It's true Seattle is more of a baseball town than it gets credit for. Over the years I've seen the Kingdome and Safeco/T-Mobile packed with fans, most of the time knowing that it was yet another losing season. The fans show up, but ownership never steps up. It is frustrating for the players and the fans alike.
That is ULTIMATELY the problem...the fans come out and help this team pull a profit regardless of putting out a winning product. Julio is a marketer's dream and is going to pack the seats.
Going to safeco and sitting with the fans you really notice that practically nobody attending the game even knows what’s happening on the field. It’s not a real fan base.
Seattle gets generally great attendances in all of the major sports. They love it up there in the PNW. Thankfully for those supporters both the Sounders & the Kraken have done a better job of being competitive early than the long suffering Mariners fans. Even the Seahawks (in an era before free agency in the NFL) set records for becoming competitive for an expansion team & were a lot of fun in the 80s & (after a 90s lull) had & acheived the highest of asperations. Mariners fans have every right to be seething atm.
From 1994-2003, the Mariners won 55% of their games. They did not win a World Series; they didn't even get into one (still the ONLY MLB team to never appear in one).... At least there's guys like Divish around to help keep Mariners fans sane.... Thanks!
I'm a Phillies fan, but I have a big soft spot for the Mariners from living in the PNW. Their fans are super cool and really passionate about the team, they deserve so much better. The "you should be happy with winning 54% of games" thing is bullshit, if you feel that way you should own a team at all. Like does nobody in the orginzation understand how much more money they'd make if the Mariners got a deep post season run, or even a World Series win? Kinda hoping this causes such a PR nightmare that real changes do happen.
Thats the infuriating part. Like honestly the 54% thing doesn’t bug me that much. But preaching “patience” and saying “fans owe them a favor” made my jaw drop. Like you have made the playoffs once in eight years. Lol
O's have had like 4 #1 draft picks and Jackson Holiday is going 2 be an elite player !! They are building a legacy if they can manage it !! The talent is there !! Its scary how good this team could be !! With M's u r right !! They should be better and expect greatness !! Fans have had more than enough patience !! I think a player like Ohtani could be a great fit!!
No, they could ask there fans for a rebuild because they have some World Series appearances and successes for their fan base to reminisce ABOUT… Meanwhile in the Emerald City, the people who exercise patience are wondering if the yet to be named expansion Franchise(s) will beat the M’s at securing a League Pennant b4 this franchise does!?!?!!???!!! It’s a reasonable conjecture given their LOVE affair with “O and Counting!!!” When it comes to riding the futility horse. 😢😢😅
Yeah, this was a side of Dipotto we saw a lot in Anaheim (though he wasn't really THE problem), glad others are seeing what we saw; it's been confusing hearing others praise him without mentioning his disconnections and, well, kind of arrogance.
I refer to Jerry as Jerry "Next Year" Dipoto because, at the end of the season, he always says "Next Year". The problem is that Seattle fans, for some reason are so enamored by this guy. He does not deliver. He does not believe in free agency unless he is a "bargain" player. What I mean by bargain player is one that Jerry hopes will return to a past performance. An example: When he picked up Kolten Wong he was hoping he would return to his form from two years past. Jerry does not go for bonafide players. I do not know if this is because he isn't given the money or he is restricted to certain players from higher up. However, for the past two years, he said he had money to use at the trade deadline and yet doesn't use it. I am 64 years old, I have been waiting since 1977, and I am thinking at this point I will die from old age before we see a World Series. I wish that everybody from Scott Servais on up would go away. Based on what Jerry said he contradicted what he said earlier in the year about being competitive for Shohei Ohtani. Even if we did get Ohtani that will tie up money for years to come. No, I don't believe that Cal Raleigh decided on his own to apologize. He was told to apologize. If I was a player for Seattle I wouldn't want to stay with this team. If Julio Rodriquez has any opt-outs he should use them to get a ring or two, he won't get it with Seattle. These are just two players the Mariners choked. I am sure that George Kirby was also forced to apologize, another player was choked by the team. Why do I say they were choked. Simple, I served in the Military and fought for people's rights and if they were forced to apologize their right to freedom of speech was stripped from them. I will no longer support the Mariners until they can show they can deliver for the fans and care about the fans.
What was most frustrating was that, when they saw that Wong, Pollack and LaStella were not working out, they waited until the trade deadline to do something about the situation.
Until the fans stop going to the games, the Mariners will never fix anything. Please sell this team to someone that gives a shit. Front office has been the worst in baseball for decades.
John Stanton should have been the one on camera speaking the truth, instead of making Jerry make excuses for him. If Jerry and Scott leave, someone else will just have to put up with what little Stanton will give them.
I’m there with you. As a fan since 1995 and having spent the last several years spending $800-$1200 per year on Mariners trips and tickets, I’m done. If you want to see an inspiring end-of-year address from a GM, go watch/read Ben Charrington’s for the Pirates.
We moved to Seattle from a small town in Oregon in 78. My parents took me to my first game and I'll never forget my first home run. Became a Mariner for life. Five playoff appearances. Five. Sure we saved baseball in our first one. Sure we had the magical 2001 season but had I known the heartbreak of the next four decades....
Seems like the front office is content with putting a competitive team on the field maybe make the playoffs or fall short of that but just win enough to put butts in the seats and buying Mariner hats , the team is making a profit and that's all they are interested in.
The Mariners broadcast in all of Washington, all of Idaho, half of Oregon, half of British Columbia and all of Alaska. If they’re a small-market team, then someone seriously screwed up on the media deals!
It's wild to me to think that a majority of the players that we've either cut or traded are in the playoffs now - Sewald/Ari - Wong/Dodgers - Frazier/Orioles - Santana/Brewers etc. yet when we brought back JK we did the same thing from before his injury when he was on the roster and that's LOSE!!!!! I've been saying this since forever DON'T FIX WHAT AIN'T BROKEN! after the trade deadline we had a huge turnaround and were in line to win our first division title in decades. Look at the Yankees last year before the trade deadline, they were dominating the American League but when they tried to trade for a pitcher they broke what was already the best team in the league and eventually ended up getting swept in the postseason. Rojas' interview when acquired was him saying that he's so thankful and grateful to be on a team that's a contender and now his former club just advanced to the divisional round..... It's crazy to me to notice that we absolutely suck when JK is on the roster, and regardless of how people assume that we're better with him in the lineup, when he scrubbed the Mariners from his social's because he got sent down again is why I don't think he's a team player especially when he broke his foot because of his childish antics when struggling at the plate, he's had a solid two weeks in the bigs and that's it, the only good thing about the trade that involved him was dumping Cano's contract other than that, we've wasted too much time on him to become something he's not. Regardless of all of that, Let's Go Mariners 🔱🔱🔱
I'm over the Geno project at 3rd. I'm over the Ty France project, he hasn't been the same since he almost got his arm ripped off in San Diego last year AND he's slow af (i'm 36 and fat and I'm pretty sure I can outrun Ty France), I'm over whoever we decide to throw in at 2nd base and I'm most certainly over the Dipoto/Servais bromance. We've been an 85-90 win team the past 3 seasons. We hit our ceiling. It's time for change. I wish Paul Allen was still alive (RIP) and had a love for baseball and owned the Mariners. That is one owner that EVERY team and fan should want. Not afraid to spend money and put his faith in management to put together winning teams in whatever sport it was. John Stanton only cares about the almighty dollar.
I like Gino and Ty. But most likely they are past their prime. Look at their stats. Down every year last three years. Who do you replace them with? Maybe Tyler Locklear at 1b. There really aren’t any free agents out there.
1. If this was a publicly traded company (and I have been a senior executive/SVP in several Fortune 100 companies in my former business career) Dipoto's employment would have been terminated before he returned to his office. Dipoto MUST BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY. Why? 2. A senior executive with a public facing role in an organization MUST be held to a higher standard. Dipoto has caused IRREPARABLE HARM to the franchise, the game, the current players, prospective players (including potential international acquisitions), the fans - the entire stakeholder community. This is not a situation that can be adequately addressed by apologies, explanations, time, or any similar sort of nuance. This situation is unequivocally not a "snafu" that can be addressed by some PR stunt, or an after the fact explanation or apology. Mariners ownership - that publicly states is an organization that cherishes accountability and integrity must now ACT upon what these standards require: "You're done. Thanks for assembling a core of players for us." 3. Dipoto has caused irreparable harm that will endure - at least for a decade. The harm includes the integrity of the franchise, trust from the fan base, confidence in the executive management currently guiding the team, and the MLB universe. He embarrassed and shamed his employer, the fans, the players etc.. Trust, confidence, hope and integrity are fragile. They take years to establish and moments to destroy. Jerry Dipoto destroyed just that...right when the franchise requires just that. 4. We've heard Jerry's mantra now for 8 years. He has had a number of snafus regarding "human relations" in his tenure. The price to pay is termination...immediate termination. You simply cannot allow somebody in your executive team to behave the way he has. "Finish the job?" NO WAY do we trust Jerry (and Justin) to do that. His failures the last 2 years to add essential talent at the trade deadline, are, at his own admission, "my fault." Well, after his public presser this week, as Chuck said, "there will be a price to pay." That 'price' is well beyond the boundaries of the outrage he has spawned and received from fans, local, national and international media, etc. He MUST be terminated by 5pm Friday October 6, 2023. 5. It's not just the tradeline miscues. This is the guy who decided we needed Dominic Leone, Flexen, LaStella, Pollock, Wong etc...the list goes on and on. Honestly, he rationalized and "sold" the fan base that his acquisitions were "difference makers" to productively supplement the existing roster. He failed. 6. Imagine how the current players feel about this guy? (It was not swell to begin with). What about prospective talent (in the minors, the draft, free agency, trades and international talent) the franchise desires to pursue in the near term and the future? Imagine what agents are telling their MLB clients today about the Seattle Mariners? Inspiration, motivation and trust have been deeply and irreparably damaged by this guy. You simply cannot "blow this off" and allow those angered by his statements this week to "cool off." NOPE! There are consequences for the depth and breadth of the damage this executive has rained on our team, the fan base, the region, current and prospective players, the current coaching staff, and the game. 7. Jerry is done in Seattle. The "NO CONFIDENCE" vote is in; He's out! Terminating Jerry tomorrow will likely include Hollander and Servais - as these guys seem to roll as a package deal. We're good with that! THIS is the action the Seattle Mariners must now complete. If you desire accountability and integrity as an organization - this is what you MUST DO NOW! Unfortunately (or fortunately) the opportunity has unfolded to take this essential action now. Well, the Wall Street Journal's Scott Patterson wrote a book a decade ago entitled, "THE QUANTS - How a New Breed of Math Whizzes Conquered Wall Street and Nearly Destroyed It." Patterson states his case bluntly: "In other words, there is no single truth in the chaotic world of finance, where panics, manias, and chaotic crowd behavior can overwhelm all expectations of rationality. Models designed on the premise that the market is predictable and rational are doomed to fail. When hundreds of billions of highly leveraged dollars are riding on those models, catastrophe is looming." (P. 294). "To quants, unprecedented is perhaps the dirtiest word in the English language. Their models are by necessity backward-looking, based on decades of data about how markets operate in all kinds of conditions. When something is unprecedented, it falls outside the parameters of the models. In other words, the models don't work anymore." (Pp. 271-272). Jerry and Justin and Servais are representative of the Quants that now inhabit baseball. These guys are not qualified to move this franchise to the stated destination they have touted for 8 VERY LONG years. What Dipoto destroyed in 75 minutes this week (including his pathetic responses to the "softball" questions lobbed by Brock and Salk this morning) cannot be restored by him or with him as part of this franchise. He MUST be replaced. NOW. The "opportunity" is now squarely in front of the ownership group of the Seattle Mariners. John Stanton must also be removed from his current position as the Managing General Partner for the Mariners ownership group - and replaced with somebody who has a spine - versus the coward that Stanton has demonstrated he is. We don't want an interview with John Stanton. We want him gone - along with the other three knuckleheads. Dipoto has firmly disqualified himself, and those associated closely with him (Hollander and Servais and Stanton) from handling the helm of the good ship Mariner any longer. He has irreparably disparaged the current crew and their families, along with those cheering the voyage onward. The integrity of the hull is now legitimately questionable after running into this week's reef. The mutiny he has inspired is not reversible. When sports media in Mexico is laughing at Jerry Dipoto, it's over. Imagine what they are saying in Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Republica de Dominica, Venezuela, Argentina, Columbia, Japan, Europe - Jerry's idiocy is ricocheting around the globe. It's time to re-engineer, reorganize and replace the current executive management of the Seattle Mariners. The only way out of this mess is for the admirals to make the decision that Dipoto et al have earned their opportunity to "walk the plank" - so others who are vastly more experienced and astute may guide this ship off the reef this guy has so irretrievably and precariously positioned this franchise on. Finish the job? That's exactly what the Seattle Mariners ownership group must do by Friday October 6, 2023 by 5:00pm. This is NOT difficult. It is obvious and fundamentally essential what action must be taken at this time. NOW!
The M’s were 2 games away from winning the division. Two players failed to perform in the last 7 games of the season. Luis Castillo lost 2 games by pitching poorly and Julio Rodriguez went 1-24 down in the last series.
If they had addressed the DH and 2nd base issue in the offseason those players could have been resting that last series.... don't blame this on 2 of our best players
@@tylermarley9159 Players don’t get a pass on this especially the 2 stars who did not play to their potential. Luis Castillo was crucial in those two losses and Julio went 1-24 down in the last series. Julio had only 3 RBI’s in the last 10 crucial games of the year. Julio was the spark in August, but fell flat in September.
Jerry Dipoto couldn't be more clueless. The team took a step forward this year? Only an idiot would buy that. It's pretty simple, Jerry -- you made the post season last year and you failed to make it this year. That would be a step backward. Think about it just a little bit and you'll get it.
My 'bitch' once it became apparent, is Jerry stacked this team with too many HR/Strikeout types. We almost always left more on base every game. No matter what he claims, that is not a step forward. His off-season moves last year are no longer on the team. He never admits things like that!
@@coachmullen1If all you look at is sabermetric stats (which arguably have their uses but shouldn’t be all you look at) then you will lean towards power hitting and power pitching because most efficiency metrics would favor those kinds of hitters and pitchers. You still need to develop a complete, functional, well rounded roster.
And I gotta say it, this is Jerry's what eighth year here and we have one wildcard to show for it, he was at the Angels what did he do, one post season appearance with the best baseball player in the world at the time. He needs to start putting up our shut up, next year is it. I find Jerry one more chance to do what he says he was going to do for this franchise or myself and many many other fans are out. I hear talks already of not going to Gabe's next year. This team is fattening their pockets and doing just enough to stay relevant. When you lose more games then the previous 2 yrs and you miss the playoffs for the 21st time in 22 yrs then you failed. Simple as that
To be fair, they were a few well placed games away from being a lower playoff team three straight seasons. They were in the mix, but only made it the one time. The guys before DiPoto arguably didn’t get even that far that often. But unless there’s a massive improvement with the players we have or DiPoto makes a few big moves, what team we’ve seen him make in Seattle is probably as good as he’ll ever construct.
The fans do their part and are top ten in attendance. So much for small market team. It’s all on ownership. Then there is this. The estimated valuation of the Seattle Mariners franchise in 2023 is $2.2 billion. This according to Forbes, who released their annual MLB team valuations list in March 2023. The Mariners' valuation represents a 29% increase from the previous year, the largest year-over-year leap in value of any MLB club.
As someone who lives in Seattle...the fanbase isn't going insane, they're doing the same thing they do every year...shrugging and moving on to football season. This franchise is and has been built around having 1-2 likeable superstars to attract families. It's a steady but very casual fanbase. They don't expect to win a World Series, they don't demand better, and the ownership and front office certainly don't either.
that's so interesting i also live in seattle and most of the Ms fans i've met are pretty diehard and make nihilistic jokes about it as a coping mechanism but are in general deeply invested in the team and it's players but are frustrated with how the team and ownership keep floundering... this being said i come from a big baseball family so it might be a bit biased but while there are a good amount of casual fans i have met a TON of diehards as well and had really good conversations with them about the team
@@izzykwoka2379There are levels to it...I grew up a Mets fan in New York and the fanbase is very similar to the Ms in some ways. Mets fans are more vocal, but ultimately don't expect to win and don't demand change. The '69 and '86 championships are two of the most unlikely in sports history and continue to shape the culture surrounding the team. The Yankees however...the fanbase investment and demands are so extreme they're almost comical. Boston and Philly are this way too, although not to that extent. Even if the Yanks haven't won a title in almost 15 years and Hal is not like George, they demand a certain level of performance and the fans do too. It's been enough to keep them over .500 for the last 30 years, regardless of payroll.
Honestly the scene is set perfectly for an Ohtani signing but ownership will more than likely pass on him or offer a short term high annual average deal. Picture a full time DH for 2024 on a team in dire need of more offense. In 1 calendar year he also becomes a SP (possibly) again maybe with a lighter pitching schedule which also allows them to pivot and trade either of their young arms in Woo or Miller this offseason for even more offensive help. Robbie Ray will be back maybe mid or late 2024 for rotation help. It is a perfect scenario right in the prime of this young team competing for the playoffs year over year. Your move Mariners ownership. Do what needs to be done and spark a fire into this organization that the time is now.
I hate that he got hurt because he is the most talented baseball player to ever live but I’m almost happy he did get hurt because there’s even less of an excuse for us to not get him bundle Robbie Ray with Harry Ford as much as I love him if that’s enough get out of that money and spend that money on fucking Shohei technically we shouldn’t need Harry Ford since we have big dumper
@@gpiano88 They were finalists (out of 3 teams) the first time around and they are situated for potential future playoff runs. Their roster also is a perfect fit for Ohtani and he meets their needs. The Angels sit as a mess of an organization and my guess is they have no shot this offseason at resigning him. Moreno will throw money at him sure but I think he will be looking for a stable environment where there is a winning culture (or seeds of one) and playoff races are in the cards.
The thing is, none of this matters a tinker's cuss. Next year the stands will be filled with paying customers, and the Mariners will continue to turn a profit. That's ALL the ownership cares about.
White Sox fan here first, but i LOVE the Mariners. Some unfortunate similarities with my hometown Sox and my adopted Mariners... risk adverse and resting on laurels 🤔
As a Mariner fan since 1982 I knew this season was going to be disappointment from last year. My friend said in 1998 when Randy Johnson was traded that the Mariners will never be a successful franchise due to ownership. I was in denial at the time but looking back the song remains the same. I kind of miss the years pre Nintendo when cheap ass owner George Argyros was the man. Nowadays you can’t really pinpoint one individual for this ownership. I have no confidence with this franchise.
They are NOT throwing the bag at Ohtani. No chance. There is NO reason for them to have a lower payroll than they did 7 years ago. Two years in a row they have had Carlos Santana and Mike Ford as DH. Or throw in Dylan Moore or Sam Haggerty. Give me a break. GET A DAMN DH THAT CAN HIT!!!! He is a designated HITTER. Thus....should be good HITTERS!!!!!!
Jerry was notoriously known for making more trades than any other GM. Then 2023 came. After we lost Ray and Marco early, and Wong didn’t pan out he still did nothing other than call up guys that needed another year to develop. Then the ONLY “big move” he made was give up Sewald for a couple of C rated players a day before the deadline. that was really it. We’re tired of watching Houston take the West. Either spend $$,(you have it!) lose your job or lose fans.
It certainly would not be as simple as replacing Dipoto. With this front office whoever you bring in is going to face the same restrictions that Dipoto has had to deal with.
They could end up with a much worse situation. Watch the Astros documentary. A bunch of ruthless suits took over and fired a lot of people. This lead to a cheating scandal.
Stuck in the mud what in hell is that about. Isn't the goal of every team is to go to the world series? If that is not goal then why play? For crying out I have been a Mariner fan since 1977. I followed the team when it took 16 years to finish the season above .500. I watched Lou, Junior, A Rod , Tino, and The Big Unit come and leave because the ownership wasn't totally committed to winning the AL pennant. Last season I was tickled to death the Mariners played in the playoffs. I was excited that they would add some players so they would make a series run, but no they stood pat and regressed. Wild card Berths are nice, but division titles and AL titles are better. Hell WW 3 could break out anytime soon and we may never see the Mariners in the world series.
Dipoto seems arrogant. On behalf of Stanton. Smfh. So fuckin out of touch. Keep us holding on just enough to hope for a playoff spot while not actually planning on trying to win
JP played amazing, was a leader and has clutch. Julio flopped, he swings and misses 75% of games. His Sept was bad and he was a wasted line up spot in these last 10 games. That's not a slam, Julio is still a kid basically and i blame the hitting staff more than him personally but JP and Cal were so much more valuable than Julio and Teo
In James Gammons’ voice: “The rookies are coming along and there’s two or three potential All-Stars in there. I think we’re a contender right now. All we need are two or three pieces to put it all together.”
PNW-ites love baseball and love their Mariners and will still be top in the top half for attendance, despite the history of mediocre ownership. Can we please send a message by not selling out the next game on 3/28/24? I can’t not love my team, but I’m more pissed off right now than I’ve ever been. I’m one of the suckers that always believes in the “next year” crap. But if I’m this close to disowning my team, how many others can say the same?
Trade Seawald but no backup trade to fill the gap in the bullpen is just plain stupid. Minor League acquisitions. Something in August or September. You were right there.
MLB Network did a breakdown on the Baltimore Orioles who have 28th payroll in MLB with the best record in the MLB with 101 wins: 28 man roster with how they were acquired: Trades: 6 Waiver/Rule 5: 9 Free Agency: 3 Draft: 10 Mike Elias is architect of this team as well as one of the architects for the Houston Astros. He knows how to create a roster. The 3 free agents on the team are Aaron Hicks, Kyle Gibson and former Mariner Adam Frazier. These are not big name acquisitions. It goes to show that you can build a roster on the cheap and win 101 games in the toughest division in the MLB which is the AL East having the Red Sox and Yankees.
The AL east is not the best division in the AL. The AL west is, by far. Great pitching is what wins games and 3 teams in the west have rotations that can bury other teams at any time of the year. The east doesn't have amazing rotations, they have a few stars or aces in the division. The Orioles and Rays had a great year. The Astros, Rangers, and Mariners had a very good year. There were more high level teams on the west.
@@jeffnak5598 I am going by total wins in each division and the AL East is by far the best. The playing field is equal since each team plays all teams in the MLB.
@williamquemuel7824 Yeah, we saw how that went for the east in the wild card. Texas obliterated the 99 win Rays with ease, and Toronto got crushed by MINNESOTA.🤣🤣🤣
Can’t be blamed, after 20 years of terrible baseball they built a contender and parlayed it into a world class arena in an era in which public schools were being closed left and right, then another 20 years without building another legit contender.
Shohei. 8 years, base 360 million (45/year), pitching incentives for 2025 onward push total contract to 480 million (60/year). Out clause for Shohei after 2025, vested club option after 2028. Full no trade clause. Would the M’s do this, and would it get them in serious contention for Shohei?
In fairness, the Astros chose to suck for about 7 years, before they'd assembled the farm that became a powerhouse. Of course, that doesn't always work. ...
I'll take 204 wins over the next 2 years. If they ponied up and brought the payroll up to the 2018 level it would be very possible to hit that 204 mark.
Your patience should’ve run out after the season to be honest. If the Mariners can’t make a sixth seed wildcard spot after making the postseason last year with a supposedly weaker team, then there’s no hope for improvement, especially considering the cheap and greedy ownership.
I have gone to 112 games over the past two years, including the one post season home game we’ve had. Let me tell you about this team is not going to get any better in the near future. Not with ownership complacent with a mediocre product that they can still make a ton of money from desperate fans off of. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes. More than most fans these past couple of years. Regardless if the team ever luckily slips into the last spot in the wildcard again, any World Series hopes are an illusion constructed by greedy rich people to separate PNW baseball fans from their money. Don’t buy into it anymore.
I wonder if Jerry knows that when you sign free agents you don't have to dump your farm to get them, off season moves that aren't trades are critical, so when your in a position to go for it like we have been for few years your can pull the trigger at the trade deadline and actually get players to make you better instead Jerry wants to trade for everything all the time so he doesn't have to overpay a bit to get somebody to come here. Well it's time to go spend, who gives a shit about Stanton's money, he is filthy rich and getting richer so Jerry needs to make him pay up and spend some damn money to get legit bats here. We have the pitching if you don't trade them away. Go get free agents, they should have done this last couple years when there was legit bats on the market
Mariners fans need to chill out!!! If start trading prospects for old guys we are going to suck for another 10 years. Patients wins in baseball. Farm systems are what wins. And you need to wait for prospects to come up which takes about 4 years. We have been building a lot of great players through our farm system. If we wouldn’t have traded for Castillo we would have Marte who is hitting .330 for reds. Chill out. Wait for prospects to come up. It’s going to take a few years. You want to win??? Have patience. All the teams in the playoffs foundation is off their farm system. And not trading away prospects. And spending money has no correlation to winning. Seawald was 30. Rojas is young. We will come out ahead on that trade.
The saddest thing about this is that Jerry's process over a long enough timeline probably works - he's just a decade too late to Seattle for anyone to give a shit, so if he doesn't produce results right now, he's going to end up getting fired, and the Mariners will have to start all over again because Julio will be the only one left by the time this is all over. Everyone loses because Jerry spergs out and the fans are too burned out to give a fuck about anything beyond what the M's are doing this year.
I don't think there's a snowballs chance in Hell Shohei comes here, never have. Big name players never come here by choice in any sport, they sure leave though. All of them leave, every single one. But they NEVER choose to come here on their own. Galloway, Griffey, Johnson, ARod, Kemp, Wilson all left us. M's are the only team to never make a WS, I would like to see one before I die but I sure ain't holding my breath on it. They've been really bad most of their existence. They average a playoff appearance about once a decade. Terrible owners from day one, since I was 7 yrs old.
@@connorqualheim they hold the record for most single season wins and bounced in the playoffs that season. That roster was stacked and nobody showed up when it mattered.
Hopefully MLB will give Seattle and expansion team… and a real, professional, baseball team finally. Send this joke of a team down to the minors. The whole thing. ESPECIALLY Jerry.
Jerry has had a lot of issues last few years even the Castillo trade even though he is for the most part really good even though he completely dropped the ball his final two starts that trade in the long run and even already now is looking really bad and it’s just going to get worse and worse every year Five years from now that’s going to look like a fleece job by the reds. It was a win now trade but then you do nothing else.
The Mariners are not even close to winning a World Series. The team can't hit. They Finished 22nd in batting average and would have been worse if Julio wouldn't have gone on a tear in August. It is turely amazing it came down to the last weekend in all reality.
When the M's are just over 500 the fans show up!! ....I think they have been very patient !!! ...Very big fan base ......They need 2 win a series !!! For like the last 20 they have watched a wack corporate money ball approach that brought in money with low results !! ...Seems a pattern of 1 great player so fans show up 2 watch is real! Now they have a good pitching staff and should of made playoffs!! They need 2 invest in a couple batters now and win!! This fan base knows greatness -A-Rod Griffey Edgar Ichiro and J-Rod !!! They have seen some of the best !! For the most part a very passionate fan base -and a good base!! The city is lucky 2 have the loyalty they have had over the years!! The fans really deserve better!! Ohtani would be a good fit !!!
I can understand what dipoto was trying to say but I think he just did a poor job relaying it. The analytics part of the interview is fine but leave that stuff in the backroom, don’t bring it to the press conference.
They should be. Why do you think New York and Boston have such a winning history. You don't think a fan base that holds their team accountable has anything to do with that? I will say a lot of Mariner fans are soft and are ok with saying "maybe next year" but in my eyes, that's part of the problem.
They were put of this thing 2 months into season. They gave low intensity performances all yr. If they wouldnt have had 1 month of historic baseball they would have finished 10 games back. They didnt win one single big game this yr. It was a joke. Every single person on team under preformed this year. Every player
It's true Seattle is more of a baseball town than it gets credit for. Over the years I've seen the Kingdome and Safeco/T-Mobile packed with fans, most of the time knowing that it was yet another losing season. The fans show up, but ownership never steps up. It is frustrating for the players and the fans alike.
That is ULTIMATELY the problem...the fans come out and help this team pull a profit regardless of putting out a winning product. Julio is a marketer's dream and is going to pack the seats.
Going to safeco and sitting with the fans you really notice that practically nobody attending the game even knows what’s happening on the field. It’s not a real fan base.
@@griffinsutich1067 I've been going to M's games for 30 years. You're reaching pretty hard for one right there bro. Its a terrific fan base.
Seattle gets generally great attendances in all of the major sports. They love it up there in the PNW.
Thankfully for those supporters both the Sounders & the Kraken have done a better job of being competitive early than the long suffering Mariners fans.
Even the Seahawks (in an era before free agency in the NFL) set records for becoming competitive for an expansion team & were a lot of fun in the 80s & (after a 90s lull) had & acheived the highest of asperations.
Mariners fans have every right to be seething atm.
@@IPANoah I could be mistaken
From 1994-2003, the Mariners won 55% of their games. They did not win a World Series; they didn't even get into one (still the ONLY MLB team to never appear in one).... At least there's guys like Divish around to help keep Mariners fans sane.... Thanks!
"No one wants to hear of healing while they're still pulling the knife from their wound."~Mariners fans.
45 years waiting isn't patient enough, Jerry??? Depressing for us Mariner fans.
This reeks of John Stanton...yet another terrible owner.
love the exposure from national media on this.
I'm a Phillies fan, but I have a big soft spot for the Mariners from living in the PNW. Their fans are super cool and really passionate about the team, they deserve so much better. The "you should be happy with winning 54% of games" thing is bullshit, if you feel that way you should own a team at all. Like does nobody in the orginzation understand how much more money they'd make if the Mariners got a deep post season run, or even a World Series win? Kinda hoping this causes such a PR nightmare that real changes do happen.
The Orioles could ask their fans for patience because they were doing a complete teardown. Seattle was in the playoffs last season. Why have patience?
Thats the infuriating part. Like honestly the 54% thing doesn’t bug me that much. But preaching “patience” and saying “fans owe them a favor” made my jaw drop. Like you have made the playoffs once in eight years. Lol
@@davidzitterkopf4383once in 22 years
@@loganburton7625 I was referring to Dipoto’s tenure.
O's have had like 4 #1 draft picks and Jackson Holiday is going 2 be an elite player !! They are building a legacy if they can manage it !! The talent is there !! Its scary how good this team could be !! With M's u r right !! They should be better and expect greatness !! Fans have had more than enough patience !! I think a player like Ohtani could be a great fit!!
No, they could ask there fans for a rebuild because they have some World Series appearances and successes for their fan base to reminisce ABOUT…
Meanwhile in the Emerald City, the people who exercise patience are wondering if the yet to be named expansion Franchise(s) will beat the M’s at securing a League Pennant b4 this franchise does!?!?!!???!!!
It’s a reasonable conjecture given their LOVE affair with “O and Counting!!!” When it comes to riding the futility horse. 😢😢😅
Yeah, this was a side of Dipotto we saw a lot in Anaheim (though he wasn't really THE problem), glad others are seeing what we saw; it's been confusing hearing others praise him without mentioning his disconnections and, well, kind of arrogance.
I refer to Jerry as Jerry "Next Year" Dipoto because, at the end of the season, he always says "Next Year". The problem is that Seattle fans, for some reason are so enamored by this guy. He does not deliver. He does not believe in free agency unless he is a "bargain" player. What I mean by bargain player is one that Jerry hopes will return to a past performance. An example: When he picked up Kolten Wong he was hoping he would return to his form from two years past. Jerry does not go for bonafide players. I do not know if this is because he isn't given the money or he is restricted to certain players from higher up. However, for the past two years, he said he had money to use at the trade deadline and yet doesn't use it.
I am 64 years old, I have been waiting since 1977, and I am thinking at this point I will die from old age before we see a World Series. I wish that everybody from Scott Servais on up would go away. Based on what Jerry said he contradicted what he said earlier in the year about being competitive for Shohei Ohtani. Even if we did get Ohtani that will tie up money for years to come.
No, I don't believe that Cal Raleigh decided on his own to apologize. He was told to apologize. If I was a player for Seattle I wouldn't want to stay with this team. If Julio Rodriquez has any opt-outs he should use them to get a ring or two, he won't get it with Seattle. These are just two players the Mariners choked. I am sure that George Kirby was also forced to apologize, another player was choked by the team. Why do I say they were choked. Simple, I served in the Military and fought for people's rights and if they were forced to apologize their right to freedom of speech was stripped from them.
I will no longer support the Mariners until they can show they can deliver for the fans and care about the fans.
What was most frustrating was that, when they saw that Wong, Pollack and LaStella were not working out, they waited until the trade deadline to do something about the situation.
Until the fans stop going to the games, the Mariners will never fix anything. Please sell this team to someone that gives a shit. Front office has been the worst in baseball for decades.
John Stanton should have been the one on camera speaking the truth, instead of making Jerry make excuses for him. If Jerry and Scott leave, someone else will just have to put up with what little Stanton will give them.
I left the Mariners fanbase around 2004 / 2005
Criminal negligence in ownership and management for the past 20 years warrants zero allegiance
I’m there with you. As a fan since 1995 and having spent the last several years spending $800-$1200 per year on Mariners trips and tickets, I’m done. If you want to see an inspiring end-of-year address from a GM, go watch/read Ben Charrington’s for the Pirates.
Love Divish. Nice to hear him on more than a 3 minute spot. Nailed a lot of it and how us fans are feeling.
We moved to Seattle from a small town in Oregon in 78. My parents took me to my first game and I'll never forget my first home run. Became a Mariner for life. Five playoff appearances. Five. Sure we saved baseball in our first one. Sure we had the magical 2001 season but had I known the heartbreak of the next four decades....
Seems like the front office is content with putting a competitive team on the field maybe make the playoffs or fall short of that but just win enough to put butts in the seats and buying Mariner hats , the team is making a profit and that's all they are interested in.
Exactly right
nailed it, basically an f you to fans
this exactly
This is exactly it! In the minds of the front office, this was an ideal season
@@starfox6493And last season before was probably what an ideal playoff team would look like.
M's fans are lucky to have someone so real like Divish covering their team. One of the best in the biz and never holds back. respect
The Mariners broadcast in all of Washington, all of Idaho, half of Oregon, half of British Columbia and all of Alaska. If they’re a small-market team, then someone seriously screwed up on the media deals!
It's wild to me to think that a majority of the players that we've either cut or traded are in the playoffs now - Sewald/Ari - Wong/Dodgers - Frazier/Orioles - Santana/Brewers etc. yet when we brought back JK we did the same thing from before his injury when he was on the roster and that's LOSE!!!!! I've been saying this since forever DON'T FIX WHAT AIN'T BROKEN! after the trade deadline we had a huge turnaround and were in line to win our first division title in decades. Look at the Yankees last year before the trade deadline, they were dominating the American League but when they tried to trade for a pitcher they broke what was already the best team in the league and eventually ended up getting swept in the postseason. Rojas' interview when acquired was him saying that he's so thankful and grateful to be on a team that's a contender and now his former club just advanced to the divisional round..... It's crazy to me to notice that we absolutely suck when JK is on the roster, and regardless of how people assume that we're better with him in the lineup, when he scrubbed the Mariners from his social's because he got sent down again is why I don't think he's a team player especially when he broke his foot because of his childish antics when struggling at the plate, he's had a solid two weeks in the bigs and that's it, the only good thing about the trade that involved him was dumping Cano's contract other than that, we've wasted too much time on him to become something he's not. Regardless of all of that, Let's Go Mariners 🔱🔱🔱
I'm over the Geno project at 3rd. I'm over the Ty France project, he hasn't been the same since he almost got his arm ripped off in San Diego last year AND he's slow af (i'm 36 and fat and I'm pretty sure I can outrun Ty France), I'm over whoever we decide to throw in at 2nd base and I'm most certainly over the Dipoto/Servais bromance. We've been an 85-90 win team the past 3 seasons. We hit our ceiling. It's time for change. I wish Paul Allen was still alive (RIP) and had a love for baseball and owned the Mariners. That is one owner that EVERY team and fan should want. Not afraid to spend money and put his faith in management to put together winning teams in whatever sport it was. John Stanton only cares about the almighty dollar.
I miss Paul.
I like Gino and Ty. But most likely they are past their prime. Look at their stats. Down every year last three years. Who do you replace them with? Maybe Tyler Locklear at 1b. There really aren’t any free agents out there.
1. If this was a publicly traded company (and I have been a senior executive/SVP in several Fortune 100 companies in my former business career) Dipoto's employment would have been terminated before he returned to his office. Dipoto MUST BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY. Why?
2. A senior executive with a public facing role in an organization MUST be held to a higher standard. Dipoto has caused IRREPARABLE HARM to the franchise, the game, the current players, prospective players (including potential international acquisitions), the fans - the entire stakeholder community. This is not a situation that can be adequately addressed by apologies, explanations, time, or any similar sort of nuance. This situation is unequivocally not a "snafu" that can be addressed by some PR stunt, or an after the fact explanation or apology. Mariners ownership - that publicly states is an organization that cherishes accountability and integrity must now ACT upon what these standards require: "You're done. Thanks for assembling a core of players for us."
3. Dipoto has caused irreparable harm that will endure - at least for a decade. The harm includes the integrity of the franchise, trust from the fan base, confidence in the executive management currently guiding the team, and the MLB universe. He embarrassed and shamed his employer, the fans, the players etc.. Trust, confidence, hope and integrity are fragile. They take years to establish and moments to destroy. Jerry Dipoto destroyed just that...right when the franchise requires just that.
4. We've heard Jerry's mantra now for 8 years. He has had a number of snafus regarding "human relations" in his tenure. The price to pay is termination...immediate termination. You simply cannot allow somebody in your executive team to behave the way he has. "Finish the job?" NO WAY do we trust Jerry (and Justin) to do that. His failures the last 2 years to add essential talent at the trade deadline, are, at his own admission, "my fault." Well, after his public presser this week, as Chuck said, "there will be a price to pay." That 'price' is well beyond the boundaries of the outrage he has spawned and received from fans, local, national and international media, etc. He MUST be terminated by 5pm Friday October 6, 2023.
5. It's not just the tradeline miscues. This is the guy who decided we needed Dominic Leone, Flexen, LaStella, Pollock, Wong etc...the list goes on and on. Honestly, he rationalized and "sold" the fan base that his acquisitions were "difference makers" to productively supplement the existing roster. He failed.
6. Imagine how the current players feel about this guy? (It was not swell to begin with). What about prospective talent (in the minors, the draft, free agency, trades and international talent) the franchise desires to pursue in the near term and the future? Imagine what agents are telling their MLB clients today about the Seattle Mariners? Inspiration, motivation and trust have been deeply and irreparably damaged by this guy. You simply cannot "blow this off" and allow those angered by his statements this week to "cool off." NOPE! There are consequences for the depth and breadth of the damage this executive has rained on our team, the fan base, the region, current and prospective players, the current coaching staff, and the game.
7. Jerry is done in Seattle. The "NO CONFIDENCE" vote is in; He's out! Terminating Jerry tomorrow will likely include Hollander and Servais - as these guys seem to roll as a package deal. We're good with that! THIS is the action the Seattle Mariners must now complete. If you desire accountability and integrity as an organization - this is what you MUST DO NOW! Unfortunately (or fortunately) the opportunity has unfolded to take this essential action now.
Well, the Wall Street Journal's Scott Patterson wrote a book a decade ago entitled, "THE QUANTS - How a New Breed of Math Whizzes Conquered Wall Street and Nearly Destroyed It." Patterson states his case bluntly: "In other words, there is no single truth in the chaotic world of finance, where panics, manias, and chaotic crowd behavior can overwhelm all expectations of rationality. Models designed on the premise that the market is predictable and rational are doomed to fail. When hundreds of billions of highly leveraged dollars are riding on those models, catastrophe is looming." (P. 294). "To quants, unprecedented is perhaps the dirtiest word in the English language. Their models are by necessity backward-looking, based on decades of data about how markets operate in all kinds of conditions. When something is unprecedented, it falls outside the parameters of the models. In other words, the models don't work anymore." (Pp. 271-272). Jerry and Justin and Servais are representative of the Quants that now inhabit baseball. These guys are not qualified to move this franchise to the stated destination they have touted for 8 VERY LONG years.
What Dipoto destroyed in 75 minutes this week (including his pathetic responses to the "softball" questions lobbed by Brock and Salk this morning) cannot be restored by him or with him as part of this franchise. He MUST be replaced. NOW.
The "opportunity" is now squarely in front of the ownership group of the Seattle Mariners. John Stanton must also be removed from his current position as the Managing General Partner for the Mariners ownership group - and replaced with somebody who has a spine - versus the coward that Stanton has demonstrated he is. We don't want an interview with John Stanton. We want him gone - along with the other three knuckleheads.
Dipoto has firmly disqualified himself, and those associated closely with him (Hollander and Servais and Stanton) from handling the helm of the good ship Mariner any longer. He has irreparably disparaged the current crew and their families, along with those cheering the voyage onward. The integrity of the hull is now legitimately questionable after running into this week's reef. The mutiny he has inspired is not reversible. When sports media in Mexico is laughing at Jerry Dipoto, it's over. Imagine what they are saying in Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Republica de Dominica, Venezuela, Argentina, Columbia, Japan, Europe - Jerry's idiocy is ricocheting around the globe.
It's time to re-engineer, reorganize and replace the current executive management of the Seattle Mariners. The only way out of this mess is for the admirals to make the decision that Dipoto et al have earned their opportunity to "walk the plank" - so others who are vastly more experienced and astute may guide this ship off the reef this guy has so irretrievably and precariously positioned this franchise on.
Finish the job? That's exactly what the Seattle Mariners ownership group must do by Friday October 6, 2023 by 5:00pm. This is NOT difficult. It is obvious and fundamentally essential what action must be taken at this time. NOW!
Better yet, get John Stanton out of the owner's chair!
@@FranzFerdinandVIII AMEN!!!
The M’s were 2 games away from winning the division. Two players failed to perform in the last 7 games of the season. Luis Castillo lost 2 games by pitching poorly and Julio Rodriguez went 1-24 down in the last series.
If they had addressed the DH and 2nd base issue in the offseason those players could have been resting that last series.... don't blame this on 2 of our best players
@@tylermarley9159 Players don’t get a pass on this especially the 2 stars who did not play to their potential. Luis Castillo was crucial in those two losses and Julio went 1-24 down in the last series. Julio had only 3 RBI’s in the last 10 crucial games of the year. Julio was the spark in August, but fell flat in September.
@@williamquemuel7824thats what happens when your only offense is 1 player. Unfortunately Julio went into a slump like every great player.
@@jordan3305 That’s reason that Jerry traded for Teo to counter the bumps or slumps from Julio.
Teo also hit below .200 the last couple weeks of the season. @@williamquemuel7824
Jerry Dipoto couldn't be more clueless. The team took a step forward this year? Only an idiot would buy that. It's pretty simple, Jerry -- you made the post season last year and you failed to make it this year. That would be a step backward. Think about it just a little bit and you'll get it.
Julio struggled at the beggining of the season. He had a hot August but that was it. Crawford performed ALL YEAR LONG!
HAHA, i was rambling and spelled beginning wrong for all you spell checkers out there!
Crawford also had half of Julio's counting stats, too.
Julio struggled because he was getting laid by a soccer player
And had Julio had another All Star veteran in the lineup to observe, IMO he wouldn’t have struggled most of the season.
@Ironcabbit J.D. Martinez or Jose Abreu would have been cheap, and the type of vets that would have helped.
My 'bitch' once it became apparent, is Jerry stacked this team with too many HR/Strikeout types. We almost always left more on base every game. No matter what he claims, that is not a step forward. His off-season moves last year are no longer on the team. He never admits things like that!
To be fair, him and Hollander has admitted the off-season and deadline were failures, the problem is that he didn't leave it at that.😂😂
This is an excellent point. "Too many HR/Strikeout types"
@@coachmullen1If all you look at is sabermetric stats (which arguably have their uses but shouldn’t be all you look at) then you will lean towards power hitting and power pitching because most efficiency metrics would favor those kinds of hitters and pitchers.
You still need to develop a complete, functional, well rounded roster.
So damn hard to be a mariners fan. Im 22 years old and they made the playoffs 1st time in my life last year now back on same bs the last 22 years.
55 years old. Done with them money wise. 100% in my pocket… Jerry can blow me 54% A season. That’s the only win 🏅 😊
And I gotta say it, this is Jerry's what eighth year here and we have one wildcard to show for it, he was at the Angels what did he do, one post season appearance with the best baseball player in the world at the time. He needs to start putting up our shut up, next year is it. I find Jerry one more chance to do what he says he was going to do for this franchise or myself and many many other fans are out. I hear talks already of not going to Gabe's next year. This team is fattening their pockets and doing just enough to stay relevant. When you lose more games then the previous 2 yrs and you miss the playoffs for the 21st time in 22 yrs then you failed. Simple as that
To be fair, they were a few well placed games away from being a lower playoff team three straight seasons. They were in the mix, but only made it the one time. The guys before DiPoto arguably didn’t get even that far that often.
But unless there’s a massive improvement with the players we have or DiPoto makes a few big moves, what team we’ve seen him make in Seattle is probably as good as he’ll ever construct.
Love this video thanks guys
The fans do their part and are top ten in attendance. So much for small market team. It’s all on ownership. Then there is this.
The estimated valuation of the Seattle
Mariners franchise in 2023 is $2.2
billion. This according to Forbes, who released their annual MLB team valuations list in March 2023. The Mariners' valuation represents a 29% increase from the previous year, the largest year-over-year leap in value of any MLB club.
They also have one of the biggest tv footprints int he country and own their RSN. They led MLB in revenue last year
As someone who lives in Seattle...the fanbase isn't going insane, they're doing the same thing they do every year...shrugging and moving on to football season. This franchise is and has been built around having 1-2 likeable superstars to attract families. It's a steady but very casual fanbase. They don't expect to win a World Series, they don't demand better, and the ownership and front office certainly don't either.
that's so interesting i also live in seattle and most of the Ms fans i've met are pretty diehard and make nihilistic jokes about it as a coping mechanism but are in general deeply invested in the team and it's players but are frustrated with how the team and ownership keep floundering... this being said i come from a big baseball family so it might be a bit biased but while there are a good amount of casual fans i have met a TON of diehards as well and had really good conversations with them about the team
@@izzykwoka2379There are levels to it...I grew up a Mets fan in New York and the fanbase is very similar to the Ms in some ways. Mets fans are more vocal, but ultimately don't expect to win and don't demand change. The '69 and '86 championships are two of the most unlikely in sports history and continue to shape the culture surrounding the team. The Yankees however...the fanbase investment and demands are so extreme they're almost comical. Boston and Philly are this way too, although not to that extent. Even if the Yanks haven't won a title in almost 15 years and Hal is not like George, they demand a certain level of performance and the fans do too. It's been enough to keep them over .500 for the last 30 years, regardless of payroll.
Honestly the scene is set perfectly for an Ohtani signing but ownership will more than likely pass on him or offer a short term high annual average deal. Picture a full time DH for 2024 on a team in dire need of more offense. In 1 calendar year he also becomes a SP (possibly) again maybe with a lighter pitching schedule which also allows them to pivot and trade either of their young arms in Woo or Miller this offseason for even more offensive help. Robbie Ray will be back maybe mid or late 2024 for rotation help. It is a perfect scenario right in the prime of this young team competing for the playoffs year over year. Your move Mariners ownership. Do what needs to be done and spark a fire into this organization that the time is now.
I hate that he got hurt because he is the most talented baseball player to ever live but I’m almost happy he did get hurt because there’s even less of an excuse for us to not get him bundle Robbie Ray with Harry Ford as much as I love him if that’s enough get out of that money and spend that money on fucking Shohei technically we shouldn’t need Harry Ford since we have big dumper
What makes you so sure that Ohtani would even consider signing with the M's?
@@gpiano88 They were finalists (out of 3 teams) the first time around and they are situated for potential future playoff runs. Their roster also is a perfect fit for Ohtani and he meets their needs. The Angels sit as a mess of an organization and my guess is they have no shot this offseason at resigning him. Moreno will throw money at him sure but I think he will be looking for a stable environment where there is a winning culture (or seeds of one) and playoff races are in the cards.
@@dansanfrisco 'Winning culture'? the M's don't have a winning culture.
Loved AJ during his career and his fire.
The thing is, none of this matters a tinker's cuss. Next year the stands will be filled with paying customers, and the Mariners will continue to turn a profit. That's ALL the ownership cares about.
White Sox fan here first, but i LOVE the Mariners. Some unfortunate similarities with my hometown Sox and my adopted Mariners... risk adverse and resting on laurels 🤔
Oh not to mention patchwork FA fixes
As a Mariner fan since 1982 I knew this season was going to be disappointment from last year. My friend said in 1998 when Randy Johnson was traded that the Mariners will never be a successful franchise due to ownership. I was in denial at the time but looking back the song remains the same. I kind of miss the years pre Nintendo when cheap ass owner George Argyros was the man. Nowadays you can’t really pinpoint one individual for this ownership. I have no confidence with this franchise.
Love you guys, love the show. But you guys HAVE to get your audio figured out. It’s incredibly distracting and takes away from the content.
It was the homies audio not foul territorys
@@turosmalls6785 they’ve always had audio issues though. Audio levels all over the place and inconsistent.
@@joerobertson8034 i just started watching foul territory maybe i haven’t watched enough content to notice it yet
They are NOT throwing the bag at Ohtani. No chance. There is NO reason for them to have a lower payroll than they did 7 years ago. Two years in a row they have had Carlos Santana and Mike Ford as DH. Or throw in Dylan Moore or Sam Haggerty. Give me a break. GET A DAMN DH THAT CAN HIT!!!! He is a designated HITTER. Thus....should be good HITTERS!!!!!!
Julio totally disappeared in September. With a timely hit in 2 or 3 games, there we are at 90 wins, winning the division.
Jerry was notoriously known for making more trades than any other GM. Then 2023 came. After we lost Ray and Marco early, and Wong didn’t pan out he still did nothing other than call up guys that needed another year to develop. Then the ONLY “big move” he made was give up Sewald for a couple of C rated players a day before the deadline. that was really it. We’re tired of watching Houston take the West. Either spend $$,(you have it!) lose your job or lose fans.
Jerry should have come out to degeneration X music doing the “suck it” gesture
It certainly would not be as simple as replacing Dipoto. With this front office whoever you bring in is going to face the same restrictions that Dipoto has had to deal with.
They could end up with a much worse situation. Watch the Astros documentary. A bunch of ruthless suits took over and fired a lot of people. This lead to a cheating scandal.
What might have been in 2023 if he hadn’t traded Sewald. Dbacks are in, and moving on to the NLDS. The M’s are watching.
it just continues my oh my
Stuck in the mud what in hell is that about. Isn't the goal of every team is to go to the world series? If that is not goal then why play? For crying out I have been a Mariner fan since 1977. I followed the team when it took 16 years to finish the season above .500. I watched Lou, Junior, A Rod , Tino, and The Big Unit come and leave because the ownership wasn't totally committed to winning the AL pennant. Last season I was tickled to death the Mariners played in the playoffs. I was excited that they would add some players so they would make a series run, but no they stood pat and regressed. Wild card Berths are nice, but division titles and AL titles are better. Hell WW 3 could break out anytime soon and we may never see the Mariners in the world series.
Dipoto seems arrogant. On behalf of Stanton. Smfh. So fuckin out of touch. Keep us holding on just enough to hope for a playoff spot while not actually planning on trying to win
JP played amazing, was a leader and has clutch. Julio flopped, he swings and misses 75% of games. His Sept was bad and he was a wasted line up spot in these last 10 games. That's not a slam, Julio is still a kid basically and i blame the hitting staff more than him personally but JP and Cal were so much more valuable than Julio and Teo
Not Dipoto talking. That's Stanton and ownership.
In James Gammons’ voice: “The rookies are coming along and there’s two or three potential All-Stars in there. I think we’re a contender right now. All we need are two or three pieces to put it all together.”
PNW-ites love baseball and love their Mariners and will still be top in the top half for attendance, despite the history of mediocre ownership. Can we please send a message by not selling out the next game on 3/28/24? I can’t not love my team, but I’m more pissed off right now than I’ve ever been. I’m one of the suckers that always believes in the “next year” crap. But if I’m this close to disowning my team, how many others can say the same?
Been a M's fan since the mid 80's. I'm so sick of GM's telling me to be patient...
Kinda funny for AJ to say that he has sources in the mariners clubhouse to the guy who talks to Mariners players on the daily
Its a step forward in the wrong direction
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Great episode but the audio was givin too much feedback at times.
I was at the second to last game. What a crap showing. Plus the stadium is too loud and everything is too expensive. Never going again. Sad.
Ownership doesn't want to spend the money to go after big names, that's the problem. That doesn't always solve problems, but they have to try it.
They have to spend more money and be smart about it. Not the Rays but not the Padres. More like the Braves. Plain and simple
jp was definitely the man on that team this year
Give Otani a fucking percentage of ownership. Get him in Seattle.
Trade Seawald but no backup trade to fill the gap in the bullpen is just plain stupid. Minor League acquisitions. Something in August or September. You were right there.
Really llike Seattle, their a good team but success breeds a demand for continual success. they were end the race until the end
Jerry ended the yr when he gave away sewald for 2 nobodies. It was obvious. Our bullpen was trash down the stretch
MLB Network did a breakdown on the Baltimore Orioles who have 28th payroll in MLB with the best record in the MLB with 101 wins:
28 man roster with how they were acquired:
Trades: 6
Waiver/Rule 5: 9
Free Agency: 3
Draft: 10
Mike Elias is architect of this team as well as one of the architects for the Houston Astros. He knows how to create a roster. The 3 free agents on the team are Aaron Hicks, Kyle Gibson and former Mariner Adam Frazier. These are not big name acquisitions. It goes to show that you can build a roster on the cheap and win 101 games in the toughest division in the MLB which is the AL East having the Red Sox and Yankees.
Not the best record in MLB; that’s the Braves.
The AL east is not the best division in the AL. The AL west is, by far. Great pitching is what wins games and 3 teams in the west have rotations that can bury other teams at any time of the year. The east doesn't have amazing rotations, they have a few stars or aces in the division. The Orioles and Rays had a great year. The Astros, Rangers, and Mariners had a very good year. There were more high level teams on the west.
@@pinverarity I stand corrected, but the point remains that O’s won 101 games with 3rd lowest payroll.
@@jeffnak5598 I am going by total wins in each division and the AL East is by far the best. The playing field is equal since each team plays all teams in the MLB.
@williamquemuel7824 Yeah, we saw how that went for the east in the wild card. Texas obliterated the 99 win Rays with ease, and Toronto got crushed by MINNESOTA.🤣🤣🤣
Every year.
More pain.
They have gone backward instead of forward.
The Mariners need to pay market-value rent for T-Mobile. Otherwise the city should rent it to someone else.
Can’t be blamed, after 20 years of terrible baseball they built a contender and parlayed it into a world class arena in an era in which public schools were being closed left and right, then another 20 years without building another legit contender.
Exactly! GET SOME DUDES! Haggerty and Moore are not dudes! as much as i like them...sorry to say
Divish is the best beat in the league
Shohei. 8 years, base 360 million (45/year), pitching incentives for 2025 onward push total contract to 480 million (60/year). Out clause for Shohei after 2025, vested club option after 2028. Full no trade clause.
Would the M’s do this, and would it get them in serious contention for Shohei?
Should Scott Servais go ? Since he's been at the helm we've been stuck in the middle. That was OK for a while, but has it gone on too long ?
Cal is my hero
The Mariners need Billy Beene to revamp them Moneyball style.
In fairness, the Astros chose to suck for about 7 years, before they'd assembled the farm that became a powerhouse. Of course, that doesn't always work. ...
Free agents wont come play for jerry. End of conversations. Players do not trust this guy
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“Foul Territory” but the Bauer situation is more “out of play”
MLB most likely told analysts and sports podcasts to not talk about it.😂
I'll take 204 wins over the next 2 years. If they ponied up and brought the payroll up to the 2018 level it would be very possible to hit that 204 mark.
1 step forwared, 2 steps back. I've been a fan since 1995. My patients is running VERY VERY thin!
Your patience should’ve run out after the season to be honest. If the Mariners can’t make a sixth seed wildcard spot after making the postseason last year with a supposedly weaker team, then there’s no hope for improvement, especially considering the cheap and greedy ownership.
I have gone to 112 games over the past two years, including the one post season home game we’ve had. Let me tell you about this team is not going to get any better in the near future. Not with ownership complacent with a mediocre product that they can still make a ton of money from desperate fans off of. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes. More than most fans these past couple of years. Regardless if the team ever luckily slips into the last spot in the wildcard again, any World Series hopes are an illusion constructed by greedy rich people to separate PNW baseball fans from their money. Don’t buy into it anymore.
I wonder if Jerry knows that when you sign free agents you don't have to dump your farm to get them, off season moves that aren't trades are critical, so when your in a position to go for it like we have been for few years your can pull the trigger at the trade deadline and actually get players to make you better instead Jerry wants to trade for everything all the time so he doesn't have to overpay a bit to get somebody to come here. Well it's time to go spend, who gives a shit about Stanton's money, he is filthy rich and getting richer so Jerry needs to make him pay up and spend some damn money to get legit bats here. We have the pitching if you don't trade them away. Go get free agents, they should have done this last couple years when there was legit bats on the market
Mariners fans need to chill out!!! If start trading prospects for old guys we are going to suck for another 10 years.
Patients wins in baseball. Farm systems are what wins. And you need to wait for prospects to come up which takes about 4 years.
We have been building a lot of great players through our farm system. If we wouldn’t have traded for Castillo we would have Marte who is hitting .330 for reds.
Chill out. Wait for prospects to come up. It’s going to take a few years. You want to win??? Have patience. All the teams in the playoffs foundation is off their farm system. And not trading away prospects. And spending money has no correlation to winning.
Seawald was 30. Rojas is young. We will come out ahead on that trade.
The saddest thing about this is that Jerry's process over a long enough timeline probably works - he's just a decade too late to Seattle for anyone to give a shit, so if he doesn't produce results right now, he's going to end up getting fired, and the Mariners will have to start all over again because Julio will be the only one left by the time this is all over. Everyone loses because Jerry spergs out and the fans are too burned out to give a fuck about anything beyond what the M's are doing this year.
I don't think there's a snowballs chance in Hell Shohei comes here, never have.
Big name players never come here by choice in any sport, they sure leave though. All of them leave, every single one. But they NEVER choose to come here on their own.
Galloway, Griffey, Johnson, ARod, Kemp, Wilson all left us.
M's are the only team to never make a WS, I would like to see one before I die but I sure ain't holding my breath on it. They've been really bad most of their existence. They average a playoff appearance about once a decade. Terrible owners from day one, since I was 7 yrs old.
We’ve been fucking waiting forever , wtf? Who is he to say that to actually mariners fans who have gone through seasons he wasn’t even here.
Payroll, payroll, payroll!
Ughh C'mon Mariners management
julio is a good player but I think seattle has hamstrung themselves with his big contract
Strange that the Mariners are the only team to never play in the World Series.
Not strange. Just a perennial mediocre franchise
@@connorqualheim they hold the record for most single season wins and bounced in the playoffs that season. That roster was stacked and nobody showed up when it mattered.
Hopefully MLB will give Seattle and expansion team… and a real, professional, baseball team finally.
Send this joke of a team down to the minors. The whole thing. ESPECIALLY Jerry.
Congratulations on your Fightin’ Phils. If you wind up playing L.A. please sweep them into submission.
Jerry has had a lot of issues last few years even the Castillo trade even though he is for the most part really good even though he completely dropped the ball his final two starts that trade in the long run and even already now is looking really bad and it’s just going to get worse and worse every year Five years from now that’s going to look like a fleece job by the reds. It was a win now trade but then you do nothing else.
The Mariners are not even close to winning a World Series. The team can't hit. They Finished 22nd in batting average and would have been worse if Julio wouldn't have gone on a tear in August. It is turely amazing it came down to the last weekend in all reality.
Mariners players/Fans 🔱 vs the world at this point.
Mariners fans 🤝 Jays fans
When the M's are just over 500 the fans show up!! ....I think they have been very patient !!! ...Very big fan base ......They need 2 win a series !!! For like the last 20 they have watched a wack corporate money ball approach that brought in money with low results !! ...Seems a pattern of 1 great player so fans show up 2 watch is real! Now they have a good pitching staff and should of made playoffs!! They need 2 invest in a couple batters now and win!! This fan base knows greatness -A-Rod Griffey Edgar Ichiro and J-Rod !!! They have seen some of the best !! For the most part a very passionate fan base -and a good base!! The city is lucky 2 have the loyalty they have had over the years!! The fans really deserve better!! Ohtani would be a good fit !!!
I can understand what dipoto was trying to say but I think he just did a poor job relaying it. The analytics part of the interview is fine but leave that stuff in the backroom, don’t bring it to the press conference.
The fans aren’t going insane. The Twitter users are going insane. Twitter isn’t real life.
They should be. Why do you think New York and Boston have such a winning history. You don't think a fan base that holds their team accountable has anything to do with that? I will say a lot of Mariner fans are soft and are ok with saying "maybe next year" but in my eyes, that's part of the problem.
They were put of this thing 2 months into season. They gave low intensity performances all yr. If they wouldnt have had 1 month of historic baseball they would have finished 10 games back. They didnt win one single big game this yr. It was a joke. Every single person on team under preformed this year. Every player