To all my young guys here, please never let “agendas” controll you like it does swipa. Theres is no reason as a grown man in your 30s that you should get that frustrated or riled up everytime you hear jokic and Giannis in the same conversation or that annoyed when someone says anything negative about jokic.
I mean who gets more riled up? Swipa or Pen? Cuz i 100% feel like it's Pen. Swipa will admit Jokic flaws. Pen tries to make excuses for them and crashes out every time Jokic gets negative feedback. Idk if something happened in this streams to say otherwise for Swipa though. Commenting this before watching the vide9
It genuinely isn’t this deep. They talk ball and it gets crazy sometimes cause they have their personal agendas but you’re tripping if you think either of them are letting the way they feel about Jokic as a player effect them in their regular day to day lives. It’s for content.
I have a Dream that one day we will have a peaceful draft on PC, that one day we won’t act like it’s life or death, one day we won’t debate every pick and act like there is money on the line. I promise yall that one day we will just have a good time and enjoy making picks in a draft that will never affect our lives after Ron pushes the end stream button.
The topic isn’t bad, but they probably don’t realize they argue the same exact thing every time and nothing has changed, it’s like there following a script. Swipa going to repeat for the millionth time the minutes with joker and the minutes w/o. Ron going to say It’s always been close. Marz is going to say well if joker hitting his jumper it’s not close at all but he going to bring up joker rim protection as negative but also brings Giannis midrange. Chill is going to act live he never heard these numbers before that Swipa brings up which is funny but I’m going to attribute that to age 😂😂 and Ox is going to leave and come back 30 minutes later . It happens every time nothing different.
@ that’s true tbf he had the right intentions this draft (although I do feel like Powell is genuinely playing at an all star level this year and it’s very possible this is who he can be for a few years. The volume and efficiency as a number two option is right up there. And if this is who he would of been his whole career he would of probably made a couple all star games at least)
Huh, how is this even a question. I thought this is known the impact of Zach Lavine better so it makes him better, that should be it. Zach athleticism, scoring ability, and versatility make him a more dynamic individual player than Jamal Murray, and it impacts to winning more than Jamal.
@@alainlamour5868 Playing next to one of the best Offensive engines Of all time, Lavine does almost everything on a basketball court better than him, if he was in Denver he would not be struggling like Jamal is RN, And him hitting those 2 shots changed how y’all look at him that series cuz he was terrible 😂
Is it wild for me to say that a steph being a bad defender is easier to cover for than jokic? You’re basically damning yourself to having a horrible rim defence with jokic which thereby causes breaks downs because they have to over help at the rim to protect him leaving shooters open.
I feel like making a list of all star caliber players before the draft would of would of allowed for a more consistent list. The vagueness of what an al star caliber player allowed for Jalen Johnson to be picked as an role player for some reason.
Yall should’ve ranked the top 50 players in the NBA and then tiered them by Top 20, Top 35, and Top 50. Then let everyone choose 1 from each division and then fill the rest of the roster with role players. It would take 2 episodes but at least it would be an agreed upon criteria.
Saying Tyler herro has been better than Cade is hilarious. The only thing he has over him is efficiency. But Cade has been the better rebounder, passer, and defender this season
Tyler’s sneaky a great rebounding guard and also has VASTLY improved his playmaking. The thing is his has been so much better in conjunction with this that he’s controlling the entire game at times with shooting splits similar to a 25 yo Steph curry (before the super leap).
And yes Marz as a bucks fan giannis is out there with literally everybody that’s plays for us from Bobby all the way to Stanley umede but swipa wonders why his “on/off” stats are so bad😂
The only reason why i dont think Darius garland wont make the all star team is because other guards play on worse teams where they play more minutes (dg only plays 30 cause we blow people put) and cause they dont have a donovan mitchell next to them. You ask most Cav fans DG has been the best guard on the team but he’s just not as clouted as Dmitch. But even then i only think dame brunson cade are the only guards who have played better. Also Ron won the draft
@ like when chill said the other day he would have Mitch on first team i just laughed. Mitch has been our 3rd best player (mobley has been the best you right). Mitch been good but the others have def been better
Jokic plays elite defense when he's motivated, but slacks off on defense when he's pissed off, like he was during the infamous Wizards game. This isn't regression; this is Jokic needing to pull himself together mentally. We should expect him to do exactly that over the next few weeks.
@@BIGOXMedia He held Anthony Davis to 6/19 shooting in his game against the Lakers this year. Is that not elite defense? It's clear he's sometimes capable of it. The problem is that he can't do it consistently because he keeps getting pissed off.
Jordan was crying his heart out over Zach Lavine “he’s on a bum team !! “ team record is not the end all be all of making an all star while Mitch Richmond was collecting all star appearance when missing the playoffs for majority of them.
Beal missed all stars averaging 30 on bad teams. Same with trae averaging 27. Wins do matter most the time. Sometimes guys on bad teams do make it for sure. But just sometimes.
How many of you casuals noticed that guys are getting paid lots of money from outside just to sit vs Joker and they are all getting paid a lot from outside just to play vs Luka? Not many, I know. But there is an agenda going on, and I can prove it too.
I agree with swipa man embiid aint their in the head bro. All the injuried are getting to him. That was flop but we seen them normally he hard crashed out
He went to the refs face got a tech was being pulled away by his teammates and was still talking. he got a second tech when he was nowhere near the ref and wasnt even facing them. then when he got the second one thats when he crashed out. I seen many players get in refs faces like that,i seen joe mazzulla do that like 3 days ago. but now its embiid hes 'not their in the head' sounds like the kyrie 'unstable' stuff again
Marz you wrong for taking lauri markennen bruh you know that's not a role player regardless how hes playing his talent is an all star level and his role is that as well. Same with harden. Yall know what role guys are some of the most intelligent hoops talk out there but just twisting the rules for the win ig. Competitiveness over integrity ig lol
I aint twist the rules. i told everyone how this would go they said it was fine. i the clarified 600 times 'so its based on how theyre playing this year right' 'its based on if theyre all star calibre this year right' they kept saying yes. so then when i pick lauri its a problem when i followed the rules to the letter
@MarzTalksSports yeah yeah you right "technically" but in your heart of hearts you know you wrong. I just feel like you could have drafted a better team than most of them if not all without having to bend the rules to squeeze in Lauri or even Kp. Even tho I can see kp being a "role" player these days. But Lauri is nasty work lol
What he said. Trip is better than og and I love them both but a two way big who can shoot and score one on one is more valuable than a two way wing who shoots corner three's primarily. I don't think it's by much but trip clears
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Where is MOE at? We all have our own opinions but you be putting out dumb ahh comments in the Chat lol ,fawad and debate for real,don't just reply with "glazing" "you're a hater"....."Cope" lmao🍺🍻
@@Heemkeem_9 not peak dame but Tyler has def been taking over at a level comparable to dame. Actually with the shoots splits and rebounding and improved defense Imma say it. Hes been better than dame this year.
To all my young guys here, please never let “agendas” controll you like it does swipa. Theres is no reason as a grown man in your 30s that you should get that frustrated or riled up everytime you hear jokic and Giannis in the same conversation or that annoyed when someone says anything negative about jokic.
cook
Exactly, its okay to like, even love a player but at the end of the day that man does not know who you are lmao
I mean who gets more riled up? Swipa or Pen? Cuz i 100% feel like it's Pen. Swipa will admit Jokic flaws. Pen tries to make excuses for them and crashes out every time Jokic gets negative feedback. Idk if something happened in this streams to say otherwise for Swipa though. Commenting this before watching the vide9
It genuinely isn’t this deep. They talk ball and it gets crazy sometimes cause they have their personal agendas but you’re tripping if you think either of them are letting the way they feel about Jokic as a player effect them in their regular day to day lives. It’s for content.
I have a Dream that one day we will have a peaceful draft on PC, that one day we won’t act like it’s life or death, one day we won’t debate every pick and act like there is money on the line. I promise yall that one day we will just have a good time and enjoy making picks in a draft that will never affect our lives after Ron pushes the end stream button.
😂
I love ox bruh
@@BIGOXMedia W Martin Luther Ox
This daily Giannis vs Jokic debate needs to end.
Never
i wish
The topic isn’t bad, but they probably don’t realize they argue the same exact thing every time and nothing has changed, it’s like there following a script. Swipa going to repeat for the millionth time the minutes with joker and the minutes w/o. Ron going to say It’s always been close. Marz is going to say well if joker hitting his jumper it’s not close at all but he going to bring up joker rim protection as negative but also brings Giannis midrange. Chill is going to act live he never heard these numbers before that Swipa brings up which is funny but I’m going to attribute that to age 😂😂 and Ox is going to leave and come back 30 minutes later . It happens every time nothing different.
@@trytv7716damn we really do follow the same script
they both the best in their respective conference! Giannis potentially better at his very best but Jokic more valuable
We really got the most heated draft during christmas 😂😂
Ayo Ox and Ron with the “no pushback on Jamal Murray” had me in tears for 5 minutes. 😂😂
Haha we definitely not pushing back on big Mal 😂😂😂
Ox, "let's let it get a lil murky and try to have fun"
5 minutes later: SO I CAN'T GET ZACH LAVINE
People tryna get franz wagner and jaren jackson but somehow lauri markkanen the problem
Shoutout Chill, Gifted and Ron for respecting the draft. The rest of ya’ll moving like Harden manipulating these rules. (MARZS FAULT BTW)
As OX to this list
@ that’s true tbf he had the right intentions this draft (although I do feel like Powell is genuinely playing at an all star level this year and it’s very possible this is who he can be for a few years. The volume and efficiency as a number two option is right up there. And if this is who he would of been his whole career he would of probably made a couple all star games at least)
my fault?????
@MarzTalksSports you know what you were doing exploring Rons dodgy criteria😂
@MarzTalksSportsit's always your fault
This the funniest draft the entire year. Everyone reacting to marz picking bam had me dying 😂
haters
😂😂😂 Haha how did he expect to get that off? Bro is insane
Swipa is an unlikeable likeable person
Why this accurate
Legit 😂 He'a somehow as unlikeable as a likeable person can get @nickjohnson9301
@@nickjohnson9301cause his appearance says “ya he’s a cool guy”
But when you hear him speak it says “oh this guys a jackass.”
Swipa channeling his Leon The Professional look.
He’s the reason I stopped watching , I just read the comments now with the video on pause . He’s unbearable.
This was one of the best episodes on the panel, I was dying bruh😂😂
The worst but at the same time funniest draft ever 😂
Jamal Murray never in his life was better than Zach Lavine
not one day in his existence
Huh, how is this even a question. I thought this is known the impact of Zach Lavine better so it makes him better, that should be it. Zach athleticism, scoring ability, and versatility make him a more dynamic individual player than Jamal Murray, and it impacts to winning more than Jamal.
FR@MarzTalksSports
@@howitzdone8992 every playoffs against the lakers he’s performed better than Zach Lavine has ever been in his career in any game that mattered
@@alainlamour5868 Playing next to one of the best Offensive engines Of all time, Lavine does almost everything on a basketball court better than him, if he was in Denver he would not be struggling like Jamal is RN, And him hitting those 2 shots changed how y’all look at him that series cuz he was terrible 😂
Imagine being a world class athlete and seeing someone who looks like Marz trying to criticize you .
Id be mad as hell
The face Marz made when Ron said Jordan was on his way to the show, is my sentiment EXACTLY 😂
Jordan > gifted
I agree Lmaoo and I’m super low on Jordan but atleast Jordan isn’t a parrot
@@Heemkeem_9Wdym a parrot. Like he just be copying ppl
@@yahiaali4059 yup yup
Jordan is dumber than ticket he just has better etiquette
@@Heemkeem_9 I’m glad I’m not the only one who picked up on the parrot act, lol
Missed the show but merry Christmas to yous panel n chat! 💯🎄
That smokebiggs and deante been crying about their bf lebron all day 😭
That Boy OX stick to his Guys 😂 I could have predicted his whole draft if he would have got OG instead of Hart
I wanted OG that’s why I was upset that Marz and Gifted damn near forced Swipa to get him lol. I knew my team before we started 😂😂
Marz one slimey dude hahaha 😂
2:59:20-2:59:40 chill reaction to gifted saying hes the only one following the rules has me dead
Does swipa not think Jokic Defense has slipped this season
He was never good to begin with. But yeah, this season its been worse
Wat jokic would do to Ron’s team would be a war crime
I can't believe Jordan sold after picking Giannis.
Is it wild for me to say that a steph being a bad defender is easier to cover for than jokic? You’re basically damning yourself to having a horrible rim defence with jokic which thereby causes breaks downs because they have to over help at the rim to protect him leaving shooters open.
I think thats just the reality for the most part with a pg as opposed to a big
John D the steeler fan > gifted
Ron’s reading strikes again😂
Can we ban Swipa from talking about Jokic? I hate how much he only talks and glazes about him
Pen > Gifted
Oh by 100,000 miles
I feel like making a list of all star caliber players before the draft would of would of allowed for a more consistent list. The vagueness of what an al star caliber player allowed for Jalen Johnson to be picked as an role player for some reason.
This was an hilarious draft to watch
Ox doesn’t watch Pistons games no way he thinks Herro is better than Cade
@@trechasin or maybe you don’t watch Miami games
Ox is a hater ..he also hate Europeans
@@BIGOXMediano you’re drunk if you think Herro is better than Cade. Cade is literally damn near averaging a triple double please stfu
Yall should’ve ranked the top 50 players in the NBA and then tiered them by Top 20, Top 35, and Top 50. Then let everyone choose 1 from each division and then fill the rest of the roster with role players. It would take 2 episodes but at least it would be an agreed upon criteria.
Despicable hosting by Ron today
Draft should have been all-star caliber last 3 seasons
1st/2nd Ron/Chill
3rd Jordan
4th Gifted
5th OX
Gifted and Ox had the most integrity in they draft boards, Chill’s was cool too
WHAT
Saying Tyler herro has been better than Cade is hilarious. The only thing he has over him is efficiency. But Cade has been the better rebounder, passer, and defender this season
Tyler’s sneaky a great rebounding guard and also has VASTLY improved his playmaking. The thing is his has been so much better in conjunction with this that he’s controlling the entire game at times with shooting splits similar to a 25 yo Steph curry (before the super leap).
Cade Cunningham: Good basketball player
Swipa clearly doesn’t know ball
Ron blew it not taking OG and Derrick white b2b
Definitely a funny draft lmao
And yes Marz as a bucks fan giannis is out there with literally everybody that’s plays for us from Bobby all the way to Stanley umede but swipa wonders why his “on/off” stats are so bad😂
Giannis has also played with a lot of minutes with Pat and Delon Wright. Swipa doesn’t like to apply context.
@ exactly but I’m supposed to care about his “on/off” stats gtfo😂😂
@@desaunisimmons1397Fr. On/off stats can be used in bad faith if you don’t apply context with what lineups are being played with the star.
@ swipa never does that he just do what he has to do ts boost jokic 😂
@@desaunisimmons1397Fr
W marz L refs L jokic vs giannis
Cade has been better than Trae this season. Better scoring season and clears as a defender.
@@Matthew-xl5bc trae is more effiecent on 2 lest points and i agree with defense and i still think trae way better play maker this season
Brandon miller nd melo on the thumnail but bro was barely even mentioned
People mad i followed the rules of the draft. smh
You manipulated the rules… You really is a Harden guy 😂😂😂
@@teflongunsmoke4621Harden playing like an all star this year forsure
i missed the episode life please tell me y’all talked bout dub this episode
@@teflongunsmoke4621 respect HarGoat
@MarzTalksSportsif you had to pick, kyrie or harden for all star
Also should steph really make it based on how he has been shooting right now?
The only reason why i dont think Darius garland wont make the all star team is because other guards play on worse teams where they play more minutes (dg only plays 30 cause we blow people put) and cause they dont have a donovan mitchell next to them. You ask most Cav fans DG has been the best guard on the team but he’s just not as clouted as Dmitch. But even then i only think dame brunson cade are the only guards who have played better. Also Ron won the draft
I been wanting to say im not sure dmitch been the cavs been best player (i think mobley has a strong case) but i cba to have a debate about it
@ like when chill said the other day he would have Mitch on first team i just laughed. Mitch has been our 3rd best player (mobley has been the best you right). Mitch been good but the others have def been better
Marz two sides are diplomatic and machiavellian
The duality of man
If miami stays in the top 6 in the east, tyler herro will be a lock. Not even a discussion.
Than you for using your thinkbox
Why did he kick ox out 😂😂😂😂
ChillTown with is daily Orlando Magic disrespect
Thought amen shoulda went way sooner, he fell way to far.
How tf did swipe choose OG?
This shit was hilarious😂😂😂
Jokic plays elite defense when he's motivated, but slacks off on defense when he's pissed off, like he was during the infamous Wizards game. This isn't regression; this is Jokic needing to pull himself together mentally. We should expect him to do exactly that over the next few weeks.
Elite defense and Jokic should never be mentioned in the same sentence 😂😂😂
@@BIGOXMedia He held Anthony Davis to 6/19 shooting in his game against the Lakers this year. Is that not elite defense? It's clear he's sometimes capable of it. The problem is that he can't do it consistently because he keeps getting pissed off.
@ lol sure because AD going 6/19 means Jokic is an excellent defender. L MATHSKETBALL
@@BIGOXMedia Jokic was the one guarding AD that game. Are you dense?
Funny cause lamely has the number 1 guard vote
Chill, Marz, and Ron's teams move me
Marz FLEECED yall like Danny Ainge.
2015 Klay Thompson or 2015 Jimmy Butler who y’all got?
Any Jimmy over any klay
2015 klay by a mile
Man what the hell they do to Kenny
yo marz how u feel about ben simmons buy out to mavs? luka offball to ben simmons finna be crazy
is that possible?
@ apparently nets are open to buyouts so he can go for the vet min
W show
W harden
@ facts man W Harden indeed
Jordan was crying his heart out over Zach Lavine “he’s on a bum team !! “ team record is not the end all be all of making an all star while Mitch Richmond was collecting all star appearance when missing the playoffs for majority of them.
Beal missed all stars averaging 30 on bad teams. Same with trae averaging 27.
Wins do matter most the time. Sometimes guys on bad teams do make it for sure. But just sometimes.
Swipa kinda weird calling Giannis championship run weak bc if u do that then his king jokic run has to be weak as well.
Haha you expect Swipa to keep the same energy?
Swipa was tryna cheat the whole draft
Best pick of the draft is deandre hunter thats a deep cut and a hella pick gifted
Marz and Swipa y’all know what y’all did
i just followed the rules
How is Dame a lock over Trey?
?
Ron tip toed on that line the whole draft and Won the draft, W Ron
that man aint win
U chose JT as your superstar ur cooked Marz
@@howitzdone8992 nba champion btw
@MarzTalksSportsI just got to this pick how tf u get KP
@ he not playing like an all star. see how u gonna say i aint win
Luka = Bad defender take should already be deleted for this season, you guys are not catching up with the NBA.
No way nobody took Westbrook
When tf did Jamal Murray become better than Zach lavine!?????
im tryna figure it out too
@ i guess it’s because Zach on a losing team which is not good logic
Suggs was a great pick gifted swipa hating lol
Chilli WIN!!!!!! THAT IT, BLESS BABY JESUS 👑👑👑
W Draft ox
💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Cade 24 10 7 border line LeBron numbers
YALL ARE NASTY😂😂😂
happy 4th of july.
How many of you casuals noticed that guys are getting paid lots of money from outside just to sit vs Joker and they are all getting paid a lot from outside just to play vs Luka? Not many, I know. But there is an agenda going on, and I can prove it too.
I’m intrigued… how you gunna prove it though?
I agree with swipa man embiid aint their in the head bro. All the injuried are getting to him. That was flop but we seen them normally he hard crashed out
He went to the refs face got a tech was being pulled away by his teammates and was still talking. he got a second tech when he was nowhere near the ref and wasnt even facing them. then when he got the second one thats when he crashed out. I seen many players get in refs faces like that,i seen joe mazzulla do that like 3 days ago. but now its embiid hes 'not their in the head' sounds like the kyrie 'unstable' stuff again
@MarzTalksSports he is 7ft 3 300 pounds trying to chase 5ft 4 women i dont know marz lol
I don’t think buddy is wrapped too tight lol. He not the only one though, I’ll never forget how Giannis acted over that damn basketball last year 😂😂
@@BIGOXMedia giannis headbutting someone was a full crashout 🤣
@@clad_diamond Bro has definitely done some tweaking in his career
Idk why Jordan was bringing up team record in the draft it was irrelevant to the conversation
He just loves it in any topic
Giannis has always been better than joker people just like the way joker plays more
And it’s very obvious
Marz you wrong for taking lauri markennen bruh you know that's not a role player regardless how hes playing his talent is an all star level and his role is that as well. Same with harden. Yall know what role guys are some of the most intelligent hoops talk out there but just twisting the rules for the win ig. Competitiveness over integrity ig lol
I aint twist the rules. i told everyone how this would go they said it was fine. i the clarified 600 times 'so its based on how theyre playing this year right' 'its based on if theyre all star calibre this year right' they kept saying yes. so then when i pick lauri its a problem when i followed the rules to the letter
@MarzTalksSports yeah yeah you right "technically" but in your heart of hearts you know you wrong. I just feel like you could have drafted a better team than most of them if not all without having to bend the rules to squeeze in Lauri or even Kp. Even tho I can see kp being a "role" player these days. But Lauri is nasty work lol
@ i dont think i bent the rules i think showed how stupid the rules were. but yes i wouldve won regardless
Gifted cooked chill , hate to see it. Nursing home time
Marz at the start is always mad boring
Wb at the end
Ox is my guy but you're drunk ASF if you think og is better than trip
@@xavierjohnson4496 who is trip?
@@BIGOXMediaJaren Jackson Jr
What he said. Trip is better than og and I love them both but a two way big who can shoot and score one on one is more valuable than a two way wing who shoots corner three's primarily. I don't think it's by much but trip clears
@ oh, I like JJJ but OG clears
@@BIGOXMedia Its all good. To each their own.
Not having Cade on the thumbnail just goes to show how far out of touch the panel is, another Ron L. Mars gonna come up and lie and we gotta sit through getting shilled gambling propaganda. Merry Christmas parlayers choice panel
Technically, no one's forcing you to watch or listen, but we appreciate you sticking around! And yeah, we talk parlays because, well, we gotta pay our people somehow. You might have a point about the thumbnail-sometimes it's tough to decide who to feature since space is limited. Thanks for the insight, and Merry Christmas to you too-hope you enjoy the season!
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Jordan is a casual as usual
Where is MOE at? We all have our own opinions but you be putting out dumb ahh comments in the Chat lol ,fawad and debate for real,don't just reply with "glazing" "you're a hater"....."Cope" lmao🍺🍻
Moe most hated?
Cool that fraud!!!!
@@duffman1876 what did I do
@@MOE__u got cooked
@@ForeverVibez how?
Get Trae out there. Tyler and Cade both been better. And tbh Tyler and Cade might be better than dame this year too.
Hell no WTF are u watching 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ I’m watching myself and the leagues old guard getting older and these new kids dropping Jason Kidd stat lines on Steph curry shooting splits
@@alainlamour5868 non of them have been better than dame especially not Tyler hero 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
@@Heemkeem_9 not peak dame but Tyler has def been taking over at a level comparable to dame. Actually with the shoots splits and rebounding and improved defense Imma say it. Hes been better than dame this year.
@ hes not playing close to as good as dame rn my guy lmao