Your commentary is clear and well written and you have a soothing voice I find listening to your video entertaining please more videos on Alpine linux I am running a instances in proxmox with xfce and loving It but no sure if it's ready for everyday use still learning all the commands.
I have a laptop for general use that ran Alpine + XFCE for a long time. I'm a terminal guy, but XFCE is a necessary prerequisite for daily use. The only issue I have with Alpine so far is that its driver support isn't great, and because it opts for Busybox and musl, it doesn't always produce the most optimized binaries. However, on older hardware, if you can find the drivers, it's an absolute treat. I definitely plan on making more videos in the future! I've got some other stuff going on at the moment, I'm just waiting for a topic strong enough to warrant a whole 10 minute summary. If you've got any suggestions, feel free to let me know!
I am currently using alpine on my tablets through a chroot in Termux. With a small window manager it makes a tiny desktop system. I think it is ready for a full desktop setup. I add bash to mine with the docs package and it feels very similar to a debian setup.
Pretty interesting. Found ya by accident, (I was trying to find a way to install alpine using u-boot for a arm Chromebook) and so far it seems that alpine was the right direction for me to go, cause that's ALL I want this Chromebook to do. Web browsing. But I didn't feel safe with an old version of chrome os. This was pretty informative. Thx
@@cineminttechtips regardless of which step you take, I'm sure it will be awesome. I installed alpine Linux and am using as my daily driver. I installed it on my desktop and can confirm that it works flawlessly.
I was involved with the Cub Linux for awhile, I even worked on minimal kernels, the system used less than 289 mb upon start up. Not bad for a mostly modern linux distro. But it was aimed and optimized towards being useful on the first Braswell powered HP streams. Something extremely limited. Windows 8.1 and 10 would just crawl on these things. Limited to 32gb of atorage and 2 gb of ram, it would be. But it was aimed at making them actually useful and familiar.
I am one of those who would love to see a fork of Chrome OS's Window manager on another distro like arch, alpine, debian etc to really allow for the under the hood linux native integration and tweaking that Chrome OS can't really provide
@@cineminttechtips Same. Other than the Chrome OS's fail of system file manager its not a bad setup to use and it scales well, runs on wayland for that buttery smooth preformance
My current issue with Alpine: if you have a netbook with no eth0 and only wlan0 - you're fuct. They NEED to include iwctl in the standard setup installer (Arch does it at least) 🤦
I tried alpine for a diskless cyber-cafe machine from around 2007. It worked very good until it lost the configuration of the APK cache and the lbu. It's been doing that and I don't know how to recover it. I used the xfce desktop but would be really interested in the wm/de less config.
My friend kudos to you for the among us vids on the background. Also how does Alpine compare to Peppermint Linux, which is another distro that I'm personally more interested in.
Hey! So, it looks like Peppermint is based on Debian and comes with the XFCE interface (my personal favorite) built in. I installed stock Debian on the laptop last night and ran some tests, and it seems to run HALF as fast in browser testing. Peppermint looks like a lot of fun (esp since Debian compatibility and XFCE support are features I like in a daily driver) but I probably wouldn’t use it as a daily on this laptop lol.
Like the video. I also love alpine linux.i currently use them on my tablets with termux to install a chroot. I use herbstluftwm and alpine extended on a vm on my desktop. Read up on the package manager and why it's so fast. I am trying to learn more about sort, any advice or videos I should be aware of? Really want to know what it takes to make a minimal xorg system.
If you REALLY want to make a minimal system, have you heard of the Linux from Scratch project? I'm not aware of any particular videos on it, but the Wiki does an amazing job of walking you through the creation of a distro. I can't think of another way to make a smaller system. I've also being doing some research into Unikernels, they show some promise for certain use case applications as well.
firefox is bad choice though. My laptop happen to be 2 Gb mem to. Trying alpine, I get surprise that it oli use about 150 mb with icewm. but become 600 more after install xfce or gnome/kde utility.
I really enjoyed the video. I'm installing alpine on a liberated chromebook spin 713. thinking sway, firefox or another browser. not sure. goal is max battery life.
I have a Dell Latitude 2110 that is currently running Lubuntu 22.04 on an Atom N450 and 2GB RAM, but user experience is sluggish partly due to the system running on an HDD. While the system can run better if I upgraded to an SSD, I could wipe/replace the drive and set up a dual-boot: Windows XP SP3 64-bit for driver installations and upgrades, compatibility, etc., and perhaps Alpine Linux with Opera and a text-based browser like Lynx, and tinywm. I'll probably experiment with tiling window managers like dwm and xmonad, but I think xmonad needs a bit more configuration and might not be the lightest. My next worry is detecting system hardware, which Ubuntu and similar Linux distros do well. How would Alpine detect hardware like the Wi-Fi card, etc.?
It greatly depends on the Wi-Fi card. I’ve had pretty mixed experiences. You may need to build the driver from source code yourself (as is the case with some older Broadcom adapters), but I’ve also had it work with Wi-Fi out of the box. Best case scenario is to have Ethernet handy and experiment.
I haven't expirimented with Puppy in a couple of years, but I'll do some research on it and how it's been doing over the past couple of years. Here's hoping it has a 32 bit candidate
Nice, where's the download link!. I have a few old boxes, this would be great, all I'd add is a terminal so I can telnet into even older boxes. I had a copy of cloudready running for ages, updates stopped but it didn't. It had issues with plugins/apps. All was good until I did a disk image and transferred it all (dual boot with Ubuntu) to a new drive, that borked cloudready. I did watch a vid on Alpine, but almost as soon as I saw text only, I bailed. Don't get me wrong, I can use the terminal, it's just 99% of the software I use is graphical - actually it's worse, most of that is Windows, so I'd need a desktop and Wine.... - or just use the box as a web terminal/cloudready - oh that's broken, lets try "Cinemint Tech Tips" version (ChromeOS is 64bit only), so setup script please.
Ahoy! If you're interested in the XFCE desktop (it's my favorite and a great place to start), the setup script is here : wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Xfce I don't have a setup script for what I did today, but many of the instructions in the Wiki above are super useful for learning how the system is put together.
You're right. It's more or less a bad habit, but fortunately in this context, they're mostly the same. Using proper technical vocabulary in realtime is one of my weakest points, and I work on a team by myself so I can usually get away with it lol
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Your commentary is clear and well written and you have a soothing voice I find listening to your video entertaining please more videos on Alpine linux I am running a instances in proxmox with xfce and loving It but no sure if it's ready for everyday use still learning all the commands.
I have a laptop for general use that ran Alpine + XFCE for a long time. I'm a terminal guy, but XFCE is a necessary prerequisite for daily use. The only issue I have with Alpine so far is that its driver support isn't great, and because it opts for Busybox and musl, it doesn't always produce the most optimized binaries. However, on older hardware, if you can find the drivers, it's an absolute treat.
I definitely plan on making more videos in the future! I've got some other stuff going on at the moment, I'm just waiting for a topic strong enough to warrant a whole 10 minute summary. If you've got any suggestions, feel free to let me know!
I am currently using alpine on my tablets through a chroot in Termux. With a small window manager it makes a tiny desktop system. I think it is ready for a full desktop setup. I add bash to mine with the docs package and it feels very similar to a debian setup.
@@scottb4029 I've done the same thing for fun, and it's incredible how much Termux can do
Pretty interesting. Found ya by accident,
(I was trying to find a way to install alpine using u-boot for a arm Chromebook) and so far it seems that alpine was the right direction for me to go, cause that's ALL I want this Chromebook to do. Web browsing. But I didn't feel safe with an old version of chrome os. This was pretty informative. Thx
Just stumbled upon this video...I am now a subscriber! I love the way you commentate..
Thanks! This video was a bit too rambly for my taste though, so I'm doing my best to remedy that in the newer ones
@@cineminttechtips regardless of which step you take, I'm sure it will be awesome. I installed alpine Linux and am using as my daily driver. I installed it on my desktop and can confirm that it works flawlessly.
I was involved with the Cub Linux for awhile, I even worked on minimal kernels, the system used less than 289 mb upon start up. Not bad for a mostly modern linux distro. But it was aimed and optimized towards being useful on the first Braswell powered HP streams. Something extremely limited. Windows 8.1 and 10 would just crawl on these things. Limited to 32gb of atorage and 2 gb of ram, it would be. But it was aimed at making them actually useful and familiar.
I wish a modern fork of "cub linux" would come out. It was a pretty nice distro
I am one of those who would love to see a fork of Chrome OS's Window manager on another distro like arch, alpine, debian etc to really allow for the under the hood linux native integration and tweaking that Chrome OS can't really provide
I agree with you on this - I’m secretly a big fan of Chrome OS’s window manager
@@cineminttechtips Same. Other than the Chrome OS's fail of system file manager its not a bad setup to use and it scales well, runs on wayland for that buttery smooth preformance
I configure zRAM on my low end systems as its faster then default swap space saving to a slow hard drive
That's a good idea!
Gotta install Gentoo on this laptop
Nice stuff mate.
My current issue with Alpine: if you have a netbook with no eth0 and only wlan0 - you're fuct.
They NEED to include iwctl in the standard setup installer (Arch does it at least) 🤦
mannn you are so underrated, you deserve more, dropping a sub
I tried alpine for a diskless cyber-cafe machine from around 2007. It worked very good until it lost the configuration of the APK cache and the lbu. It's been doing that and I don't know how to recover it. I used the xfce desktop but would be really interested in the wm/de less config.
My friend kudos to you for the among us vids on the background. Also how does Alpine compare to Peppermint Linux, which is another distro that I'm personally more interested in.
Hey! So, it looks like Peppermint is based on Debian and comes with the XFCE interface (my personal favorite) built in. I installed stock Debian on the laptop last night and ran some tests, and it seems to run HALF as fast in browser testing.
Peppermint looks like a lot of fun (esp since Debian compatibility and XFCE support are features I like in a daily driver) but I probably wouldn’t use it as a daily on this laptop lol.
Look into the Ratpoisen desktop
Like the video. I also love alpine linux.i currently use them on my tablets with termux to install a chroot. I use herbstluftwm and alpine extended on a vm on my desktop. Read up on the package manager and why it's so fast. I am trying to learn more about sort, any advice or videos I should be aware of? Really want to know what it takes to make a minimal xorg system.
If you REALLY want to make a minimal system, have you heard of the Linux from Scratch project? I'm not aware of any particular videos on it, but the Wiki does an amazing job of walking you through the creation of a distro. I can't think of another way to make a smaller system. I've also being doing some research into Unikernels, they show some promise for certain use case applications as well.
@@cineminttechtips yep, sure have. I am currently slogging my way through it. You are right it does a great job of taking you the Linux OS.
On my work pc i run xmonad on top of plasma on manjaro
firefox is bad choice though. My laptop happen to be 2 Gb mem to. Trying alpine, I get surprise that it oli use about 150 mb with icewm. but become 600 more after install xfce or gnome/kde utility.
Gnome is extremely heavy. Even XFCE is very heavy. You'll definitely need to stick with what you've got if you want to stay efficient.
@@cineminttechtips yes.
I'm curious if surf would work? I dunno if it's efficient though.
@@blufudgecrispyrice8528 If you want efficient linux, try void linux musl version.
I really enjoyed the video. I'm installing alpine on a liberated chromebook spin 713. thinking sway, firefox or another browser. not sure. goal is max battery life.
I have a Dell Latitude 2110 that is currently running Lubuntu 22.04 on an Atom N450 and 2GB RAM, but user experience is sluggish partly due to the system running on an HDD.
While the system can run better if I upgraded to an SSD, I could wipe/replace the drive and set up a dual-boot: Windows XP SP3 64-bit for driver installations and upgrades, compatibility, etc., and perhaps Alpine Linux with Opera and a text-based browser like Lynx, and tinywm. I'll probably experiment with tiling window managers like dwm and xmonad, but I think xmonad needs a bit more configuration and might not be the lightest.
My next worry is detecting system hardware, which Ubuntu and similar Linux distros do well. How would Alpine detect hardware like the Wi-Fi card, etc.?
It greatly depends on the Wi-Fi card. I’ve had pretty mixed experiences. You may need to build the driver from source code yourself (as is the case with some older Broadcom adapters), but I’ve also had it work with Wi-Fi out of the box. Best case scenario is to have Ethernet handy and experiment.
Try archcraft, beautiful, sleek, runs on almost 500 mb ram idle, just give it a try maybe 🙂
No, just no
but why would I install Archcraft if I could install Minecraft
@@cinemint lol
have you tried WattOS
I will now
Have you considered puppy linux?
I haven't expirimented with Puppy in a couple of years, but I'll do some research on it and how it's been doing over the past couple of years. Here's hoping it has a 32 bit candidate
Nice, where's the download link!. I have a few old boxes, this would be great, all I'd add is a terminal so I can telnet into even older boxes.
I had a copy of cloudready running for ages, updates stopped but it didn't. It had issues with plugins/apps. All was good until I did a disk image and transferred it all (dual boot with Ubuntu) to a new drive, that borked cloudready.
I did watch a vid on Alpine, but almost as soon as I saw text only, I bailed.
Don't get me wrong, I can use the terminal, it's just 99% of the software I use is graphical - actually it's worse, most of that is Windows, so I'd need a desktop and Wine.... - or just use the box as a web terminal/cloudready - oh that's broken, lets try "Cinemint Tech Tips" version (ChromeOS is 64bit only), so setup script please.
Ahoy! If you're interested in the XFCE desktop (it's my favorite and a great place to start), the setup script is here :
wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Xfce
I don't have a setup script for what I did today, but many of the instructions in the Wiki above are super useful for learning how the system is put together.
dwm & qute maybe 🤔
I need to try that - Imagine how much RAM it might save
Dietpi i like so much it's Debian with a lot of script for ton of software Easy tò install. I Try alpine soon as i can on VM. Bye
Wish your lips moved a little. Good video anyway.
Just be glad I'm not doing that super cursed thing where I superimpose real lips on top, like cartoons from the 1960's lol
You have used "internet" and "web" interchangeably in the video, which is very incorrect for a software engineer and a linuxer at least.
You're right. It's more or less a bad habit, but fortunately in this context, they're mostly the same. Using proper technical vocabulary in realtime is one of my weakest points, and I work on a team by myself so I can usually get away with it lol