The reason why “Hillbilly Elegy” was lavished with praise originally, I’m sure, is that elites read it as a “there but for the grace of god go I” story. Vance deserved praise for hating his mom and abandoning his a family. If he had clung to his prior life he would have never become the bicoastal elite god intended him to be.
You nailed it. J.D. Vance is a dishonest narrator that's full of repressed rage. If he really cared about his family, he wouldn't be having this subconscious rage against his own mother, and wouldn't be telling this story in this way.
They had the right idea, but they went about it the wrong way at least partially. He got bullied for being able to read and his mom and aunt weren’t the same person. He should’ve been bullied for being the psychotic demon he’d become. I also say partially because they were correct to bully him for being from Ohio though and he’s a narc.
@@Big73Red - Very true. He is a dumb narc and altogether such a boring mundane figure. Amber's right, there are absolutely zero stakes or conflict of any kind driving the story. I doubt that he was even bullied to the extent shown in the film.
@@nachomanrandysauvage8257 I think it was one of the Trillbilly boys (can’t remember which one off the top of my head) said that it’d have been much more interesting to see a movie about the mom and grandma and I completely agree. Give me that movie or give me a movie where Vance’s character is a psychotic chud like irl and in the book. I’d take a movie where I absolutely hate the protagonist and hope he’d fail over what we got.
Im not a guy who's troubled by spoilers, telling a tale doesn't marr the cinematic spectacle for me. and besides, most movies are essentially the same. If you still get surprised at plot twists in fast and furious 8 your parents made you play pop warner football way too early in life. This description plus my knowledge of JD Vance makes it a pass for me. On a positive note, im glad Ron Howard had his recent DUI expunged by directing this movie.
I will bet that the reason he included the scene where he objects to the word redneck, is because in Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 11/9 movie, Richard Ojeda describes the term redneck in a positive way and relates it to the 20th century labor movement.
I haven't read the book nor seen the movie, but listening to this episode, my reaction is: That's it? This is the story that received such glowing reviews a few years back, a kid throwing out a calculator and then retrieving it?
It is worth noting, on the subject of "I have to choose between my dying mom or this interview" that in the book, Vance brags that he has so many interview offers that he just stops showing up for them at some point.
Any way you could reach out to Chris about doing a compilation of their JD Vance riffs like you did with Rod? Would be great now that he's the new Mike Pence
38:46 you can rollerskate on opiates just fine. yes they can be a downer - depending on type & dosage - but a lot of it is simply elation & euphoria. heck yeah rollerskating around like a psycho, that would rule while high
exactly, people dont think about drugs hitting everybody differently. opiates give me energy until i start like literally laying down and then i’d nod off, but yeah had some very productive opiated days.
34:10 them talking about the "fatass" scene and it developing into a Caleb situation was so fucking funny. I always relisten to the Caleb Jacoby story, too good.
(In the City of Cincinnati Appalachian people are considered an acknowledged minority. One can be Appalachian without being white if you or your parents or grandparents came from "the hills." It is its own culture.) ¶ What is funny about this analysis is that J.D. Vance while trying to appear like the everyman Appalachian fits the Thomas Franks idea that liberal-neoliberals-elite or PMCs where they see the problems in the world as just an education problem. If you do good tests, get into the right university, and get the right kind of degree the world is your oyster. If you don't succeed that is obviously your fault. The point is not too much different than Hillary and Bill's view that they will trash the industry but if the government provides education and retraining, it will all be okay. It wasn't, however: it cost her the Midwest electoral votes due to NAFTA and WTO Vance is part of the elite and he isn't all that different than Hillary and Bill in values. ¶ I have wondered if Thiel and Vance are doing a kind of right-wing triangulation between the different desperate alt-right groups to form a story that will work with the demise of democracy they have wet-dreams over and the installation of modern day Huey Long though a dumb Huey Long.
@Antonio-Gransci That’s a good question. because I picked Huey being glib. “The Great White Hope” the current “aristocracy” were hoping for was DeSantis but despite his Yale degree, he’s not smart politically. They want a Viktor Orbán, or closer to home a George Wallace or Lester Madox. With Long, they wouldn’t have liked him because Long and his brothers weren’t naive and one-dimensional as Trump. Long’s legacy or history was killed pretty much by Robert Penn Warren’s book ALL THE KINGS MEN which wasn’t a portrait of the real Kingfish but a facsimile. Big business (think oil) and the aristocracy of Louisiana & the US aristocracy, in general, didn’t like Huey. Huey stepped on the same toes as Mohammad Mosaddegh did in Iran or Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala with “Every Man a King.”
I would hate this in that setting. I found the scene where she was high and rollerskating and the one where she was using in the bathroom nauseating and triggering. Whoever suggested that is irresponsible.
When I saw the thumbnail for this I assumed it was a comedy and glenn close was a man... Kinda like a bad grandma type thing.... I decided to watch some of it as I enjoy these reviews more when I know what the fuck they are talking about... Boy does this movie suck shit.
There’s like a point in your opioid highs where you like go clean shit naked but the dosages ramp up so quickly it’s like within a few months your high is just nodding out. But yeah it doesn’t like make you behave like a fucking lunatic snd do crazy shit
they had a similar big change between the parents. Book, she begs him to quit the mine and it's killing him. He asks where would they live, because they have no money. She says one of the most loving things ever, she'd live under a tree if it means she gets to live with him. Movie, she screams about leaving him, and he taunts her, oh yeah, where you gonna live? She screams, I'd live under a tree to get away from you.
Love you Amber, but you are very wrong about how people outwardly behave / feel on opiates. Yeah sometimes when you're on a heavy nod you want a nap, but for 8 years the only way I could get the energy to get thru the day was with 100mg of oxy or atleast a few points of hammer
She high-tailed it to NYC as soon as she could. Then she moved to LA after that. her repping Appalachia has always been the most stolen valor crap ever when the rest of her image is some NYC culture critic / art ho
Alcohol withdrawal is absolutely deadly, depending on what a person drank and for how long. They say to always taper off if you can't get prescribed anything to help rather than ever going cold turkey because the risk of seizure is so high.
It's weird that he calls Ron Howard a "middling director" not that long after calling Gal Godot "not that good looking". Criticize all you want, but at least do it correctly.
She's like a 6 1/2 in Hollywood. Definitely nothing compared to a Angelina Jolie at that age or Olivia wild or Rose Byrne. I've seen prettier girls in a LA pizzeria.
I love chapo. But Vance has a little bit of truth here. He shouldn't be a senator. He should have just written his book and had it be what it is. So he doesn't handle a heroin addicted mother correctly. So his mom can do heroin but he can't handle it in a productive way?????? I can get having fun over movie structure or story. Its the small ignorant shit they say when its, well you should have been better to your bad mom.
The problem is that he wrote a campaign biography about it that apparently contains no self reflection and is also using the story to justify shitty politics. I think he should be mocked mercilessly, but pretty much anyone else in his situation deserves some compassion.
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"How can you trust a guy won't piss clean for his mom?" Truer words have never been spoken.
He would certainly piss to get into a law firm but not his mom
vulgar
@@rd264 yes
This guy is about to be the vice president lmao
I’m from Cincinnati and I’ve waited on his table before >.>
@@robert9016 did he tip
@@mastersquinchthe important question
Are you ready to fall out of a coconut tree and vote for Kamala Harris?
Nah
so this movie is like a good will hunting type but if he wasn’t actually smart or troubled or kind
lol
It's all his fault... how do you like dem apples?
Good Will Menaker
@@raptormoments HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hell yeah, dude.
@@ClibanariusJJ was hitting the apple pipe on the porch last night and was like yup, that works
I'm rewatching after Vance was announced as Trump's 2024 running mate
diving into some crucial research rn
Holy shit wow
The reason why “Hillbilly Elegy” was lavished with praise originally, I’m sure, is that elites read it as a “there but for the grace of god go I” story. Vance deserved praise for hating his mom and abandoning his a family. If he had clung to his prior life he would have never become the bicoastal elite god intended him to be.
to be fair, given the kind of person he became after his talking head phase, being a bicoastal elite was by far the better option in hindsight
You nailed it. J.D. Vance is a dishonest narrator that's full of repressed rage. If he really cared about his family, he wouldn't be having this subconscious rage against his own mother, and wouldn't be telling this story in this way.
Hey dont talk bad about your vice president
Yeah i’d rather watch a movie about his mom’s recovery story instead of this self-indulgent montage of graphic imagery
The bullies in Kentucky had the right idea.
They had the right idea, but they went about it the wrong way at least partially. He got bullied for being able to read and his mom and aunt weren’t the same person. He should’ve been bullied for being the psychotic demon he’d become. I also say partially because they were correct to bully him for being from Ohio though and he’s a narc.
@@Big73Red - Very true. He is a dumb narc and altogether such a boring mundane figure. Amber's right, there are absolutely zero stakes or conflict of any kind driving the story. I doubt that he was even bullied to the extent shown in the film.
@@nachomanrandysauvage8257 I think it was one of the Trillbilly boys (can’t remember which one off the top of my head) said that it’d have been much more interesting to see a movie about the mom and grandma and I completely agree. Give me that movie or give me a movie where Vance’s character is a psychotic chud like irl and in the book. I’d take a movie where I absolutely hate the protagonist and hope he’d fail over what we got.
According to Jay Pee Vince anyone who doesn't live in a NoVA suburb or a coastal city is Appalachian.
I'm only disappointed it's called 'Elegy' and he's still alive
Great time to revisit this
🤦🏽♂️ Nothing says, “I feel your pain,” like middle class feel good Americana extraordinaire Ron Fucking Howard.
Haley Bennett (the sister) is an exact face morph of Jennifer Lawrence and Taylor swift.
Real life J.D. Vance kind of looks like bizarro Will
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He looks like if Will never left puberty but still managed to grow a beard.
Harsh but fair
@@AaronAnaya will looks like that anyway
I fucking love any self-indulgent autofiction - I’m torn between a drive to hatewatch this and not wanting to give JD Vance a dime
Have you heard of thepiratebay my dude?
@@Speedojesus I have not made a trip there since like... 2012? I’m too scared to get back in the game
Im not a guy who's troubled by spoilers, telling a tale doesn't marr the cinematic spectacle for me. and besides, most movies are essentially the same.
If you still get surprised at plot twists in fast and furious 8 your parents made you play pop warner football way too early in life.
This description plus my knowledge of JD Vance makes it a pass for me.
On a positive note, im glad Ron Howard had his recent DUI expunged by directing this movie.
I will bet that the reason he included the scene where he objects to the word redneck, is because in Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 11/9 movie, Richard Ojeda describes the term redneck in a positive way and relates it to the 20th century labor movement.
I haven't read the book nor seen the movie, but listening to this episode, my reaction is: That's it? This is the story that received such glowing reviews a few years back, a kid throwing out a calculator and then retrieving it?
@IntrepidTit Not really. This lamebrain movie idea could only be cooked up by a Vance.
@Otneimica Can you elaborate? I listened to the clip and it didn't seem all that complex.
@Otneimica Didn't he leave his mom to withdraw at some cheapo motel because he had a Heritage Foundation interview?
I had to read his book as a Freshman in college 😵💫😵💫
😵💫
"He's a monster!"
He's also now a US Senator.
synonyms
And vice presidential candidate.
It is worth noting, on the subject of "I have to choose between my dying mom or this interview" that in the book, Vance brags that he has so many interview offers that he just stops showing up for them at some point.
Hearing amber talk about butter nuts reminds me about how my family was displaced from Ireland and then Kansas all in the same century
And I'm speaking as a real "hillbilly"- it was not a good book- John grisham has a better grasp of the "South" and hillbillies, and that's fiction 🙄.
Amber sounds sloshed. Very cool.
Also coming in with the worst takes as usual
The amount of Mr Show references on this show is making me feel young
Lmao he's going to be the new senator from Ohio. So glad I left that garbage state.
PA is probably going to have Dr. Oz. I hope Fetterman pulls it off but I’d be surprised.
@@nsaylor9 fetterman did
Lmao hes your new vice president
Ohio will come to you, and get elected vice president
Any way you could reach out to Chris about doing a compilation of their JD Vance riffs like you did with Rod? Would be great now that he's the new Mike Pence
38:46 you can rollerskate on opiates just fine. yes they can be a downer - depending on type & dosage - but a lot of it is simply elation & euphoria. heck yeah rollerskating around like a psycho, that would rule while high
In fact... many people can ONLY get through a work day with opiates.....
exactly, people dont think about drugs hitting everybody differently. opiates give me energy until i start like literally laying down and then i’d nod off, but yeah had some very productive opiated days.
The only time I’ve ever done something that was really fun and active was while geeked to the gills on oxy/opana/Vicodin. Why did I quit?
Comments by people right before they break their nose
Fist full of loratab + my old hockey skates=fun.
Sobriety is ouchie and sad
That Terminator philosophy reminded me of the part of Reservoir where Mr. Blonde says: "Either he's dead or the cops got 'em or they don't."
My friend was a side-character in this and I made it to the scene he was in and turned off the movie. Most boring movie I've ever seen.
Indiana absolutely recognizes daylight savings time. Thanks Mitch Daniels.
34:10 them talking about the "fatass" scene and it developing into a Caleb situation was so fucking funny. I always relisten to the Caleb Jacoby story, too good.
Oof, that shit about “the maudlin junkie is the easiest fucking kind to deal with, get over yourself” hit close to home
I guess you could call it an Elegy of Emptiness
All praises to AM for the movie eps I forgot all about
Ah, my close, real life friends Will, Matt and A***r
movie mindset made this guy VP
(In the City of Cincinnati Appalachian people are considered an acknowledged minority. One can be Appalachian without being white if you or your parents or grandparents came from "the hills." It is its own culture.) ¶ What is funny about this analysis is that J.D. Vance while trying to appear like the everyman Appalachian fits the Thomas Franks idea that liberal-neoliberals-elite or PMCs where they see the problems in the world as just an education problem. If you do good tests, get into the right university, and get the right kind of degree the world is your oyster. If you don't succeed that is obviously your fault. The point is not too much different than Hillary and Bill's view that they will trash the industry but if the government provides education and retraining, it will all be okay. It wasn't, however: it cost her the Midwest electoral votes due to NAFTA and WTO Vance is part of the elite and he isn't all that different than Hillary and Bill in values. ¶ I have wondered if Thiel and Vance are doing a kind of right-wing triangulation between the different desperate alt-right groups to form a story that will work with the demise of democracy they have wet-dreams over and the installation of modern day Huey Long though a dumb Huey Long.
@Antonio-Gransci That’s a good question. because I picked Huey being glib. “The Great White Hope” the current “aristocracy” were hoping for was DeSantis but despite his Yale degree, he’s not smart politically. They want a Viktor Orbán, or closer to home a George Wallace or Lester Madox. With Long, they wouldn’t have liked him because Long and his brothers weren’t naive and one-dimensional as Trump. Long’s legacy or history was killed pretty much by Robert Penn Warren’s book ALL THE KINGS MEN which wasn’t a portrait of the real Kingfish but a facsimile. Big business (think oil) and the aristocracy of Louisiana & the US aristocracy, in general, didn’t like Huey. Huey stepped on the same toes as Mohammad Mosaddegh did in Iran or Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala with “Every Man a King.”
The couch fucking chapter is nuts 😂
Were the trillbillys even in this episode ? I swear they talk for a total of 2 minutes
So, what you're saying is, just watch "Out of the Furnace" and piss on a picture of JD Vance; got it.
Excellent movie. It gets a little farfetched towards the end but it contains some of the cast's best performances ever
They put on Hillbilly Elegy during structured programming when i was in rehab and it was somehow equal parts boring and triggering.
I would hate this in that setting. I found the scene where she was high and rollerskating and the one where she was using in the bathroom nauseating and triggering. Whoever suggested that is irresponsible.
@@ElFeugo Dont forget him literally wrestling a needle out of his mom’s hand at the end there. It was very “this is your brain on drugs” type energy.
So fucking relevant now
When I saw the thumbnail for this I assumed it was a comedy and glenn close was a man...
Kinda like a bad grandma type thing....
I decided to watch some of it as I enjoy these reviews more when I know what the fuck they are talking about...
Boy does this movie suck shit.
There’s like a point in your opioid highs where you like go clean shit naked but the dosages ramp up so quickly it’s like within a few months your high is just nodding out. But yeah it doesn’t like make you behave like a fucking lunatic snd do crazy shit
this movie makes Hot Rod look oscar worthy
October Sky has similar themes but a way better movie
A very appealing movie.
Loved that movie
they had a similar big change between the parents. Book, she begs him to quit the mine and it's killing him. He asks where would they live, because they have no money. She says one of the most loving things ever, she'd live under a tree if it means she gets to live with him. Movie, she screams about leaving him, and he taunts her, oh yeah, where you gonna live? She screams, I'd live under a tree to get away from you.
pulling that knife on the door isnt a case of chekhov's gun they can only afford remington
Love you Amber, but you are very wrong about how people outwardly behave / feel on opiates. Yeah sometimes when you're on a heavy nod you want a nap, but for 8 years the only way I could get the energy to get thru the day was with 100mg of oxy or atleast a few points of hammer
Keep it pushing 💪
How in the world did they get Glenn Close to be in it?
I grew up in Scioto County Ohio, and Glenn Close in this movie is my mother one more time.
amber’s drawl here 🤠
42:40 Despite leaving out the social consequences of de-industrialization, Murray was quite prescient.
Just watch Gummo.
This one’s a classic
It’s pretty clear BT Amber ain’t from Appalachia because she can’t even say Appalachia correctly.
Dolly Parton says "Appa-LAY-sha"
@@hobochangba7638 I understand how it's "actually" pronounced. I'm saying that Dolly Parton, IRL, pronounces it Appalaysha.
Both pronunciations are correct. Also she’s from Indiana, which is not in Appalachia
@@hobochangba7638 app-uh-lay-sha is the northern pronunciation, which is a valid pronunciation
She high-tailed it to NYC as soon as she could. Then she moved to LA after that. her repping Appalachia has always been the most stolen valor crap ever when the rest of her image is some NYC culture critic / art ho
Compare it to Rain Man
It is funny that they say he’s done nothing and now he’s a United States Senator lol
I want to give Mr. JD some cocky
Omg, Will quoting his own Letterboxd review. What a Film Guy dork.
It was a funny review
They made a movie out of that pos book? Why? 🤨 It's terrible lol
Well I now hate jd Vance lol
He is pandering to the people he claims but do not claim him.
Read the book in school. It was awful.
Oh, and although the guy is a dog, you won't *die* of heroin withdrawal. You're thinking barbiturates. Alcohol too maybe, I've heard.
Alcohol withdrawal is absolutely deadly, depending on what a person drank and for how long. They say to always taper off if you can't get prescribed anything to help rather than ever going cold turkey because the risk of seizure is so high.
P.M.C. Vance
And now JD Vance is going to be Trumpist Senator maybe even President.
Close! Vice President.
Pi tful republicans ."for sure
It's weird that he calls Ron Howard a "middling director" not that long after calling Gal Godot "not that good looking". Criticize all you want, but at least do it correctly.
She's like a 6 1/2 in Hollywood. Definitely nothing compared to a Angelina Jolie at that age or Olivia wild or Rose Byrne. I've seen prettier girls in a LA pizzeria.
Did you smash?
eh I remember it not being that bad
Well, Hitler had a painful childhood.
Is the girlfriend in the movie Indian like his actual wife or does the movie try to hide that too?
it hides it
I love chapo. But Vance has a little bit of truth here. He shouldn't be a senator. He should have just written his book and had it be what it is. So he doesn't handle a heroin addicted mother correctly. So his mom can do heroin but he can't handle it in a productive way?????? I can get having fun over movie structure or story. Its the small ignorant shit they say when its, well you should have been better to your bad mom.
This. I think JD Vance and his politics are detestable but god, what a weirdly fucking insensitive stance towards kids of addicts.
The problem is that he wrote a campaign biography about it that apparently contains no self reflection and is also using the story to justify shitty politics. I think he should be mocked mercilessly, but pretty much anyone else in his situation deserves some compassion.