattle would take Bellinger, Hoerner, and the 13M for Castillo, the Cubs would be gaining about 4M in CBT and address he TOR pitcher need. I think if they went to Happ and told him they wanted to move him and hey had a deal lined up with KC, that Happ would agree to go as it's still fairly Midwest and KC isn't a crap team. Even covering 10M of Happ would open the money to get Scott and still have the money to make the offer to Soto and still be under the CBT.
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I'm happy to see the Cubs get a "pitching guru," but it's frustrating at the same time. What this shows is the Cubs wanted to get this guy so they can continue to sign lower-tier pitchers and hopefully have this guy coach them up to be better instead of just paying more money and getting guys that are already good. More evidence of the Cubs being cheap.
I think that’s a pessimistic way of looking at it. I get it, but any time you have really good coaches, you help your entire organization. To me, this attracts higher quality pitchers
I get where you’re coming from but you take edge over your opponents whenever you can. If this guy can turn Keegan Thompson into Josh Hader I think we’d be clicking our heels like Santo on a sunny day.
@@SetupManCubs The Cubs don't have a problem attracting high quality pitchers as long as they're willing to pay them fairly, but we know they're not willing to pay as evidenced by them basically admitting they're completely out on Burnes and Snell this year. This is the same reason they wanted Counsell so bad. They saw him take a low payroll team like the Brewers and supposedly get the most out of them (which I don't think he did, but that's a different topic). They're trying to get "super coaches," for lack of a better term, and hope these coaches can extract maximum talent out of subpar players rather than spending the money necessary to just sign players that are already top tier and talented. If we were signing top tier guys AND also getting super coaches, I'd be much happier with the move, but I can see clearly what they're doing here.
@@larryjankens8957 Yeah, nobody is turning Thompson into Hader.
Their rotation is one of the best in the majors
I know it's beyond frustrating to see the Cubs act like a mid market team, but your choices are either accept hat this is who they operate or choose another team to cheer for.
But before you jump ship, think about how often the Dodger way has truly worked for them. They were on the verge of firing their manager if they didn't win the whole thing this year and who knows how safe Roberts is even now.
Sure, I want them to say "Damn the CBT!" but they clearly aren't going to do so. I just want those who are calling them cheap to explain why they think so without saying they shouldn't care about the CBT.
Because they could easily spend up-front, while cutting fat on the backend (like Belli) in order to make the numbers work. Soto isn't going to get his number up-front. No team will give him that. He'll have to take an Ohtani-structured deal. The Cubs could easily afford that, and Sasaki, as well as other upgrades. They just choose not to. Tom made it clear a season ago... he's fine spending just under the CBT, but that's it. The rest is up to Jed, and clearly Jed (like Theo) made some REALLY BAD financial decisions. Jason Heyward (Theo-era) wasn't necessary -- and was a sunk $185M. Brandon Morrow -- horrific decision. Craig Kimbrel, right decision / horrible timing, another nearly $50M lost. Then here comes Jed, numerous junk-vets given far too lucrative deals, yet let's cut Schwarber for cost. Or not resign Contreras at a time when they had NO catching depth (and still don't). Cubs didn't need a SS, we had one -- Hoerner. Hey, let's go sign Dansby Swanson for $177M, currently looking like another "all glove" sunk cost.
It's not THAT they're not spending money, it's that when they do throw it around it's on the absolute WRONG guys, while penny-pinching on the sure bets, like Chapman in 2016-17, or Harper or Schwarber or Castellanos before he became a Red (not his Phillies-era) or Hader (who if they had they would've won the division) or Ohtani (also would've won the division)... and now they're out on Soto -- automatically. Yet you watch... they'll sink $200M into Santander, who will be hitting .216 w/ 18HR in September.
They need to splurge on sure bet stars, and skimp & penny-pinch on the depth pieces so it evens out budget-wise (imho).
@@naturallawman2965 You lost it all at Schwarber, who has been great at one thing and a liability in every other facet of the game.
And your explanation wasn't even that they are cheap. It was that they make bad decisions when they spend. Well, welcome to sports where if you're right on contracts 30% you're probably great. And let's not lose sight that Swanson by the numbers has had better years in terms of WAR than the other SS from his FA class while being less expensive and on the books for fewer years.
I agree with the idea that the Cubs should be spending on guys with very proven track records. I'd offer Soto 16Y720M and not blink at it. If I had to pay 10M for each remain year of Bellinger and Happ (who I think is woefully underrated) to open up the 26-man slots and another 26M in CBT for to proverbial bag of balls, I probably would to also bring up at least on of the AAA OF to see what you have. I'd cover 3M of Nico's deal this year as insurance for time missed from offseason surgery to move on from him and let Shaw sink or swim. Then I'd offer Tanner Scott 5Y75M to shore up the pen and then see which starter from Seattle I could swing a deal for. If Seattle would take Bellinger, Hoerner, and the 13M for Castillo, the Cubs would be gaining about 4M in CBT and address he TOR pitcher need. I think if they went to Happ and told him they wanted to move him and hey had a deal lined up with KC, that Happ would agree to go as it's still fairly Midwest and KC isn't a crap team. Even covering 10M of Happ would open the money to get Scott and still have the money to make the offer to Soto and still be under the CBT.
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The brand?
lol no.
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