Just purchased my first 416 the other day! Been looking and researching the old workhorse for a while. Clarity is amazing! Noise sounds less on the 8060 though.
Very nice video man. I have two MKH 416 and I love both of them. Have used it on three films. However, in this situation I find the CS1 to reject the ambient noise better and gives the voice more space. It just goes to show why recording engineers use different microphones for different situations. There really is a microphone for different situations and different voices. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
Great test. It's a bit difficult to get a comparative gauge of the differences in signal to noise, dynamic range and frequency response etc. with so much changing in the background. But it does go to show that in that type of environment, there isn't really much in it between any good shotgun. Cheers, Dave.
Great, real world, logical test! Could you post part of the same video, but using the exact same loop of dialogue, if just 10-seconds, but through each mic in sequence, as the varying BG was difficult to ascertain exactly what the mics were rejecting, etc.
Thanks. I was surprised by how similar the MKH-50 was to the 416 in this outdoor scenario, both in rejection and emphasising the voice. The MKH-50 is my workhorse for indoor stuff and somehow I've avoided getting a shotgun, but based on this I don't think I'm going to bother.
Thanks for uploading these tests! I'm curious to know if you engaged any of the build in low cut filters on the microphones? It seems to me that the MKH50 for instance is getting less low frequencies then other mics, while it's known in my book for having a pretty boomy low end.
@@creativegreatsvisuals A mic pickup pattern shows how a microphone picks up sound from different directions.Common patterns include cardioid (front-focused), omnidirectional (all directions), and bidirectional (front and back, but not the sides).
Rode NTG2, is the cheapest back-electret condenser mic on the market pretty much. NTG-3 is much much cleaner sounding shotgun, I'd still consider it quite a budget mic. But I got one in my box always as a backup. I use Sanken SC-3E
Peter I got no idea about sound. Given that.... which is the best "run n' gun" gear for sound recording while video shooting? From my search, one very good combo seems to be Sennheiser AVX with Sanken cos-11d lavalier, expensive combo but easy to set and quality in sound.... What is your opinion? Thank you.
MKH8060 seems to have best rejection, strangely enough. MKH416 gets you and everything else in a decent mix. I'm surprised you were able to do this without some cop chasing you off the street! That's a lotta gear!
Pleasantly surprised by how good the old 416 workhorse sounds
Yeah actually sounds tighter and brighter than the 8060.
@@verzeda Tighter yes, but the 8060 sounds brighter on these shitty computer speakers.
Just purchased my first 416 the other day! Been looking and researching the old workhorse for a while. Clarity is amazing! Noise sounds less on the 8060 though.
@@verzedawhat’s tighter mean ?
Just bought myself one for £300, so I'm happy listening to this test. Think it's a win.
Very nice video man. I have two MKH 416 and I love both of them. Have used it on three films. However, in this situation I find the CS1 to reject the ambient noise better and gives the voice more space. It just goes to show why recording engineers use different microphones for different situations. There really is a microphone for different situations and different voices. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
If only everyone put as much thought and effort into their comparison videos! Thank you!
Excellent comparison video. Smart use of vertical color bars and Wingman. Nicely done. I subscribed because of this video.
Great test. It's a bit difficult to get a comparative gauge of the differences in signal to noise, dynamic range and frequency response etc. with so much changing in the background. But it does go to show that in that type of environment, there isn't really much in it between any good shotgun. Cheers, Dave.
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Great, real world, logical test! Could you post part of the same video, but using the exact same loop of dialogue, if just 10-seconds, but through each mic in sequence, as the varying BG was difficult to ascertain exactly what the mics were rejecting, etc.
Thank you for a lovely comparison mate! the Smit5u captured the dialogue nicely I think..
Excellent; really helpful comparison, mate!
Really well done, thank you.
Excellent test, thanks
Actually the mkh50 is doing a pretty good job rejecting the background noise. For me its a surprise...
Seeing your comment today after 5 years. I own MKH50 so i want it to perform better..haha.
Thanks. I was surprised by how similar the MKH-50 was to the 416 in this outdoor scenario, both in rejection and emphasising the voice. The MKH-50 is my workhorse for indoor stuff and somehow I've avoided getting a shotgun, but based on this I don't think I'm going to bother.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I wonder though which one would be best suited for recording solo bird sounds, the 50 or the 416.
The 416 is better for exterior wides though :)
Do you use it on a boompole?
If yes, how do you get around the handling noise thats really a thing with the mkh50 (compared to for example the 416)?
@@man0 cinela shock mounts. i swear to god you can shake your pole during a take and your mixer wont notice. they are THAT good.
Thanks for uploading these tests! I'm curious to know if you engaged any of the build in low cut filters on the microphones? It seems to me that the MKH50 for instance is getting less low frequencies then other mics, while it's known in my book for having a pretty boomy low end.
I was thinking the exact same thing
I found a brand new mkh416 for 790 euro and a dpa 2017 for 930 euro.
Would you go for the dpa even tho is 140 more expensive?
I wanted to download the files, and all I got was “The account has been suspended”
great video but the link is dead :')
very good test!, it would have been excellent to add the "monster mic" Sennheiser MKH 816 to the test.
regards and thank you! :)
The website with the files seems to be down. Can I download them somewhere else?
super helpful thanks so much for doing this!!
Would have been really nice if you'd included the Sennheiser ME 66 and 67.
This is fantastic
Thank you!
Sennheiser MKH series really is excellent
it's very fantastic. thanks!
that mkh 50 and dpa 4017b mannnnnnn
Mkh50 for outside booming?? Who da thought?
Sounded the best to me surprisingly. I wonder if it would get worse than the shotguns when it gets a bit further away
@@cameronlenart9166 sold my ntg3 after watching this and use the mkh50 for everything now
maybe in the future you can volume match the camera mic as well? I'm trying to listen loudly and critically but the on-camera mic blows out my ears ;)
I think the sanken cs3e is kinda off direction
What’s off direction mean ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals off axis of the microphone's pickup patterns , ( not directed right to the source of sound based on the mic pickup pattern )
@@3absalamz what’s a mics pick up pattern ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals A mic pickup pattern shows how a microphone picks up sound from different directions.Common patterns include cardioid (front-focused), omnidirectional (all directions), and bidirectional (front and back, but not the sides).
@@3absalamz so what do u think happened here with the sanken cs3e ? Is it the mic or position or way it was used that was wrong in your opinion?
That’s a hard test to do because every time there was different noise coming in, sanken sounds best to me. I had to listen to it 5 times.
which Sanken?
Which sanken ?
which one did you end up buying?
which microphone would you say is superior, the mkh 416 or CMiT5u?
and what would be your budget choice?
Rode NTG2, is the cheapest back-electret condenser mic on the market pretty much. NTG-3 is much much cleaner sounding shotgun, I'd still consider it quite a budget mic. But I got one in my box always as a backup. I use Sanken SC-3E
Sennheiser ME66 beats the NTG2 any time
Peter I got no idea about sound. Given that.... which is the best "run n' gun" gear for sound recording while video shooting? From my search, one very good combo seems to be Sennheiser AVX with Sanken cos-11d lavalier, expensive combo but easy to set and quality in sound.... What is your opinion? Thank you.
Hi mate. The AVX with a cos 11 is definitely a good combo. I'd go with that for quick setups
Thank you!
you dont really need to share you top mic sound..
MKH8060 seems to have best rejection, strangely enough. MKH416 gets you and everything else in a decent mix.
I'm surprised you were able to do this without some cop chasing you off the street! That's a lotta gear!
Schoeps wins
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None is a match for the Schoeps
DPA wins, followed closely by Schoeps, followed by Sanken
Dpa is a little bit thinner than Schoeps. Schoeps is very natural.
@@GoldenTree-fy3zjwhat’s thinner mean and when is thinner better ?