@@Yuri-gf6bw Edit, original was phrased badly. My old gpu could play games from before it’s time, during it’s time and after it’s time, at a playable fps, and I don’t think an RTX 4060 will be able to play games that come out even 3 years from now at native resolution, like old cards like the 980 and 1060 could. I expect that almost every game that comes out in the next 3 years (at least AAA games) will require upscaling or have it baked in and not optional.
YES! I'm going to buy a b580 regardless of reviews. The specs are very impressive for 250 bucks. We really need more competition in the gpu arena. I am hoping that the rdna4 cards from AMD can compete with Nvidia's offerings.
@@nismo2070 yeah intel should end the Nvidia and amd monopoly by bringing more competition in both prices and performance perspectives. worst case scenario intel joins the Monopoly 😭
@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty never owned one but i think ppl just exaggerated the driver problems resulting in failure to become a viable option even after fixings cuz ppl became paranoid abt the driver issues. which is really sad.
@@vyor8837basically devs try to make something new, and end up giving us a end product that instead just has photorealism but no defined artstyle. Also runs like actual sh*t on even midrange hardware without running the game at 720p or below like a high end xbox title or an early ps3 game because of nanite's overdraw and lumens reliance on tsr/upscaling methods that slap taa on the output image
when your up against the rx7600 and intel arc just doing arc things, nvidia just gave the bare minimum, why even try harder when competition is lacking.
@@256odeon it was honestly quite pleasant at the start but it got boring over time because yeah, it’s just battlefield without anything new added for a while
The 4060 didn’t just get a bad rep from being lackluster compared to previous x60 class cards, it’s also the fact that it was only 5-10% faster than the 3060 while having less vram. Mind you, the 3060 was even a bit dunked on for being only slightly faster than the 2060 super. At least it had a warmer welcome than the 4060ti, that card compared to the 3060ti cost $50+ more, was also only 5-10% faster, and only dropped the tdp to 170 watts from 200- at least the 4060 dropped the tdp on the 3060 from 170 watts to 115.
Oh yeah, that’s also true. Not only is the vram amount a limiting factor, but the vram bandwidth knocks performance down a few pegs even when it isn’t running out. It’s the reason why I HATE the 4060ti 16gb, with its 128bit bus.
@@redhoodedduke9967 i dont think the bit bus is 128bit, i remember being 96bit and the cache that takes the work to make the card not drop dead in performance
@@chiboy_speaks I've actually been surprised hearing prices of the 20 series, and 30 series launch prices, and you would swear by the way people talk about it, like it just started with the 40 series. I've also noticed the loudest complainers are often people who were never going to buy Nvidia anyways.
Conclusion , you need to produce an alternative.. Hurry we are waiting for you to start you company , organize production / marketing , sales,, OHHH dear is it a little more difficult that you current job cleaning toilets?
Same power draw, upscaling, frame generation and ray tracing, HDMI 2.1 and some other features. How is that less? I don't like their marketing schemes as much as the other guy but come on. Be real for a second
The card that seemed too replace the 1060 to me was the 1660ti & 1660 super. Those two cards are actually on my list to pickup and keep hopefully a EVGA variant or a good designed one.
Owner of a 1660 super right here since 2019, just get a Arc A580 instead, not only you get HW RT support but also AV1 encoding. Nvidia can go fkk itself with those prices.
If Nvidia just did the proper naming and called the 4060 the 4050 and priced it at $269 to compete with the RX 7600 with a $329 4060 Ti 16GB just called the 4060 to compete with the 7600 XT, Ada would have been a way less hated generation.
Nvidia has the mindshare and OEM contracts for the bulk of the PC market (50 and 60 cards), people would pay more for a worse video card than buy Radeon
I just upgraded from a GTX 1060 to an RTX 4060 It wasn't that great of an upgrade on the games that I already could play But some games that couldn't get a stable 30 fps at low with fsr2 now running at high settings at a very smooth 60 is great IMO. (TLOU, Alan Wake 2, Silent Hill 2)
@@leviathan5207 I bought a 4050, er, 4060 for my SFFPC build. There's still no guarantee for me that there will be ITX Battlemage cards. Even then, a B580 is gonna make a lot more heat than my 4060(190W vs 115W). Eh. I'm not expecting miracles, I'll just wait on B580, 5060, and 8600 to see what will be the next move.
While the 1060 6GB was & still is a great card, let us not forget the 1060 was also the start of NV playing games with suspect naming schemes on their mainstream gaming offerings. I know they played the same name but actually a worse card game before the 1060, but this was the first time they did it with such a beloved segment of thier product stack.
"i'm gonna compare these 2 cards performances, but i won't use the same games for both..." WTF is the point, then? Why not simply run the old games on the 4060 as well just like every PC gamer does when they upgrade their cards to see the differences?
Nvidia’s advertising for the GTX 1060 was “GTX 980 for all” and it was very similar in performance to the GTX 980 from prior gen, back then most 60 series cards where equivalent to the 70 or even 80 series of the previous generation, I remember the GTX 660 outperformed the GTX 580 that came out barley a year before the GTX 660
@@weltsiebenhundert imagine they made the RTX 4060 perform like a RTX 3080 or even 3070, that would be crazy but that was the norm for each generation 60 card back in the early to mid 2010s
Did you buy a bunch of old games in steam on black friday sales and had to make a video to justify all that purchase??😊😊😊 Great video and hope you do old cpu videos again. Miss those
The thing that most people who complain about the RTX 4060 is, that they tend to be people who live in the USA or other countries where power is cheap, OR they have enough money that saving money on electricity is not a serious enough issue. Thus why the vast majority of TH-camrs who do this for a living, never take it at all into consideration other than mentioning the lower power consumption. But if you live in a country where electricity is far more expensive or you simply barely manage to pay your bills, then getting the performance of a RTX4060 for 150W and lower, is a MAJOR thing. Also, many content creators tend to play at 1440p or 4K, and see the 1080p as a peasants' resolution. The other thing I "love" hearing them talk about is how nowdays even 60fps is not good enough and you have to have over 120 to be worth mentioning. Meh. This partly explains why the RTX 4060 is in the top 3 on the Steam Survey, as are other "low tier" GPUs. Many of these content creators (not all) have lost touch with reality. That's not to say that 8GB of VRAM was not a kick in the balls by Nvidia. Regarding games released around the RTX4060 which do not perform as well, comparatively speaking, as with those around the GTX1060...that has always been the case. There were always games which did not perform great with the lower or even mid tier of GPUs. Most famously perhaps, the original Crysis. The other thing that goes against current gen of GPUs, is the developers and publishers who rely on upscaling instead of any form of optimizations. Far more brute force is required now than it should. Taking into consideration that many of these very demanding games with terrible or lack of optimizations, are not THAT good looking either, should be eh taken into consideration. :) Good video.
if you ignore 2060 and 3060, the 4060 is actually in line with the xx60 series family with 110w tdp its obvious AMD is competing hard during the 2060 and 3060 era which is why Nvidia upgrade the tdp and vram
Literally expected you to turn into a Minisforum review halfway through. 😁 I had a 1060 6gb and it died so I bought a GTX 1650, roughly the same performance as a 1060 but more modern architecture.
Great video. Another comparison that you hunted at was the uplift over the previous generation. The 1060 6gb was the first 60 series card that took over the best overall title from the 970 before it. The 4060 is hardly better than the 3060. Your point about more ppl having 1440p screens is very true with many ppl having upgraded since the 1060 came out. Talking of the 1060 is still ok for a very budget rig. I recently bought a 4th rig that surprising had a z series motherboard so I got an i7-4770k and matched it with a 1060 6gb, its great playing older games like GTA5 and eSports titles. I'll be playing slightly newer games soon but I won't be going anywhere near the demanding '23 & '24 games :)
It looks even worse when you consider that back in 2016 AMD launched the RX 480 8GB for $229 (around $300 with 2024 inflation). It's been eight years and we are paying the same amount for a team green card with the same amount of ram as the 480 had. Admittedly 8GB was overkill back in 2016, especially for the RX 480 as it didn't really have the grunt for high res gaming, but man it was nice to know you wouldn't need to worry about it all being used. Nowadays many AAA need 8GB minimum!
Thanks for the video, just wanna mention that in some moments theres a weird buzzing sound appearing, my guess is that it has something to do with the mic. Can provide some timestamps if necessary to be more specific
I loved my 1060, one of the best cards ever made and lasted me a long time. Very disappointed that 7 years later the 4060 comes with just 2 GB more VRAM - LOL. NVIDIA has been very stingy on the VRAM, especially considering the new consoles have around 12GB VRAM useable, it's unacceptable that a 4060 is being outperformed by these VRAM limitations. Great comparison by the way - I was expecting just each game compared in FPS, but by using games at the time it was released it really did show that despite 7 years forward, the 4060 is still slightly underperforming compared to the 1060. While I agree that the margins were closer than expected, I also think as more games get released over the next few years, the 4060's 8GB VRAM is seriously going to hinder it and make it a very weak card.
I'm currently running a 1060 6GB + Ryzen 2600, and it can handle most things I throw at it at 1080p. I sold my 3070 Laptop and I've never been happier using my old rig than I am now. I didn't need the crazy performance for what my usecase was. It's also crazy efficient usually running at 60-80 watts (MSI Afterburner) and 63C at most, while also being insanely quiet at 100% load. Long live the 1060 6GB you amazing piece of hardware.
Same, Ryzen 5600X + 1060 6GB and still good with almost everything at 1080p high settings, for the most demanding games i use FSR3 options, either as ingame or via mods.
Assuming you have a half decent motherboard, then you could chuck in a Ryzen 7 5700x3d or 5800x3d to squeeze the last drips of performance out of your 1060 (depending on the game ofc). Even a 5600x would be a worth while upgrade over your 2600 nowadays. AM4 is a wonderful thing indeed.
There is one more angle on the xx6x cards. There is a low profile edition of the 4060. The best we got in the 10xx generation was a 1050Ti (which wasn't even in stock after a year, I ordered one and was shipped a 1050). And the 1650 low profile which came later still wasn't up to the level of the 1060 6GB.
I have a 3060ti in one of my rigs. I would consider the rtx 4060 a downgrade from that. The 40 series relies heavily on frame gen software to compensate for the nerfed hardware. I really don't care for ray/path tracing, I just want an affordable gpu that can do 60+fps at 4k. I am getting 70-80fps at 4k in CP2077 with ray-tracing disabled. I can still get 30-40ish with rt on low, but it's just not worth the visuals.
The problem with the comparison is that the 4060 8GB is more comparable to the 1060 3GB and the 4060ti 8GB would be the 1060 6GB equivalent model for model... Its weird though because the 1060ti never existed, but the 10-series did have the 1070ti and 1080ti. Further complicating this analysis is that the 1060 5GB exists, a chinese exclusive.
I'd really enjoye a series like "how it aged", for example you take 1060 vs 580 and test it with newer and newer games until it's not enjoyable on both of them, then you compare which one found out a better but after time.
Intel compared the new Battlemage cards with the 1060, which is the 11th most used gpu still in certain circles. Can't believe so many people are still using these cards...
Nah specifically the best GTX 1060's where the dual fan versions like the EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SSC or FTW models....plain and simple. Those single fan versions would throttle like a maniac due to poor cooling and usually peoples bad PC case choices trying to be edgy little edgelords....
I think its insane that companys sell single fan models for cards above 75w. That being said I own a triple fan RX 6500 XT so maybe i'm a bit on the extreme end of wanting a quiet/cool GPU
My 5700xt is still doing a grand ol Job- got it new before the big shortage. It'll be nice to upgrade but it's still a great card. You can get one or the the nvidia equivilant 1080ti for around 120-170 these Days depending on how patient you are- used, of course. I've never ran a video Card half this long without upgrading. Going for a 7800xt or something like that depending on when I buy- another Year or Two most likely.
@@BonusCrook That's one of the cards on my list of considerations if I were to buy Today, I'm glad they released it World-Wide rather than keeping it China only.
surprised mirrors edge catalyst isnt covered for these older cards. it was a fairly intensive game for 2016 standards, struggling to hit a solid 50fps on my 5700xt at 1080p maxed out
This is a very interesting way of comparing a new and old card. It really puts another perspective on things. I was expecting the 1060 to be much better. And 4060 doesn’t come off as that bad. Although the price is definitely the issue. During BF you could find one for 2999 here which is 215 pounds at the moment. Including our 25% VAT. I think that is fairly good these days. Of course the 1060 could be found for much cheaper here but that’s only because the Krona was more valuable back then. I paid 3999 for a 1070 and I think the 1060 was 2499kr.
they hate DLSS, while it give better frame times, more fps, while the image have the same quality. i dont understand that thing about "fake frame, fake fps".
Same with the 3060 12GB. Lots of people shit on it but its running every game I've wanted to play new and old at 1440p 60-144 fps high-ultra settings. I have to seriously try to get more than 8gb of vram used usually about 6-8 in most games. Pretty good IMO for what was a $300 ish card. Me wanting to upgrade at this time is just pure greed and not for any real reason.
@@silvioantonio6952 i would never call DLSS the same quality but depending on the framerate increase i think it's good enough to be worth using in the real world. framegen seems a lot more suspicious as a make number go up without actually doing any good setting
Video just started but my first question: why no 3060 lol Edit: solid video so far. He just started talking about the 4060 being more powerful than the 1060
I still dont understand why people from all things, fix on the name of the card, it could be 4050, 4050ti, 42069, ryzen 4070, the name isnt the problem, the price is. Look at 3050, the card have a price problem, not naming.
I recently upgraded my 3060 to a 4070 I didnt need to upgrade but the deal on the 4070 was really good it was £299.99 during a cyber monday flash sale at ccl.
UE5 games are just so ugly with their ghosting and smearing. If a game requires DLSS or FSR to be playable, then the game is broken. Same with frame generation. Which those techs just make the smearing and ghosting that already exists in most UE5 games even worse. So gross.
Is it just me or should Iceberg Tech review the new Intel Arc even though his motto is "Todays games, yesterday hardware" I feel like it would be interesting to compare them to 5700 XT's and RTX 3070's and other popular GPU's that aren't current gen.
Just reminding us how publishers have seemed to settle for poor optimisation slop in more modern games. Yes, the 4060 is a sub-standard card - but recent releases have been a real poorly optimised mess.
It would have been more comparable to compare say the 1060 on the top 10 most popular games of 2017, and then 4060 on the top 10 most popular games of 2023. There's no way the 1060 can actually be compared to 4060 even when you try and factor in cheap used prices.
I had a GTX 970 4GB around that era, and it ran everything just fine at 1080p. The 1060 3GB performed about the same, but had 1GB less. The 1060 6GB had 2GB more, and 10% more performance than the previous generation 970. Good card! The 4060, however, launched with the same 8GB of the 3070, and 80% the performance. Not even the 4060 Ti matches the damn 3070! Even the 3060 Ti is about 10% faster than the 4060. Very disappointing card. It's not what we should expect from a new generation at all.
The audacity for the 4060 to be the same price as a 6750 XT just shows how bad Nvidia is at the low end and mid range market. Heck even used 3080s are around 300-400 and they are like 50% more performance than a 4060 or 4060 Ti.
Multiple generations later we get an additional 2GB of VRAM. How generous.
Thank you Jensen!
Both cards were marketed for 1080p gaming.
@@DarkSkyies 8gb aint enough for 1080p anymore, that and games being poorly optimized
@@Yuri-gf6bw Edit, original was phrased badly. My old gpu could play games from before it’s time, during it’s time and after it’s time, at a playable fps, and I don’t think an RTX 4060 will be able to play games that come out even 3 years from now at native resolution, like old cards like the 980 and 1060 could. I expect that almost every game that comes out in the next 3 years (at least AAA games) will require upscaling or have it baked in and not optional.
@@DarkSkyies Okay
Coughing baby vs A-10 Warthog
I'm betting on the baby
Nah he'd cough
A-10 is crap, more like coughing baby vs F-22
Back in the day the 1060 was the A-10 Warthog
@@yakumoyukari4405A-10 vs F22
man can't wait for the b580 and b570 video. i hope intel succeeds with their gpu.
B580 Battlemage for me, though I do wish there were more details on their higher end cards.
YES! I'm going to buy a b580 regardless of reviews. The specs are very impressive for 250 bucks. We really need more competition in the gpu arena. I am hoping that the rdna4 cards from AMD can compete with Nvidia's offerings.
A770 was damn impressive, here's hoping Battlemage kicks ass 😊
@@nismo2070 yeah intel should end the Nvidia and amd monopoly by bringing more competition in both prices and performance perspectives.
worst case scenario intel joins the Monopoly 😭
@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty never owned one but i think ppl just exaggerated the driver problems resulting in failure to become a viable option even after fixings cuz ppl became paranoid abt the driver issues. which is really sad.
okay but look at the poor 4060... it has to run UE5 games... i wouldn't even put my worst enemy on that engine
i agree
Right…
What makes UE5 bad?
@@vyor8837 devs are getting lazy and offer poor optimisation with ue5 I think
@@vyor8837basically devs try to make something new, and end up giving us a end product that instead just has photorealism but no defined artstyle. Also runs like actual sh*t on even midrange hardware without running the game at 720p or below like a high end xbox title or an early ps3 game because of nanite's overdraw and lumens reliance on tsr/upscaling methods that slap taa on the output image
The 4060 8gb has to be the biggest price anchoring product Nividia has released so far
Next up: 5060 8GB
when your up against the rx7600 and intel arc just doing arc things, nvidia just gave the bare minimum, why even try harder when competition is lacking.
@@gureguru4694 I came from a 7600 to my 4070 S TI and I absolutely loved it. Ran Helldivers at 1440p no issue
@@gureguru4694 price wise a 6750xt would wipe the floor with the 4060...
1:44 1060 6 GB VRAM yes, the 3 GB VRAM version not so much.
Hell let loose was oof vram
the 3gb is also a cut down die. its got less cores than the 6gb. its a classic Nvidia scam. they did it with the 3060 8gb too.
@@nathaniel1207 Yes, and 3050 6 GB version. It really is highly unethical, if not illegal, to give a clearly inferior product the same name.
last time I was this early battle bit was still relevant
lmao
Yeah I think it's totaly abandoned by now
oof
thats what happens when you make a ripoff and make it paid lmao
@@256odeon it was honestly quite pleasant at the start but it got boring over time because yeah, it’s just battlefield without anything new added for a while
The 4060 didn’t just get a bad rep from being lackluster compared to previous x60 class cards, it’s also the fact that it was only 5-10% faster than the 3060 while having less vram. Mind you, the 3060 was even a bit dunked on for being only slightly faster than the 2060 super.
At least it had a warmer welcome than the 4060ti, that card compared to the 3060ti cost $50+ more, was also only 5-10% faster, and only dropped the tdp to 170 watts from 200- at least the 4060 dropped the tdp on the 3060 from 170 watts to 115.
And came out when many ppl started looking at 1440p monitors...
Oh yeah, that’s also true. Not only is the vram amount a limiting factor, but the vram bandwidth knocks performance down a few pegs even when it isn’t running out. It’s the reason why I HATE the 4060ti 16gb, with its 128bit bus.
@@redhoodedduke9967 i dont think the bit bus is 128bit, i remember being 96bit and the cache that takes the work to make the card not drop dead in performance
@@eunaoseibrother467nah it is 128-bit, cant be 96-bit
@@BonusCrookA 96 bit bus is possible, but only for cards with 6 GB of VRAM. See example: RTX "3050" 6GB.
You mercilessly killed Jack, thanks, bro 😂
Conclusion - Nvidia is giving gamers less and charging more 👍👍
technically the 1060 was more expensive due to inflation 😢
@chiboy_speaks its not just nvidia. Its literally every corporation. Our entire economy is a scam unless you're rich
@@chiboy_speaks I've actually been surprised hearing prices of the 20 series, and 30 series launch prices, and you would swear by the way people talk about it, like it just started with the 40 series. I've also noticed the loudest complainers are often people who were never going to buy Nvidia anyways.
Conclusion , you need to produce an alternative.. Hurry we are waiting for you to start you company , organize production / marketing , sales,, OHHH dear is it a little more difficult that you current job cleaning toilets?
Same power draw, upscaling, frame generation and ray tracing, HDMI 2.1 and some other features. How is that less?
I don't like their marketing schemes as much as the other guy but come on. Be real for a second
The card that seemed too replace the 1060 to me was the 1660ti & 1660 super. Those two cards are actually on my list to pickup and keep hopefully a EVGA variant or a good designed one.
Yes those cards survived from 2018 to well now...
get a 1070 8 gig instead
I got my 1660 super pretty much brand new 100 bucks it has been a great investment so far
Just get an A580 if you're that pressed for cash. Getting a card, low-end as it may be, with no hardware RT support is a steep ask.
Owner of a 1660 super right here since 2019, just get a Arc A580 instead, not only you get HW RT support but also AV1 encoding.
Nvidia can go fkk itself with those prices.
If Nvidia just did the proper naming and called the 4060 the 4050 and priced it at $269 to compete with the RX 7600 with a $329 4060 Ti 16GB just called the 4060 to compete with the 7600 XT, Ada would have been a way less hated generation.
Nvidia has the mindshare and OEM contracts for the bulk of the PC market (50 and 60 cards), people would pay more for a worse video card than buy Radeon
$$$$$
Do you really think AMD would then not increase their prices?
Jack hill mentioned
and Jack run over
hi jack bye jack
The 4060 is an overpriced 4050
Exactly, if it was named 4050 and sold at a 220ish euro/dollar price, it would have been a very solid card. As it stands, it just isn't.
I just upgraded from a GTX 1060 to an RTX 4060
It wasn't that great of an upgrade on the games that I already could play
But some games that couldn't get a stable 30 fps at low with fsr2 now running at high settings at a very smooth 60 is great IMO.
(TLOU, Alan Wake 2, Silent Hill 2)
You probably should have waited for battlemage...
@@leviathan5207 I bought a 4050, er, 4060 for my SFFPC build. There's still no guarantee for me that there will be ITX Battlemage cards. Even then, a B580 is gonna make a lot more heat than my 4060(190W vs 115W). Eh. I'm not expecting miracles, I'll just wait on B580, 5060, and 8600 to see what will be the next move.
lol the spelling correction at 10:06. Rule Britannia!
The RTX 2060 is 60% faster than the 1060, the 4060 is 35% faster than the 2060 and 15% faster than the 3060.
True.. so you buy the 3060 12gb and tell NVidia to stuff their new cards.
Which is why the 3060 is the new 1060. Takes most of the performance from Turing and the VRAM Ampere gave it
@@user-yv2cz8oj1kbetter yet: you buy an AMD or Intel card so NVIDIA doesn't profit at all with their shitty overpriced cards
This is why I got 3060Ti. Always trust the Ti version.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1kyou don't get frame generation with 3060
loved the kryzzp reference with jack’s hill in GTA V
While the 1060 6GB was & still is a great card, let us not forget the 1060 was also the start of NV playing games with suspect naming schemes on their mainstream gaming offerings. I know they played the same name but actually a worse card game before the 1060, but this was the first time they did it with such a beloved segment of thier product stack.
"i'm gonna compare these 2 cards performances, but i won't use the same games for both..."
WTF is the point, then?
Why not simply run the old games on the 4060 as well just like every PC gamer does when they upgrade their cards to see the differences?
Nvidia’s advertising for the GTX 1060 was “GTX 980 for all” and it was very similar in performance to the GTX 980 from prior gen, back then most 60 series cards where equivalent to the 70 or even 80 series of the previous generation, I remember the GTX 660 outperformed the GTX 580 that came out barley a year before the GTX 660
The 10XX was too good - so nvidia changed course hard core
@@weltsiebenhundert imagine they made the RTX 4060 perform like a RTX 3080 or even 3070, that would be crazy but that was the norm for each generation 60 card back in the early to mid 2010s
nowdays the 4060 can't even outperform the 3060 ti, what a letdown!
Did you buy a bunch of old games in steam on black friday sales and had to make a video to justify all that purchase??😊😊😊
Great video and hope you do old cpu videos again. Miss those
Not quite, I bought an RTX 4060 and had to make a video to justify the purchase 🤣
18:07 Oh lord, the 4060 lost another 2gb or VRAM
Lol
4:40 you ran over Jack you monster 😢
Mfw Iceberg Tech makes a Kryzzp reference
1:55 "The 2060 was an RT card that can't RT"
Lmao
Excellent set of rules for the comparison.
The thing that most people who complain about the RTX 4060 is, that they tend to be people who live in the USA or other countries where power is cheap, OR they have enough money that saving money on electricity is not a serious enough issue. Thus why the vast majority of TH-camrs who do this for a living, never take it at all into consideration other than mentioning the lower power consumption.
But if you live in a country where electricity is far more expensive or you simply barely manage to pay your bills, then getting the performance of a RTX4060 for 150W and lower, is a MAJOR thing.
Also, many content creators tend to play at 1440p or 4K, and see the 1080p as a peasants' resolution.
The other thing I "love" hearing them talk about is how nowdays even 60fps is not good enough and you have to have over 120 to be worth mentioning.
Meh.
This partly explains why the RTX 4060 is in the top 3 on the Steam Survey, as are other "low tier" GPUs. Many of these content creators (not all) have lost touch with reality.
That's not to say that 8GB of VRAM was not a kick in the balls by Nvidia.
Regarding games released around the RTX4060 which do not perform as well, comparatively speaking, as with those around the GTX1060...that has always been the case.
There were always games which did not perform great with the lower or even mid tier of GPUs. Most famously perhaps, the original Crysis.
The other thing that goes against current gen of GPUs, is the developers and publishers who rely on upscaling instead of any form of optimizations. Far more brute force is required now than it should. Taking into consideration that many of these very demanding games with terrible or lack of optimizations, are not THAT good looking either, should be eh taken into consideration. :)
Good video.
It no longer makes sense to lend any credence to the "series" of graphics cards. Pay attention to price and performance, not the name/number.
This was a massacre both in how lackluster the 4060 is and how bad game optimization is nowdays
I think the 3060 should have been included also, perhaps the 1660/2060 for completion also.
*2 years and the RTX 4060 will be a 30fps only card that is abysmal* 😂
Sub 5000 dollars there is literally no reason to get a RTX 4000 card. AMD and Intel and even used RTX 3060s are your friend
Great video, Iceberg guy
The 4060 failed but so did the people who optimize those games.
Thank you Iceberg for giving prey some love, been working on 100%ing it recently.
if you ignore 2060 and 3060, the 4060 is actually in line with the xx60 series family with 110w tdp
its obvious AMD is competing hard during the 2060 and 3060 era which is why Nvidia upgrade the tdp and vram
Literally expected you to turn into a Minisforum review halfway through. 😁 I had a 1060 6gb and it died so I bought a GTX 1650, roughly the same performance as a 1060 but more modern architecture.
Great video.
Another comparison that you hunted at was the uplift over the previous generation. The 1060 6gb was the first 60 series card that took over the best overall title from the 970 before it. The 4060 is hardly better than the 3060.
Your point about more ppl having 1440p screens is very true with many ppl having upgraded since the 1060 came out.
Talking of the 1060 is still ok for a very budget rig. I recently bought a 4th rig that surprising had a z series motherboard so I got an i7-4770k and matched it with a 1060 6gb, its great playing older games like GTA5 and eSports titles. I'll be playing slightly newer games soon but I won't be going anywhere near the demanding '23 & '24 games :)
Only 2 more GB of vram between a 3 generation gap is pretty disappointing
Intel will destroy AMD and NVIDIA with Battlemage.
It looks even worse when you consider that back in 2016 AMD launched the RX 480 8GB for $229 (around $300 with 2024 inflation). It's been eight years and we are paying the same amount for a team green card with the same amount of ram as the 480 had.
Admittedly 8GB was overkill back in 2016, especially for the RX 480 as it didn't really have the grunt for high res gaming, but man it was nice to know you wouldn't need to worry about it all being used. Nowadays many AAA need 8GB minimum!
Thanks for the video, just wanna mention that in some moments theres a weird buzzing sound appearing, my guess is that it has something to do with the mic.
Can provide some timestamps if necessary to be more specific
I'd love to see a cost vs performance comparison between the real 3060 and the 4060
We had mid range 8gb gpus with RX 470 from AMD at the year 2016. And we still has the same amount while regular ram getting doubled. Thanks, I guess?
"Around Jack's Hill" OMG zwormz is such a legend
I loved my 1060, one of the best cards ever made and lasted me a long time. Very disappointed that 7 years later the 4060 comes with just 2 GB more VRAM - LOL. NVIDIA has been very stingy on the VRAM, especially considering the new consoles have around 12GB VRAM useable, it's unacceptable that a 4060 is being outperformed by these VRAM limitations.
Great comparison by the way - I was expecting just each game compared in FPS, but by using games at the time it was released it really did show that despite 7 years forward, the 4060 is still slightly underperforming compared to the 1060. While I agree that the margins were closer than expected, I also think as more games get released over the next few years, the 4060's 8GB VRAM is seriously going to hinder it and make it a very weak card.
I'm currently running a 1060 6GB + Ryzen 2600, and it can handle most things I throw at it at 1080p. I sold my 3070 Laptop and I've never been happier using my old rig than I am now. I didn't need the crazy performance for what my usecase was. It's also crazy efficient usually running at 60-80 watts (MSI Afterburner) and 63C at most, while also being insanely quiet at 100% load. Long live the 1060 6GB you amazing piece of hardware.
Same, Ryzen 5600X + 1060 6GB and still good with almost everything at 1080p high settings, for the most demanding games i use FSR3 options, either as ingame or via mods.
Yea gaming laptops are garbage
Assuming you have a half decent motherboard, then you could chuck in a Ryzen 7 5700x3d or 5800x3d to squeeze the last drips of performance out of your 1060 (depending on the game ofc). Even a 5600x would be a worth while upgrade over your 2600 nowadays. AM4 is a wonderful thing indeed.
Id like to see then compared to their respective generations 80 class card. See which one has more performance relative to flagship.
My 1st gpu i bought and welcome to PC builds i fell into the naming scheme, and that's how i end up with a 3GB card
2010: gtx 460 768MB-1gb vram(200/230 $ msrp,price not adjusted), 2016: gtx 1060 3-6gb vram, 2022: rtx 4060 8gb vram, 6 years from 460 to 1060
4:30 rockstar isnt even hiding it anymore
There is one more angle on the xx6x cards. There is a low profile edition of the 4060. The best we got in the 10xx generation was a 1050Ti (which wasn't even in stock after a year, I ordered one and was shipped a 1050). And the 1650 low profile which came later still wasn't up to the level of the 1060 6GB.
I have a 3060ti in one of my rigs. I would consider the rtx 4060 a downgrade from that. The 40 series relies heavily on frame gen software to compensate for the nerfed hardware. I really don't care for ray/path tracing, I just want an affordable gpu that can do 60+fps at 4k. I am getting 70-80fps at 4k in CP2077 with ray-tracing disabled. I can still get 30-40ish with rt on low, but it's just not worth the visuals.
4:40 bro knows kryzzpy's audience!
Did you make a mistake in the VRAM graph at the end?
The problem with the comparison is that the 4060 8GB is more comparable to the 1060 3GB and the 4060ti 8GB would be the 1060 6GB equivalent model for model... Its weird though because the 1060ti never existed, but the 10-series did have the 1070ti and 1080ti. Further complicating this analysis is that the 1060 5GB exists, a chinese exclusive.
GTX>RTX
RTX has better Ai: Artificial Inflation
Great Timing, i was just thinking of Upgrading to GTX 1060 from 1050 ti
quick question, is the 1060 card equiped with an exaust fan? or are the blades just shaped weird?
EVGA cards bro, never saw one ? they were legendary. the fan design was unic, and no, it was not a exaust.
@ I’m aware of evga, I just noticed the unique fan and thought it looked like a reverse one 😊
Cyberpunk, Alan wake 2 and Avatar frontiers of Pandora are still in the 4060s era!
what about the 1660, super, and TI?
I'd really enjoye a series like "how it aged", for example you take 1060 vs 580 and test it with newer and newer games until it's not enjoyable on both of them, then you compare which one found out a better but after time.
Legendary vs anti consumer nightmare xD
Also, is my 3060Ti going to be fine for another year or 2 at 1080-1440p?
It depends
@@BonusCrook On?
On your expectations @@J0elPeters
Most likely
@@J0elPeters depends on what games you play, although I doubt 1080p will be an issue.
Intel compared the new Battlemage cards with the 1060, which is the 11th most used gpu still in certain circles. Can't believe so many people are still using these cards...
Nah specifically the best GTX 1060's where the dual fan versions like the EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SSC or FTW models....plain and simple. Those single fan versions would throttle like a maniac due to poor cooling and usually peoples bad PC case choices trying to be edgy little edgelords....
I think its insane that companys sell single fan models for cards above 75w. That being said I own a triple fan RX 6500 XT so maybe i'm a bit on the extreme end of wanting a quiet/cool GPU
@9:10 that's saying something the 7500f is about as powerful as the best non x3d chips of previous generation.
Nice comparison... reading between the lines, I think you SLIGHTLY frown upon the existence of the RTX 4060..?
My 5700xt is still doing a grand ol Job- got it new before the big shortage. It'll be nice to upgrade but it's still a great card. You can get one or the the nvidia equivilant 1080ti for around 120-170 these Days depending on how patient you are- used, of course. I've never ran a video Card half this long without upgrading. Going for a 7800xt or something like that depending on when I buy- another Year or Two most likely.
7900GRE is unbelievably fast if you raise the ram frequency
@@BonusCrook That's one of the cards on my list of considerations if I were to buy Today, I'm glad they released it World-Wide rather than keeping it China only.
@@BonusCrook its already stupid fast without it. so as long as you get a board partner model. mine clocks to over 2600mhz by default in some games.
Nvidia was crafty in re-releasing the 3060, with only 8GB.
If you are hitting up Ebay, get the 12 GB if you have a choice.
Owner of a Legion 5 Laptop, with a RTX 2060 (115w), and a Desktop featuring a 3060ti.
Love both units.
surprised mirrors edge catalyst isnt covered for these older cards. it was a fairly intensive game for 2016 standards, struggling to hit a solid 50fps on my 5700xt at 1080p maxed out
This is a very interesting way of comparing a new and old card. It really puts another perspective on things. I was expecting the 1060 to be much better. And 4060 doesn’t come off as that bad. Although the price is definitely the issue. During BF you could find one for 2999 here which is 215 pounds at the moment. Including our 25% VAT. I think that is fairly good these days. Of course the 1060 could be found for much cheaper here but that’s only because the Krona was more valuable back then. I paid 3999 for a 1070 and I think the 1060 was 2499kr.
Still rocking a 1060 6gb here. Its definetely old but still does an ok job with modest demanding games
I'm still rocking a 1060 6GB @ 1440p. It's going ok if you're playing normal multplayer games and not Cyberpunk at high
Imo, you should have added Arma 3 max draw distance. It will give an insight into raw power comparison
What about the Titan XP vs the 4090?
Enthusiasts hate the 4060 meanwhile people that play games are perfectly fine with it. Sure it could be a better card but it’s not too bad.
they hate DLSS, while it give better frame times, more fps, while the image have the same quality. i dont understand that thing about "fake frame, fake fps".
@@silvioantonio6952the issue comes when devs use that to optimize their games and you can’t play native
Same with the 3060 12GB. Lots of people shit on it but its running every game I've wanted to play new and old at 1440p 60-144 fps high-ultra settings. I have to seriously try to get more than 8gb of vram used usually about 6-8 in most games. Pretty good IMO for what was a $300 ish card. Me wanting to upgrade at this time is just pure greed and not for any real reason.
@@silvioantonio6952 i would never call DLSS the same quality but depending on the framerate increase i think it's good enough to be worth using in the real world.
framegen seems a lot more suspicious as a make number go up without actually doing any good setting
It's not bad, but it should have been far better. Just because it functions doesn't mean we can't talk about its shortcomings.
The Starfield segment isn't 4060's fault.
Video just started but my first question: why no 3060 lol
Edit: solid video so far. He just started talking about the 4060 being more powerful than the 1060
I still dont understand why people from all things, fix on the name of the card, it could be 4050, 4050ti, 42069, ryzen 4070, the name isnt the problem, the price is. Look at 3050, the card have a price problem, not naming.
We all know 4050 is not bad card, but named wrongly 4060 and priced about double as needed to be to be reasonable to buy...
would be a really good idea if you do the same with 2 remaining cards the 2060 & 3060
Would have been cool to see the 4060Ti in this list. Many said the 4060Ti was the real 4060.
Do the benchmark result side by side easier to compare
I recently upgraded my 3060 to a 4070 I didnt need to upgrade but the deal on the 4070 was really good it was £299.99 during a cyber monday flash sale at ccl.
Great video! My first love the 1060
I don't even need to watch the video to know, that it'll be disappointingly close for multiple generations.
If not for me upgrading to a 1440p ultrawide monitor last year, I would've still used my 1060 6GB till today which I had since buying it new in 2017
UE5 games are just so ugly with their ghosting and smearing. If a game requires DLSS or FSR to be playable, then the game is broken. Same with frame generation. Which those techs just make the smearing and ghosting that already exists in most UE5 games even worse. So gross.
my 1070-Ti still chugging along in Staklker 2..
The 1060 was an AWESOME VALUE card during its time. But it was NEVER designed for 1440p. 😮
Is it just me or should Iceberg Tech review the new Intel Arc even though his motto is "Todays games, yesterday hardware" I feel like it would be interesting to compare them to 5700 XT's and RTX 3070's and other popular GPU's that aren't current gen.
Mad max the game is gold. Good driving physics. Well optimized. A bit derrivitie but its the formula at its best.
3060Ti & 2060 Super rise up
This is close to home for me. I still have a 1060 6gb.
Just reminding us how publishers have seemed to settle for poor optimisation slop in more modern games. Yes, the 4060 is a sub-standard card - but recent releases have been a real poorly optimised mess.
don't forget companies gimping drivers for old cards to sell us the new ones. 1080ti and 5700xt are good examples
Neither have support for dx 12.1 or mesh shaders I think
It would have been more comparable to compare say the 1060 on the top 10 most popular games of 2017, and then 4060 on the top 10 most popular games of 2023.
There's no way the 1060 can actually be compared to 4060 even when you try and factor in cheap used prices.
I had a GTX 970 4GB around that era, and it ran everything just fine at 1080p. The 1060 3GB performed about the same, but had 1GB less. The 1060 6GB had 2GB more, and 10% more performance than the previous generation 970. Good card!
The 4060, however, launched with the same 8GB of the 3070, and 80% the performance. Not even the 4060 Ti matches the damn 3070! Even the 3060 Ti is about 10% faster than the 4060. Very disappointing card. It's not what we should expect from a new generation at all.
The audacity for the 4060 to be the same price as a 6750 XT just shows how bad Nvidia is at the low end and mid range market. Heck even used 3080s are around 300-400 and they are like 50% more performance than a 4060 or 4060 Ti.
Compare upper 1060 tier, with a low RTX 4060 series tier. Use the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB.
Still running a 1060 6GB and hesitant to upgrade lol.