I have a question/request for you Rudy. You often bring up companies needing to care about the secondary market and individual card values and collection values and such. I was hoping you could make a video actually going into detail about how a company would do that. I'm not sure how a company would go about it and i'm very curious to learn more about it. As always, great video. Thanks a lot! Keep up the good work.
just a very basic way would be not to print an excess amount of cards. like anything, the less there is,the more you can get for it. also designing the card game so that people will want to play it for years to come insures card worth, because you created a market to sustain said cards.
He kinda said it in the video, make the cards have value. Basically you have to make the game fun and interesting enough to have player base. Then you need to have rare cards that will have value. They need to be good enough to play and be desirable for people to pay a premium for, but not so crazy they completely break you game and upset your player base. At the same time you have to have the self control as a company to not go crazy with printing and devalue your product because you produced too many.
Konami doesn't give two shits about the secondary market with yugioh. I have actually had a rep from konami explain that they only care about moving product and having players move on to the "next best thing" through power creep and bannings. And they reprint cards so that "everyone has access to them".
Panini had to kill the Dragon Ball Z game because Bandai (the license holder of Dragon Ball merchandising) was releasing the Dragon Ball Super game. DBZ TCG was pretty darn good game with unique mechanics based on a successful CCG made by Upper Deck. There's such a passionate following for the game that there's an active online community that still plays the game and the original CCG it was based on.
As someone who got into L5R closer to the end of the game, the biggest failure I saw was that they went through significant rules revisions basically every "block", which meant a lot of relearning/unlearning every year, older cards had functional changes due to being designed under different rules sets, etc. Trying to get everything to work properly together was a huge pain. There was a fan -made format the last couple of years that was basically L5R's answer to Modern, and would've been really great if not for all these issues. On top of that, AEG has shown in recent years that they really no longer have any interest in being involved in collectible/expandable, competitive games, and are happy just getting by on their re-skins of Love Letter and other, cheap, simple card and board games. Which is fine, but being around for not only L5R sinking, but also their gross mishandling of the relaunch of Doomtown (the original being my 2nd favorite game of all time), it was rough. I went from a big supporter, to having absolutely zero confidence in the company in the span of a couple of years.
Yeah, and L5R fell into the same trap that the majority of the TCG/CCG market has fallen into over the years. They always focus on those kinds of bigger, regional events, generally similar to Magics Grand Prix tournaments. Those are never what drives a competitive game. Its the smaller, local, usually weekly events that do, like Friday Night Magic. That's what sells product and helps hold secondary market value, not to mention it keeps your players interested and invested in the game. So many of these games don't want to put in the effort on the ground floor to build a player base, and think they can just bring people in for these bigger events. Cuz its worked so well in the past for games like VS System and World of Warcraft. Ugh. L5R only held on for as long as it did because of its devoted fan base from the earlier years of the game, when the company actually cared about it. I hope FFG do a decent job with it, but they have their own issues with building and supporting their games, not to mention the inherent problems with the LCG format.
So basically exactly what happened to Yu Gi Oh. Major rule book changes, players don't like new rules, player base says fuck you and does new card games
If they wanted to do that, they would've already done so. Releasing a standalone shaymin tin would piss off a lot of actual players, not just investors. Dunno how widespread that is, but I know at least a few people who bought shaymins because they know they can turn them back into cash at any time.
panini dragon Ball Z had a huge secondary market and a lot of the cards had high value until the last set, only reason Panini stopped is because Bandai is coming out with a new DBZ card game Edit: Added link to new news on Bandai Dragon Ball super TCG icv2.com/articles/news/view/36831/the-dragon-ball-universe-returns-new-tcg
I was going to say the same thing. I sold them on TCG player I have/had a regular DBZ group the was still growing. They did a great job on release kits with promo mats, cards, deck boxes, and mats for the players. Everyone is a bit pissed off at Bandai for messing it up.
I played the CCG Tomb Raider with a friend well after it had failed. At a card shop there was a box for sale cheap with some decks we bought. We played a couple games to get used to it with the starters then each subsequent game we opened a pack each to add cards to our deck. Very fun times had. No idea where the cards ended up.
I had a crew of friends that played l5r. they said it was rad. problem was its hard for people to get into an additional card game when they have so much into mtg or whatever.
for the ones who were asking themself what "panini" is, It's a huge italian sticker company, that used to produce stickers and albums (sold through newsstands) primarly for italian soccer league in 1960's. at the day of today, you can find something like 10 different series of stickers, from the youth's editions to adult collector editions.... just so you know ;) cheers from a BIG italian fan
Dragon Ball Z Trading Card Game was originally created by Score, then got shut down and then revived by Panini. Only a few weeks ago Bandai took the rights back to the TCG and shut down Panini's version of the game. As far as I know, the game was quite popular and the Panini version was very well balanced.
I played L5R back in Diamond Edition, my group of friends absolutely loved it but then as we played more and researched more about it we found a deck that was just X-Oing every tournament in the area and it eventually fizzled out.
No idea on the value, but the Middle Earth CCG (the first lord of the rings card game) was really really good. I wish i had more cards of that set because it was so much fun that i'd love to spread it around.
You should start buying up Yu-Gi-Oh then. box value is terrible. They release product up to 3 times a month. Can't even build a deck before the deck is old and dead. If not for the kids who grew up on the cartoons this game would already be dead. Not to mention the difficulty dealing with customer service and OTS.
Dan V I grew up on Yu-Gi-Oh, loved that game. I started playing when LOB came out, and stopped shortly after all of the Elemental Hero sets (GX?), so I haven't been in it for a long time- but every time I'm on tcgplayer it seems like there's an ad for a new set. And people think Magic sets come out too fast now!
Dan V And YGO eclipses Magic in term of sales. Funny how that works. Hell, Yugioh Duel Links just got its work wide release only ~a month ago and is already more popular than MTGO. Not that I think Yugioh is better than magic necessarily. Rather is just goes to show how terribly incompetent Wizards has been and how Magic has been so successful despite them for the most part.
Jon M More popular than MTGO isn't a high bar. When you have vastly superior, high-quality digital products available, namely Hearthstone, Eternal, Hex, and PTCGO, the fact that WoTC has kept the old dodo around this long just blows my mind.
VinDixen That's the problem, it SHOULD be a high bar. And keep in mind I am talking about a game in developer for maybe a year or two now versus MODO which has had two decades to progress. The card game Yugioh is way more successful than the card game Magic. Not just the digital versions of the games.
I actually have never played a card game, ever. One of your videos just ended up in my recommended videos and I was just curious and clicked on it. I ended up subbing. I dunno why I did, but you just seem like a nice guy. I actually have been considering trying out the Magic game after watching your content. Dunno if there's much of a community here in Ireland. I'll look into it.
Growing up I played Decipher's Jedi Knight TCG, Decipher's Star Wars CCG, and Ineractive Imagination's Magi Nation Duels. Those were all fantastic games. I heard that when Lucas took the Star Wars rights away from Decipher they made another card game with the same rules, but I never played it.
I played the Tomb Raider CCG from Precedence Entertainment. I loved their Babylon 5 CCG and really loved their Wheel of Time CCG. I think you should do something on the Star Wars CCG from Decipher and the Wars CCG that Decipher put out for two sets before they closed up shop. Another really great CCG from the era was Shadowfist from Z Man Games.
Rudy, fantastic seeing you on The Professor's video. I know you are busy, but I'd love to see you in more colabs. Most youtubers make it because they generate a cult around their personality, and you definitely have the charisma for that. Branch out! love seeing you interacting with other people.
L5R was a great CCG. I remember when it was popular, I even placed top 8 at one of their versions of regionals with a Scorpion dishonor deck. I still have most of my cards for the game and it was a ton of fun to play. The game died for me when they removed/changed one of the major factions I played, the Shadowlands, for story purposes. Also I bought a little of that Tomb Raider when it was on clearance, couldnt find anyone to play unfortunately.
The Tomb Raider CCG is still being played and has a cult following and mostly for the solo version which is rather rare in CCG.The price for the starters and boosters is pretty inexpensive but kind of difficult to track down.I recently picked up 4 starters and 112 booster packs for $40 dollars so the price is not bad,and yes,the game is very fun.
I play Tomb Raider CCG too - I have a pretty good Atlantis deck made up. It's one of the few CCGs that you can play alone, so it's good for collectors who can't find a friend to teach the rules to. It also actually uses the spelunky mechanics by being a pseudo-board game where you draw cards from a level deck on the side to randomly generate a level, complete with traps, monsters and puzzles.
Played the X-Files card game. I kinda miss it ... feeling nostalgic. I remember it being an okay game maybe my nostalgia is coloring my memories of it.
L5r was huge... and then the olympics happened. It's a long story. It went on for quite some time, and the RPG is still a cult game. The storyline tournaments were awesome, with good prizes. I still have fond memories of the game, but it just was hard to find players. The LCG reboot is exciting to me.
I remember being OBSESSED with the LoTR trading card game. My friends and I spent so much on sealed product ect, then we realized we were the only 5 people in the world probably playing this card game and stopped. I still see LoTR sealed product for sale at London drugs and stuff, tempted to buy some just for the nostalgia
I believe they changed that to Kaijudo now. Same thing, different name. I used to play Duel Masters. I had bolshock Dragon and I had a blocker deck with diamond cutter so my blockers could also attack.
dexter morgan Just what Patrick Johnson said. It's actually more popular than MtG in Japan, and new sets are released regularly. It didn't see popularity in the west mainly due to its similarity to MtG. You can read more on it on the wiki, since my memory is failing me a bit.
I think that Duel Masters never gained traction in the us because the anime they put out for the product was fucking stupid. It was anti advertisement. I believed that WotC just didnt feel like putting up with two different card games. When they switched it over to Kaijudo they somehow managed to market it event worse. The Kaijudo anime was an extra special level of dumb. Its a shame because Duel Masters is a fantastic game in terms of balance and mechanics.
L5R was a solid CCG, and the RPG side of the game was pretty solid too. The mechanics were a lot different and it was neat to have multiple ways to win and certain houses were better at winning in different ways. I think it boiled down to how the property was handled and I don't recall it having the same large scaled events to grow the base as MTG did. Also when are you going to talk about OverPower? :D
Hey Rudy :-) i found your chanel like two weeks ago, i already watched around 40 videos from you. Really like your attitude and the info you are giving us in the videos :-) Especially because i want to get back to MTG, maing videos about it and reselling it as distributor in Czech republic (that is where i am from). Keep up the good work ;) and take care :)
L5R did go for 20 years. it was the second ever CCG and it's great. It's hardly a "failed" CCG. it wasn't canceled, it was bought by another company. I wish it was more popular and Iv wish AEG had managed it better.
Did you ever buy into "Battle Cards"? It was like a CCG where the cards you used had little 'scratch-off' circles so you could only use them once. And like the tomb raider game, they ran this big promotion where if you collected certain treasure cards and mailed them in or whatever you had a chance to win actual treasure? Or something? Good times.
I used to pmay this weird CCG back in 94. I forget what it was called. It came with a tabletop creature zone and spell map with 10-15 spots you could place your cards. It was sort of like Othello in how you maneuvered your way on the playing map. I wish I could remember what the game was called
Glad to see your still increasing your position on The Pokémon sets, I think your pretty spot on with your timeframe as well. Glad to also see some different content was really excited for the first one you did and this one as well kinda helps chop up the mundane and gaps with in magic all together and also doing videos like this educates folks what to look for and what has been in the market, I remember Wyvrn (hope I spelled that correctly) and off the top of my head I can't think of the vampire game suddenly and those where flashes in the pan as well, I remember stocking these cards at the KB toys I worked for.
I've been selling cards since 1996 and I sold a little bit of everything even if it's something I know nothing about. What I heard about Dragon Ball Z not doing well is because they have many cards that can't be played. There are a lot of popular cards that required another card in order for it to be played. The problem was that other cards needed was never made and people got pissed and lost interest cause the next set and the next set didn't have those cards.
I know the troubles of finding old lost games, however I'm always trying to find one specific game to finish collections, however it's probably not gonna happen. I'm gonna keep looking though in hopes of one day completing the set.
For some reason this just popped up on my recommended videos....man did those tomb raider cards bring back memories. actually just found an old box of cards of mine from a kid and found a bunch of these tomb raider cards in it. As i kid I collected all card games and the tomb raider cards happened to be one of them lol. Never seen a booster box though. was cool to see that. thank you
I played Panini's DBZ game, it was incredibly fun and did hold value pretty well, but the game was cancelled when Bandai refused to renew Panini's license because they wanted to create a Dragon Ball Super game in Japan, and didn't want to "dilute the market" with similar games.
Came across the channel and this video specific from a link in the L5R facebook page. Love your opinion the L5r CCG as for why it's gone, from what I can tell AEG wanted out of the CCG market. as since the sale of L5R they've also stopped with Doomtown I believe.
Holy shit! RUDY! Back in 2005/2006 when DBZ was at it's height the Ultra Rare Goku was actually valued higher than an Unlimited Black Lotus! I still remember when DBZ made the biggest blunder a CCG could make which is change the back of the card and force people to play with opaque sleeves to hide the backs of the cards. All because they had to expand to GT. I could talk for hours about this game. I loved it, went to the World Champs at Gencon one year for it. Crazy! It was a great 1 vs 1 CCG back in the day. I had so much invested in it with promos and ultra rares and then it all fell apart. I still have all my decks and cards just cause it's not worth selling them for pennies of what I paid for them.
L5r didn't fail. AEG sold the rights and the game to fantasy flight games who decided to cancel it and are currently making a living card game version.
Panini majors in sports cards and just use their cocky arrogance from making a killing on the NBA,MLB,NFL and NHL and then bring it into a world of trading card games and knowingly knowing that these genre of cards will be complete shit and hold no value at all, they fucking still sell those boxes for $70-$100, that's just total fuckin arrogance.....
Something about a game that had several different ways of winning that did not involve completely destroying your opponent. It was also nice that winning the World championship effected the story of the game.
I purchased a box of L5R along with a few of the other 'failed' TCG's after Rudy's first video on the topic and I can't wait to play this game with a few friends! I remember it being pretty big for awhile but I seem to remember players getting upset about someting, but I don't remember what.
L5R was BY FAR the best multi player TCG ever made. We used to regularly have 6-8 player games which did require tweaking the rules slightly (we increased the honor required for an honor win to 40 for a typical game). This prevented the honor runners (Crane, Naga and Mantis) from getting an easy win via the Port Cash Machine (aka ATM) to buy characters for full price and still having the funds to equip them with gear.
It's why MTG, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon are still around after 25, 16 and 18(?) years later respectively. My current Yu-Gi-Oh cards binder has lost value since I put it together back in 2008 and left it be a couple years later, but I have a single card worth $400, so they still have plenty of value.
I love dead card games. Really card games in general. I'm a collector. So I buy up just about any TCG, CCG I can. I just bought a booster box of TNBC off eBay last night. Love it. Thanks for giving me more ideas for dead sets to look into.
i was a playtester and game developer for decipher when they were around, swtcg, sttcg, dothack, and the different variances between the old and the new games to bad they were still around. i loved my star trek tcg.
Heyo mister Rudy. I just wana say I pick up what your putting down. Im not a card collector. Honestly I have no clue how I got on your corner of TH-cam. Most of what you say I don't even grasp. What I do know is your a damn fun entertaining man to listen to even if Im not interested in the subject.
MLB showdown was an awesome card game. I only got to play it a handful of times cuz I only knew one kid who played it. Man, that game was cool, collectible baseball cards that you could actually build a team and play a game was a genius idea, I wish they still printed it. I think some of the cards and sealed product still hold value.
My friend and I probably spend close to $1000 on the Score Dragon Ball Z cards when we were growing up. Between the two of us and spending that much money we had 4 ultra rares. Eventually I traded him my DBZ VHS collection (which wasn't much) for our combined collection. Fast forward to our mid-twenties I sold the cards to him for $20.
Tomb Raider is kind of fun and different... I say it plays more like a board game than a CCG. I did buy a few boxes just when the game tanked and was able to pick them up quite cheap. I even did one of my own videos on the game and was surprised how many people didn't even know it existed.
I played Star Wars ccg, MTG, Overpower, L5R, Star Trek ccg, etc, in the 90's. Still do with my brother. Also sometimes bust out 7th Sea, X-Files, WARS tcg! Love ccg's. MTG and SWCCG are my two all time favorites.
Yeah I remember the Tomb Raider game. I have a few of the starter decks and some sealed packs kicking around somewhere. PanZ died this year. Bandai who hold the rights to DBZ are coming out with a version of IC Cardass for North America, thus Panini halted their game. It had a pretty good following some real balance issues though. Which IT was just a rehash of ScoreZ from the early 2000's
I liked the nightmare before Christmas tcg. I bought a case of the main set for 72$ and the expansion boxes for 10$ each. It's got a good print run you get most of the rares from a box and you don't need for of for a deck
From what I understand the DBZ TCG was doing well, but they had to stop production because of copyright issues with the new DB Super TCG coming out later this year
Legend Of The Five Rings should not be called a failed trading card game, it have done something Magic will never do, they upgraded to LCG format to make the game more open to people.
L5R did manage to last 20 years? It was one of the 'class of 95'. The problem is...it was much bigger in Europe and South America than North America. A regionals in North America would pull 90-125 players where it was closer to 225 in South America and in and around the 425 player count in countries like France. I will always love L5R because at it's height (2002-2005) that game paid my rent!, Trading, selling, speculating...hell there was a card I stock piled called Stormheart; I bought them for about $25 regular $35 foil a piece but when regionals hit sold them for $80 regular and $150 to $180 a pop for foils. It was beautiful!
I have so many L5R cards. I played the game for years. I'm looking forward to the Fantasy Flight LCG version of the game that's coming out at Gencon this year.
Rudy, here are your answers regarding the Dragon Ball Z TCG. OK, so the DBZ game was a revitalization of the CCG that Score created back on the 2000's. As a seller for the Panini version on eBay, here's a few points I've made from my experience with the game. 1.) Selling. I can say that only a handful of people were active in selling on the secondary market. Aside from myself, I was competing with 3-4 others who would do mass openings to sell online. (Keep in mind that some people would still singles from time to time, but they would not become hardcore sellers.) 2.) Pricing. when the game first came out, I got a booster box for $65. If people were buying it for $70 or higher, they were looking in the wrong place. The last few sets started to sell for around $55 per box. It was only recently that the base set started rising in price because it was out of print after a 24 month run. 3.) Singles. There were many singles that were holding some value. generally, the ultra rares had a pull rate of 1 every other box, and usually one of the two UR cards were worth the price of the box alone. Then there were rares that would sell for $15-20 for a playset (DBZ playset is 3 copies, not 4.) Foil copies of the best rates would sell for the same price as a playset. My mass box openings always had me break even with the rares and Ur cards alone, then I'd sell foils and the bulk cards for profit. 4.) Printing. The reason the price tanked for the game is because Panini killed the game and turned off production about a month after the recent set came out. A lot of us sellers got burned on this, as it caused the prices to hit rock bottom. Panini claims it was because Bandai is making their own DBZ card game. However, the last set (Awakening) had weak cards and new Dragon Rares that took up an UR slot, but they were just certain characters reprinted in a new foil process (and worth as much as some rares.) They really dropped the ball on it. Everything up to that set was good. The game is actually really fun to play. It mimics a fight, where "combat" each turn was the two characters using attack and defense cards, going back and forth like in a battle to jack eachother up. I'm sure there's TH-cam videos simplifying the game. If you have any other questions, hit me up.
Rudy is there any type of special insurance that will include coverage of your TCG / Collectibles? Just curious in case of theft fire from home or storage unit?
Lord of The Rings tcg was one of my favorite when it came out with the movies. the cards still worth a lot tho. they havent lost that much value for a dead mtg
I cant find any place to buy any fail trading card game booster boxes in bulk for 10-20ish i looked on ebay and amazon with no luck anyone have other websites that sell for cheap?
I remember years back working for Pendence demoing the Alien Vs Predator CCG (Still an amazing game, with a crazy high secondary market) they tried to get me to demo Tomb Raider. That game died quicker then any game I remember. And they released expansions for it so fast it was mind boggling. Like the game came out, then a month later an expansion. Then two months and another expansion. Loved Legend of the Five Rings since the beginning! But when you look at what happened with the companies shenanigans that pissed off stores, it explains why the game died off. Although it was starting to make a recovery when Fantasy flight bought them.
Panini DBZ is a super-salty topic for me. We had such a healthy local scene and it was growing. The singles market was very healthy, the regional tournaments were decent sized, 300+ usually. It was a unique game(loved the score version too, which this obviously followed closely). Luckily, my local group is still active with DBZ. The devs of the game have continued to develop it and release new cards online for free!
Rudy if you didnt know there was a spinoff of Legend of the Five rings called Legend of the Burning Sands and those cards seems to be more expensive in ebay. Check out Middle Earth the CCG by I.C.E. Enterprises. Its one of the best ccgs ever made and boxes sell on eBay for $100 easy. The reason its not in print anymore is because the companies licenses expired.
I played L5R off and on for YEARS since the 90's. I spent several years not playing any card games and when I decided to come back I was shocked L5R died. Good to hear the FFGs is rebooting it. I also played DBZ back when Score made the cards and played for the first 4-5 sets. When I came back I got the nostalgia bug and purchased a bunch of the very first set. I don't know much about Panini it seemed to me like a reboot? I played a little bit of Tomb Raider only because a friend of mine was really into it. It was okay. it it never really stuck. Thanks for this video Rudy it's a great trip back down memory lane.
JJ Hernandez agreed..Rudy's my new mentor..he's taking me under his wing..he just doesn't know it yet..(I haven't told him cuz honestly,he's gunna have 2 wear pants around me)
I just discovered your channel... What is the 2022 update on the Roaring Skies? Did you move them all or still sitting on them? From what I see they are up to over $500 a box and going up!
About midway through the video, just need to point out something about Panini DBZ: the reason they aren't making more is because Bandai's making a Dragonball Super TCG, and teven though the games are different, they don't want to flood the market with DBZ stuff. I'd argue that they should get their cards printed to the end of DBZ if that's really what's going on, but they are ending near the end of the Cell Saga and with a few movies, and it was the Buu Saga that kinda screwed up the balance of the Score DBZ game anyway, so I'm kind of OK with that. Just thought I'd like to note that Panini's game was actually decently popular (not huge by any means) and it's not ending because Panini's losing money on it.
hey I don't know if anyone can help me. I am looking for a card game that came out in 95-2002 range around the time of yugioh, (sorry for vague description) but it had typical elements (fire water plants and rocks) and monsters and items also I think they were called mages. any help would be awesome I think wizards of the coast had made it.
Star Wars CCG boxes are jumping up in price like crazy!! Reflections one boxes I could find 85-95$ now they are 185$!! I said it in the last video. Any big Star War fans out there. Check out the 90's CCG game. The foils are amazing. Just it's fucking hard and time consuming to play. Happy hunting!
maybe the Thing With Panini is that here in europe they are best known for creating collectable Sticker Sets, often based on big Sports Events like the Football world Cup or famous movies, and unlike Trading cards those are very time sensitive so they only Print as much and as Long as relevant and then simply move on to the next Event, no Reprints, no prolonging shelf Life and no reason to Care for a secondary market. And I think this mentality still exists With their CCGs.
Holey shi* the Roaring Skies prediction 12:30 is scary accurate
Literally just saw that part and thought the exact same thing. He nailed that guess.
dudes a genius
@@LUMBEEPHENOM2012 hm were they bought at, cuz theyre going for almost 700$ now
well i guess rudy actually knows what he is talking about :D
Would love to see how many of the new Kickstarter TCGs set to launch in 2022 will end up in this failed pile by 2024
The next shiny object.
Decipher Star Wars TCG that's what we want to see Rudy. Make it happen boss.
You mean CCG
Definitely I have a huge collection and always looking for more cuz me and friends play from time to time
TCG - trading card game, CCG - collectible card game. They generally have same meaning (as long as you are not talking about online card games).
You mean one of the worst card games ever put to print.
eonchao no, he's talking about the really fun, and complex one. Not young Jedi.
I have a question/request for you Rudy. You often bring up companies needing to care about the secondary market and individual card values and collection values and such. I was hoping you could make a video actually going into detail about how a company would do that. I'm not sure how a company would go about it and i'm very curious to learn more about it.
As always, great video. Thanks a lot! Keep up the good work.
just a very basic way would be not to print an excess amount of cards. like anything, the less there is,the more you can get for it.
also designing the card game so that people will want to play it for years to come insures card worth, because you created a market to sustain said cards.
He kinda said it in the video, make the cards have value. Basically you have to make the game fun and interesting enough to have player base. Then you need to have rare cards that will have value. They need to be good enough to play and be desirable for people to pay a premium for, but not so crazy they completely break you game and upset your player base.
At the same time you have to have the self control as a company to not go crazy with printing and devalue your product because you produced too many.
Konami doesn't give two shits about the secondary market with yugioh. I have actually had a rep from konami explain that they only care about moving product and having players move on to the "next best thing" through power creep and bannings. And they reprint cards so that "everyone has access to them".
Panini had to kill the Dragon Ball Z game because Bandai (the license holder of Dragon Ball merchandising) was releasing the Dragon Ball Super game. DBZ TCG was pretty darn good game with unique mechanics based on a successful CCG made by Upper Deck. There's such a passionate following for the game that there's an active online community that still plays the game and the original CCG it was based on.
As someone who got into L5R closer to the end of the game, the biggest failure I saw was that they went through significant rules revisions basically every "block", which meant a lot of relearning/unlearning every year, older cards had functional changes due to being designed under different rules sets, etc. Trying to get everything to work properly together was a huge pain. There was a fan -made format the last couple of years that was basically L5R's answer to Modern, and would've been really great if not for all these issues.
On top of that, AEG has shown in recent years that they really no longer have any interest in being involved in collectible/expandable, competitive games, and are happy just getting by on their re-skins of Love Letter and other, cheap, simple card and board games. Which is fine, but being around for not only L5R sinking, but also their gross mishandling of the relaunch of Doomtown (the original being my 2nd favorite game of all time), it was rough. I went from a big supporter, to having absolutely zero confidence in the company in the span of a couple of years.
Yeah, and L5R fell into the same trap that the majority of the TCG/CCG market has fallen into over the years. They always focus on those kinds of bigger, regional events, generally similar to Magics Grand Prix tournaments. Those are never what drives a competitive game. Its the smaller, local, usually weekly events that do, like Friday Night Magic. That's what sells product and helps hold secondary market value, not to mention it keeps your players interested and invested in the game. So many of these games don't want to put in the effort on the ground floor to build a player base, and think they can just bring people in for these bigger events. Cuz its worked so well in the past for games like VS System and World of Warcraft. Ugh.
L5R only held on for as long as it did because of its devoted fan base from the earlier years of the game, when the company actually cared about it. I hope FFG do a decent job with it, but they have their own issues with building and supporting their games, not to mention the inherent problems with the LCG format.
So basically exactly what happened to Yu Gi Oh.
Major rule book changes, players don't like new rules, player base says fuck you and does new card games
All it will take is for Shaymin EX to come out on the front of a tin and Roaring Skies will be on a certain train to a certain town.
If they wanted to do that, they would've already done so.
Releasing a standalone shaymin tin would piss off a lot of actual players, not just investors. Dunno how widespread that is, but I know at least a few people who bought shaymins because they know they can turn them back into cash at any time.
Long term tho it doesn't matter. Dark Explorers is $600+ per box and Darkrai has been printed and reprinted over and over again.
panini dragon Ball Z had a huge secondary market and a lot of the cards had high value until the last set, only reason Panini stopped is because Bandai is coming out with a new DBZ card game
Edit: Added link to new news on Bandai Dragon Ball super TCG
icv2.com/articles/news/view/36831/the-dragon-ball-universe-returns-new-tcg
I was going to say the same thing. I sold them on TCG player I have/had a regular DBZ group the was still growing. They did a great job on release kits with promo mats, cards, deck boxes, and mats for the players. Everyone is a bit pissed off at Bandai for messing it up.
Andrew Massey ^ I was about to say this
+Nate Church yeah i got a box of this and found it more like they didn't know and panini being sports doesn't care they want money not some rubbish
It also literally just had a set out in October.
they already have a dbz japanese only card game
I played the CCG Tomb Raider with a friend well after it had failed. At a card shop there was a box for sale cheap with some decks we bought. We played a couple games to get used to it with the starters then each subsequent game we opened a pack each to add cards to our deck. Very fun times had. No idea where the cards ended up.
I had a crew of friends that played l5r. they said it was rad. problem was its hard for people to get into an additional card game when they have so much into mtg or whatever.
for the ones who were asking themself what "panini" is, It's a huge italian sticker company, that used to produce stickers and albums (sold through newsstands) primarly for italian soccer league in 1960's. at the day of today, you can find something like 10 different series of stickers, from the youth's editions to adult collector editions.... just so you know ;)
cheers from a BIG italian fan
Dragon Ball Z Trading Card Game was originally created by Score, then got shut down and then revived by Panini.
Only a few weeks ago Bandai took the rights back to the TCG and shut down Panini's version of the game. As far as I know, the game was quite popular and the Panini version was very well balanced.
I played L5R back in Diamond Edition, my group of friends absolutely loved it but then as we played more and researched more about it we found a deck that was just X-Oing every tournament in the area and it eventually fizzled out.
CHAOTIC! Come on Rudy, you of all people have to have some somewhere
im pretty sure it died because 4kids didnt have the rights anymore
I have a ton of this (codes used) just sitting in a binder... would gladly sell ;)
is there a maxxor in there? ;)
there may be but there were many dif versions no?
Unfortunately i dont have a broad knowledge of chaotic to answer that question with certainty 😣
No idea on the value, but the Middle Earth CCG (the first lord of the rings card game) was really really good. I wish i had more cards of that set because it was so much fun that i'd love to spread it around.
You should start buying up Yu-Gi-Oh then. box value is terrible. They release product up to 3 times a month. Can't even build a deck before the deck is old and dead. If not for the kids who grew up on the cartoons this game would already be dead. Not to mention the difficulty dealing with customer service and OTS.
Dan V I grew up on Yu-Gi-Oh, loved that game. I started playing when LOB came out, and stopped shortly after all of the Elemental Hero sets (GX?), so I haven't been in it for a long time- but every time I'm on tcgplayer it seems like there's an ad for a new set. And people think Magic sets come out too fast now!
Rudy!!
Dan V And YGO eclipses Magic in term of sales. Funny how that works. Hell, Yugioh Duel Links just got its work wide release only ~a month ago and is already more popular than MTGO. Not that I think Yugioh is better than magic necessarily. Rather is just goes to show how terribly incompetent Wizards has been and how Magic has been so successful despite them for the most part.
Jon M More popular than MTGO isn't a high bar. When you have vastly superior, high-quality digital products available, namely Hearthstone, Eternal, Hex, and PTCGO, the fact that WoTC has kept the old dodo around this long just blows my mind.
VinDixen That's the problem, it SHOULD be a high bar. And keep in mind I am talking about a game in developer for maybe a year or two now versus MODO which has had two decades to progress. The card game Yugioh is way more successful than the card game Magic. Not just the digital versions of the games.
I actually have never played a card game, ever. One of your videos just ended up in my recommended videos and I was just curious and clicked on it. I ended up subbing. I dunno why I did, but you just seem like a nice guy. I actually have been considering trying out the Magic game after watching your content. Dunno if there's much of a community here in Ireland. I'll look into it.
There is a very prominent community of magic fans in Ireland.
Magic is the biggest card game in Europe and North America, so you should definitely find some locals hosting magic. Hopefully it worked out for you.
Try mtg arena first
Growing up I played Decipher's Jedi Knight TCG, Decipher's Star Wars CCG, and Ineractive Imagination's Magi Nation Duels. Those were all fantastic games. I heard that when Lucas took the Star Wars rights away from Decipher they made another card game with the same rules, but I never played it.
I played the Tomb Raider CCG from Precedence Entertainment. I loved their Babylon 5 CCG and really loved their Wheel of Time CCG. I think you should do something on the Star Wars CCG from Decipher and the Wars CCG that Decipher put out for two sets before they closed up shop. Another really great CCG from the era was Shadowfist from Z Man Games.
Rudy, fantastic seeing you on The Professor's video. I know you are busy, but I'd love to see you in more colabs. Most youtubers make it because they generate a cult around their personality, and you definitely have the charisma for that. Branch out! love seeing you interacting with other people.
I think watching at 0.5x speed might be the best way to take in Rudy content.
From all of the Rudys.
L5R was a great CCG. I remember when it was popular, I even placed top 8 at one of their versions of regionals with a Scorpion dishonor deck. I still have most of my cards for the game and it was a ton of fun to play. The game died for me when they removed/changed one of the major factions I played, the Shadowlands, for story purposes. Also I bought a little of that Tomb Raider when it was on clearance, couldnt find anyone to play unfortunately.
The Tomb Raider CCG is still being played and has a cult following and mostly for the solo version which is rather rare in CCG.The price for the starters and boosters is pretty inexpensive but kind of difficult to track down.I recently picked up 4 starters and 112 booster packs for $40 dollars so the price is not bad,and yes,the game is very fun.
I play Tomb Raider CCG too - I have a pretty good Atlantis deck made up. It's one of the few CCGs that you can play alone, so it's good for collectors who can't find a friend to teach the rules to. It also actually uses the spelunky mechanics by being a pseudo-board game where you draw cards from a level deck on the side to randomly generate a level, complete with traps, monsters and puzzles.
Played the X-Files card game. I kinda miss it ... feeling nostalgic. I remember it being an okay game maybe my nostalgia is coloring my memories of it.
L5R used to be one of the top CCG's for years. I was amazed to see that it has dropped so far. It has been around since 1995 it has a pretty good run.
L5r was huge... and then the olympics happened. It's a long story. It went on for quite some time, and the RPG is still a cult game. The storyline tournaments were awesome, with good prizes.
I still have fond memories of the game, but it just was hard to find players. The LCG reboot is exciting to me.
I remember being OBSESSED with the LoTR trading card game. My friends and I spent so much on sealed product ect, then we realized we were the only 5 people in the world probably playing this card game and stopped. I still see LoTR sealed product for sale at London drugs and stuff, tempted to buy some just for the nostalgia
What about duel masters???I really liked that game
I believe they changed that to Kaijudo now. Same thing, different name. I used to play Duel Masters. I had bolshock Dragon and I had a blocker deck with diamond cutter so my blockers could also attack.
dexter morgan Just what Patrick Johnson said. It's actually more popular than MtG in Japan, and new sets are released regularly. It didn't see popularity in the west mainly due to its similarity to MtG. You can read more on it on the wiki, since my memory is failing me a bit.
Sakuretsu115 i never knew that
dexter morgan I still quite a few cards. not sure if anyone is gonna buy them tho :')
I think that Duel Masters never gained traction in the us because the anime they put out for the product was fucking stupid. It was anti advertisement. I believed that WotC just didnt feel like putting up with two different card games. When they switched it over to Kaijudo they somehow managed to market it event worse. The Kaijudo anime was an extra special level of dumb. Its a shame because Duel Masters is a fantastic game in terms of balance and mechanics.
L5R was a solid CCG, and the RPG side of the game was pretty solid too. The mechanics were a lot different and it was neat to have multiple ways to win and certain houses were better at winning in different ways. I think it boiled down to how the property was handled and I don't recall it having the same large scaled events to grow the base as MTG did. Also when are you going to talk about OverPower? :D
Hey Rudy :-)
i found your chanel like two weeks ago, i already watched around 40 videos from you. Really like your attitude and the info you are giving us in the videos :-)
Especially because i want to get back to MTG, maing videos about it and reselling it as distributor in Czech republic (that is where i am from).
Keep up the good work ;) and take care :)
Really wish they'd print cards in czech.
Nathan Welch yeahhh!!! Just go on down to Sheboygan!! They will print you any whisker buskers for thyne cornhole
loved seeing you on the prof's debate show, rudy :)
great vid here too! love seeing these little lesser known products!
L5R did go for 20 years. it was the second ever CCG and it's great. It's hardly a "failed" CCG. it wasn't canceled, it was bought by another company. I wish it was more popular and Iv wish AEG had managed it better.
Did you ever buy into "Battle Cards"?
It was like a CCG where the cards you used had little 'scratch-off' circles so you could only use them once. And like the tomb raider game, they ran this big promotion where if you collected certain treasure cards and mailed them in or whatever you had a chance to win actual treasure? Or something? Good times.
I have a bunch of VS. system cards somewhere in a closet along with a few other dead games i believe. These kind of videos are always neat to see.
Bought a 5,000 card 5 rings collection last night for $35. Looking forward to learning how to play.
I used to pmay this weird CCG back in 94. I forget what it was called. It came with a tabletop creature zone and spell map with 10-15 spots you could place your cards. It was sort of like Othello in how you maneuvered your way on the playing map. I wish I could remember what the game was called
Glad to see your still increasing your position on The Pokémon sets, I think your pretty spot on with your timeframe as well. Glad to also see some different content was really excited for the first one you did and this one as well kinda helps chop up the mundane and gaps with in magic all together and also doing videos like this educates folks what to look for and what has been in the market, I remember Wyvrn (hope I spelled that correctly) and off the top of my head I can't think of the vampire game suddenly and those where flashes in the pan as well, I remember stocking these cards at the KB toys I worked for.
I've been selling cards since 1996 and I sold a little bit of everything even if it's something I know nothing about. What I heard about Dragon Ball Z not doing well is because they have many cards that can't be played. There are a lot of popular cards that required another card in order for it to be played. The problem was that other cards needed was never made and people got pissed and lost interest cause the next set and the next set didn't have those cards.
I would love to see a video on Decipher's Star Wars game.
I actually have some of those Tomb Raider cards. I forgot where I got them, but I found them while digging through old cards.
L5R is incredible. I wish more people played it too.
Which video would you recommend to watch to learn it? I've seen it before years ago in some shoppes in vegas.
I love this kind of stuff. Its like going into an old attic and discovering random shit. Great video series starting up here.
I know the troubles of finding old lost games, however I'm always trying to find one specific game to finish collections, however it's probably not gonna happen. I'm gonna keep looking though in hopes of one day completing the set.
For some reason this just popped up on my recommended videos....man did those tomb raider cards bring back memories. actually just found an old box of cards of mine from a kid and found a bunch of these tomb raider cards in it. As i kid I collected all card games and the tomb raider cards happened to be one of them lol. Never seen a booster box though. was cool to see that. thank you
I've got a sealed box (maybe 2) of Call of Cthulhu boosters. Know anything about that one?
Local small gaming store has a box of that Tomb Raider TCG that's been on the shelf for years. Was honestly excited to see them in the vid.
I played Panini's DBZ game, it was incredibly fun and did hold value pretty well, but the game was cancelled when Bandai refused to renew Panini's license because they wanted to create a Dragon Ball Super game in Japan, and didn't want to "dilute the market" with similar games.
Came across the channel and this video specific from a link in the L5R facebook page. Love your opinion the L5r CCG as for why it's gone, from what I can tell AEG wanted out of the CCG market. as since the sale of L5R they've also stopped with Doomtown I believe.
I loved the Austin Powers TCG. It was probably the most fun failure of a CCG I ever played.
Holy shit! RUDY! Back in 2005/2006 when DBZ was at it's height the Ultra Rare Goku was actually valued higher than an Unlimited Black Lotus! I still remember when DBZ made the biggest blunder a CCG could make which is change the back of the card and force people to play with opaque sleeves to hide the backs of the cards. All because they had to expand to GT. I could talk for hours about this game. I loved it, went to the World Champs at Gencon one year for it. Crazy! It was a great 1 vs 1 CCG back in the day. I had so much invested in it with promos and ultra rares and then it all fell apart. I still have all my decks and cards just cause it's not worth selling them for pennies of what I paid for them.
MtendoTheSkunk those 6/7 star cards lost value? I feel like they could have stabilized after it went out of print.
L5r didn't fail. AEG sold the rights and the game to fantasy flight games who decided to cancel it and are currently making a living card game version.
Player Delta ...look delta.."Alpha" Investments..ok?..jus saying..
😉lol jp bro
Panini majors in sports cards and just use their cocky arrogance from making a killing on the NBA,MLB,NFL and NHL and then bring it into a world of trading card games and knowingly knowing that these genre of cards will be complete shit and hold no value at all, they fucking still sell those boxes for $70-$100, that's just total fuckin arrogance.....
You should do one on the wheel of time trading card game I would like to see that👍👍👍 also great video rudy
legend of the five rings was really the best tcg ever, imo... magic is nice but this game was really brilliant
Something about a game that had several different ways of winning that did not involve completely destroying your opponent. It was also nice that winning the World championship effected the story of the game.
I purchased a box of L5R along with a few of the other 'failed' TCG's after Rudy's first video on the topic and I can't wait to play this game with a few friends! I remember it being pretty big for awhile but I seem to remember players getting upset about someting, but I don't remember what.
L5R was BY FAR the best multi player TCG ever made. We used to regularly have 6-8 player games which did require tweaking the rules slightly (we increased the honor required for an honor win to 40 for a typical game). This prevented the honor runners (Crane, Naga and Mantis) from getting an easy win via the Port Cash Machine (aka ATM) to buy characters for full price and still having the funds to equip them with gear.
@@charlesrosenberg8233 sounds good cant wait to play it.
It really is the game play was very strategic and dynamic. Played since obsidian.
It's why MTG, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon are still around after 25, 16 and 18(?) years later respectively. My current Yu-Gi-Oh cards binder has lost value since I put it together back in 2008 and left it be a couple years later, but I have a single card worth $400, so they still have plenty of value.
The expression "A fool and their money are soon parted" comes to mind when watching this.
I love dead card games. Really card games in general. I'm a collector. So I buy up just about any TCG, CCG I can. I just bought a booster box of TNBC off eBay last night. Love it. Thanks for giving me more ideas for dead sets to look into.
Any input in "marvels VS system" game? I cant find a definitive value for these. I'm pretty sure I have a deck of avengers.
i was a playtester and game developer for decipher when they were around, swtcg, sttcg, dothack, and the different variances between the old and the new games to bad they were still around. i loved my star trek tcg.
Where can I buy boxes full of sealed cards like this? I search on eBay I'm just seeing loose card bulks
There is a market for failed card games. Some are collectable and highly sought after.
Killa Watt such as?
Just search Star Wars CCG booster box on ebay high to low.
Heyo mister Rudy. I just wana say I pick up what your putting down. Im not a card collector. Honestly I have no clue how I got on your corner of TH-cam. Most of what you say I don't even grasp.
What I do know is your a damn fun entertaining man to listen to even if Im not interested in the subject.
MLB showdown was an awesome card game. I only got to play it a handful of times cuz I only knew one kid who played it. Man, that game was cool, collectible baseball cards that you could actually build a team and play a game was a genius idea, I wish they still printed it. I think some of the cards and sealed product still hold value.
My friend and I probably spend close to $1000 on the Score Dragon Ball Z cards when we were growing up. Between the two of us and spending that much money we had 4 ultra rares. Eventually I traded him my DBZ VHS collection (which wasn't much) for our combined collection. Fast forward to our mid-twenties I sold the cards to him for $20.
Tomb Raider is kind of fun and different... I say it plays more like a board game than a CCG. I did buy a few boxes just when the game tanked and was able to pick them up quite cheap. I even did one of my own videos on the game and was surprised how many people didn't even know it existed.
I played Star Wars ccg, MTG, Overpower, L5R, Star Trek ccg, etc, in the 90's. Still do with my brother. Also sometimes bust out 7th Sea, X-Files, WARS tcg! Love ccg's. MTG and SWCCG are my two all time favorites.
Yeah I remember the Tomb Raider game. I have a few of the starter decks and some sealed packs kicking around somewhere. PanZ died this year. Bandai who hold the rights to DBZ are coming out with a version of IC Cardass for North America, thus Panini halted their game. It had a pretty good following some real balance issues though. Which IT was just a rehash of ScoreZ from the early 2000's
5 years later and you've got 84K worth of Roaring Skies booster boxes. Nice investment!
I liked the nightmare before Christmas tcg. I bought a case of the main set for 72$ and the expansion boxes for 10$ each. It's got a good print run you get most of the rares from a box and you don't need for of for a deck
I wanna see you cover the game "Wyvern" in one of these failed TCG vids. I'm interested to see why you think it flopped.
From what I understand the DBZ TCG was doing well, but they had to stop production because of copyright issues with the new DB Super TCG coming out later this year
Where should I buy random booster boxes like these??????
L5R was a great game back in the day. I was sad to see that one fail! The table top game was also good.
Legend Of The Five Rings should not be called a failed trading card game, it have done something Magic will never do, they upgraded to LCG format to make the game more open to people.
Have do one of these for FAB and MetaPoo in about a year
L5R did manage to last 20 years? It was one of the 'class of 95'.
The problem is...it was much bigger in Europe and South America than North America.
A regionals in North America would pull 90-125 players where it was closer to 225 in South America and in and around the 425 player count in countries like France.
I will always love L5R because at it's height (2002-2005) that game paid my rent!, Trading, selling, speculating...hell there was a card I stock piled called Stormheart; I bought them for about $25 regular $35 foil a piece but when regionals hit sold them for $80 regular and $150 to $180 a pop for foils. It was beautiful!
I have so many L5R cards. I played the game for years. I'm looking forward to the Fantasy Flight LCG version of the game that's coming out at Gencon this year.
I don't know anything about those modern DBZ cards but I remember wanting vintage DBZ cards so badly as a kid in the 90s.
"L5R was acquired by Fantasy Flight Games in 2015." still going strong :-)
Rudy, here are your answers regarding the Dragon Ball Z TCG.
OK, so the DBZ game was a revitalization of the CCG that Score created back on the 2000's. As a seller for the Panini version on eBay, here's a few points I've made from my experience with the game.
1.) Selling. I can say that only a handful of people were active in selling on the secondary market. Aside from myself, I was competing with 3-4 others who would do mass openings to sell online. (Keep in mind that some people would still singles from time to time, but they would not become hardcore sellers.)
2.) Pricing. when the game first came out, I got a booster box for $65. If people were buying it for $70 or higher, they were looking in the wrong place. The last few sets started to sell for around $55 per box. It was only recently that the base set started rising in price because it was out of print after a 24 month run.
3.) Singles. There were many singles that were holding some value. generally, the ultra rares had a pull rate of 1 every other box, and usually one of the two UR cards were worth the price of the box alone. Then there were rares that would sell for $15-20 for a playset (DBZ playset is 3 copies, not 4.) Foil copies of the best rates would sell for the same price as a playset. My mass box openings always had me break even with the rares and Ur cards alone, then I'd sell foils and the bulk cards for profit.
4.) Printing. The reason the price tanked for the game is because Panini killed the game and turned off production about a month after the recent set came out. A lot of us sellers got burned on this, as it caused the prices to hit rock bottom. Panini claims it was because Bandai is making their own DBZ card game. However, the last set (Awakening) had weak cards and new Dragon Rares that took up an UR slot, but they were just certain characters reprinted in a new foil process (and worth as much as some rares.) They really dropped the ball on it. Everything up to that set was good.
The game is actually really fun to play. It mimics a fight, where "combat" each turn was the two characters using attack and defense cards, going back and forth like in a battle to jack eachother up. I'm sure there's TH-cam videos simplifying the game.
If you have any other questions, hit me up.
I used to buy tomb raider ccg packs at the flea market when I was little. I knew it was a card game, but I never learned how to play.
Rudy is there any type of special insurance that will include coverage of your TCG / Collectibles? Just curious in case of theft fire from home or storage unit?
Lord of The Rings tcg was one of my favorite when it came out with the movies.
the cards still worth a lot tho. they havent lost that much value for a dead mtg
Decipher made Star Trek, Star Wars and LOTR work as a CCG. Would love to see a video
where are you getting these 5 rigns booster boxes? I would love to buy a bunch.
I cant find any place to buy any fail trading card game booster boxes in bulk for 10-20ish i looked on ebay and amazon with no luck anyone have other websites that sell for cheap?
zach nigro check dacardworld ... they have dbz boxes at 19.99 as well as mlp and this 5 rings stuff
thanks man i just went on and they have a lot of product that's hard to find other places
I remember years back working for Pendence demoing the Alien Vs Predator CCG (Still an amazing game, with a crazy high secondary market) they tried to get me to demo Tomb Raider. That game died quicker then any game I remember. And they released expansions for it so fast it was mind boggling. Like the game came out, then a month later an expansion. Then two months and another expansion.
Loved Legend of the Five Rings since the beginning! But when you look at what happened with the companies shenanigans that pissed off stores, it explains why the game died off. Although it was starting to make a recovery when Fantasy flight bought them.
Star Trek CCG too!
Panini DBZ is a super-salty topic for me. We had such a healthy local scene and it was growing. The singles market was very healthy, the regional tournaments were decent sized, 300+ usually. It was a unique game(loved the score version too, which this obviously followed closely). Luckily, my local group is still active with DBZ. The devs of the game have continued to develop it and release new cards online for free!
Rudy if you didnt know there was a spinoff of Legend of the Five rings called Legend of the Burning Sands and those cards seems to be more expensive in ebay.
Check out Middle Earth the CCG by I.C.E. Enterprises. Its one of the best ccgs ever made and boxes sell on eBay for $100 easy. The reason its not in print anymore is because the companies licenses expired.
Chris Kimbrel That's the on I was thinking of through out this, really liked it.
Welverin which? LotBS or Middle Earth?
Oops, Middle Earth.
Do you have any Duel Masters boxes? I'm looking to pick up boxes from the English sets.
I played L5R off and on for YEARS since the 90's. I spent several years not playing any card games and when I decided to come back I was shocked L5R died. Good to hear the FFGs is rebooting it. I also played DBZ back when Score made the cards and played for the first 4-5 sets. When I came back I got the nostalgia bug and purchased a bunch of the very first set. I don't know much about Panini it seemed to me like a reboot? I played a little bit of Tomb Raider only because a friend of mine was really into it. It was okay. it it never really stuck. Thanks for this video Rudy it's a great trip back down memory lane.
loved seeing you in today's in response. great job buddy!!!
JJ Hernandez agreed..Rudy's my new mentor..he's taking me under his wing..he just doesn't know it yet..(I haven't told him cuz honestly,he's gunna have 2 wear pants around me)
Warlord CCG by AEG (again) or 7th Sea by also AEG where both amazing games that where killed off.
I just discovered your channel... What is the 2022 update on the Roaring Skies? Did you move them all or still sitting on them? From what I see they are up to over $500 a box and going up!
About midway through the video, just need to point out something about Panini DBZ: the reason they aren't making more is because Bandai's making a Dragonball Super TCG, and teven though the games are different, they don't want to flood the market with DBZ stuff. I'd argue that they should get their cards printed to the end of DBZ if that's really what's going on, but they are ending near the end of the Cell Saga and with a few movies, and it was the Buu Saga that kinda screwed up the balance of the Score DBZ game anyway, so I'm kind of OK with that. Just thought I'd like to note that Panini's game was actually decently popular (not huge by any means) and it's not ending because Panini's losing money on it.
hey I don't know if anyone can help me. I am looking for a card game that came out in 95-2002 range around the time of yugioh, (sorry for vague description) but it had typical elements (fire water plants and rocks) and monsters and items also I think they were called mages. any help would be awesome I think wizards of the coast had made it.
oh also the pictures were really cartoony not anime style but the big eyes.
Star Wars CCG boxes are jumping up in price like crazy!! Reflections one boxes I could find 85-95$ now they are 185$!! I said it in the last video. Any big Star War fans out there. Check out the 90's CCG game. The foils are amazing. Just it's fucking hard and time consuming to play. Happy hunting!
maybe the Thing With Panini is that here in europe they are best known for creating collectable Sticker Sets, often based on big Sports Events like the Football world Cup or famous movies, and unlike Trading cards those are very time sensitive so they only Print as much and as Long as relevant and then simply move on to the next Event, no Reprints, no prolonging shelf Life and no reason to Care for a secondary market. And I think this mentality still exists With their CCGs.