Is Altered THE Next Trading Card Game? - $1,200,000 in First 24 Hours!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- Could Altered be THE next big trading card game? It hit Kickstarter recently, and hit $1.2M in its first day! We love the artwork. We love the design team. And we're floored by what this game is doing differently than any other TCG to date!
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There are so many TCGs out there - I think I will adopt a wait and see approach
Completely sound approach. I still only jumped in at the $160 pledge, and I may just play with that before I dive in any further.
I'm lurking the tcg scene right now. The hobby is not expensive and I just want to make sure I'm not wasting my money on mediocre card games.
Have you heard of netrunner?
Instead of a blatant QR Code - they should've found a way to a thematic icon like a shield or whatever with an embedded QR Code that's more discreet and thematic. I don't know if that's possible but anything better than bland QR code that sticks out on a pretty art card
I don't disagree with you, but I find myself not caring about it as much as I did when I initially saw it. It is a bit jarring, and it would be cool if they could blend it in a bit more.
this card game looks great, and I'm thinking of jumping in. what makes me skeptical is local play support. None of the LGS near me have heard of nor are planning on carrying Altered. Local scene is super important to build a strong game imo.
I think they're using the campaign, and the road tour to help grow some of that support. Plus, I believe that Asmodee will be distributing the game, so they're certainly tied in closely with the FLGS network.
Just pump and dump. No need to play
Don't people have problems even playing Sorcery on LGSs? I don't think this will make a splash in the scene..
Is this in Europe?
My prediction is that it's gonna be hot for a short amount of time. Lots of people "investing" and then it will die out.
Do they have digital online play ? Ranking etc. Its very hard for me to find anyone to play face to face w another person physically
I'm very art design oriented and wish they could have put the QR codes in the back instead. People are gonna sleeve their cards anyway so why not?
Seems like a lot of people share your opinion on the front. We've seen some other comments like this. I've gotten used to it, but I do agree, it would have been nice if they could've blended it into the design a bit more.
I have some questions:
1. If a friend has cards and i scan all his QR codes do i then also get all the cards for free?
2. Can you scan the codes from pictures? So if i see a picture of a card can i scan it to get the card? Even tho its not mine..
thanks!
So once a code is scanned into someone's collection, that QR code will be no long valid for any other scanning. They are one-time scans only.
sooooo... it is a TRADING card game, no? and there's a digital trade that has to be done as well? kinda crazy
@@meeple
Friend question: No but you could ask your friend to order the physical card for you at a relatively low price.
This all reminds me of decks of keyforge a lot
Really skeptical of any game company advertising a self run market as a benefit lol. Wonder how much they make per sale. Has tgat ever worked?.
This is the same red flag i see as well. I would love to get into this Kickstarter .. but i got burned once with Nostalgix TCG. I missed flesh&blood and sorcery.....
But this does not really look good. It looks good for playability and as a LCG (there are some with boosters now)- its a super awesome concept. But i dont see this as a general TCG
@@atla_ yeah self run markets usually always crash and burn. It will just depend on there print and play service. Depending if the game is even fun to play
You’ll still need more than one digital copy of a card to run multiples in sanctioned decks. Getting one in a booster doesn’t mean you can order a play set reprinted and be good to go.
Yeah, I wasn't 100% sure how it would work for sanctioned events. Did you see this addressed specifically somewhere?
@@meeple Im not 100% sure, there's info flying around everywhere. I think it only stuck out to me, because I thought it would work as you said, and then was dismayed when I heard otherwise.
@@_jamespowers Well I just asked the question on their discord server, and two people reported back that for competitive events, players would need to digitally own each individual card, so the print-on-demand only saves players for their "recreational" endeavors. 😅
That sounds bad..
Can someone just print A card to death? There has to be a limit!
Also doesn't this affect trades as well (people can't play in tournaments if they have a card but don't .. own it?). If so, this cannot be called a TCG..
The more I think about this system, the less I like it. And the less likely it will be for other companies to adopt it.
Just make your TCGs digital. And if you want to play on a tournament, you arrive with your account and nothing else.
Someone is going to build a YuGiOh Duel Disc sometime soon..
@@Big_Dai
From what i understood .
You can print limitless exept some promo card which you can print only one time per year .
Printing card will cost you money so well the point to print A card to deaths is pretty limited and what will be the point anyway ?
Upside
-If you play a card in differents deck you just need 3 ownership and can print more card to have 3 in each deck instead of switch them from deck to deck .
- you lost or destroy a card for what ever reason you can just reprint it .
- You can for exemple print a unique and give it to friends if he want to play for fun with it .
Downside :
-The only one i see is physical Card will have less value since they are all "proxy" .
You can give for free ownership to someone . So trade is totally doable .
Both trader give ownership of their card for free . They give each other the physical card . Trade done .
Be careful with your unboxing to hide the QR code so nobody can scan your cards before you 😅. The game looks great, I might just buy cards to have some and sell all the rights since I don't think I'll go into tournament play.
Yeah, I'm sure that mistake will get made sometimes.
The secondary market for physical cards could be DoA with the digital rights tie in
The traditional secondary market will definitely look different, and local stores will have a very different business model around this. I don't know all the details, but I do know that they've had discussions with a few big FLGSs to help navigate these waters, and get them on board. It should be interesting.
This is the issue i see as well, while for players that might be great (e.g. like Lorcana reprints) i fear there is not much collectibility around this game. The art looks fantastic and the card styles as well - but aside of the Foilers you probably do not need to look for anything. Because as soon as you have one card you can order copies of it. Also as foilers are not transferrable foil cards have zero value to other players. To me the biggest red flag is that everything is controlled by the company behind the game and you cant sell your cards on ebay or tcgplayer/cardmarket. I give them the benefit of the doubt but i have a bad feeling they want to cash in if the second market actually does explode.
Still on the fence on this one. While i think the game loop is really novel you might find not other players near you.
I also dont get how the competitive play should work if there are truly unique cards that only one player has, what if one of the stats is too good on the card and this player has too many of the good stats cards? How is this balanced?
@atla_ Theu have some internal balence algorithm in place. They also said I'd there is an issue it will be addressed. Realistically, there is only 3 unquies allowed in your deck so you have to draw them first. So far, it seems rather they will be plentiful and only so good vs its rare counterpart. Worst case just don't wait and see.
You guys have gotten REALLY good at your script readings! Well done!!
No script. We're just this good. 🤣
Tried the game.
It's promising but feels somewhat unfinished.
The gameplay have interesting elements but to me and fhe friends i tried it with is not engaging at all.
Interaction seem really limited.
So can you scan the card multiple times? Or let multiple people scan the same card or the reprints of the original? That way everyone can get all the cards for 0$ eventually, right?
Only 1 person can own that qr coded card. Casually it doesn't matter.
This seems horrible to balance. A truly unique card that modifies powers is going to be hard to get properly play tested. Either they will be so weak as to not matter, or so powerful that getting them will be the meta.
Well, keep in mind that this is a little similar to what Keyforge does but on a smaller scale, so it's not necessarily a huge issue. That said, I'm not sure it's a particularly good idea myself.
The unique cards are strong but not game changing from what i saw. They are only a step better than the rare version of that card. Clearly i don't know how they will balance this feature, but for the first spoilers the unique cards are only better than the rare cards. Though you can't still play more than 3 copies of unique cards, but your doubts are mine.
They can't really become the meta in the sense there is only one copy in the world. I assume that the stats / abilities can not go crazy. For me, the risk is that they are not as exciting to play. The concept is intriguing. I'm not sure how it will turn out, though. But I have faith in the designers ;)
Looks like a decent game that will follow many more in the world of dead tcg.
Also, how are you going to trade if its tied electronically
they have their own marketplace where you can sell your digital ownership
You didn’t even watch the video if you’re asking this question.
I've never seen a card game like this! It features a "brand new and fresh universe" with "original gameplay" where "we aspire to craft a vibrant, inclusive and decidedly positive world". Just give me a moment to swallow my vomit. There, better. And of course the features of this platform can never be exploited for profit to the detriment of the consumer, who has been gifted the convenience of a QR code for each card to micromanage their growing collection and interact with the secondary player market where card values are totally transparent and reasonable. "The game is designed to offer you non-stop decision-making...", which for me includes avoiding this dung pile like Ebola.
P.T. Barnum was right...
well said!
They should add the option to lease ur card temporarily so they could use it in a tournament
When we talked with them at GenCon, something like that was suggested as an option. It wasn’t “leasing”, but they suggested that you could digitally “lend” a card to a friend (or whomever) for a tournament or something, and have it come back to you afterward.
It's already planned
I took a brief look but it's a meh from me. Gameplay looks kinda meh to me (the last "low-conflict" card game I tried was much the worse for it), art doesn't appeal to me.
Rarity system is interesting but...feels kinda lazy? Also feels like it would just exacerbate the common TCG/CCG issue of being overwhelmed with duplicate singles after opening a box.
The digital ownership aspect seems gimmicky has hell, an evolution on the NFT nonsense that was so hot in 2022.
Also...QR codes on every card. That's fugly as hell.
Honestly, this game does not seem like it should be a TCG/CCG. The print-on-demand aspect is cute but I imagine it will do bad things to the collectability aspect of it being a TCG/CCG and that is a serious problem. As much as some people might not like to hear it, a TCG/CCG needs to balance gameplay AND collectability. Print-on-demand seems like it would essentially destroy the collectability aspect entirely which will make the whole thing a fail in that regard. Feels like this game should be a ECG/LCG but it was redone as a TCG/CCG to hop on the current hype-train around those.
I'll stick to Grand Archive, thanks 🙂
EDIT: On a side note, you ramnblings at the end on the topic of collectability were not helpful. The Lorcana example in particular was bad because the price of Lorcana boxes dropped massively after Ravensburger did what they said they would and re-printed the hell out of it. I would caution you guys against offering "investment" advice, there are actual legal things around that kind of thing....
This is the response I have seen from most actual tcg players. At a glance the people who seem to be backing it are board game players..... Who are great for a splashy Kickstarter but not for a sustained life for the game.
@@cjpeach11 Yeah, this is my feeling too. I play boardgames AND I play TCGs, CCGS and ECGs so I have a foot in both areas and I get why BGers would find this appealing but...I'm not sure they quite understand the space, hence me thinking this probably should have been an ECG.
@@AdamJorgensen Agreed. Every point you made... like the TCG space isn't new. Its like they saw the lessons learned in the past and just chose to ignore all of them. You need all 3 player types for a TCG to have legs... I'm not sure competitive players or collectors are gonna see this game as viable. And that's without getting into the honestly small card pool (given you have to cut it in half due to the janky rarity system) and single affiliation decks. The meta here looking at the card list does not look very diverse either.
Lorcana has already bankrupted me and Star Wars Unlimited is coming out soon. I'll have to get a 2nd mortgage ffs.
Don't forget Sorcery ^_^
@@lystic9392 Oh no... what is that? Is it cool?
@@ptastydactyl My answers to you are being removed.
Simply put..its gonna be a no for me dawg
Honestly this is one of the best kickstarter project I've ever seen. There is a great effort in the balancement of the factions, the world, the merchandising products and the game concept, the rarity system introduction helps to create a balanced tournament system. The gameplay is very innovative and skill testing because you have to make a lot of decision-making both in aggro, mid and control strategies and this is one of the aspects i love the most. There isn't an auto-pilot deck, but you have to spend wisely your resources and make sure not to waste them.
The game provides a lot of innovations linked with the digital world and I'm pretty curious to see how the TCG world will react to this, but we will see that in the future
Trying to set my excitement for the game aside, but I would agree regarding the campaign itself. The communication, unlocks, adjustments, etc. have all demonstrated an ear to their backers.
I don't think "Balancement" is an English word.. is it? Seems to be French. Not a native speaker myself.
Balancement is not even French, we would say "équilibrage". It looks like a word borrowed from English and adjusted to make it sound like it's French. We do this a lot :) Anyway, I think what the OP tries to convey is that they have made sure to have balanced factions.
Nah, I don't think so.
While interesting, the gimmicky of printing cards is only for the countries where this is accessible and the shipping is a non-issue. The gameplay isn't really that innovative (aside from rarity, which is a DIFFERENT card with same art). I've seen movement in CCGs before (Decipher's Lord of the Rings), the mana system has been done to death, and even the "fleeting" characters were used with the Fate mechanic in Legend of the Five Rings. The rest (from what I've seen) is nothing special.
I don't understand the hype behind it, but more is always better than nothing.
Perhaps the most important thing you said was "printing cards on demand". Can you imagine if the entire board game industry was capable of printing board game cards on demand? Would anyone ever need to buy a sleeve again?
Best time to get into a tcg/living card game is when they die. At least for home play. All the android netrunner went on firesale after they said they werent supporting any longer. Then sometimes goes back up in value
Altered seems like it would do well digitally. The problem with physical TCGs is you immediate make the game inaccessible to millions purely down to either those players not having a local game store where you're able to meet and play with people, or the fact they don't want to commute to these events to play.
Digital is far more convenient, allows balancing options and is accessible to everyone. I can't imagine many, if any, TCGs really sticking around for long if they don't adopt a digital approach.
I am extremely excited for this and have backed at the second highest pledge and may bump to the divine pledge… I believe in everything this project is setting out to do, from nostalgia to innovation… I do feel it is important to mention that although it’s making a ton of money so far it is not a lot of backers for a game that absolutely needs a player base to thrive… I know that there is no retailer pledge and stores should be reaching out to their Asmodee reps directly so we don’t have those numbers but even if the number doubles to 9000 backers by campaigns end, that is not a lot worldwide.
Sounds like a racket.
Honestly, that was my first thought too, but after hearing them explain their ideas, motivations, and plans for execution, those thoughts went away. I think that in almost every instance, this new way of collecting should be a positive for the end user. It's different for sure, but I'm down to give it a try.
One of the funnier things about Altered is the wide chasm in attitude between people who have played a few games vs. people who haven't.
The game is *very* good. Perhaps "for a ccg" should be added in this context, but yeah. And playing a little gives people context for what the rarity system means. And for most, they find the QRs are hardly noticeable after a little bit. And so on. The novel digital stuff is just the icing on a wonderful cake.
Agreed. A friend of mine had "some" interest in it, but then after playing a few games on BGA, his interest skyrocketed. Will it succeed? That's anyone's guess, but I'll at least be trying it out for a bit. 😁
Given that some truly amazing games have been CCGs I don't think that tag is necessary. There are plenty of valid complaints one can level at CCGs around the distribution model but in terms of gameplay the "genre" has some truly stellar games.
That said, if the game is actually good that's great but...the KS page does not do a good job of telling me much about the gameplay at all.
Personally, I am rather dubious when it comes to "low-conflict" games because the last "low-conflict" card game I played (An ECG called Mage Noir) turned out to be incredibly boring and part of that was due to the removal of creature combat in the game leaving an interaction vacuum in the game.
I get that some people want to have their 1v1 cake and eat it (by somehow reducing conflict) but I think it's tricky to find a balance with this because conflict is pretty much the key driver of interaction in most 1v1 games and finding a replacement for it that doesn't result in a multiplayer solitaire game is not easy...
@@AdamJorgensen As I mentioned in the video, TCGs are not typically my sort of thing, but I'd love to hear more of your thoughts once you've played it a little. You sound well-versed in TCGs. If you're ever up for a game or two on BGA, jump into our discord and let me know. Happy to give a quick teach.
'Good for a CCG' sounds like you are the one that needs to play a few more games, some of the best card games ever made are found in the CCG space.
@@meeple I have to be honest, I'm a little wary of getting hooked on TCGs via online methods like BGA and TTS where you have access to the full card pool and the financial side of actually buying the game IRL is not a factor ;-) That said, I'll take a look on BGA when I get the chance and see if there is more to it than strikes the eye...
Took over 10 minutes to actually discuss the gameplay, and that almost seemed like you were discussing it as a bit of a "oh yeah and there's a game here too" kinda way. Art looks great, collection element looks interesting, gameplay looks meh.
Gameplay is one of the best things actually, but we're planning other content to focus on that. I've been offering to teach anyone in our discord the last couple nights. Get in there, and message me. I'm happy to play through a game with you so you can check it out yourself.
Gameplay of Altered is Amazing with a capital A. Too bad they didn't talk more about that aspect in this video.
@@DuelingMaru We will dive into gameplay quite a bit more with some other content. I'm not TCG expert, but I find this game refreshing in its gameplay for sure!
@@meeple awesome! Thanks for info 👍 I'll definitely take a closer look but I feel like getting into something like this is dangerous for someone who feels the urge to own 'everything"
90% there just excited to sniff the cards when they open the booster. 10% game
I'm really excited for this game, it's got a lot of great concepts functionally in the game and the product. I also really enjoy the lack of gore/grotesque imagery without being completely for kids.
Star Wars Unlimited!
Too gimmick to do well in the tcg field.
Phhrt
Your raving about the fact that you can get “any card “ as a common is simply not true. It’s only true if you define a card by its name. Otherwise, the rare version will have different stats, which makes it a different card. I found your raving about this to be a little disingenuous, and it made me question your judgment, or your financial interest.
What Ryan was getting at, is that he's never seen another TCG that treats the card progression system like that. We completely understand that there are stats differences between the cards and their rarity. We even discuss that in the video. I think his enthusiasm on that front is based on just how different it feels to him.
We're enthusiastic about games in general, and also innovation. I can assure you that we are genuine in our thoughts and feelings for the games we play. And we have ZERO financial interest in the game. We both backed like anyone else, and received nothing for covering it.
@@meeple Thanks for the reply. To be clear about what I am talking about - You said that you can get "any card" at a common level of rarity. You can NOT get "any card" at common rarity. You get *better* cards at higher rarities but the publisher has decided to give them the same name. This is nothing but a cheap marketing ploy and I am surprised you took the bait. Also, to be clear, I backed at the $500 level of the game. I am excited about the true innovation (the digital registry of cards, the safe trade via their app, the print on demand, the foilers, etc. ), but I recognize how they make money. I don't need hype or spin!
I don't question your sincerity and I believe you when you say that you aren't receiving money from the publisher. I am just kind of amazed that you are so easily excited about something as mundane as "the worst version of every named card will be all available at common rarity but better ones with the same name will be more rare" that you see this as a good thing. This is nothing new to TCGs. The better cards are usually rarer so they can make more money from people chasing the power cards. The proper statement from you should have been something like "They CLAIM all cards are available at common rarity, but all they are doing is giving different-but-similar cards the same name. They aren't doing anything new re: having the better cards be rarer." That you instead hyped this as innovative made me skeptical of your motives. I watch a lot of your content but my first thought was "Are you so easily fooled these smoke and mirror distractions from their marketing team?" I want my reviewers to be reviewers with MY interest in mind, not their gullibility or excitement in mind.
It seems you are now saying that you got so excited about having the worst version of all named cards available at common rarity that you misspoke? To that I must say, "You do multiple takes of your segments, yes? You edit your videos, yes? You chose to leave this statement in, yes?" That may be a bit harsh, but I think it needs to be said snice I am a fan I am am giving feedback in the hopes you will do better.
In the end, this is a bit of a big to-do over almost nothing, but it was so shocking to hear you pitch this that I felt I had to speak up. Keep up the great work, but please try to be a bit more skeptical and critical of the hype.
To be fair, cards are to some extent defined by name since you can only have three of the same named card across all rarities and deck building limits the amount of rares you are allowed to play. So playing a deck full of rares is illegal and you need to decide if a given card is better at rare or common for the deck you are making. Some of the faction shifted rares for instance are identical to their common version, just faction shifted.
@@tehbige73 your point about the limit on rares is a very good one. At most, only 15 out of 40 (~37%) of your cards may be rare or unique. This does obviate some of my concerns. That said, my main point stands: a rare version of Card X will be better than a common version of Card X. They are different cards and it will cost you some amount to chase the rare version.
Thanks!
Is there some Blockchain nonsense going on with this game? It sounds suspiciously like you're buying NFTs.
The digital aspect does give that vibe, but I really do think this is just a clever solution to address some of the challenges that are typical for a TCG gamer. At the end of the day, it's still starters and boosters that you can buy and play with. The digital tool seems to just make your ownership feel a bit more secure, and allow people to get multiples of cards quite a bit more easily.
From the FAQ : "No, we do not use any NFT technology, particularly because we know how badly gamers perceive them (and us too). Instead we decided to go the old and classic way. We will host all the data of the app on our secured servers, as any other persistent service offer."
I got the rules from the KS but haven’t read them yet. Each video/graphic shows turning over a card and the higher stats wins and move your token forward one space, so war - high card wins. Two fronts to play on sure. The “spend any cards in hand as manna” but then nothing is showing in video saying what manna is used for, paying to play the card I guess. Some nuances will show up when I get to read the rules but 90% of this game is about the digital collection aspect, buy/sell, print on demand, and the foiler cards, and 5% is hey here is a game. I don’t see yet why this is worth getting for gameplay purposes but sure if it sticks rare cards and selling foilers could be a thing.
no
This is confusing as hell.... feels like the wish version of Lorcana