What Actually Happened Today? || Vidit vs Nepo || FIDE Online Olympiad (2020)
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Santosh Gurjathi Vidit vs Ian Nepomniachtchi
FIDE Online Olympiad (2020)
30.8.2020, GAME
Gruenfeld, exchange variation (D85)
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Be3 c5 8. Qd2 Qa5 9. Nf3 O-O 10. Rc1 Bg4 11. d5 b5 12. Bxc5 Rc8 13. Bb4 Qc7 14. Nd4 a5 15. Ba3 b4 16. Bb2 Qb6 17. Bb5 e5 18. dxe6 Bxe6 19. Nxe6 fxe6 20. c4 Bxb2 21. Qxb2 Nc6 22. Qf6 Nd4 23. Bd7 Rf8 24. Qe5 Rxf2 25. Kxf2 Rf8+ 26. Ke3 Nf5+ 27. Kd3 Qe3+ 28. Kc2 Nd4+ 29. Kb1 Qd3+ 30. Ka1 Rf2 31. Bxe6+ Kf8 32. Qd6+ Kg7 33. Qe7+ Kh8 34. Qd8+ Kg7 35. Qe7+ Kh8 36. Qd8+ Kg7 37. Qe7+
Thumbnail photos by Peter Doggers/chess.com and Alina l'Ami
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Thanks for the further clarifications!
As other people have mentioned, this disconnect wasn't the players' fault. Cloudflare (The site that hosts Chess.com) experienced an outage and major sites like Amazon and EA Sports were also affected. This wasn't an issue with the internet connection. The server hosting the game crashed.
Thanks Agad!
"Global crash" whatever, you disconnect, you lose, period
@@vivekjoshi2216 Agad had no bias. What are you talking about?
You should mention that Divya was completely winning in her board.
All white pieces aiming towards black King with h5 on the board, I so much wanted to see that attack
@@ShadowNelt yes..divya at her best
Yes exactly. Even Nihal was in a drawing position. So theoretically, the round would've been a draw.
Also it's not just players, everyone in that particular server faced that problem, even the online streamers. That means something was wrong with Chess.com in this particular case, unlike Armenia's case.
And Armenia would've lost that particular round where they had the disconnection problem anyway. Even if you give away that particular one point. Moreover, no other player had any problem while playing from the same place (some chess club).
Agad, there is a difference between the Armenia and Russia games. India's disconnect was because of the outage in the global Cloudflare servers, due to which other entities such as EA Sports & Amazon were also affected. Additionally, Nihal was in a drawish position and Divya was clearly winning and ready to launch a mating attack. In the Armenia game, the reason for the outage is not known and it was the Armenians who walked out of the second set. It had nothing to do with the Indian team. Both Russia and Armenia have their reasons to feel hard done but to imply that it was done to appease the Indian fans is unfair and incorrect. In the end, the decision is relatively fair.
Edit (adding more info): GM Srinath, the team India vice-captain, said on stream that the Russian captain had agreed to the decision of sharing the gold medal before it was announced, which makes Nepo's tweet even more dubious. Kosteniuk's tweet is dubious too -- since Russia's only "win" came after Koneru Humpy got disconnected because of the outage and only reconnected when 18 seconds were left. The comments from the Russian players leave a bad taste, especially since they had agreed to share gold in the first place.
It was tweeted by Aronian.Agad didn't say a thing.
@@idledrive7319 watch video again n again untill things get in your head
@@idledrive7319 Agad was clearly biased for Russia and Armenia.
It's a chess review channel.not to show results from tournament. He sometimes try to inform results but don't get me wrong.
INDIA OP 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
The point here is that unlike other countries this wasnt just a disconnect....it was a major server crash which also many people in the country experienced....so even a good internet couldnt save it.....it feels harsh for russia..but remember it could have been worse for them
harsh for russia? id personally rather get a tie in some game/sport whatever than winning due to opponent being unable to win becus of factors out of his control
@@xwhitemers885 exactly, the win doesn't feel deserved then
@@xwhitemers885 the internet outage could happen in russian side think that....its a win win situation...just chill...its a global pandemic state what better could happen!
@@tanmaydasadhikari193 im not saying there's anything bad with them both winning. in fact, i think it's a good decision. i just didnt get why it would be "harsh" for the russian team
@@xwhitemers885 from a distance it feels harsh..but if u take a close look..its india winning...
I mean harsh in the sense when u look at the scorecard its victory for russia...but in reality India was better on one board
'and it was in this position that FIDE decide to award both countries with gold medals'
It was in this position that india and Russia drew their olympiad
It was in this position levon aronian resigned the tournament
And it was in this position captures captures, captured captured.
It was in this position that Ian Nepomnichtchi posted an angry tweet
@@gefitrop3496 He and one more Russian player are just tweeting and retweeting each other's tweets which clearly show that they are not happy with the Joint win . They think Russia had a clear win in second round but actually it was overall equal so , they are just being cry babies .
Anand's tweet - "We are the champions !!!" Congrats Russia" is simple English.... By " We" he is implying to both India and Russia...
In Nepom's tweet he is trying very hard not to lose his cool basically...
We could also mean we Indians (i am not good at English)
Exactly ! What Agad found controversial in Anand's tweet , I m still not getting
@@varadkousadikar9424 he said if a person directly sees this tweets he will get confused who won
@@nikhilhadbe271 Anand is such a gentleman, he can never create controversy whatever happens..Agad misinterpreted his tweet badly
@@nikhilhadbe271 u check his tweet again he said #Champions which is plural. If he meant for India then he would have tweeted #Champion not #champions.. It takes a common sense to understand the difference which I know 90% of you are lacking in it. #Peaceout
With all due respect Agad, there's a difference between one player disconnecting and a global internet outage (The fact you conveniently avoided)
@Bryan Black
Maybe you should also worried about the shit of Racism in Western countries that Indian faces.
@Bryan Black what's that supposed to mean? you had no obligation to post this comment, but you did. he/she wasn't even replying to a comment you made. Please get some of that hate off your chest...
@@shashwat8463 he IS one of our fascist triggered losers. They all talk that way. Chickenhawks, we call them. He would never say that to your face.
Conveniently? I don't agadmator avoided it because he wanted to? He simply doesn't know that in india such connectivity issues are extremely common. He lives in Croatia, which is in fact quite different right?
@@arinsrivastava6607 You say that in India there are always Connectivity issues but that's the point, it was a global internet outage affecting many countries. Not just India.
The crucial difference between Armenia's case and India's case was that in Armenia's case it was a connection problem with the player.
Connection problems due to a player or the country's unpreparedness with the internet are not FIDE's responsibility and they cannot accomodate that. But a global network problem that affected chess.com servers is not the player's fault not unpreparedness on the team's part.
So there isn't hypocirsy. Maybe a more just decision would have been to have a rematch in all 3 matches affected by the connection issue. That is what Indian fans were asking for as well. India didn't ask to be handed the win. But since all matches unaffected by the connection were draws the current result isn't unjust either. (Yes Humpy lost but after losing considerable time due to network issues, so we can't say she wasn't affected)
Also even if you consider that Humpy was losing, Divya had a winning position and Nihal had a drawn game. So the result would have most likely been a draw anyway.
They could have had a rematch between the 3 affected games and whoever wins, wins. A just action leaves no one unsatisfied, in that way Nepo wouldn't have anything to say against them.
@@vincerafaelcastro5778 I agree. In fact most Indian fans wanted this. Because then the win wouldn't have been questioned at all. Although I feel some would still have said that this gave India a second chance and initially Russian won. Again, this is FIDE's decision. India didn't ask to be handed the win. But now that it's done Russian team should understand and not be salty.
Russia seems to be satisfied with the decision anyway. Just nepo isn't.
@@vincerafaelcastro5778 If it's just Nepo then it's understandable I guess. Can't expect the players to be 100% objective and understanding. They're only human
@@mridul6574 its weird that they are looking one side...Divya was winning and the other 2 were very much drawish...they could have also lost
i had a lot of respect for Ian Nepo before this tweet he made. his personality on twitch is very toxic, he called a 2500 player "garbage" after losing to him on lichess.
He is an a hole, great chess player but an a hole nonetheless.
What's his twitch
@@jadenshaw2464 same as his twitter handle, i don't remember it exactly.
He’s damn rude and very cocky !
Who was that 2500 player?
Agad conveniently failed to mention the global outage of cloudflare.
Also, Divya Deshmukh having an obviously winning position.
I doubt it was deliberate (as your comment seems to imply), perhaps it was just lax research on his part in his haste to get the video up.
He did before when he made that bizarre queen sacrifice video involving an Indian junior female chess master.
@Inner Worlds it was announced by FIDE president on twitter on samay raina's stream on chess.com's stream. He either left it out purposely or did absolutely no research before making the video. He could even check reddit it was the top thread on chess subreddit.
He has addressed this in his latest video.
Agad the players didnt disconnect but rather there was a global server outage, it was unfortunate that at the same time on all three boards it was india's turn, same could've happened on russia's turn it was just luck so the decision was pretty fair for both sides
That's true even company like amazon was suffering from that problem
And many other online games were facing disconnection and problems that particular time.
dude humpy lost due to good play of her opponent.. check live
@@W8H_ i know but just check the difference in advantage before and after the outage,take a few minutes out of anyone's time and they'll start to blunder(well except nihal sarin).no doubt her opponent played really well but humpy never got a real chance to show her good play unfortunately.
P.S-Her opponent has terrible sportsmanship(check her tweet)
In Anand's tweet, 'we' is first person pronoun. 'We' here, means India and Russia.
Nice 👍👍
Yes rightly said
"We" is not second person, it is first person plural. Second person would be "you"
@President Trump think about you elections lol😂
Indians have a lot of love and respect for Agad, and we didn't expect such hard and biased comments from him, many people rely on him for major updates in the chess world and if he gets biased and tells just his openion without knowing or mentioning the actual facts of global server issue, he might lose the love and respect of his fans.
Completely agreed. I hope he was misinformed but should at least take measures to rectify it.
Oh boy... this is gonna be another big issue on agad's part.
so true .. i learnt a lot from his game analysis. but he is commenting in bad taste. I am not for joint winner but for rematch of Divya and Nihal. Agad felt biased so was Neppo and Levon . Respect receeding !
No bias here, 3 disconnects is 3 disconnects.
@saurabh, totally agree. And nice that agad made a video for clarification
There was a global internet outage. Amazon and EA Sports were down as well.
Could you point to a source? I know there were issues with Cloudflare.
Advitiay Anand +1
@OMGitsyounes Is Here 😅😂
Sadly this is what happens when so much of the world and so many of the world's people are dependent upon computers and the internet,a glaring failure of the our times,however advanced or technological they may seem.
Our times*
It was fair enough. Divya was winning, Nihal was almost equal, Humpy's game was on the edge. We might have the situation that India would have won the second round. So saying that it was just to please the fans is pure bs. Secondly, it was proven that the Internet connections were all good and there was a global outage at cloudfare. Armenia wanted to start the matches from the same position which wouldn't have been fair, while the Indian team didn't mention such thing in their appeal. Give the credit to Team India because we all knew that Russia were the favourites but holding them all for a draw in the first round was an astounding result. I don't know why but I guess before putting a point across, please please research on the facts. There have been many instances in sports history where joint winners are declared under extraordinary circumstances. This was the best and the most fair way to give justice to both sides. The Russian Captain had also agreed so whatever Nepo says it won't matter. Levon Aronian could have set an example and continued to play with his team showing the class of Armenian players, instead they walked out. There can be two sides of the coin, always.
Don't get butthurt because a nation of 1.3 billion will definitely rise in the ranks of world chess. The coolest person today was Kramnik and even FIDE could not challenge his epic prophecy (not a prediction :P)
Keep promoting Chess, India will grow, Indian players will grow in the space of chess. The country where the game of chess originated will now not eb left behind.
he does not need to do any research because what he said was right ,,,, and if replaying the game was not an option then restart the games in two boards of divya and nihal ,,, it leaves a bitter taste ,,, in armenia's case even if the drew the game they would have had to play the second match which they did not ,,
0:00 Hello everyone
0:02 Drama from the chess world
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0:29 5:57 Sorry about that
0:39 0:43 4:34 6:03 8:31 Captures captures 2:47 (..with check!)
0:47 Strike in the centre
0:51 All very standard stuff
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10:18 A little bit of what happened/standings
11:39 Very odd proclamation
12:21 Some tweets
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16:09 The Good Stuff
_Wow, that's quite a dramatic turn of events! Not sure what the best option would have been!_
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Just so you know not the connection were lost but the servers crashed that's the major problem which is not being addressed here.
Because they were playing from different cities and and using multiple connection and software to quickly reconnect if they were disconnected
And there zoom calls were also working fine so it was surely a connection problem from chess.com side
True
@@gurbaxassie4864 okth-cam.com/video/yooHzsgHd6k/w-d-xo.html
Chill we get it, there was a global server crash due to which chess.com's server crashed, I must've read like 50 comments suggesting the same smh
Then read one more
It's good that there are many comments regarding this topic because, in future, when someone will watch this video,they will not get the full picture of what actually happened. Agad missed out on very essential information which can affect someone's perspective towards this issue.
I am not saying what is right and what is wrong but all points should have been put by Agad.
Read one more
Been a crazy fan of agad since so many years now! Couldn't understand why he conveniently chose to ignore mentioning the server crash?
Not sure if there is a protocol for such a thing. Makes me curious what is the protocol if during a offline match there is an earthquake? What is the official stance during such a scenario
+1
+1
-1, don't be a stupid conspiracy theorist, he simply didn't know
The games lost on time.. one was definitely winning for india, FIDE official admitted this in live stream on Chessbase india and the other game was a drawish position..
and the fault was not of internet disconnection on the player's end.. this lead to the decision..
At the time he explained this Anish Giri too was on the same stream..
I think in case of internet disconnectivity, india would have lost definitely.. earlier this kind of decision was taken in India Vrs Armenia where it was not proven beyond doubt that there was no internet disconnection, Armenia's appeal was rejected, However this was server issue..
And Strangely Vladimir Kramnik PREDICTED THIS RESULT on the same stream at the beginning.!!!! (Obviously he was joking but who would have thought of this?)
It was proven beyond doubt that there was a server problem in one of the game played by Armenia player. All other players were having proper internet connection. Only Martirosyan was having problem in his game. And Armenia players except for Levon were playing from the same room. Don’t just give out half truth. Present the full truth.
@@kawln12 but chess.com servers were also checked in Armenia's case but no issue was find. And yesterday there was a worldwide server issue. That's why gold was shared
winning in time?
Soumyadeep Vishwakarma no fault was find? Then explain why all other Armenian players were having connection. I’m not against sharing gold.
@@kawln12 I too sympathize with Armenia but yesterday there was a world wide server issue and there are many evidences for that. If Armenia could have proved that there was a server issue on a large scale, I think something could've been done. Btw I don't think they should have walked out of tournament in that manner, India too won again Poland in Armageddon after losing first match.( Levon was one of my fav player)
for those who would be watching this video much later: India was completely winning in women's junior board and it was a draw in men's junior board so overall it would be a draw. Indian players disconnected not because of internet issues but due to global internet outage (may be server crashed). So normally Armageddon would be on board which is totally unpredictable.
This feels like a kid fight....
RUSSIA:-
"How DARE you ALSO WIN?"
"I don't CARE IF IT WAS CHESS.COM'S FAULT!"
"FIDE DISCRIMINATION AGAINST LEVO ARONIAN!"
Bruh, chill. If you ain't informed well, you should not open your mouth.
3 disconnects is 3 disconnects.
are you informed?
@@3DHDcat Yes By your logic we should just let chess.com choose the winners. Just make all the other players disconnect and the one team they want wins.
Also please check, I totally get your viewpoint if it was due to personal connections but this was not, servers of Cloudflare, the hosting service of chess.com, crashed. You can Google it, cloudflare 27 minute outage.
It's a pity we have to share the title with Russia. If not for these disconnections we were at an advantages in the boards. And honestly wanted to see our team fight to the end, regardless of whether they won or not. Though I believe we would have won. So yes, a pity we have to share the title with Russia anyway.
Lol😂
@@ln9296 Much better than you ever will be.
Okay decision! Remmember, in a hundred years they will just say: "2020 event was played online"
Agad "Reasonable Amount of Drama" Mator
This is the first time he’s ever said that, this makes no sense
@@xa-1274 But he said it.
Samuel Pearlman this format is used to joke about something people say all the time, not a sentence that was said a single time
@@xa-1274 lol format police, I'm using it to describe him, not what he says. Thanks for the upvote though!
Samuel Pearlman I’m not format police, I’m informing you on how the format is and should be used, not virtually arresting you. Know the difference
Had there not been an internet outage, Humpy wouldn't have been under time pressure and most likely would have drawn her game alongside Nihal and Divya was totally going to crush Shuvalova. The title was clearly in India's bag, however, they had to share it with Russia under such unfortunate circumstances and yet Ian and Alexandra are crying on twitter claiming that they deserved to be the sole winner. I didn't want to be this toxic but just look at their audacity
I always find Ian nepo behaviour disrespectful. Whenever he loses any game he don't even shake hand like a gentleman.See how anand, Vidit, Kramnik, Ivanchuk behave when they lose.
@@shahankhan4585 True
15:34 Masnus already set a standard what to do with "disconnect" when he played Ding Liren nuff said.
(for those who don't know he just resigned the next game, voluntarily)
After all he is the World champion, in title and in people's heart
That's why Magnus is best for everyone's heart. And not arrogant like Nepo
FIDE gave Gold Medals to both Russia and India.
Kindly give a medal to this guy Antonio Radic for his true passion towards Chess.
Silver medals are left.
And for conveniently avoiding facts like global internet outage to support his narrative.
It's really difficult for me to digest that Agad does not know about the Global Internet Outage was the actual reason for the disconnection of the players and not their personal internet! I am an old subscriber of the channel and love agad for his work. But not mentioning this fact makes me unhappy!
Same here. I have been following for quite some time now but never have I found him blundering in any of his videos.
Hey when Divya and nihal got disconnected, Divya was completely winning and nihal's position was a drawish, so the game would have very likely been a draw so the Russian captain also accepted that sharing the 1st place was reasonable
And it was not the internet issue, it was the server issue, that's why that decision was took
Ikr?
@@Adwik_Mishra well agadmator got it wrong, I'm explaining it to him
There was a tie for first place in the Spelling Bee contest in May 2019 in Washington DC. There were seven or eight young people who were delighted that the marathon event ended because the students were able to spell...well...everything. It was late and the young participants knew they had stumped the organizers. And perhaps most of all, they may have felt that sleep was the most pressing need.
You should have mention about Globle outage of cloudfare.
Seems like in every variation other than what was played, white was winning. Respect to Nepo for his chess. But no respect for his childish tweets.
I've been going through some of the older Agadmator videos and the newer ones, and you've come an incredibly long way in providing good insight and great entertainment! Much love
There was a difference in the reason of disconnection .
Only one Armenian player got disconnected but in the finals a lot Indian chess.com servers got crashed and it was global internet outrage as well .
That's why Indian appeal was more legit, anyway every Indian was hoping for a rematch in the three boards even we didn't like the win this way.
exactly!
Why does it matter that it was a global outtage or if a local ISP had an outtage. Players were as equally disconnected!
@@totaltotal157 ooth-cam.com/video/yooHzsgHd6k/w-d-xo.html
@@totaltotal157It was not about just disconnection , it was about whether it was a technical fault from Player's side or Chess.com side .
Even India lost two matches against Mongolia in which one was lost because the move can't be registered and other due to internet connection which we accepted without getting salty toward the opponents.
Whole Indian team showed empathy towards Armenian team unlike today when even after winning Russian team is acting like cry babies.
If you don’t get a connection is almost never your fault.
It’s either an ISP outtage or a national outtage.
A very bold and a good decision as it was due to bad connection and not about best man winning.... a joint winner or all matches shd have been played again... so happy to see FIDE taking this decision...
Nepo is never a sport look at his face when nihal sarin crushed him he couldn't even shake hi hand after the game 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is what came to my mind when I read nepo's tweet 😂
Nepo"crybaby"niatchi
I think whole russian team is like that. Divya harika humpy vidit all were crushing russians yesterday .
Nepo is really like Ricky Pointing of cricket, He is good player but keep cribbing all the time :)
@@GeetaBapat I like Ricky please don't say that😂😂😂😂 he is more like afridi
Video should be corrected or taken offline. Many don't read the comments and stay misinformed.
Its best to be re-uploaded so that the misinformed get the complete picture.
Well.. based on tweets by anand and modi, others can get misinformed too. It does seem worded as india won and congrats russia for putting up a fight. (Rather than saying them as joint winners) So, its not like u will tell them to retweet
Chess today. The king is the president. Queen is the prime minister. Rook is general. Knight and bishop are colonels. The pawn is the captain / lieutenant
Well agad that was not a disconnection ..
That was big server crash ...
So even if nothing like that would happened the match will end in a draw ...
Because divya is winning ..and nihals match was drawish ...so it is hard to say ...
It could go wrong for Russia ..
I don't think it's a unfair decision to declare joint winner ...
And of course this case way different from the case of Armenia ...
Even i am not fully satisfied with this decision because India could be the sole winner ....
Nothing is wrong with me but i am sure something must be wrong with you ...
Are you defending agad ..
..
@@djbandoghosh2632 true that bro
its an unfair result for both teams ,, matches should have been allowed to restart or replayed ,,,
Ian do you want another 17 moves miniature
Hahaha
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I respect Nepo's style of play and his strength as a chess player but I didn't like his reaction to the decision. It was definitely a global outage (and not a disconnect) due to which both Nihal and Divya were unable to continue. Just so you know,Every player from India plays from different cities. And everyone in the live stream was experiencing issues with their chess.com accounts.
stfu , its online,if u r disconnected u lose. losers have always reasons to lose.
@@dolphin6699 they didn't disconnect. The server crashed. EA sports was down as well.
Humpy too lost on some time as mentioned by Emil in live stream due to disconnection
Ich Liebe Gymnastik bro I got it but it’s not fair for both the team, atleast they should have played Armageddon randomly between two players. Would have been grt btwn Nepo and Anand.
@@dolphin6699 that would've been great but it seems utterly foolish to blame the players for disconnection when its not even remotely their fault
Simply repeat the 3 games that had connection problems and hope for the best.
He so Yammy That’s the same thing I said. It’s like when in soccer there’s a thunderstorm so they interrupt the match. What are they gonna do? They’re gonna play that match another day, and that’s what Fide should have done
I agree that's what all Indians were saying, but Russian captain for some reason, agreed to be the joint winner, now his teammates are trash tweeting all over the place
@@losfregiatoremagico4231 Thing is I can understand why FIDE won't want to enforce this. Imagine people purposely disconnecting when they have losing positions. Pretty sure that's what they're conscious of, but I still say rematch. The games were entertaining and I'm pretty sure no one would have a problem, especially because it was unfair.
@@anakedviking6737 Why would he do that? Is it Grischuk, if I may ask? If it is then why would he do that? It was very obvious that not everyone would agree with the result. Should've accepted the proposal and played for a single champion. Just like it should always be.
@@hesoyammy9438 I doubt it. I mean, if what everyone is saying is right, Armenia lost the game 'cause it was a player connection problem and not a general server problem like in India's case, so if you willingly disconnect you lose, if there's a verified problem you get a rematch, simply as that.
Ty for showing this game. Its hard to believe Rxf2 was not in Nepo's Grunfeld files because the engine doesn't even realise it's there until very high depths!! If not, even more incredible, Grunfeld is always exciting!
That's because rf2 is not a sound sacrifice. A computer would win as white after that move
yeah ,, that was so awesome ,,
Ask SAMAY RAINA, time loss was due to server crash of chess.com but not internet disconnect
Never expected such low sportsman spirit from Russian team .
Exactly
i am an indian and all the facts presented in comment about global internet issues are right i just want to throw light to the fact that armenia also proved that there connection was sufficiently stable
Brother they are disconnected because of chess.com server issue thats why decision comes to it... In Armenia case FIDE said that there was no problem with server....
The difference between Armenia game and today was that today there was a Global outage of Cloudfare system which is used by Chess.com . Amazon was also down!
First of all vishy write "WE", that includes Russians and Indians both not only Indians.
And second Narendra Modi just congratulating indians that he always do when someone achieve something like that.
Your right
Are you an indian
I am
Yeh bro I'm Indian too
@@chikarabhai8527 oh ok 😊😊😊 if no connections issues were there india would be the single winner
Mark my words..this will be one of the highest viewed videos of agadmator's chess channel
Very unlikely.
It was a server crash not disconnection from players
Sharing gold in the finals is new in chess but Indians are not new to witness such rare occasions , thanks to the champions trophy of cricket.
The final of the 2002 ICC Champions Trophy was rained-out twice, on 29 and 30 September 2002 at the R. Premadasa Stadium, Colombo. The final was scheduled to play between Sri Lanka cricket team and the India cricket team on 29 September 2002. In the end both teams were declared champions of champions trophy. 😎
Yesterday there was a major outbreak in cloudflare servers run by google. Almost every thing uses these servers. So yesterday there was a huge disturbance in the internet everywhere, specially the services which uses sockets (to make a long term connection). Not just chess, but DOTA matches were also affected (Omega league).
Agad, based on your earlier videos watched, it was evident that you do reasonable research before commenting. However, sad to to say this time that you brought a video and commented in a hurry without obtaining sufficient knowledge about the situation. As many commented here, Indian players were not disconnected, rather they were a part of global internet outage which not only affected the chess but lot of other areas.
Not so good for a TH-camr like you commenting on such a important event and topic without prior knowledge and presenting it in a different way. Isn't it awkward for you that people following you giving you the updates on actual situation rather than vice versa?
We will expect more mature comments/response from you in such type of situations going forward
Whatever the reason the end result was that players got disconnected. Doesn’t matter whether it’s a local or national ISP outtage or local servere outtage.
The result is that you get disconnected.
@@totaltotal157 Disconnected because of shitty infrastructure from the organizers , there is a difference here .
Its organizers duty to provide a smooth game , and not to put a person/team under grave disadvantage because of their fault .
if you can't understand these principles , better spend some time in honing your logical skills .
@@totaltotal157 Generally, the word disconnect is used when the connection is lost due to local issues such as power failure, poor internet. When there is a big issue either from the server side or global issues, it is mentioned specifically rather than just saying the player got disconnected. And yes, It does matter because the choice of words determines the intent or awareness
@@i_love_god10 he was more concerned about the outcome. No definition of disconnect should lead to this outcome.
There should've been rematches or some other arrangements.
@@totaltotal157 Not sure what do you mean by "he was more concerned about the outcome". The outcome was both the teams were declared winners. Agad barely spoke about it in the video (may be in few seconds). The focus of his speech was the disconnect issue and the point is- he never mentioned the real reason behind it. Rather, he sounded like declaring India as a co-winner was unfair (though he didn't specifically mentioned it but that's how the interpretation comes out specially for a lay-man not aware of the issue at all). If you read other comments you will see almost everyone tried to educate him on the real reason he failed to mention. Not sure if this was intentional or due to his ignorance, however, in either case, it wasn't expected from him and wasn't welcomed by the most.
it was a global internet outrage
not an internet disconnection
its very disheartening to know that such grandmasters are being rude and not respecting fide decision
It's not that they were disconnected, it was a global server crash which effects not only them but many around the world
This "Hello every one" cheers me every time i hear it you the best bro 💖🤞
Stop being a virgin
@@nk6184 pretty sure you are a virgin here
Saurus says the obvious virgin
Agad 1st time felt you're research was not full you missed cdn
What does cdn stand for?
Content distribution network failure
As AG said, the situation is like, suppose you were playing over the board in a hall, it was your turn to move but suddenly a huge earthquake hit the town and you had to clear the hall immediately without making any move. When you came back you saw the time was over. Would you accept the lose? Well, I think it's better to say the match was abandoned because of infrastructure failure. You can claim to resume the match from that particular position but in online chess, it is not possible because in the meantime the players could have analysed the game on engine. So rematch on all the 3 boards would be fair (but in that case some people would say, India is given a second chunce!). Remember, India didn't appeal to be the winner, it was Fide's decision.
@Agad I think you could have analyzed the situation more deeply and mentioned that it was the cloud server's fault. Definitely gonna loose some of your justToEnjoyTheShow viewers.
Nobody can stop an act of god , but they can certainly stop a server issues , by choosing better servers . players shouldn't pay the brunt for FIDE's shitty infrastructure's fault .
That's why the real time Board Chess has been the real game not like these virtual online games, which always tend to run into problems.
I just love recollecting Ian's reaction when Nihal beat him bad, despite being low at the clock, I hope this coronavirus situations go back to normal again and we fans get to see the good old On Board Chess games again.
"Nepo rarely plays what is often"
That's the perfect description of Nepo
For the disconnected games, in your opinion what was the status of the game?
It was due to global outrage. ...the players didn't voluntarily disconnect ....it looks like u have blundered a video . Be sure with ur words and don't lose ur progress as u have a fan base in India as well .
Agadmator, I respect your work. Vishy is a legend. If you have read his book ‘mind master’ you would have known that he doesn’t like controversies. So he would be the last person to mock Russia. So we shouldn’t dig up and look for the meaning behind the tweet.
Also Modi’s tweet, he just congratulated our country players and also congratulated Russia for being joint winners.
I don’t see how else they should have tweeted. Indian chess community, especially the players are very humble. Proud of our players 🇮🇳
The thing is there was a global outage which caused the nihal and divya to lose on time. The main point is nihal's game was drawn and divya was on the verge of mating her opponent. Like plus 5 with mate ensuing. So if not for global outage which crashed chess.com's server it would have ended 3-3 . So they awarded the gold to both. Pointing out it was not a problem on behalf of India's internet connection. Then russia would have won according to rules. But another point is similar thing happened to armenia in qf against India and their appeal was rejected. Thus the levon tweet. That's the whole summary of the decision.
P.S. I think the viewership on samay channel definitely influenced the decision as they were at a risk of upsetting 68k live chess enthusiasts
It makes me happy to know that there is a professional, top-rated chess player named "Humpy".
*Day 2 of Olympiad *
Ind vs mangolia
India lost 2 points
because of Internet disconnection ( to be more specific both games were clearly winning )
No one appealed for any thing
And players had arranged proper internet connections by themselves
Even humpy skipped one round after that just because she might again lose because of internet . India won all the matches after that beating China, India tops the group and qualify to quarter finals
*Ind vs Armenia quarter finals *
Armenia lost connection the appealed for it their appeal was rejected and they WITHDREW from tournament they didn't even try to equalize by playing second round and it was totally their choice to walk away.
India vs Russia finals
First round all six games were drawn
In the second round 3 games were drawn
- Divya was clearly winning she has 30 sec or so
-nihal was worse but he manages to equalize position he has 20 sec
-Humpy was not winning but she got 2 mins
And BAMmmmm
-Divya lost on time
-Nihal lost on time
-Humpy left with 18 sec only
There was a problem with server of cloudflare which is global issue for almost most of the online gaming industries even EAsports has stopped because of that u can even check log online it was confirmed by FIDE that it's not internet disconnection of players it was global server issue then they review games and conclude this decision because either way it was going to be draw match
So I think India was the first country to have disadvantage of Internet disconnection issue at day 2 of Olympiad yet we managed to win this tournament and remember players have work hard day and night and infact there was not a single match in final that Russia has won fair and square. Each and every game was drawn
Deserving winner India
proud to be Indian
Jay hind
I think in a way this result fits in perfectly as well for the first *"Online"* Olympiad tournament.
last time I was this early, duda blundered a game on move 69 to ANAND
little question, at 7:13 why not rook f4 check after the queen blocks? king has only h3 square and u pick up the queen
Nihal never loses on time😂
About Agad's comment on the fact that disconnections during chess games will probably occur more often, I think Levon's tweet on resuming the game with the same time and position probably makes sense? At least it seems like a possible option going forward. Hikaru, in a separate video also mentioned, the difficulty with these decisions are that they're usually rushed and made on the spot, whereas at least now we have feedback from both the players and the fans.
I think you should clarify what really happened in one or two sentences even because what you said is not totally true & obviously as you can see the Indian Chess Community is not going to be happy with you#Agad
Nah I'm happy with him, can't talk for others but I can understand him not getting his facts right, he hasn't really followed this tourney otherwise he definitely would've covered a lot of games from this olymiad. So don't get angry on agad, he is sorry about that and he'll find the best move next time in a couple of seconds
Ik@bhavesh das
technology in online communication will never be flawless unfortunately. So human judgment on different situations needs to be expected and honored. I agree with the decision and good to have two gold Champion teams
You've mispelled 'Gujrathi' as 'Gurjathi'. Please check and correct it.
I love your channel but from the past few months as your channel has grown up a lot i don't think you put the same effort as you did in the past
1st round was 3-3 and 2nd round got 3 games impacted due to server outages which were confirmed by @chesscom logs
IMO, conducting 2nd round again was the best choice but their decision is not bad as well.
Sharing the 1st prize is not a first..
Antonio, always enjoy your content. Do you ever show your matches?
Well, the players didn't loose internet, it was a global internet outage due to Cloudfare crash which led to chess com Indian servers to crash along with many other places and thousands of players across the world got disconnected at the same time from chess com. How's this case similar to an Armenian player losing his connection with no fault of chess com as they claim? RIP logic.
I understand that internet connections vary significantly depending on location, but is there no way for a country to ensure their top level players have a backup connection via satellite or something? With larger fan bases like India and Russia, you would think someone in their chess community could provide a satellite receiver. As long as your laptop is fully charged, and/or you have a battery backup, you could lose power and/or have a major server crash and still have internet connection without interruption.
Alternatively, why not just pause the timer until they reconnect? Both players would have the same amount of extra time to evaluate the position while disconnected, so it's fair. Is the issue that players could cheat while their live feed is disconnected? If that's the case, why not have them record the feed from their cameras, with a clock in view, and have them submit the recording immediately after the match to prove they didn't cheat while their internet was down? Cameras don't need internet to function and editing the videos without it being obvious would be very difficult.
The Indian govt doesn't care about chess
@@akankshagarg6974 chessbase.in/news/The-support-by-Government-of-India-towards-Indian-chess#:~:text=So%2C%20while%20the%20corportates%20still,our%20youngsters%20and%20top%20players.
Indian government does care about chess and so is private sector. Now don't compare cricket with chess.
indian players weren't disconnected, rather server crashed itself, while armenia's player lost connection. Please first gather full information before spreading rumors
Its not internet connection...
it was server issue
When you are too early and don't have to mention it
Mission failed
@@Whatnoww Mission Failed Successfully
When the disconnection happened what was the position of the players ?
Whether it was winning/draw/loss is also been considered I guess
It's actually a common sence
Anand said "we are the champion" tht means if u take it as we indians are champion that is also true bcz both ind and russia are champion so wht the problem in it he also congratulate russia also for 1st postion.... if any russian plyr also twited like this as aanad does for exmple"we r the champions, cogrts india" thts also the same.... so dnt take this unnecessary our PM also congrulate any sports tournament when india won either it's sharing a frst position he actually appricaited india plyr for all their efforts in ths tournament.... i m a big fun of ur channel bt ths tym u hurt me a lot sorry for ths bt its actually hurt💔💔
Rightly said brother he is making unnecessary Conterversy, unknowing any of the facts
I like how Indian players after losing to Mongolia respected FIDE's decision. Shows their character.
I think the decision was correct as divya was completely winning and nihal had a draw position
That would have meant Russia won the match 3.5-2.5 so
@@Drini666 No it would have been 3-3
@@Drini666 do your calculations right. AND, Humpi lost time due to the outage.
I dont think agad said anything wrong.....he just said that there has not been an official statement yet....and he will clarify the situation later so nothing to get offended .....yeah nepo's tweet is quite offensive considering the decision was taken after he agreed.....I understand levon's feelings as he claims there was no glitch on their side so of course he feels this to be unfair....anyone would especially since it was a quarterfinal(or semi?) ....so all in all only nepo's comment seems to be hypocritical ....which I actually am not surprised of as he has said and done that earlier too I mean he is not one of the most polite persons in this world
EDIT: Clearly agad doesnt know all the details and therefore said neither for nor against FIDE presidents decision....he will sure clarify once he gets well informed about this
I feel like the 2 rounds should have been played again and then the winner would be whichever team wins in the finals.
Please explain
Instead of 5:45 Kxf2 what is C4 was played??
Guys please don't dislike it, it's an honest mistake due to his lack of knowledge about the situation..After all its agadmator..❤️❤️
He wants to state his opinion on the descision, then he can deal with the dislikes of people who disagree with him. It comes with the territory.
Yeah, what a wild draw! Phew for Yan, good comeback for Vidit to cause this settlement for one! Great coverage. Thx.
The disconnect occurred because of a mass internet supplier cloudafare servers crashing.
An excellent game and nice demonstration agadmator.... 👍👍👍
You're sending the wrong message by saying player got disconnected. SERVER CRASHED!! The difference is huge. And also you didn't speak about Divya's position, if you spoke about it you wouldn't say "player disconnected" or "lost on time"
Agad, it was not connection issues from the Indian players. It was a chess.com server issue. Chess.com uses Cloudflare, a 3rd party server. The server issues caused many outages in many areas. You can find it if you google Cloudflare status and see what happened at that time.
That is why the FIDE president decided to give both teams the medals. However, I'm not sure why they didn't go for another solution like armageddon?
Edit: Also, it doesn't make sense to start a game after you stopped it. The players have had extra time to analyze it. So maybe a new game with a bit of advantage to the side that had a good position.
Legend watched it live!!
Can anyone relate to this?
I am really proud of Agadamator for showing this matter so beautifully !
In spite of all the things happened , we know that both the teams played great chess and are the real winners !
he was literally biased and spreading misinformation. he said indian players disconnected instead of telling that there was a global outage. he didnt even mention about who was winning the matches for example divya was completely winning but she couldnt play anymore
First time agad is upsetting his viewers 😪😪😪
And by the way i liked when you said our pm's name🙂🙂🙂
Agadmator, you have misintepreted the result a bit. Divya deshmukh was completely winning and Nihal had a complete draw in the match. So in the second round as well the score would have tied. But due to disconnections from the Cloudflare server, according to a tweet from Chess.com, many members lost connections at once. Nihal and Divya were completely fine in the Zoom meeting so it is definitely not their internet issue, it was the Chess.com server issue. As a result, at the end, the final results were a bit confusing so the President decided to act accordingly.